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someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..

 
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someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I've seen some of you write that Cain is Lucifer's son. Howso?
What does it say in the bible?
And don't tell me to go look it up. I'm asking you for the cliffnotes version.

gracias
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
no bibletards want to answer? shocking.
i'm being sincere, i want to know
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no bibletards want to answer? shocking.
i'm being sincere, i want to know
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Was going to answer then i saw the derogatory term (bibletards) and then i knew you really DID NOT want to know.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
Cupid is the son of Venus. Want to discuss that too?
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
They were the first homosexuals.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
Here's a verse for you from 1 John 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous."

If you have the time, here is an excellent video on the subject. Needless to say, I don't think that "fruit" from the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" was actually fruit but the act of sex with the Fallen Angels (another account is Genesis 6).

Cain is never mentioned in the lineage of Adam and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Cain was NOT Adam's son but a son of the Fallen ones. You could argue then that it was out of jealousy of Able's uncorrupted blood that he killed him because God favored mankind's bloodline over that of the angels'.

I believe, also, that by the time Jesus Christ came to earth, He was on a "DNA rescue mission". If you believe in Him, God's Word promises that you WILL become a "new creature" (2 Corinthians 5:17). So what are you if you DON'T believe? Just my thoughts. Here is that video.

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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I get confused cause adam and eve had cain and able and then they were a family and so mankind came from them, right. sooooooo. Then I find out there was some daughters, and they messed around with some dudes from "the land of nod".

Like there was this WHOLE OTHER PLACE full of people that were not related to adam and eve or something. I get confused about the whole land of nod people, and progeny of mankind and adam and eve and how much incestual bangin was goin on, or IF MAYBE there were SOME OTHER "people" around to "help things along".
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
The Cain and Abel story goes back to an earlier(like 2000 years earlier) Sumerian story. In the Sumerian story, the farmer(Cain) is preferred by the gods for his vegetables and grain offering over the shepherd's(Abel) offering of meat. The Sumerians were mostly farmers, and so the gods were seen as favoring farmers. When the Hebrews got the story, they turned it around and had God favoring Abel, which enraged Cain so he slew his brother Abel. The Hebrews were mountain herders and played fast and loose with the older stories, like the flood, and put a moral bias in which wasn't in the original Sumerian stories. To read the originals check out the work of Zechariah Sitchin. The books are easy to find in paperbacks.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I've seen some of you write that Cain is Lucifer's son. Howso?
What does it say in the bible?
And don't tell me to go look it up. I'm asking you for the cliffnotes version.

gracias
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cliffnotes, serpent in garden was satan, satan seduced eve, they had sex, she conceived, adam came to eve, eve told him he should eat this fruit so he had sex with satan, this is where homosexuals came in at, adam than had sex with eve, she again conceived, so you have cain which is satans offspring aka the kenites,and you have abel which is adams offspring.

Cain IS NOT in Adams genealogy.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I get confused cause adam and eve had cain and able and then they were a family and so mankind came from them, right. sooooooo. Then I find out there was some daughters, and they messed around with some dudes from "the land of nod".

Like there was this WHOLE OTHER PLACE full of people that were not related to adam and eve or something. I get confused about the whole land of nod people, and progeny of mankind and adam and eve and how much incestual bangin was goin on, or IF MAYBE there were SOME OTHER "people" around to "help things along".
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ON the sixth day God created all of the races, on the seventh day God rested, on the eighth day God saw He had no man to til the soil, He than created Adam, and from Adam came Eve. Jesus came from the eighth day creation, Cain went to the land of Nod and married a woman from the sixth day creation. Hope this helps
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I get confused cause adam and eve had cain and able and then they were a family and so mankind came from them, right. sooooooo. Then I find out there was some daughters, and they messed around with some dudes from "the land of nod".

Like there was this WHOLE OTHER PLACE full of people that were not related to adam and eve or something. I get confused about the whole land of nod people, and progeny of mankind and adam and eve and how much incestual bangin was goin on, or IF MAYBE there were SOME OTHER "people" around to "help things along".
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ON the sixth day God created all of the races, on the seventh day God rested, on the eighth day God saw He had no man to til the soil, He than created Adam, and from Adam came Eve. Jesus came from the eighth day creation, Cain went to the land of Nod and married a woman from the sixth day creation. Hope this helps
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but adam was the first man? the first human. ???

eve came from adam.

you're saying that a bunch of other humans were somewhere else chillin already? THIS is why Im confused.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
OP, there is very little truth in ANYTHING from the mouth or mind of a bible person.

This is because the bible is false by design. There is no way to base a logical argument or historical study on something so riddles with fallacy.

Your time is better spent on other things.
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Here is a link to the Sumerian story that the Hebrews changed to make the Cain/Abel story. Note that the Sumerians were farmers, so the god Enlil(highest ruler of Earth on Earth) favored the farmer(Cain/Emesh) against his brother(Enten/Abel)
Also note there is no violence in the Sumerian story, with the two brothers reconciled. The Sumerian story predates the Bible by 2000 years at least.
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Satan used the serpent as a mouth piece, no sex here that is not what the Bible says happened
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
There is a simple and logical answer to your questions:

1) Eve is the mother of all living

2) Cain had a wife

3) Cain's wife wasn't his mother

4) Ergo.....Cain married his sister (the daughter of his mother)

5) Same with Seth (Adam's 3d son). Seth also married one of his sisters.

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Logical......but it offends today's people's sensibilites because we don't alow it and consider it awful.

But remember...the DNA back then had all the diversity of the human race.

Even in Abraham's time, it was typical to marry a close relative.

Only in the time of Moses the lawgiver, did the DNA separate and become such that laws were created so that brother couldn't marry sister or a close relative.


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To reiterate: Cain took one of his sisters to go live in the land that would later be called NOD.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
cain and abel were the sons of adam and eve now the question to further the human species who had sex with who did adam and eve get the wild thing in order to have mor children namely females/daughters and did adam sleep with daughters to further the family line or did cain or abel do this act or maybe did cain and abel have sex with mother eve to further the family???????????
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cain and abel were the sons of adam and eve now the question to further the human species who had sex with who did adam and eve get the wild thing in order to have mor children namely females/daughters and did adam sleep with daughters to further the family line or did cain or abel do this act or maybe did cain and abel have sex with mother eve to further the family???????????
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Jewish sources like Jubilees try to answer these lapses in the Torah story. Inevitably they fail to satisfy any but true believers. One suggestion is that Adam had a first wife, Lilith, that Adam dumped because she wanted to have the top position. The Hebrews were mostly patriarchal, but surrounded by the Canaanites, who were mostly matriarchal, so letting Lilith be on top was a no-no. The alternative is incest, and of course THAT didn't happen!
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Here's a verse for you from 1 John 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous."

If you have the time, here is an excellent video on the subject. Needless to say, I don't think that "fruit" from the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" was actually fruit but the act of sex with the Fallen Angels (another account is Genesis 6).

Cain is never mentioned in the lineage of Adam and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Cain was NOT Adam's son but a son of the Fallen ones. You could argue then that it was out of jealousy of Able's uncorrupted blood that he killed him because God favored mankind's bloodline over that of the angels'.

I believe, also, that by the time Jesus Christ came to earth, He was on a "DNA rescue mission". If you believe in Him, God's Word promises that you WILL become a "new creature" (2 Corinthians 5:17). So what are you if you DON'T believe? Just my thoughts. Here is that video.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Finally, someone pointing out the obvious.

The problem with this of course is judensau;
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
On all European churches, if openly showing and stating Judaism is from a pigs ass, and Christianity is built upon this same "pigs ass", then it is truly a turd wrapped up in obvious shit, yet when one looks deeper, and takes the quoted bold text into account it becomes obvious he/they were space invaders, here to colonize as the bible states. Again by colonizing and all books of the torah state "go forth slaughter steal in my name", some one was here first.

In may other text including said bible they are referred to as the "seed of the father", and "sons of god". This then leads the reader to the obvious conclusion that Christianity is here to promote what is seen on shivas belt, the destroyers of worlds, the black haired man created in the desert, above who? That pesky "white" man.
Today you worship this great satan on your god boxes daily, you promote him above yourselves all in the name of "love" and "peace", peace signs flying high as they rain bullets down on you all and your blood.

Get your head out of your ass, pick the correct GOD , when playing a game of gods.
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But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies <bloodlines> and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

WHOSOEVER believes in Jesus Christ will be saved.

And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Let us not forget the parable of the Good Samaritan.
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Malachias (Malachi) 1: [2] I have loved you, saith the Lord: and you have said: Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau brother to Jacob, saith the Lord, and I have loved Jacob,
[3] But have hated Esau? and I have made his mountains a wilderness, and given his inheritance to the dragons of the desert.



Genesis 4:[1] And Adam knew Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, saying: I have gotten a man through God.[2] And again she brought forth his brother Abel. And Abel was a shepherd, and Cain a husbandman.


Genesis 4:[6] And the Lord said to him: Why art thou angry? and why is thy countenance fallen? [7] If thou do well, shalt thou not receive? but if ill, shall not sin forthwith be present at the door? but the lust thereof shall be under thee, and thou shalt have dominion over it.

[8] And Cain said to Abel his brother: Let us go forth abroad. And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and slew him.

[9] And the Lord said to Cain: Where is thy brother Abel? And he answered, I know not: am I my brother's keeper?

[10] And he said to him: What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth to me from the earth.



2 Corinthians 6:[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God saith: I will dwell in them, and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [17] Wherefore, Go out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: [18] And I will receive you; and I will be a Father to you; and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


John 4:24
God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.


John 14: [8] Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. [9] Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, shew us the Father? [10] Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.

[11] Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten.


Wisdom 2:[23] For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. [24] But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world:

[25] And they follow him that are of his side.



John 8: [36] If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. [37] I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. [38] I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father.

[39] They answered, and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith to them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. [40] But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not.

[41] You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God.

[42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: [43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.

[44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. [45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.

[46] Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me? [47] He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.


Ecclesiasticus 15: [18] Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him: [19] For the wisdom of God is great, and he is strong in power, seeing all men without ceasing. [20] The eyes of the Lord are towards them that fear him, and he knoweth all the work of man.

[21] He hath commanded no man to do wickedly, and he hath given no man license to sin: [22] For he desireth not a multitude of faithless and unprofitable children.


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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:


Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I've seen some of you write that Cain is Lucifer's son. Howso?
What does it say in the bible?
And don't tell me to go look it up. I'm asking you for the cliffnotes version.

gracias
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Cain is not lucifer's son. Cain is the son of Adam. period, end of sentence.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
I've seen some of you write that Cain is Lucifer's son. Howso?
What does it say in the bible?
And don't tell me to go look it up. I'm asking you for the cliffnotes version.

gracias
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


cliffnotes, serpent in garden was satan, satan seduced eve, they had sex, she conceived, adam came to eve, eve told him he should eat this fruit so he had sex with satan, this is where homosexuals came in at, adam than had sex with eve, she again conceived, so you have cain which is satans offspring aka the kenites,and you have abel which is adams offspring.

Cain IS NOT in Adams genealogy.
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i think you need to go read up on your biology....
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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Re: someone school me on the cain & abel thing please.... i have a question..
Cain murdered Abel. Thus God cast Cain out into the world away from his people. NOTICE: God did not kill Cain rather reserved him unto the day of judgment just like anyone else.

Cain's progeny became all those opposed to God's people.

Cain's people - the daughters of men - married into God's people - Sons of God - to produce a problem the Bible describes in an old Hebrew word: nephylm, meaning giants who were fallen. They were not God's people yet caused a large problem for God's people. Today this would be the Rockefellers (claiming to be a Baptist). Satan and his angels can not breed with humans, as some believe. (see: Matthew Henry Bible Commentary, who understood this well)

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