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Obama Executive order ends Welfare Reform as we know it!

 
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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
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The welfare reform happened under Clinton and was a good thing. It got people off of welfare and back to work. Obama, with the stroke of a pen got rid of it.
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Yes, he just wiped out a decade of welfare reform and it's back to Square #1.

More and likely massive entitlements when we can't pay the ones we already have. More rewards for the non-productive.
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Read this Tanydum. Here is a .gov link for you. [link to www.acf.hhs.gov]
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So this means more can sit around and collect and get fatter and the

expense of those who actually do work?
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Yeah, basically. Or the ones who are on it, won't have to look for work any more. They used to have to work I think 20 hours to qualify.
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He was and was put in place illegally against the will of the American public through deceit and lies by the evil Satanic cabal which has this world in its grasp.

The ONLY way to escape the imminent destruction of your spirit is through Jesus Christ. He... is the ONLY way friends! DO NOT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS AND BE PLACED IN THE FINAL 7 YEAR PERIOD / POST RAPTURE / FOR YOUR DESTINY AT THAT POINT WILL BE GRIM. The Only way after the removal of the church to be provided a sense of salvation will be from the sacrifice of your own life. This will be through your confession of your knowledge, understanding and belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, as well as refusing the mark which is present and being instituted now.

Pray for me as well. There are temptations everywhere and we all need strength in the incredibly dark days!
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Yeah man, Jesus hated welfare!
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So this means more can sit around and collect and get fatter and the

expense of those who actually do work?
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In a word, yes.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Corporate welfare takes far more of your tax dollars, yet people want to hate on the poor.
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So this means more can sit around and collect and get fatter and the

expense of those who actually do work?

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How do you and others even justify your comment? Since when is the last time you went out and bought something without paying taxes? And anyone who has worked in their life has also paid taxes into the system.
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Why argue about it at this point?

Everyone knows the country is broke may as well

finish it off quickly now rather then slowly right?

Quick is better then slow and painful I'd say
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Corporate welfare takes far more of your tax dollars, yet people want to hate on the poor.
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My problem with welfare is.... The more that get on it, make the lame 2 party system even worse. When freebies are handed out, the people will vote for the party giving out the freebies. This country is heading for rough times when only 50% of the population pays income tax!
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Corporate welfare takes far more of your tax dollars, yet people want to hate on the poor.
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Actually social programs/entitlements take up over 80% of the federal spending. So what you are saying is mathematically impossible. Google federal budget and so forth.

And it's not the POOR, it's the LAZY who refuse to work or even try to better their situation and want to remain on the taxpayer dole generation after generation.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Welcome to 3rd world America and in the meantime, I have to sit home, wait for my temp employer to call and see if anything is gonna change at work. Laid off for how long,unknown,and so I'm collecting unemployment, applying to every damn job I can think of, even the Mickey'ds shit and no responses. (seems the employers nowadays don't wanna talk to you if you're unemployed) Not my fault. work got slow. And all i get is this measly $40.00/mnth in foodstamps. I'd rather work but shit, nothing happening and no phone calls.
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Good. At least women who's deadbeat partners abandoned them with children will get more help.
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The worlds greatest deadbeat is the US government at 16 TRILLION in debt...

Your kids will be paying their own child support...

FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
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I no longer have words to express about our Dictator anymore so watch my 3 minutes video instead. enjoy cheersdrunk

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Good video! Made me cry.
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Welcome to 3rd world America and in the meantime, I have to sit home, wait for my temp employer to call and see if anything is gonna change at work. Laid off for how long,unknown,and so I'm collecting unemployment, applying to every damn job I can think of, even the Mickey'ds shit and no responses. (seems the employers nowadays don't wanna talk to you if you're unemployed) Not my fault. work got slow. And all i get is this measly $40.00/mnth in foodstamps. I'd rather work but shit, nothing happening and no phone calls.
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P.S. I like working and feeling useful.
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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461298


No, you've got it backwards unfortunately.

What the article is saying is that he's waiving these requirements due to people's 'temporary need for relief'. Long-lived/permanant temporary relief in other words.

I'm still going to wait until I can read the EO for myself.
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Oh ok, thanks for everyone clearing that up, I guess increased govt. dependence is Mr. Obama's style, which does make more sense considering his politics. "Got ma welfar check honey chil' !". Just wait when they finally cut it off at the very tail end of everything hitting the fan. knockout
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Corporate welfare takes far more of your tax dollars, yet people want to hate on the poor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1195793


Actually social programs/entitlements take up over 80% of the federal spending. So what you are saying is mathematically impossible. Google federal budget and so forth.

And it's not the POOR, it's the LAZY who refuse to work or even try to better their situation and want to remain on the taxpayer dole generation after generation.
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and millions for penile pump implants and viagra for aged men on medicare..add that to the entitlement fraud abounding.
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I no longer have words to express about our Dictator anymore so watch my 3 minutes video instead. enjoy cheersdrunk

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Good video! Made me cry.
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Yeah, good one! Think I need a drink after that and this directive.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Gotta support his fellow immigrants!
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Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform.


[link to www.foxnews.com]

Notice how obama is accelerating policies that will aid in the destruction of the U.S.? If Romney wins, obama needs to be watched and stopped from doing anything. Those almost three months after Election Day is going to be a nightmare of epic proportions if obama has his way.
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So this means more can sit around and collect and get fatter and the

expense of those who actually do work?
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In a word, yes.
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I'm sick of trying to work for a living. ...
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Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform.


[link to www.foxnews.com]

Notice how obama is accelerating policies that will aid in the destruction of the U.S.? If Romney wins, obama needs to be watched and stopped from doing anything. Those almost three months after Election Day is going to be a nightmare of epic proportions if obama has his way.
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Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform.


[link to www.foxnews.com]

Notice how obama is accelerating policies that will aid in the destruction of the U.S.? If Romney wins, obama needs to be watched and stopped from doing anything. Those almost three months after Election Day is going to be a nightmare of epic proportions if obama has his way.
 Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain


Sorry but its already destroyed not even Jesus Christ himself could correct this cluster fuck......
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simple sum it up.

Old way: you want a free ride?, you gotta work for it somehow, can't just panhandle ya know, try to do some good.

After this: Forget about the pan, don't even need it, we'll just let you have it, we'll hold a pan in one hand, and a gun in the other, take from them and give it to you, they won't care.

What saddens me is that people have no pride any more. Pride is lost....



WOW! If anyone wanted to destroy the basic principles of this country, this guy is doing it.


It's like watching a car wreck in slow motion, and knowing the guy in the car causing the wreck was the one purposely veering into oncoming traffic...



Am I wrong?, this is just my cursory jist of what I'm reading here.
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Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform.


[link to www.foxnews.com]

Notice how obama is accelerating policies that will aid in the destruction of the U.S.? If Romney wins, obama needs to be watched and stopped from doing anything. Those almost three months after Election Day is going to be a nightmare of epic proportions if obama has his way.
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I think he knows he is not the "shoe-in" he once believed. So, he wants to do as much damage as possible before he is voted out.

If he is not voted out, he has nothing to lose, he just got a head start on finishing our country off.

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Good. At least women who's deadbeat partners abandoned them with children will get more help.
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The worlds greatest deadbeat is the US government at 16 TRILLION in debt...

Your kids will be paying their own child support...

FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
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Due to that excessive and unnecessary war/occupation "welfare" spending that you keep voting for?
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Good. At least women who's deadbeat partners abandoned them with children will get more help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18044353


The worlds greatest deadbeat is the US government at 16 TRILLION in debt...

Your kids will be paying their own child support...

FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17653326


16 TRILLION? Pffftttt....

The financial giants and big banks may be responsible for losses (?) in the 800 TRILLION, no typo there, that's EIGHT HUNDRED TRILLION dollars. This is the latest rumor circulating. How does a bank "lose" that much money? Want to bet that it is more likely being funneled out of country to god-knows-where?

I have an idea...let's FIND that "lost" money and put it back where it belongs.
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Don't forget the money for welfare is coming out of the Social Security Bank...
Also, now that moms collecting welfare don't have to work, or seek work now.., which WILL result in lower unemployment numbers its now @ 8.3 %..except it to drop like a rock in a month or two just before election..
By then people will forget this, and He can say "that he bought down unemployment from 8.3%-->6.0% or lower?
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Please explain to me how this will affect child support. I pay child support on 2 children, my ex gets 50% of my gross leaving me in a position where it's difficult to live already.
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Good. At least women who's deadbeat partners abandoned them with children will get more help.
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The worlds greatest deadbeat is the US government at 16 TRILLION in debt...

Your kids will be paying their own child support...

FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17653326


Due to that excessive and unnecessary war/occupation "welfare" spending that you keep voting for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18044353


Not me !

I don't want all that blood on my hands...


So I gave up my US "slave" 14th amendment citizenship years ago..

and corrected my status back to birthright as one of "We the People" !

We the People are NOT US citizens...

Get a clue.... slave !

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Welcome to 3rd world America and in the meantime, I have to sit home, wait for my temp employer to call and see if anything is gonna change at work. Laid off for how long,unknown,and so I'm collecting unemployment, applying to every damn job I can think of, even the Mickey'ds shit and no responses. (seems the employers nowadays don't wanna talk to you if you're unemployed) Not my fault. work got slow. And all i get is this measly $40.00/mnth in foodstamps. I'd rather work but shit, nothing happening and no phone calls.
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I can hardly wait until these smug well-to-do A-HOLES that never had a difficult time in their lives lose it all. THEN and only THEN will they know how hard it can be even when you try your best. Believe me, when they lose everything I will not shed one single tear for them.
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Good. At least women who's deadbeat partners abandoned them with children will get more help. It's hard enough to find a job these days, let alone having to pay for exorbitant child care at the same time where every penny you earn goes out the door. TANF was fucking stupid anyway, it will not work in today's economy.
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YES, sell your soul to the Gubment, rather than work. VERY AMERICAN, SLAVE.

Do you realize the VERY SAME PEOPLE doing this, are the ones making it so hard for you to find a decent job? ANY JOB???

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