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This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...

 
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This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
I just had an argument with my father about who I should vote for.

Here is some background to put this question into context.

I collect an income tax return when tax day comes around. I only pay into social security and medicare in Texas based on my taxes.

My father states that because he pays tens of thousands in taxes due to his tax bracket, he is going to vote for Romney.

My father says that every presidential election comes down to those that pay into the system through taxes and those that take out through taxes; the Democrats being the latter and the Republicans in the former in his scenario.

He says that since I don't pay into the tax system as he does(which is tens of thousands of dollars), he lives in the real world and I do not. Him being in his stated "real world", he knows the only choice for him and for others living in the "real world" is to vote for Romney, the lesser of two evils. He is aware of the lesser of two evils bit.

He even goes as far as saying that voting for Romney is voting for positive change because he will at the very least be able to save some money in taxes.

I brought up how Bush's term raised the national debt by $5 trillion. He responds by saying that Obama is raising it by $1 trillion per year.

His main sticking point is that during his years of running a business, he has had to pay less taxes under Republican presidents than democratic presidents.

If there is an argument I can convincingly counter this argument with, I would love to hear it.

Thanks for any responses.
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I agree ... with your Father!!!
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I agree ... with your Father!!!
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I am welcome to hear arguments for my father as well.
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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
"It's possible" that Syracuse University, Frank C. Laubach Collection, lost Obama Sr.'s University of Hawaii transcripts -- the ones that would show if Sr. could have met Ann in a Russian language class as the official Obama story proclaims.

"It's possible" that Obama Sr. and Ann were married in Maui, even though there is no official record of a marriage, no pictures, and no witnesses -- not even Ann's parents.

"It's possible" that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Hospital -- or was it Queens? -- even though there are no photos of a pregnant Ann or a newborn, no witnesses, no accounts of a frantic drive to the hospital or of a beaming father, let alone a legitimate birth certificate.

"It's possible" that Ann was responsible for giving the hospital all of the information found on the birth certificate, including giving Obama Sr.'s age as 25 when he was really 27.

"It's possible" that Ann didn't know Obama Sr.'s place of birth and so stated it as "Kenya, East Africa" (this is like stating "The United States, Central North America").

"It's possible" that Ann stated the race of the father as "African" when the more common appellation at the time would have been "Negro."

"It's possible" that Neil Abercrombie, now Governor of Hawaii and self-proclaimed best friend of Obama Sr., frequently saw the little family together in Hawaii despite the fact that Ann and baby Barry showed up in Seattle to stay weeks after Barry was born.

"It's possible" that Ann's doctor gave clearance for this 2,500-mile trip 15 days after giving birth to Obama, and that the airlines allowed a baby this young to fly.

"It's possible" that Ann's father, Stanley Dunham, was disappointed when Obama Sr. left Ann in June of 1962, as Abercrombie told David Remnick in his Obama biography, The Bridge, even though Stanley's daughter and grandson had left Obama Sr. ten months earlier.

"It's possible" that Obama Sr. never told his many friends studying at Hawaii's East-West Center that he was married and had a son.

"It's possible" that Ann's best friends in Seattle, Susan Blake and Maxine Box, didn't know she was enrolling as a student at the University of Washington and instead thought she was just visiting with her "pink and very new" baby in late August 1961.

"It's possible" that Susan Blake thought that Ann was on her way to visit Obama Sr. at Harvard, even though Obama Sr. didn't leave for Harvard for another 10 months.

"It's possible" that when David Maraniss interviewed Susan Blake and Maxine Box in 2008, they suddenly remembered Ann's visit taking place in the late summer of 1962, not in 1961, as they had told others.

"It's possible" that Obama Sr. didn't know his son's real name. On his immigration documents he wrote "Barack Obama 2nd," but on the birth certificate, the official name is "Barack Hussein Obama, II."

"It's possible" that Obama was given a Social Security number assigned only to people who reside in the state of Connecticut.

"It's possible" that Obama's Selective Service card's postal cancelation stamp is the only one with a two-digit date stamp for the year, as opposed to a four-digit date stamp.

"It's possible" that as a student at Harvard Law School and while president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama was never required to write anything.

"It's possible" that his literary agents when writing his biography made everything up themselves, that they guessed that his place of birth was Kenya.

"It's possible" that Dreams from My Father is the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician and that Obama actually wrote it himself, even though earlier examples of his writing include clunkers like "The belief that moribund institutions, rather than individuals are at the root of the problem, keep SAM's energies alive."

"It's possible" that Obama completely altered his writing style and wrote, as Bill Ayers described it, "a political hack book," The Audacity of Hope, after writing his masterpiece, Dreams.

"It's possible" that there is a simple explanation for all of the multiple problems experts have found in his official birth certificate posted online by the White House.

"It's possible" that there is a simple explanation for not releasing any of his school or medical records.

When you take all of the unknowns and strange circumstances surrounding Obama and his origins -- the many items that can be answered only with "It's possible" -- a logical person is left with one conclusion: the widely accepted "Story of Obama" is just not possible.
 Quoting: SkepticalTexan


enough said
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"It's possible" that Syracuse University, Frank C. Laubach Collection, lost Obama Sr.'s University of Hawaii transcripts -- the ones that would show if Sr. could have met Ann in a Russian language class as the official Obama story proclaims.

"It's possible" that Obama Sr. and Ann were married in Maui, even though there is no official record of a marriage, no pictures, and no witnesses -- not even Ann's parents.

"It's possible" that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Hospital -- or was it Queens? -- even though there are no photos of a pregnant Ann or a newborn, no witnesses, no accounts of a frantic drive to the hospital or of a beaming father, let alone a legitimate birth certificate.

"It's possible" that Ann was responsible for giving the hospital all of the information found on the birth certificate, including giving Obama Sr.'s age as 25 when he was really 27.

"It's possible" that Ann didn't know Obama Sr.'s place of birth and so stated it as "Kenya, East Africa" (this is like stating "The United States, Central North America").

"It's possible" that Ann stated the race of the father as "African" when the more common appellation at the time would have been "Negro."

"It's possible" that Neil Abercrombie, now Governor of Hawaii and self-proclaimed best friend of Obama Sr., frequently saw the little family together in Hawaii despite the fact that Ann and baby Barry showed up in Seattle to stay weeks after Barry was born.

"It's possible" that Ann's doctor gave clearance for this 2,500-mile trip 15 days after giving birth to Obama, and that the airlines allowed a baby this young to fly.

"It's possible" that Ann's father, Stanley Dunham, was disappointed when Obama Sr. left Ann in June of 1962, as Abercrombie told David Remnick in his Obama biography, The Bridge, even though Stanley's daughter and grandson had left Obama Sr. ten months earlier.

"It's possible" that Obama Sr. never told his many friends studying at Hawaii's East-West Center that he was married and had a son.

"It's possible" that Ann's best friends in Seattle, Susan Blake and Maxine Box, didn't know she was enrolling as a student at the University of Washington and instead thought she was just visiting with her "pink and very new" baby in late August 1961.

"It's possible" that Susan Blake thought that Ann was on her way to visit Obama Sr. at Harvard, even though Obama Sr. didn't leave for Harvard for another 10 months.

"It's possible" that when David Maraniss interviewed Susan Blake and Maxine Box in 2008, they suddenly remembered Ann's visit taking place in the late summer of 1962, not in 1961, as they had told others.

"It's possible" that Obama Sr. didn't know his son's real name. On his immigration documents he wrote "Barack Obama 2nd," but on the birth certificate, the official name is "Barack Hussein Obama, II."

"It's possible" that Obama was given a Social Security number assigned only to people who reside in the state of Connecticut.

"It's possible" that Obama's Selective Service card's postal cancelation stamp is the only one with a two-digit date stamp for the year, as opposed to a four-digit date stamp.

"It's possible" that as a student at Harvard Law School and while president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama was never required to write anything.

"It's possible" that his literary agents when writing his biography made everything up themselves, that they guessed that his place of birth was Kenya.

"It's possible" that Dreams from My Father is the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician and that Obama actually wrote it himself, even though earlier examples of his writing include clunkers like "The belief that moribund institutions, rather than individuals are at the root of the problem, keep SAM's energies alive."

"It's possible" that Obama completely altered his writing style and wrote, as Bill Ayers described it, "a political hack book," The Audacity of Hope, after writing his masterpiece, Dreams.

"It's possible" that there is a simple explanation for all of the multiple problems experts have found in his official birth certificate posted online by the White House.

"It's possible" that there is a simple explanation for not releasing any of his school or medical records.

When you take all of the unknowns and strange circumstances surrounding Obama and his origins -- the many items that can be answered only with "It's possible" -- a logical person is left with one conclusion: the widely accepted "Story of Obama" is just not possible.
 Quoting: SkepticalTexan


enough said
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I don't disagree that there are questions to be asked.
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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
i can't tell you what to do, op
but i can tell you that i believe we have souls
and that the decisions we make and what we consciously choose to support is very important on a spiritual level
so, i ask, do morally support, with your heart, what obama has been doing and will likely do? same with romney?
your soul sees a bigger picture
well beyond this lesser of two evils bs we get
if you're willing to say, "yes, i support the murder of innocent children" under whichever puppet you "choose"
then that's cool, that's your choice
but if you don't, don't do it
don't vote
or vote 3rd party
your vote really means nothing
it's a totally rigged system
that's why we have electronic machines and no paper trail
but, they want you to vote
to participate
because in doing so you are giving your consent
no matter who you vote for
you know they are going to do harmful unjust things to other human beings
the blood is on the hands of ALL those who support them
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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
i can't tell you what to do, op
but i can tell you that i believe we have souls
and that the decisions we make and what we consciously choose to support is very important on a spiritual level
so, i ask, do morally support, with your heart, what obama has been doing and will likely do? same with romney?
your soul sees a bigger picture
well beyond this lesser of two evils bs we get
if you're willing to say, "yes, i support the murder of innocent children" under whichever puppet you "choose"
then that's cool, that's your choice
but if you don't, don't do it
don't vote
or vote 3rd party
your vote really means nothing
it's a totally rigged system
that's why we have electronic machines and no paper trail
but, they want you to vote
to participate
because in doing so you are giving your consent
no matter who you vote for
you know they are going to do harmful unjust things to other human beings
the blood is on the hands of ALL those who support them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19551540


I believe sort of the way you believe. That if we vote for someone who wins and they take murderous action, we have that murderous action on our hands. However, I firmly believe that voting for a trustworthy candidate is not in the least a negative action. We still have the opportunity to vote 3rd party by paper.

I did it two years ago when I ran for precinct chair. I know it's not rigged because I was running against the SREC of my area and I lost by only 15 votes.

We do have a say in voting whether we want to believe it or not.

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Some things are better left never discussed with family.
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Some things are better left never discussed with family.
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You might be right. I, however, believe that politics is the only thing that is right to be discussed by the family.

Society is a malleable idea and to react otherwise is rejecting your influence upon society.
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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
I just had an argument with my father about who I should vote for.

Here is some background to put this question into context.

I collect an income tax return when tax day comes around. I only pay into social security and medicare in Texas based on my taxes.

My father states that because he pays tens of thousands in taxes due to his tax bracket, he is going to vote for Romney.

My father says that every presidential election comes down to those that pay into the system through taxes and those that take out through taxes; the Democrats being the latter and the Republicans in the former in his scenario.

He says that since I don't pay into the tax system as he does(which is tens of thousands of dollars), he lives in the real world and I do not. Him being in his stated "real world", he knows the only choice for him and for others living in the "real world" is to vote for Romney, the lesser of two evils. He is aware of the lesser of two evils bit.

He even goes as far as saying that voting for Romney is voting for positive change because he will at the very least be able to save some money in taxes.

I brought up how Bush's term raised the national debt by $5 trillion. He responds by saying that Obama is raising it by $1 trillion per year.

His main sticking point is that during his years of running a business, he has had to pay less taxes under Republican presidents than democratic presidents.

If there is an argument I can convincingly counter this argument with, I would love to hear it.

Thanks for any responses.
 Quoting: Rebelucio


Your father is correct, because it's always the Democrats that want to raise taxes. That's practically their mantra - More new taxes! And they are the ones who keep talking about wanting to end the Bush tax cuts. The Republicans are fighting them on that and trying to stand firm. Of course then the Republicans get accused of not 'cooperating' and 'causing gridlock' in Congress. But I'm crossing my fingers, that the Congress as well as the President becomes Republican because I hate having my hard earned money going to fight more wars and hiring more incompetent dictatorial government bureaucrats.
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Democrats raise taxes to pay for the shit. Republicans cut taxes and borrow to pay for the shit. With the democrats you only pay once. With republicans you pay decades of interest, then the principal you borrowed.

Ask your father which one makes more business sense to him. Of course he won't give a fuck because the debt will be paid by you and not him. Tell him that he's an ingorant selfish fuck stealing money from the rest of you to improve his own personal bottom line and to go fuck himself.

Then you can make up by discussing smaller government as the way to less borrowing and less taxes and he'll be happy with you again until you mention cutting defense spending.
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Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion annual deficit from Bush. To maintain the government at Bushes levels he was already in the hole for 5.2 trillion over 4 years (1.3*4). The only way to get out of that kind of a deficit is to do something radical like gutting these agencies:

Department of Health and Human Services $630,728,730,692
Social Security Administration 555,716,495,966
Department of Defense 313,527,249,932
Department of Homeland Security 249,867,135,482
Department of Education 89,419,093,779
Department of Energy 42,903,865,141
Department of Agriculture 41,230,698,859
Department of Transportation 41,032,079,314
Department of Housing and Urban Development 38,917,578,332
Department of Veterans Affairs 18,120,352,606

Cutting any of these agencies funding would also cut jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You're dad is enjoying those extra tax dollars at the expense of future generations.
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Democrats raise taxes to pay for the shit. Republicans cut taxes and borrow to pay for the shit. With the democrats you only pay once. With republicans you pay decades of interest, then the principal you borrowed.

Ask your father which one makes more business sense to him. Of course he won't give a fuck because the debt will be paid by you and not him. Tell him that he's an ingorant selfish fuck stealing money from the rest of you to improve his own personal bottom line and to go fuck himself.

Then you can make up by discussing smaller government as the way to less borrowing and less taxes and he'll be happy with you again until you mention cutting defense spending.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19753826


He doesn't pay. He can't be listed as one of the "stolen from". Didn't you read the op?

Oh that's right, you're obviously blinded by socialism.
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Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion annual deficit from Bush. To maintain the government at Bushes levels he was already in the hole for 5.2 trillion over 4 years (1.3*4). The only way to get out of that kind of a deficit is to do something radical like gutting these agencies:

Department of Health and Human Services $630,728,730,692
Social Security Administration 555,716,495,966
Department of Defense 313,527,249,932
Department of Homeland Security 249,867,135,482
Department of Education 89,419,093,779
Department of Energy 42,903,865,141
Department of Agriculture 41,230,698,859
Department of Transportation 41,032,079,314
Department of Housing and Urban Development 38,917,578,332
Department of Veterans Affairs 18,120,352,606

Cutting any of these agencies funding would also cut jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You're dad is enjoying those extra tax dollars at the expense of future generations.
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A lot of those need to be gutted. Some shut down completely.


You forgot the EPA.


And the justice dept.

I also see that you left the affordable care act out of your little Obama pitty party. Cbo bumped it up to a cool 2.6 trillion.

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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion annual deficit from Bush. To maintain the government at Bushes levels he was already in the hole for 5.2 trillion over 4 years (1.3*4). The only way to get out of that kind of a deficit is to do something radical like gutting these agencies:

Department of Health and Human Services $630,728,730,692
Social Security Administration 555,716,495,966
Department of Defense 313,527,249,932
Department of Homeland Security 249,867,135,482
Department of Education 89,419,093,779
Department of Energy 42,903,865,141
Department of Agriculture 41,230,698,859
Department of Transportation 41,032,079,314
Department of Housing and Urban Development 38,917,578,332
Department of Veterans Affairs 18,120,352,606

Cutting any of these agencies funding would also cut jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You're dad is enjoying those extra tax dollars at the expense of future generations.
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NOT IF ITS RETURNED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, which always creates more jobs per dollar than the public sector
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the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion annual deficit from Bush. To maintain the government at Bushes levels he was already in the hole for 5.2 trillion over 4 years (1.3*4). The only way to get out of that kind of a deficit is to do something radical like gutting these agencies:

Department of Health and Human Services $630,728,730,692
Social Security Administration 555,716,495,966
Department of Defense 313,527,249,932
Department of Homeland Security 249,867,135,482
Department of Education 89,419,093,779
Department of Energy 42,903,865,141
Department of Agriculture 41,230,698,859
Department of Transportation 41,032,079,314
Department of Housing and Urban Development 38,917,578,332
Department of Veterans Affairs 18,120,352,606

Cutting any of these agencies funding would also cut jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You're dad is enjoying those extra tax dollars at the expense of future generations.
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NOT IF ITS RETURNED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, which always creates more jobs per dollar than the public sector
 Quoting: bvndy


:jaynod:


Competition. Privatize the DMV and those bitchy cows would he gone in a new york minute.
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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion annual deficit from Bush. To maintain the government at Bushes levels he was already in the hole for 5.2 trillion over 4 years (1.3*4). The only way to get out of that kind of a deficit is to do something radical like gutting these agencies:

Department of Health and Human Services $630,728,730,692
Social Security Administration 555,716,495,966
Department of Defense 313,527,249,932
Department of Homeland Security 249,867,135,482
Department of Education 89,419,093,779
Department of Energy 42,903,865,141
Department of Agriculture 41,230,698,859
Department of Transportation 41,032,079,314
Department of Housing and Urban Development 38,917,578,332
Department of Veterans Affairs 18,120,352,606

Cutting any of these agencies funding would also cut jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You're dad is enjoying those extra tax dollars at the expense of future generations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1195793


A lot of those need to be gutted. Some shut down completely.


You forgot the EPA.


And the justice dept.

I also see that you left the affordable care act out of your little Obama pitty party. Cbo bumped it up to a cool 2.6 trillion.

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


2.6 trillion over a decade which is 260 billion a year for something people actually benefit from. People will get cared for regardless of who's paying the bill. Should our society condemn the sick to a death sentence?

EPA is 10 billion a year, DoJ is 28 billion a year. We're still spending nearly 700 billion a year for military and defense which is ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is, if we want to keep spending this much money on defense then we need to increase taxes. Bush started 2 wars and lowered taxes. The poor and middle class are struggling right now, the simplest solution is to tax the rich who happen to have done really well for themselves the last few decades.

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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion annual deficit from Bush. To maintain the government at Bushes levels he was already in the hole for 5.2 trillion over 4 years (1.3*4). The only way to get out of that kind of a deficit is to do something radical like gutting these agencies:

Department of Health and Human Services $630,728,730,692
Social Security Administration 555,716,495,966
Department of Defense 313,527,249,932
Department of Homeland Security 249,867,135,482
Department of Education 89,419,093,779
Department of Energy 42,903,865,141
Department of Agriculture 41,230,698,859
Department of Transportation 41,032,079,314
Department of Housing and Urban Development 38,917,578,332
Department of Veterans Affairs 18,120,352,606

Cutting any of these agencies funding would also cut jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You're dad is enjoying those extra tax dollars at the expense of future generations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1195793


NOT IF ITS RETURNED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, which always creates more jobs per dollar than the public sector
 Quoting: bvndy


:jaynod:


Competition. Privatize the DMV and those bitchy cows would he gone in a new york minute.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


The private sector would computerize everything and those jobs would be gone forever. IT might enjoy the gravy train for a while but once the software is stable they'll get cut to a skeleton crew.
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Re: This is a legitimate question from me about Mitt Romney...
i can't tell you what to do, op
but i can tell you that i believe we have souls
and that the decisions we make and what we consciously choose to support is very important on a spiritual level
so, i ask, do morally support, with your heart, what obama has been doing and will likely do? same with romney?
your soul sees a bigger picture
well beyond this lesser of two evils bs we get
if you're willing to say, "yes, i support the murder of innocent children" under whichever puppet you "choose"
then that's cool, that's your choice
but if you don't, don't do it
don't vote
or vote 3rd party
your vote really means nothing
it's a totally rigged system
that's why we have electronic machines and no paper trail
but, they want you to vote
to participate
because in doing so you are giving your consent
no matter who you vote for
you know they are going to do harmful unjust things to other human beings
the blood is on the hands of ALL those who support them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19551540


I believe sort of the way you believe. That if we vote for someone who wins and they take murderous action, we have that murderous action on our hands. However, I firmly believe that voting for a trustworthy candidate is not in the least a negative action. We still have the opportunity to vote 3rd party by paper.

I did it two years ago when I ran for precinct chair. I know it's not rigged because I was running against the SREC of my area and I lost by only 15 votes.

We do have a say in voting whether we want to believe it or not.
 Quoting: Rebelucio


i should have specified the rigged national elections. i agree w/you local elections with a paper trail.

but, you already have your answer. i bolded it for the more dense readers. :)

and just look at many of the other posts...$$$$$$....
they want them frns
blood money spends like anything else to those who prefer not to think deeply about their personal roles in this world or who simply don't care
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ROmney will be Bush 3, but that's better than Stalin.

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