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ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.

 
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ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I have a challenge for you.

I'd like you to prove the validity of the bible, and that Jesus Christ is the one true way to salvation.

I want to know how you can irrefutably know that His Way is the Only Way.

Why the other 500 religions, myths and belief systems are wrong and why Christianity is right.

I will say up front that i acknowledge the Universe did not happen by accident, there is a Grand Design and a Creator. That much i will give you.

I've heard and read just about every verse in the bible copied and pasted and preached over and over through the years.

I'd like someone to explain it succinctly, and in layman's terms why they are convinced their way is the true and only way.

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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
But the bible SAYS its the word of God..here is a scripture to prove it...oh..wait...


(Crickets start chirping at this point..)
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But the bible SAYS its the word of God..here is a scripture to prove it...oh..wait...


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lol. exactly.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Is the fact of resurrection not reason enough?
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Is the fact of resurrection not reason enough?
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okay. can you empirically prove the 'fact' of resurrection outside of the text of the bible?
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Jesus was the sign sent to be spoken against.

For Judgment.

How can you get the proof you seek? Ask God with an honest heart to show you. That's all.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Is the fact of resurrection not reason enough?
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okay. can you empirically prove the 'fact' of resurrection outside of the text of the bible?
 Quoting: Anubis


Begin herewith:

[link to www.sol.com.au]

[link to www.neverthirsty.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Well I can think of a few things but I guess the one that comes to mind first it the power in the name "Jesus". If you've ever seen an exorcism, you can see how demonic forces react to the name. Also you see where it's being banned from use. People who claim they've been abducted by ETs have also said they respond to the name Jesus.

I don't know any other name that has that kind of power.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I've read a hundred new age "magickal" books and they are all EGO driven.

The Bible doesn't ask that you do anything for salvation, but that it's already given to you. That's the biggest ego killer there is, no? So, if you go by that logic, then that is a huge difference in what MAN says. Man by nature is an idiot and anything that man says to do is usually selfish and the opposite of anything good, pure or beautiful.

So a type of proof would be that it's the opposite of what man (or the world) says. So it must be divine (or at the very least the opposite of evil as we know it) And we all KNOW there's evil.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I've read a hundred new age "magickal" books and they are all EGO driven.

The Bible doesn't ask that you do anything for salvation, but that it's already given to you. That's the biggest ego killer there is, no? So, if you go by that logic, then that is a huge difference in what MAN says. Man by nature is an idiot and anything that man says to do is usually selfish and the opposite of anything good, pure or beautiful.

So a type of proof would be that it's the opposite of what man (or the world) says. So it must be divine (or at the very least the opposite of evil as we know it) And we all KNOW there's evil.
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That's logic though. Faith is what has saved your a$$ a thousand times
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The Bible’s moral merit and relevance are not scientific quantities; objections against the moral merit and relevance of Biblical teachings may emanate from individuals who are just as prone as the rest of the human race to resist God’s message and to assert their own self-rule.

Some individuals may reject the case for applying the Bible’s message to themselves because of spiritual rebelliousness, rather than because of any deficiency in our answers.
" Sonny Liston is nothing. The man can't talk. The man can't fight. The man needs to take talking lessons. The man needs to take fighting lessons. And since he's fighting me, he needs falling lessons."

Muhammad Ali...
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
We all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. If you are waiting for someone to "prove" Him to you, then you can easily reject their efforts. However, if you go straight to the source and plead with Him to reveal Himself to you (with a humble and contrite heart...you can't fake this. He will know), He always shows up!

Once He has revealed Himself (different ways to different people), then there is no way to deny that He is real, He is the one True Creator and He loves you enough to provide His Son as your substitute. You don't need a Bible in front of you for Him to reveal all of this to you. You just have to ask!
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.


That video shows a bunch of non-Bible ancient texts that talk about Jesus, even some that deny His deity.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Well I can think of a few things but I guess the one that comes to mind first it the power in the name "Jesus". If you've ever seen an exorcism, you can see how demonic forces react to the name. Also you see where it's being banned from use. People who claim they've been abducted by ETs have also said they respond to the name Jesus.

I don't know any other name that has that kind of power.
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okay thats something.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Is the fact of resurrection not reason enough?
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okay. can you empirically prove the 'fact' of resurrection outside of the text of the bible?
 Quoting: Anubis


Begin herewith:

[link to www.sol.com.au]

[link to www.neverthirsty.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


thank you i will review.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I've read a hundred new age "m
agickal" books and they are all EGO driven.

The Bible doesn't ask that you do anything for salvation, but that it's already given to you. That's the biggest ego killer there is, no? So, if you go by that logic, then that is a huge difference in what MAN says. Man by nature is an idiot and anything that man says to do is usually selfish and the opposite of anything good, pure or beautiful.

So a type of proof would be that it's the opposite of what man (or the world) says. So it must be divine (or at the very least the opposite of evil as we know it) And we all KNOW there's evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18758040


that sounds reasonable. but could you not say the same thing about other 'holy' books? (occult books aside)

such as:

Vinaya Pitaka

The Hindu Vedas

Qur'an

Hadith

Torah

The Kojiki

The Guru Granth Sahib

Tao Te Ching

etc..
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The Bible’s moral merit and relevance are not scientific quantities; objections against the moral merit and relevance of Biblical teachings may emanate from individuals who are just as prone as the rest of the human race to resist God’s message and to assert their own self-rule.

Some individuals may reject the case for applying the Bible’s message to themselves because of spiritual rebelliousness, rather than because of any deficiency in our answers.
 Quoting: CASCABEL


but that is kind of my point isnt it. i could write an elaborate book extolling the virtues of worshiping Me and how Me created the world and your only salvation is through Me.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
We all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. If you are waiting for someone to "prove" Him to you, then you can easily reject their efforts. However, if you go straight to the source and plead with Him to reveal Himself to you (with a humble and contrite heart...you can't fake this. He will know), He always shows up!

Once He has revealed Himself (different ways to different people), then there is no way to deny that He is real, He is the one True Creator and He loves you enough to provide His Son as your substitute. You don't need a Bible in front of you for Him to reveal all of this to you. You just have to ask!
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I understand that. But how do I know I am 'pleading' to the correct deity without prior knowledge? (outside of a text proving the validity of itself)
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
There are OLGUM writings all over the US.
And it was here long before Christ was even born.

And in those writings it tells us that the LION (Jesus) shall come.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.ramtops.co.uk]

And here is the man that deciphered that stone.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Here is another one...

[link to pastinthepresent.wordpress.com]

I pasted that one those Christians who think the earth is only 6000 years old.

Want more? I have tons of other stuff that talks about Christ even before He was born.
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There are OLGUM writings all over the US.
And it was here long before Christ was even born.

And in those writings it tells us that the LION (Jesus) shall come.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.ramtops.co.uk]

And here is the man that deciphered that stone.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Here is another one...

[link to pastinthepresent.wordpress.com]

I pasted that one those Christians who think the earth is only 6000 years old.

Want more? I have tons of other stuff that talks about Christ even before He was born.
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thank you LS i will explore.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
Sure it's rather simple process to prove it. God elects you to the knowledge that he is the creator and that his Son Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven. Via that election you are saved in Grace. Fairly simple process to be honest, if you have questions ask God.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I've read a hundred new age "m
agickal" books and they are all EGO driven.

The Bible doesn't ask that you do anything for salvation, but that it's already given to you. That's the biggest ego killer there is, no? So, if you go by that logic, then that is a huge difference in what MAN says. Man by nature is an idiot and anything that man says to do is usually selfish and the opposite of anything good, pure or beautiful.

So a type of proof would be that it's the opposite of what man (or the world) says. So it must be divine (or at the very least the opposite of evil as we know it) And we all KNOW there's evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18758040


that sounds reasonable. but could you not say the same thing about other 'holy' books? (occult books aside)

such as:

Vinaya Pitaka

The Hindu Vedas

Qur'an

Hadith

Torah

The Kojiki

The Guru Granth Sahib

Tao Te Ching

etc..
 Quoting: Anubis

Well. You did also ask for the "validity" of the bible. You could also say that millions of people live better lives because of it.

The bottom line with the New Testament is that it has already been done for us. There's nothing else to do. Jesus is our Savior.

I would ask you to show me the validity of each of those books and why that is the way? Has their messiah come? Lets not forget that Jesus is a historical figure and not an elephant god (no offense)
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this thread will not be completed in a day.

thank you all for your responses i will review the information some of you have provided and continue the discussion..

thank you everyone for your participation. maybe this can become a compendium of knowledge for the unbeliever.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I've read a hundred new age "m
agickal" books and they are all EGO driven.

The Bible doesn't ask that you do anything for salvation, but that it's already given to you. That's the biggest ego killer there is, no? So, if you go by that logic, then that is a huge difference in what MAN says. Man by nature is an idiot and anything that man says to do is usually selfish and the opposite of anything good, pure or beautiful.

So a type of proof would be that it's the opposite of what man (or the world) says. So it must be divine (or at the very least the opposite of evil as we know it) And we all KNOW there's evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18758040


that sounds reasonable. but could you not say the same thing about other 'holy' books? (occult books aside)

such as:

Vinaya Pitaka

The Hindu Vedas

Qur'an

Hadith

Torah

The Kojiki

The Guru Granth Sahib

Tao Te Ching

etc..
 Quoting: Anubis

Well. You did also ask for the "validity" of the bible. You could also say that millions of people live better lives because of it.

The bottom line with the New Testament is that it has already been done for us. There's nothing else to do. Jesus is our Savior.

I would ask you to show me the validity of each of those books and why that is the way? Has their messiah come? Lets not forget that Jesus is a historical figure and not an elephant god (no offense)
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no offense taken that is a valid retort. i cannot demonstrate the validity of those other books. what i am interested in is the validity of the bible and that Jesus is my Savior and only true way to salvation. But i want to understand and accept that tenet with out bible quotes.

I'm thinking this could be a fun exercise and who knows in the end you might make a convert out of me.
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I'm sure your heart is in the right place and I have nothing to do with that. God bless
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
I've read a hundred new age "m
agickal" books and they are all EGO driven.

The Bible doesn't ask that you do anything for salvation, but that it's already given to you. That's the biggest ego killer there is, no? So, if you go by that logic, then that is a huge difference in what MAN says. Man by nature is an idiot and anything that man says to do is usually selfish and the opposite of anything good, pure or beautiful.

So a type of proof would be that it's the opposite of what man (or the world) says. So it must be divine (or at the very least the opposite of evil as we know it) And we all KNOW there's evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18758040


that sounds reasonable. but could you not say the same thing about other 'holy' books? (occult books aside)

such as:

Vinaya Pitaka

The Hindu Vedas

Qur'an

Hadith

Torah

The Kojiki

The Guru Granth Sahib

Tao Te Ching

etc..
 Quoting: Anubis

Well. You did also ask for the "validity" of the bible. You could also say that millions of people live better lives because of it.

The bottom line with the New Testament is that it has already been done for us. There's nothing else to do. Jesus is our Savior.

I would ask you to show me the validity of each of those books and why that is the way? Has their messiah come? Lets not forget that Jesus is a historical figure and not an elephant god (no offense)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18758040


no offense taken that is a valid retort. i cannot demonstrate the validity of those other books. what i am interested in is the validity of the bible and that Jesus is my Savior and only true way to salvation. But i want to understand and accept that tenet with out bible quotes.

I'm thinking this could be a fun exercise and who knows in the end you might make a convert out of me.
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Sir, NOT one Christian can prove nothing to you when it comes to salvation and they do not have the power to convert anyone.

I said this to you on another thread.
I was like you about 20 years ago, but it took an act of God to reveal His Glory and His Son Jesus as we say in English.

Peace
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
The only proof a person can have for themselves, begins with an inner-knowing that there must be some kind of Creator....and a sense of accountability to trying to understand that Creator, to live as truly righteously as possible for the sake of pleasing that Creator. To develop a hunger and thirst to know their Creator....to develop an inner honesty that tears down false perceptions about one's self and others......

Then, when one has searched with everything they have, and they can do nothing more to search.....that person is visited. That is to say, that the person is led from event to event.....from source to source..until they come to the burning bush.

When one receives this Visitation, and the Person of that Visitation calls Himself Jesus, and shows the Seeker a glimpse of reality and the scriptures....and draws the Seeker into a two-way communication....well - there is that proof.

It's a proof that is impossible for anyone else to appreciate because of it's very intimate nature. Only someone else who has been along the same Path, led by the same Voice will ever understand what such a Seeker is trying to talk about.

The rest of the world is looking for outward signs, outward evidences, but the Christ is ONLY found within the heart of the Seeker...and only after the Seeker has put the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness above all else in his/her life.
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Re: ok here is your chance christians. an opportunity to prove the validity of the bible.
There are OLGUM writings all over the US.
And it was here long before Christ was even born.

And in those writings it tells us that the LION (Jesus) shall come.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.ramtops.co.uk]

And here is the man that deciphered that stone.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Here is another one...

[link to pastinthepresent.wordpress.com]

I pasted that one those Christians who think the earth is only 6000 years old.

Want more? I have tons of other stuff that talks about Christ even before He was born.
 Quoting: Little Star


thank you LS i will explore.
 Quoting: Anubis


interesting. if the bat creek stone is genuine, it proves pre-Columbian visitations to the New World by Mediterranean peoples, but how does that underscore the notion that the Christian Bible is divinely inspired and is the one and true way to salvation?

I agree with you that human civ is older than 6,000 years however, so we can get that one out of the way.
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that sounds reasonable. but could you not say the same thing about other 'holy' books? (occult books aside)

such as:

Vinaya Pitaka

The Hindu Vedas

Qur'an

Hadith

Torah

The Kojiki

The Guru Granth Sahib

Tao Te Ching

etc..
 Quoting: Anubis

Well. You did also ask for the "validity" of the bible. You could also say that millions of people live better lives because of it.

The bottom line with the New Testament is that it has already been done for us. There's nothing else to do. Jesus is our Savior.

I would ask you to show me the validity of each of those books and why that is the way? Has their messiah come? Lets not forget that Jesus is a historical figure and not an elephant god (no offense)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18758040


no offense taken that is a valid retort. i cannot demonstrate the validity of those other books. what i am interested in is the validity of the bible and that Jesus is my Savior and only true way to salvation. But i want to understand and accept that tenet with out bible quotes.

I'm thinking this could be a fun exercise and who knows in the end you might make a convert out of me.
 Quoting: Anubis


Sir, NOT one Christian can prove nothing to you when it comes to salvation and they do not have the power to convert anyone.

I said this to you on another thread.
I was like you about 20 years ago, but it took an act of God to reveal His Glory and His Son Jesus as we say in English.

Peace
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Yes i recall that. But as a practicing Christian, is it not one of your duties to witness? I am giving you the opportunity to do this.
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The only proof a person can have for themselves, begins with an inner-knowing that there must be some kind of Creator....and a sense of accountability to trying to understand that Creator, to live as truly righteously as possible for the sake of pleasing that Creator. To develop a hunger and thirst to know their Creator....to develop an inner honesty that tears down false perceptions about one's self and others......

Then, when one has searched with everything they have, and they can do nothing more to search.....that person is visited. That is to say, that the person is led from event to event.....from source to source..until they come to the burning bush.

When one receives this Visitation, and the Person of that Visitation calls Himself Jesus, and shows the Seeker a glimpse of reality and the scriptures....and draws the Seeker into a two-way communication....well - there is that proof.

It's a proof that is impossible for anyone else to appreciate because of it's very intimate nature. Only someone else who has been along the same Path, led by the same Voice will ever understand what such a Seeker is trying to talk about.

The rest of the world is looking for outward signs, outward evidences, but the Christ is ONLY found within the heart of the Seeker...and only after the Seeker has put the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness above all else in his/her life.
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well you have me with the first two paragraphs. i agree whole heartedly on those points.

you lost me on where the visitor calls himself "jesus" and the scriptures.
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The only proof a person can have for themselves, begins with an inner-knowing that there must be some kind of Creator....and a sense of accountability to trying to understand that Creator, to live as truly righteously as possible for the sake of pleasing that Creator. To develop a hunger and thirst to know their Creator....to develop an inner honesty that tears down false perceptions about one's self and others......

Then, when one has searched with everything they have, and they can do nothing more to search.....that person is visited. That is to say, that the person is led from event to event.....from source to source..until they come to the burning bush.

When one receives this Visitation, and the Person of that Visitation calls Himself Jesus, and shows the Seeker a glimpse of reality and the scriptures....and draws the Seeker into a two-way communication....well - there is that proof.

It's a proof that is impossible for anyone else to appreciate because of it's very intimate nature. Only someone else who has been along the same Path, led by the same Voice will ever understand what such a Seeker is trying to talk about.

The rest of the world is looking for outward signs, outward evidences, but the Christ is ONLY found within the heart of the Seeker...and only after the Seeker has put the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness above all else in his/her life.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


well you have me with the first two paragraphs. i agree whole heartedly on those points.

you lost me on where the visitor calls himself "jesus" and the scriptures.
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How so?

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