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Baraq U Bama is Satan according to The Hebrew Old Testament and Luke 10:18.

 
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first,new testament is not written 6000 yrs ago...parts of it can be dated to 1st ad,but certainly not 6000 yrs ago.
Second,and most important,if you understand that Jesus spake truth,why are you a muslim,and why you deny God?
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Any thoughts?
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So, according to your theory, when will we be in the midst or middle of Daniel's "week" (7 year tribulation period)?

And at what date did the tribulation begin in 2009?
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More importantly, how would a black Gentile become the political and spiritual leader of Israel? Is Obama from the house of David?

Obama won't be the anti-Christ. I feel that the AC won't show up for a couple hundred years. It's currently the year 5772 on the Jewish calendar. AC will sign the treaty with Isreal in 5993, and Jesus will return in the Jewish year 6000. A thousand years is as a day, (2 Peter 3:8) and there were six days of creation. The Millenium will be the "day" of rest.
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actually there is evidence that the israeli calender is offdate a couple hundred years...so...
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OP FAILS HARDCORE.

YOU HAVE TO BE 35 TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT.

YOU'RE ONLY 23. GTFO!!
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Isaiah 14:14 : I beheld Satan as lightning from the heavens.

Actually Isaiah 14:14 reads;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
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Isaiah 14:14 : I beheld Satan as lightning from the heavens.

Actually Isaiah 14:14 reads;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
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Yup. The exact wording of the times would have been:

Baraq Min-Hashamayim
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Alright you say that you're muslim, that you don't believe in hell, that satan is a mind-set, and therefore there is no satan, hell or demons. However then you go on to reference the bible. Also, the belief in Jinn, is core to Islam. Jinn are demons. I agree with your point on there being spiritual islam and political islam, however i must say, Satan is not just a mind set. He is a living being with servants just as God is. God has his angels and his servants on earth, Satan has his. Do not be deceived my friend. Hell is real. And music such as D12 and AC/DC comes from it.
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"I am running for President of The United States at age 23."

"Iran does not believe in a real democracy."

"You need to hear my story. Hollywood should make a movie about the jewish with Tattoos and a Purple hoodie running around the alleys of Cairo. My story should be bought, and I should not be broke and homeless, but times are hard financially for America."


There is no doubt in my mind that you are of Jewish descent. That is the only worthwhile piece of information I can gather from this thread.
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[link to www.truthorfiction.com]

To get some insight into these claims, TruthOrFiction.com contacted Dr. Tom Finley, Professor of Old Testament and Semitics and Chair, Old Testament and Semitics Department at Talbot Theological Seminary in La Mirada , California . Let’s look at them one at a time:

Dr. Finley says that most scholars agree that Jesus probably spoke and taught in Aramaic, but that there is debate on that topic.

He did point out that it is not accurate to say that “Aramaic is the most ancient form of Hebrew?” Not at all. According to Dr. Finley, Hebrew and Aramaic are two distinct languages, although closely related.

He confirmed that the word for lightning is indeed “baraq” in Hebrew. In Aramaic it’s “beraq.”

Dr. Finley said that in Hebrew "bama" means "back," "hill," or "high place, place of worship" (Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament). In Isaiah 14:14 the term refers to "the heights of the clouds" (KJV) or "the back of a cloud" (a Jewish translation called Tanakh) or "the tops of the clouds" (NRSV).

However, he said that the normal word for "heavens" in Hebrew is "shamayim," and that is the word used in Isaiah 14:12 ("How you are fallen from heaven.")

“Even if we granted that bama could mean "heaven" by itself (that is, without adding a word like "clouds" after it),” Dr. Finley said, “the combination that the video makes, "baraq u/o bama," could only mean "lightning and heaven," not "lightning from heaven" or "the heights").

Further, according to Dr. Finley, “What Jesus said in Luke 10:18 was, in the KJV, "Satan as lightning fall from heaven." If he spoke it in Aramaic, then "from heaven" should be "min shemayya." If Hebrew it should be "mehashamayim." It is impossible that he would have used "bama" for "heaven," whether in Hebrew or Aramaic. In Greek it is "ek tou ouranou." And of course this doesn't address how to account for "and" in the alleged name "baraq u/o bama."

Dr. Finley concluded, “Someone has been playing around with these languages in a rather silly way.”
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less than 50% of this article:

[link to www.truthorfiction.com]

To get some insight into these claims, TruthOrFiction.com contacted Dr. Tom Finley, Professor of Old Testament and Semitics and Chair, Old Testament and Semitics Department at Talbot Theological Seminary in La Mirada , California . Let’s look at them one at a time:

Dr. Finley says that most scholars agree that Jesus probably spoke and taught in Aramaic, but that there is debate on that topic.

He did point out that it is not accurate to say that “Aramaic is the most ancient form of Hebrew?” Not at all. According to Dr. Finley, Hebrew and Aramaic are two distinct languages, although closely related.

He confirmed that the word for lightning is indeed “baraq” in Hebrew. In Aramaic it’s “beraq.”

Dr. Finley said that in Hebrew "bama" means "back," "hill," or "high place, place of worship" (Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament). In Isaiah 14:14 the term refers to "the heights of the clouds" (KJV) or "the back of a cloud" (a Jewish translation called Tanakh) or "the tops of the clouds" (NRSV).

However, he said that the normal word for "heavens" in Hebrew is "shamayim," and that is the word used in Isaiah 14:12 ("How you are fallen from heaven.")

“Even if we granted that bama could mean "heaven" by itself (that is, without adding a word like "clouds" after it),” Dr. Finley said, “the combination that the video makes, "baraq u/o bama," could only mean "lightning and heaven," not "lightning from heaven" or "the heights").

Further, according to Dr. Finley, “What Jesus said in Luke 10:18 was, in the KJV, "Satan as lightning fall from heaven." If he spoke it in Aramaic, then "from heaven" should be "min shemayya." If Hebrew it should be "mehashamayim." It is impossible that he would have used "bama" for "heaven," whether in Hebrew or Aramaic. In Greek it is "ek tou ouranou." And of course this doesn't address how to account for "and" in the alleged name "baraq u/o bama."

Dr. Finley concluded, “Someone has been playing around with these languages in a rather silly way.”
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less than 50% of this article:

[link to www.truthorfiction.com]

To get some insight into these claims, TruthOrFiction.com contacted Dr. Tom Finley, Professor of Old Testament and Semitics and Chair, Old Testament and Semitics Department at Talbot Theological Seminary in La Mirada , California . Let’s look at them one at a time:

Dr. Finley says that most scholars agree that Jesus probably spoke and taught in Aramaic, but that there is debate on that topic.

He did point out that it is not accurate to say that “Aramaic is the most ancient form of Hebrew?” Not at all. According to Dr. Finley, Hebrew and Aramaic are two distinct languages, although closely related.

He confirmed that the word for lightning is indeed “baraq” in Hebrew. In Aramaic it’s “beraq.”

Dr. Finley said that in Hebrew "bama" means "back," "hill," or "high place, place of worship" (Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament). In Isaiah 14:14 the term refers to "the heights of the clouds" (KJV) or "the back of a cloud" (a Jewish translation called Tanakh) or "the tops of the clouds" (NRSV).

However, he said that the normal word for "heavens" in Hebrew is "shamayim," and that is the word used in Isaiah 14:12 ("How you are fallen from heaven.")

“Even if we granted that bama could mean "heaven" by itself (that is, without adding a word like "clouds" after it),” Dr. Finley said, “the combination that the video makes, "baraq u/o bama," could only mean "lightning and heaven," not "lightning from heaven" or "the heights").

Further, according to Dr. Finley, “What Jesus said in Luke 10:18 was, in the KJV, "Satan as lightning fall from heaven." If he spoke it in Aramaic, then "from heaven" should be "min shemayya." If Hebrew it should be "mehashamayim." It is impossible that he would have used "bama" for "heaven," whether in Hebrew or Aramaic. In Greek it is "ek tou ouranou." And of course this doesn't address how to account for "and" in the alleged name "baraq u/o bama."

Dr. Finley concluded, “Someone has been playing around with these languages in a rather silly way.”
 Quoting: Anubis


clappa
 Quoting: Charlie the Choo-Choo


Dr. Finley is correct.
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Only the Wise will know...
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Isaiah 14:14 : I beheld Satan as lightning from the heavens.

In ancient hebrew, "lightning from the heavens" is pronounced BARAQ U BAMA.


Do the research for yourself. Seriously, the Bible says:

I beheld Satan as Baraq U Bama.

...

What do Mormons believe? Jesus came to America.

I am back #kingofthejews.
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Isaiah 14:14 : I beheld Satan as lightning from the heavens.

In ancient hebrew, "lightning from the heavens" is pronounced BARAQ U BAMA.


Do the research for yourself. Seriously, the Bible says:

I beheld Satan as Baraq U Bama.

...

What do Mormons believe? Jesus came to America.

I am back #kingofthejews.
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Gee I wonder if the BIG O is his real name?

Yes in the Strongs the word "Baraq" is for lightning, but is NOT the same as 796 of the Strongs.

Christ said I beheld "Satan".
The problem is this..
Most are taught that it will be some "human" being the end time anti-christ.
Huge mistake in that teachings.
And this is why there is so much confusion.
Since I tell everyone to LISTEN TO JESUS ONLY, not some man, including me in that, TRUST JESUS's Words ONLY.
SATAN is the character that we are to watch for, NOT SOME MAN OR HUMAN.

This is why the whole world will worship Satan because of this mis-teachings.
Satan will land 7 miles north of MT. Zion.
And where is the "angels" that Satan will bring with him if the Big O is the real end time anti-christ???????

Show me the angels! After all does not Rev. 12 us that Satan will come with his angels???????
Revie 12:9 Where are those angels folks???????

Show me the Big O angels???????

I can't wait for the big O to be removed from office so I can come back to threads like this and show everyone that this is NOT the end time anti-christ.
How about the word anti-pas ????????

Satan has a shining body, and will have a bright light around him an aura with multi-colors around him.(Rainbow effect. Satan mimics God. God made Satan in the full pattern. Meaning? He does have a rainbow around him like God does.... That is why we have the "rainbow" and that is why even in Eze. chapter 1:26,27,28 is the appearance of God. Pay attention to the word "bow" like the "rainbow" that Noah was given as a sign and a promise from God.
Does the big O?

NO!

Come on folks, wake up!

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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609



[link to mama.indstate.edu]

i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609


Wow, what a deception you just gave. Satan does not exist! I guess you have not learned what happens at the end of the millennium and how he will be released one more time to see how many will be pulled away from Christ at that time.

Satan has been in the pit since Christ said "Get thee behind me Satan" in Mat. chapter 4.
Rev. chapter 9 even tells us who is the one in the pit and who will deceive the whole world by his coming.
Satan will come with 7000 bad but beautiful angels.
Christ will come with 10,000 of the Saints Jude 14.
Just remember those numbers and their difference's.

You sound like a millenniumist type believer. They think we are already in the millennium.
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609



[link to mama.indstate.edu]

i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
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This part is so far off base that it is not funny.
"The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras."
Ever read Eze. chapter 8? See the word Tammuz?
After you get done reading that, go read Eze. chapter 9. God destroys those playing with Satan's bride "ISHTAR" and Tammuz. (Note: Act. 12:4 the word Easter is not in the original writings. It is suppose to be passover as we say it in the English language. Easter is Satan's bride.)
Want more proof? Jer. chapter 44. Pay attention starting at verse 17 to the end of that book.
Next you will be telling me that Mal. chapter 4:2 is the "Sun" god. NOPE, it is hidden manna.
Isaiah 24:23, read it.
The children of light are just that. (James 1:7) The children of darkness are those that follow Satan and of course are the "KENITES", the real tares!

There is even a prophecy by God Himself in Numbers 24 pertaining this this last generation about those KENITES, the seed line of Satan. And they rule the world today!
YEP still here!

Hidden manna = Rev. 2:17.
The manna from Heaven John chapter 6. Pay attention to John 6:48 to 51.
Yes, Jesus is the "hidden manna" giver. Not only does it mean that, it means that Jesus is the only one for salvation, that door to heaven.

All Hidden manna is given by Christ in symbolic's and other means.
How about a Hebraism? Ever seen one in the bible?
I do all over.
Here is one for ya.
Gen. 9:22..... "saw thy fathers nakeness is a Hebraism" my two witness verse's are in Lev. 18:8 and 20:11 per what is written on how to rightly divide the Word that "formula" found in 2 Cor. 13:1...
That is how the Word is been hidden from the real enemy of God.
Go read Isaiah 29: start at verse 9 to 14 and the end.
Bible makes it quite clear that it is sealed. IN the book of Rev. the Lamb is the only one worthy of opening the seals.
Again that is why I say for everyone to listen to Christ and Christ only. He is the Hidden manna giver.

Sorry to be so bold, but the verse of Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled.
The grand deception is even from the Gnostics believers....
That is why there is so much infighting among Christians who do believe in Christ. "Because they have never had this taught to them."
Peace

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Good call Op

also check out luke 10:18

We are in agreement on this matter.

I understand how those who do not believe in the bible might dismiss this, however, how any Christian could overlook this is beyond me. Seems par for the course because the bible also says that even God's children will be fooled.

Time to wake up.

If nothing else, look at it this way.

The bible is a book we've been told is important and we need to follow.

In that book, there are several references that relate Obama to the Antichrist.

If we further add that one of those bible comment comes from Jesus (someone we have been told we should listen to) then there is further reason to add weight to this issue.

Maybe these are just coincidences. I guess it depends on what you think a coincidence is.

Special Agent Gibbs, NCIS
"No such thing as a coincidence."

Or perhaps you say these are incorrect interpretations. Maybe but nonetheless, they exist and therefore are a possibility...

He who has ears to hear, let him hear...
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
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Wow, what a deception you just gave. Satan does not exist! I guess you have not learned what happens at the end of the millennium and how he will be released one more time to see how many will be pulled away from Christ at that time.

Satan has been in the pit since Christ said "Get thee behind me Satan" in Mat. chapter 4.
Rev. chapter 9 even tells us who is the one in the pit and who will deceive the whole world by his coming.
Satan will come with 7000 bad but beautiful angels.
Christ will come with 10,000 of the Saints Jude 14.
Just remember those numbers and their difference's.

You sound like a millenniumist type believer. They think we are already in the millennium.
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When did I say that Satan didn't exist? I said that he decieved the world to believe that he doesn't exist.
Actually, sir, you are wrong. Satan is not presently imprisoned in the pit. Not until Christ returns at the beginning of the New Millineum.
Jesus said, 'Satan is God of this world' (2 Corinthians 4:4).
I'm very aware through scripture that after the 1000 year confinement, Satan will be unleashed on those who were born during the Millineum and have yet to accept Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Satan is unfortunaltely, for most of mankind still free, and as he said in Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Jesus made it very clear that we will be tempted, as he was in the wilderness by Satan (and his minions) -Matthew 4:1.
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609



[link to mama.indstate.edu]

i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
 Quoting: Anubis


This part is so far off base that it is not funny.
"The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras."
Ever read Eze. chapter 8? See the word Tammuz?
After you get done reading that, go read Eze. chapter 9. God destroys those playing with Satan's bride "ISHTAR" and Tammuz. (Note: Act. 12:4 the word Easter is not in the original writings. It is suppose to be passover as we say it in the English language. Easter is Satan's bride.)
Want more proof? Jer. chapter 44. Pay attention starting at verse 17 to the end of that book.
Next you will be telling me that Mal. chapter 4:2 is the "Sun" god. NOPE, it is hidden manna.
Isaiah 24:23, read it.
The children of light are just that. (James 1:7) The children of darkness are those that follow Satan and of course are the "KENITES", the real tares!

There is even a prophecy by God Himself in Numbers 24 pertaining this this last generation about those KENITES, the seed line of Satan. And they rule the world today!
YEP still here!

Hidden manna = Rev. 2:17.
The manna from Heaven John chapter 6. Pay attention to John 6:48 to 51.
Yes, Jesus is the "hidden manna" giver. Not only does it mean that, it means that Jesus is the only one for salvation, that door to heaven.

All Hidden manna is given by Christ in symbolic's and other means.
How about a Hebraism? Ever seen one in the bible?
I do all over.
Here is one for ya.
Gen. 9:22..... "saw thy fathers nakeness is a Hebraism" my two witness verse's are in Lev. 18:8 and 20:11 per what is written on how to rightly divide the Word that "formula" found in 2 Cor. 13:1...
That is how the Word is been hidden from the real enemy of God.
Go read Isaiah 29: start at verse 9 to 14 and the end.
Bible makes it quite clear that it is sealed. IN the book of Rev. the Lamb is the only one worthy of opening the seals.
Again that is why I say for everyone to listen to Christ and Christ only. He is the Hidden manna giver.

Sorry to be so bold, but the verse of Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled.
The grand deception is even from the Gnostics believers....
That is why there is so much infighting among Christians who do believe in Christ. "Because they have never had this taught to them."
Peace
 Quoting: Little Star


sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?

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OP....deliberately Twisting the scriptures to promote your agenda is deceitful.
We will pass through the Seven Years or serve God's Will as martyrs.
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609



[link to mama.indstate.edu]

i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
 Quoting: Anubis


This part is so far off base that it is not funny.
"The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras."
Ever read Eze. chapter 8? See the word Tammuz?
After you get done reading that, go read Eze. chapter 9. God destroys those playing with Satan's bride "ISHTAR" and Tammuz. (Note: Act. 12:4 the word Easter is not in the original writings. It is suppose to be passover as we say it in the English language. Easter is Satan's bride.)
Want more proof? Jer. chapter 44. Pay attention starting at verse 17 to the end of that book.
Next you will be telling me that Mal. chapter 4:2 is the "Sun" god. NOPE, it is hidden manna.
Isaiah 24:23, read it.
The children of light are just that. (James 1:7) The children of darkness are those that follow Satan and of course are the "KENITES", the real tares!

There is even a prophecy by God Himself in Numbers 24 pertaining this this last generation about those KENITES, the seed line of Satan. And they rule the world today!
YEP still here!

Hidden manna = Rev. 2:17.
The manna from Heaven John chapter 6. Pay attention to John 6:48 to 51.
Yes, Jesus is the "hidden manna" giver. Not only does it mean that, it means that Jesus is the only one for salvation, that door to heaven.

All Hidden manna is given by Christ in symbolic's and other means.
How about a Hebraism? Ever seen one in the bible?
I do all over.
Here is one for ya.
Gen. 9:22..... "saw thy fathers nakeness is a Hebraism" my two witness verse's are in Lev. 18:8 and 20:11 per what is written on how to rightly divide the Word that "formula" found in 2 Cor. 13:1...
That is how the Word is been hidden from the real enemy of God.
Go read Isaiah 29: start at verse 9 to 14 and the end.
Bible makes it quite clear that it is sealed. IN the book of Rev. the Lamb is the only one worthy of opening the seals.
Again that is why I say for everyone to listen to Christ and Christ only. He is the Hidden manna giver.

Sorry to be so bold, but the verse of Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled.
The grand deception is even from the Gnostics believers....
That is why there is so much infighting among Christians who do believe in Christ. "Because they have never had this taught to them."
Peace
 Quoting: Little Star


sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?
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What planets are you referring to ?.
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sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?
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What planets are you referring to ?.
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There are about 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If each of them have the same number of planets (on average) as our own sun, then that's about 4 trillion planets in our own galaxy alone. Multiply that by an estimated 125 billion galaxies in the universe ... that's a lot of planets.

take your pick.

oh wait don't tell me, your amazing and all powerful creator and god who made the WHOLE UNIVERSE only chose to put life on ONE planet out of countless billions.

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OP....deliberately Twisting the scriptures to promote your agenda is deceitful.
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That's precisely what Abrahamic religions are: packages of deceit that train their followers how to deceive.

Share all of the beautiful parts of the Bible with your fellow believers. Cite the hatred and vitriol from the Bible only when needed to threaten the non-believers with what awaits them.

If all knowledge is contained within the Bible as is taught, isn't using any one part of it to prove a point while ignoring the rest hiding the truth?
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
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Wow, what a deception you just gave. Satan does not exist! I guess you have not learned what happens at the end of the millennium and how he will be released one more time to see how many will be pulled away from Christ at that time.

Satan has been in the pit since Christ said "Get thee behind me Satan" in Mat. chapter 4.
Rev. chapter 9 even tells us who is the one in the pit and who will deceive the whole world by his coming.
Satan will come with 7000 bad but beautiful angels.
Christ will come with 10,000 of the Saints Jude 14.
Just remember those numbers and their difference's.

You sound like a millenniumist type believer. They think we are already in the millennium.
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When did I say that Satan didn't exist? I said that he decieved the world to believe that he doesn't exist.
Actually, sir, you are wrong. Satan is not presently imprisoned in the pit. Not until Christ returns at the beginning of the New Millineum.
Jesus said, 'Satan is God of this world' (2 Corinthians 4:4).
I'm very aware through scripture that after the 1000 year confinement, Satan will be unleashed on those who were born during the Millineum and have yet to accept Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Satan is unfortunaltely, for most of mankind still free, and as he said in Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Jesus made it very clear that we will be tempted, as he was in the wilderness by Satan (and his minions) -Matthew 4:1.
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Sorry you are correct about your statement about Satan. He does exit.
But sorry arch Angel Michael holds Satan now in a pit. And it is not a pit like we think of an earthly pit.
Read Rev. 9:1 and 2. What is that smoke from the PIT?

Question: Who is the PRINCE OF THE AIR?

Pulling this from Ephesians 2:2... Satan's evil spirit is that "air".
This is why Christians fall flat on their faces when Paul teaches about the gathering back to Christ in 1 Chapter 4. They see the word "air" and think they are going to fly away.
Air means "spirit" and in the case of Ephesians 2:2 it truly means "spirit".
Also not to nit pick, but it was Paul who wrote 2 Cor. 2....
And in the same verse of Eph. 2:2 "yes it means of time of past." But that still does not mean that He is out of the pit right now. Rev. chapter 17:verse 8 will make a nice little study for ya.
Yes he was, is not, and yet is. That beast is Satan, not some monster.
He has many names given in symbolics.
Yes Satan was, in the Garden. Yes Satan did go to God as we seen in the book of Job, and yet will come here to "test" the world today five months before Christ comes.
Christ said in Mark 13:14 that Satan who is the abomination of desolation (NOT SOME MAN)will come. Satan is the only entity that has been judged already. No not even the angels that Jude 6 talks about has been judged yet.
All angels coming down to earth are called "men or man" except Arch angel Michael and Gabriel. Even Jesus is called "son of man".
Satan is called ISH (man) in Isaiah 14. So Satan too is called "man" because he walked among man.
Now if you do not agree with what I have share, that is okay with me and it does NOT make me your enemy. The only enemy of man is Satan and his little cronies the Kenites.
Christ told us in Mat. 23: 1 and 2 that the Scribes and Pharisees took over the seat of Moses. Long ago they did that. Who are the scribes?
1 Chron. 2:55 and there you see those Kenites and all those tribes their with that tribe inner mixed with the fallen angels and most wars in the bible was over this.
Some wars were between the tribes of Israel but that was not very many. Too much pride is why.
Again, it is not up to me to seal you. The latter day sealing is taking place right now. Rev. 7.
I know when Satan comes within a four week time frame. And five months after that is when Christ comes because He had shorten the prophecy of Daniel 9:27 or no flesh shall be saved. Mark 13:20. And not it was NOT TITUS that small tin horned character that took out Jerusalem. There is still the wailing wall standing. Christ said "NOT ONE STONE SHALL BE STANDING" when he comes. Cuz when those 7000 bad angels come with Satan, He will destroy all 7000 of them.
Sorry for being bold.
PEace.
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609



[link to mama.indstate.edu]

i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
 Quoting: Anubis


This part is so far off base that it is not funny.
"The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras."
Ever read Eze. chapter 8? See the word Tammuz?
After you get done reading that, go read Eze. chapter 9. God destroys those playing with Satan's bride "ISHTAR" and Tammuz. (Note: Act. 12:4 the word Easter is not in the original writings. It is suppose to be passover as we say it in the English language. Easter is Satan's bride.)
Want more proof? Jer. chapter 44. Pay attention starting at verse 17 to the end of that book.
Next you will be telling me that Mal. chapter 4:2 is the "Sun" god. NOPE, it is hidden manna.
Isaiah 24:23, read it.
The children of light are just that. (James 1:7) The children of darkness are those that follow Satan and of course are the "KENITES", the real tares!

There is even a prophecy by God Himself in Numbers 24 pertaining this this last generation about those KENITES, the seed line of Satan. And they rule the world today!
YEP still here!

Hidden manna = Rev. 2:17.
The manna from Heaven John chapter 6. Pay attention to John 6:48 to 51.
Yes, Jesus is the "hidden manna" giver. Not only does it mean that, it means that Jesus is the only one for salvation, that door to heaven.

All Hidden manna is given by Christ in symbolic's and other means.
How about a Hebraism? Ever seen one in the bible?
I do all over.
Here is one for ya.
Gen. 9:22..... "saw thy fathers nakeness is a Hebraism" my two witness verse's are in Lev. 18:8 and 20:11 per what is written on how to rightly divide the Word that "formula" found in 2 Cor. 13:1...
That is how the Word is been hidden from the real enemy of God.
Go read Isaiah 29: start at verse 9 to 14 and the end.
Bible makes it quite clear that it is sealed. IN the book of Rev. the Lamb is the only one worthy of opening the seals.
Again that is why I say for everyone to listen to Christ and Christ only. He is the Hidden manna giver.

Sorry to be so bold, but the verse of Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled.
The grand deception is even from the Gnostics believers....
That is why there is so much infighting among Christians who do believe in Christ. "Because they have never had this taught to them."
Peace
 Quoting: Little Star


sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?
 Quoting: Anubis


I guess you can pick the info that you wish to choose. What book do you read? hey?

I bet you are a Annunaki (sorry spelling error there, my brain just had a fart) believer!

No one is cursed into "hell fire". You are spouting the traditions of men's church systems.
There is one great ending for many souls or spiritual bodies and that happens at the end of the millennium on the great day of judgment.
NO one is going to fry like a piece of bacon for ever and ever. In the book of Psalms there is a verse's that tell us how the end will be for those spiritual bodies or souls that will not come to the creator, God.
Psalms 37:20. And the wicked shall perish. There is a hidden acrostic in that chapter that makes it quite clear.

Look up the words "Hebraism, acrostic" and see if I am right?
This is how the hidden info is done in the Word.

The Annunaki is the same as Naphal meaning fallen angels.

So, you said I should stop worshiping Tammuz. I don't, but many Christians do out of ignorance.
I think you underestimate what I have studied.
I have studied many religions, many beliefs and many doctrines of all kinds of things. Like Rosicrucian for an example. Always seeking the real God.
I studied what you have written and I don't buy into it.
I have been there and done that.
So I know you did not listen to what I shared about what is written in the bible. I am sure you did not go to the bible of your choice and see Ezekiel chapter 8. God hated those that worshiped that "bitch of Satan" his Bride.
I prove that you were incorrect about what you think the bible says.
Jer. chapter 44 also talks about that "Queen of Heaven" Satan's bride, Ishtar = Easter.
And YES many denominations do worship ISHTAR out of ignorance they do.

I wonder if you do?
I am not your enemy, nor am I trying to make you come to Christ. It is not my biz, and only Christ can make you come , and NO Christian can make you come to Christ, no matter how hard they try.

Sorry for the word "bitch" because she is a bitch seducing all she can for her lover SATAN.

For those who do not have a bible I will post Eze. chapter 8:14.
" Then HE (God) brought me (Ezekiel) to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north: and behold, there sat a women weeping for Tammuz".
Bingo, proved my point.

Above there you will see the name of the wicked priest who's name is Jaazaniah which means "talked to Ya or Talked to God." He was a liar and God became angry at him for making the people worship Tammuz and ISHTAR EASTER.
And Shaphan in 8:11 means = coonie or "rabbit". Yep, just like the EASTER BUNNY.

Then in Eze. 8:16 you can see that the "priests" turned their backs towards the temple of God and worshiped the "SUN" and boy did God get upset about that.
And today we see Christian after Christian, denomination after denomination worshiping Satan's bride and SUN worship in their churches. Oh they say they don't but the Word Easter in Acts. 12:4 was done by one of the 70 scribes for King James 16:11 bible and was carried over to the 1700 series and beyond bibles and Christians are blinded by that truth because they bible thumper their bibles and say "See it says right their in Acts 12:4 that we are to say the word "EASTER" on the highest holiest day of the year "Passover".
We see it on their signs on the streets at passover time.
They say "Come and worship with us on EASTER" All welcome.

They put eggs and all kinds of junk on the pulpits in front of the congregations and they think it is okay to say "HAPPY EASTER".
Anyone ever color eggs for passover?
Yep the grand deception is doing just fine.

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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
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i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
 Quoting: Anubis


Well, sir, you're wrong.
Jesus' life is so undeniable that had there been a smidgen of a chance that it wasn't true, Christinitie's detractors would've produced that evidence.

Let's take the empty tomb, for instance. If the body was removed by someone, who?
The disciples were unlikely as these weren't the boldest guys, nor would they have the guts to face the Roman guards.
Let's say the desciples did steal the body. An investigation would've been launched, and all out search would've probably produced the body and paraded it through the streets. This even would've stopped Christianity in its tracks. The rissen Chrsit so inspired his disciples they became intrepid spreaders of the Gospel who all died horric executions not willing to recant what they witnessed. Who would die for a lie?
As Paul stated, had Christ not risen from the dead, the faith would have been futile. I submit that the Christian Church would not be in existence. Speaking of Paul, who originally was a staunch Jewish legalist, who murdered Christians because he though they were blasphemers was so convinced that he saw and spoke to Christ that he became the father of the modern Church. He put forth the mechanism that puts that Church on virtually every corner in America, and in the world.

If Christ didn't exist, why did the greatest ancient Jewish historian (amongst others) write about him (and his brother James' execution) in his book, Antiquities of the jewish people? The New testament mentioned various verifiable figures (i.e. Tiberious Caesar, Pontius Pilate, etc.) who were alive at the time of the writing of the New Testament. It would be hard to fabricate a lie, when very powerful witnesses were still alive that could shoot down your testimony. Several New Testament books were written within 15 years of Jesus' death, and many witnesses were still alive. So, it would've been very difficullt for mythology to have crept into any of the New testament books.

The New Testament is the most accurate ancient document ever, and the most closely written to the history that it espouses. Thousands of manuscripts are in existence, and can be put side by side to calculate a greater than 97% accuracy, with the error being mostly punctuation.

Regarding archeology, they have discover Soddom and Gomorrha, Pontius Pilate's plaque denoting his rank/position in Jerusalem, and the list goes on...

Simply put, Christianity had/has too many detractors to not have been truth. These opponents of the Church wouldve produced evidence at a moment's notice...

I know that Jesus is real whenever I am persecuted for my beliefs, because Jesus warned all followers they will be persecuted for his namesake (Matthew 10:22).
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Jesus' life is undeniable. he talked more about hell, than he did heaven. Hell is a very real place, and that's where you'll find yourself, if you keep worshiping a false God.

You make some very valid points, but you can't use the Bible to make your point, then invalidate what you said by deciding that hell and Satan aren't real.
When you state that hell is a lie, you are saying Jesus is a liar.

When you state that hell isn't real, you are saying there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa, or your mother, for that matter.

Read Luke 16, and Revelation 20 about hell.

Oh, BTW, if you do your research, you will discover more testimony than you can handle about experiences in hell. You will discover a similarity amongst people who never knew each other, regarding hell.

Rev 12:9 tells us that Satan has already deceived the whole world, even the very elect. His biggest deception, is that he doesn't exist. This world is spirtual, as your soul inhabits your body, not the other way around.

I take comfort in knowing that my God loved me enough to send his only son here in the flesh, to experience what I experience, then die in place of me, so that I don't have to perish.

Who'd want a God that can't relate to their experience in this world, or who wouldn't die for them, under any circumstance?

You live hour by hour, don't die in your sins, for a God who really doesn't want to know you, or die for you...

Jesus Christ has been verified historically (by non-Christian as well as converted writers), archeologically, and empirically (hundreds witnessed his ressurection, and were willing to die rather than deny).
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609



[link to mama.indstate.edu]

i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
 Quoting: Anubis


This part is so far off base that it is not funny.
"The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras."
Ever read Eze. chapter 8? See the word Tammuz?
After you get done reading that, go read Eze. chapter 9. God destroys those playing with Satan's bride "ISHTAR" and Tammuz. (Note: Act. 12:4 the word Easter is not in the original writings. It is suppose to be passover as we say it in the English language. Easter is Satan's bride.)
Want more proof? Jer. chapter 44. Pay attention starting at verse 17 to the end of that book.
Next you will be telling me that Mal. chapter 4:2 is the "Sun" god. NOPE, it is hidden manna.
Isaiah 24:23, read it.
The children of light are just that. (James 1:7) The children of darkness are those that follow Satan and of course are the "KENITES", the real tares!

There is even a prophecy by God Himself in Numbers 24 pertaining this this last generation about those KENITES, the seed line of Satan. And they rule the world today!
YEP still here!

Hidden manna = Rev. 2:17.
The manna from Heaven John chapter 6. Pay attention to John 6:48 to 51.
Yes, Jesus is the "hidden manna" giver. Not only does it mean that, it means that Jesus is the only one for salvation, that door to heaven.

All Hidden manna is given by Christ in symbolic's and other means.
How about a Hebraism? Ever seen one in the bible?
I do all over.
Here is one for ya.
Gen. 9:22..... "saw thy fathers nakeness is a Hebraism" my two witness verse's are in Lev. 18:8 and 20:11 per what is written on how to rightly divide the Word that "formula" found in 2 Cor. 13:1...
That is how the Word is been hidden from the real enemy of God.
Go read Isaiah 29: start at verse 9 to 14 and the end.
Bible makes it quite clear that it is sealed. IN the book of Rev. the Lamb is the only one worthy of opening the seals.
Again that is why I say for everyone to listen to Christ and Christ only. He is the Hidden manna giver.

Sorry to be so bold, but the verse of Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled.
The grand deception is even from the Gnostics believers....
That is why there is so much infighting among Christians who do believe in Christ. "Because they have never had this taught to them."
Peace
 Quoting: Little Star


sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?
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Sir, you are right, those are all religions. However, religion didn't die on the cross for you. There's only one way. Why would one man proclaim such a message, then willingly die proclaiming it? He had to be God...don't you see? Or, he was a complete idiot.

Is it unreasonable for a fireman to tell you there's only one way out of a burning building?

Jesus hated religion...he brought you salvation.
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sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?
 Quoting: Anubis


What planets are you referring to ?.
 Quoting: Sword of mercy


There are about 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If each of them have the same number of planets (on average) as our own sun, then that's about 4 trillion planets in our own galaxy alone. Multiply that by an estimated 125 billion galaxies in the universe ... that's a lot of planets.

take your pick.

oh wait don't tell me, your amazing and all powerful creator and god who made the WHOLE UNIVERSE only chose to put life on ONE planet out of countless billions.
 Quoting: Anubis


You are guessing aren't you?
Tell us you are not guessing!

Yes, there are more races than on earth in HEAVEN. Yet we see man and the world being raciest.

There are more than 125 billion galaxies, you can be assured of that fact.

Read Job chapter 38:7.......
Read all of Job 38.
Who created all stars and planets?
And NO the earth is not only 6000 years old like most bible thumper pastors tell us.
The earth is millions and millions of years old. My bible tells me so. But the blind only see 6000 years old.

Second verse in Gen. 1:2 defines that as "tohu va bohu".
Totally destroyed and God rebuilt the earth or rejuvenated it to put "man" ish, on earth again to make a choice. Gen. 1:28 and the Word "replenish" is being used in that verse. I wonder what the word "replenish" means? Duh, I don't know the blind say.

When Satan tried to take the thrown of God, God got upset because Satan took 1/3 of the angels which are millions and millions of them. At that time of that event 1/3 other did not give a hoot.
Only 1/3 of all the angels stood with God. Guess who was those Star in Job 38:7 ? US!
So when arch Angel Michael caught Satan, God was going to destroy both 1/3 that did not give a hoot one way or another about the creator, and the 1/3 that stood with Satan.
But the one 1/3 who stood with God begged God not to destroy those 2/3 thirds. But Satan was judged at that point being called the Abomination of desolation. Desolation means =destroyed. He is called the destroyer also, that is Satan.
So when we read Zec. 13:verse 8 and 9 we see the same 2/3 being destroyed.
God is long suffering, meaning He is patient.
We are here on earth for one thing and that is to love God the creator or Satan the destroyer.
So question to all of you.
What 1/3 are you?

God has a plan even for our generation when Satan comes. In Romans 11:4 and my second witness is found in 1 Kings 19:18 that HE has reserved 7000 to stand against those 7000 that Satan will bring with him that is the bad but very beautiful wicked angels.
Those same 7000 are the ones that Michael took with him when they went after Satan.

So, yea, I have read Stitchens work and I trash it any time I can.
I know by what I have said, I will have Christians coming at me like flies on poop. They will call me a false prophet. Too bad too cuz I have not fallen into their denominational teachings. I studied all of their denominational teachings so I even know what they will try to say because of their traditions of men's church teachings.
Nothing new under the sun today that has not happened in the past.
Peace
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i refer you to PART 2: THE LACK OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS

The usual Christian response to those who question the historicity of Jesus is to palm off various documents as "historical evidence" for the existence of Jesus. They usually start with the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The usual claim is that these are "eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus made by his disciples." The reply to this argument can be summed up in one word--pseudepigraphic. This term refers to works of writing whose authors conceal their true identities behind the names of legendary characters from the past. Pseudepigraphic writing was particularly popular among the jewish people during Hashmonean and Roman periods and this style of writing was adopted by the early Christians.

The canonical gospels are not the only gospels. For example, there are also gospels of Mary, Peter, Thomas and Philip. These four gospels are recognized as being pseudepigraphic by both Christian and non-Christian scholars. They provide no legitimate historical information since they were based on rumors and belief. The existence of these obviously pseudepigraphic gospels makes it quite reasonable to suspect that the canonical gospels might also be pseudepigraphic. The very fact that early Christians wrote pseudepigraphic gospels suggests that this was in fact the norm. It is thus the missionaries' claim that the canonical gospels are not pseudepigraphic which requires proof.

... click link for more ...

All other writers who mention Jesus, from Justin Martyr in the second century C.E. to the latest expounders of Christian myth in the twentieth century, have all based their references to Jesus on the sources we have discredited above. Consequently their claims are worthless as historical evidence. We are thus left with the conclusion that there is absolutely no reliable and acceptable historical evidence of Jesus. All references to Jesus are derived from the superstitious beliefs and myths of the early Christian community. The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras. Other myths about Jesus appear to be based on various different historical people such as the convicted criminals Yeishu ben Pandeira and ben Stada, and the crucified false Messiahs Yehuda, Theudas and Benjamin, but none of these people can be regarded as an historical Jesus.
 Quoting: Anubis


This part is so far off base that it is not funny.
"The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras."
Ever read Eze. chapter 8? See the word Tammuz?
After you get done reading that, go read Eze. chapter 9. God destroys those playing with Satan's bride "ISHTAR" and Tammuz. (Note: Act. 12:4 the word Easter is not in the original writings. It is suppose to be passover as we say it in the English language. Easter is Satan's bride.)
Want more proof? Jer. chapter 44. Pay attention starting at verse 17 to the end of that book.
Next you will be telling me that Mal. chapter 4:2 is the "Sun" god. NOPE, it is hidden manna.
Isaiah 24:23, read it.
The children of light are just that. (James 1:7) The children of darkness are those that follow Satan and of course are the "KENITES", the real tares!

There is even a prophecy by God Himself in Numbers 24 pertaining this this last generation about those KENITES, the seed line of Satan. And they rule the world today!
YEP still here!

Hidden manna = Rev. 2:17.
The manna from Heaven John chapter 6. Pay attention to John 6:48 to 51.
Yes, Jesus is the "hidden manna" giver. Not only does it mean that, it means that Jesus is the only one for salvation, that door to heaven.

All Hidden manna is given by Christ in symbolic's and other means.
How about a Hebraism? Ever seen one in the bible?
I do all over.
Here is one for ya.
Gen. 9:22..... "saw thy fathers nakeness is a Hebraism" my two witness verse's are in Lev. 18:8 and 20:11 per what is written on how to rightly divide the Word that "formula" found in 2 Cor. 13:1...
That is how the Word is been hidden from the real enemy of God.
Go read Isaiah 29: start at verse 9 to 14 and the end.
Bible makes it quite clear that it is sealed. IN the book of Rev. the Lamb is the only one worthy of opening the seals.
Again that is why I say for everyone to listen to Christ and Christ only. He is the Hidden manna giver.

Sorry to be so bold, but the verse of Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled.
The grand deception is even from the Gnostics believers....
That is why there is so much infighting among Christians who do believe in Christ. "Because they have never had this taught to them."
Peace
 Quoting: Little Star


sorry you cant use the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

i just posted the below to your buddy 'christian' in another thread but you need to hear it too:

why can you not have a reverence and understanding of the grand design of the universe without it being filtered into a specific religion? what of the hindus? what of the bhuddists? what of the sikhs? is everyone cursed to eternal hellfire because they dont buy what you're selling? its illogical and ridiculous to eschew something as infinitely intelligent as the designer of the universe would be so petty. what about beings on other planets? do they have a jesus? are they going to hell?
 Quoting: Anubis


Sir, you are right, those are all religions. However, religion didn't die on the cross for you. There's only one way. Why would one man proclaim such a message, then willingly die proclaiming it? He had to be God...don't you see? Or, he was a complete idiot.

Is it unreasonable for a fireman to tell you there's only one way out of a burning building?

Jesus hated religion...he brought you salvation.
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609


Yes Jesus hated religions and so do I.

To be a real Christian is NOT a religion but a reality.

The four beast systems spoken of in Zec. 1:18 are and I have said this over and over and over.
The political beast system
The educational system
The economical system aka 911 buildings
And the worse is "religion".
The deadly wound will be given to the NWO one world system will receive that wound, not Satan that anti-pas or anti-christ.
Satan cannot be harmed by our punny little worldly play toys, guns and knives and bombs and etc.
He is supernatural, not of human flesh.

This is why the so called "rapture" doctrine is dangerous.
Look how many got sucked into Harold Camping. We all saw it on glp. Millions got sucked into that because of the false doctrine of the Latin word "rapture".
The word "rapture" is not even in the manuscripts.
It was started in 1830. And no Darby is a deceiver just like Satan is and that is what Christ was showing us in Mat. chapter 4 when Satan came to temp him after 40 days and nights. The angels had to come and help Jesus at that time because of lack of food being born of Woman, not like those fallen angels that side stepped Gods plan for everyone to be born of woman to make up their minds who they are going to worship.
I can see who will be fooled by Satan.
That is why I always post Amos 8:11 and say it has been fulfilled.
Deception after deception and huge grand deception.
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