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I keep the Sabbath, but Ellen White is a murdering false prophet
I keep the 7th day sabbath. But I am not a Seventh Day Adventist. I think it is a cult and probably controlled by the catholic church for the most part. Few SDA churches ever talk about what is going on in government. I talked to members of a few and half of them voted Obama last election. Almost all SDA churches are 501c entities. We are never to get permits or licenses from the government to preach God’s word because government has no authority to tell man whether they can or cannot preach God’s word.

Not to mention, Ellen White had a failed prophecy about the end times, even though she should have known from reading the Bible that these events were not going to happen in her lifetime because certain things hadn’t taken place yet.

Mrs. White and her followers claim that she had the “spirit of prophecy” from December 1844, to the end of her life, August 1915, seventy-one years. The deadly wound wasn’t healed until 1929 when the Lateran Treaty was signed. Also Israel wasn’t made a nation again yet. There were many unfulfilled events of the Bible still yet to occur. So it was very PREMATURE to make such statements.

“I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: Some food for worms, some subject to the last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus .” (Vol.1, p.131).

NOTE: This statement was made in 1856

and every one present in that meeting is now dead . Obviously, this was a false prophecy. Some SDA’s, in trying to extricate themselves from the dilemma of this false statement, have argued that had God’s people been faithful the Lord would have come long ago. But this excuse will not hold water, because God knew ahead of time what would happen. And Mrs. White made no conditions for the fulfillment of her prophecy. Her statement is plain and to the point.

At this time, the beast of Revelation 13 had not had its “deadly wound healed”. That didn’t happen until 1929 with the signing of the Lateran Treaty which made the Vatican a sovereign country. There was still plenty of OTHER prophecies to be fulfilled. Ellen White, if she was a prophet, had no excuse for getting this wrong. She flat out LIED.

Also she wrote in the Testimonies that people should not use quinine, which is a NATURAL substance that GOD made. And it can save people from dying of malaria. And Ellen White’s own son reported about going to a SDA mission and was told a father refused to give his child quinine because White told him not to, even though everyone around him said it would cure his son. And he said he refused to give it because of the testimonies of Mrs White.


“Mercury, calomel, and quinine have brought their amount of wretchedness, which the day of God alone will fully reveal.” Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 4A, p. 139

Sadly, some Adventists took her seriously and forbid those who were suffering from Malaria from using quinine. Her son W.C. White wrote the following in a letter:


“One time while we were in Australia, a brother who had been acting as a missionary in the islands, told mother of the sickness and death of his first-born son. He was seriously afflicted with malaria, and his father was advised to give him quinine, but in view of the counsel in the testimonies to avoid the use of quinine he refused to administer it, and his son died.” (–W. C. White letter, September 10, 1935)



To me, she is a murdering false prophet.

The devil uses Ellen White to discredit the Seventh Day Adventists. And since most people associate sabbath keepers with SDA, it discredits keeping the sabbath, because most people find an error of White and realize she is a false prophet (prophets in the bible have to be 100% correct), and wind up throwing out the baby (the Sabbath) with the bathwater (false teachings of Ellen White).

The Sabbath is an important commandment because it is the one commandment which actually identitfies who God is. No other commandment can you learn about who God is. The Sabbath commandment speaks of the God who created everything in 6 days and rested the seventh.

And even logic should tell you these Sunday churches are harlots.

Who rests the first day? You haven’t done anything, so why are you resting? That sounds like a sluggard and a slothful lazy person.

It makes more sense to rest the LAST day after a week of activity.

Also the 7th day is the only sanctified day in the bible. So why get together and worship God on Sunday which isn’t sanctified? Why not worship a Holy God on a sanctified day?

Logic also tells you the devil does the OPPOSITE of God. God teaches a love for good., Devil wants you to love evil. A person who wears an upside down cross is considered rebellious and offensive to christians.

The Sabbath is the LAST day of the week. Sunday is the FIRST day of the week. Sunday is the OPPOSITE of the sabbath.

The the 7th day sabbath is the one commendment which identifies who God is and is what makes the other 9 commandments relevant. Because if you don’t believe the God of the Bible made everything in six days and rested the 7th, then what good is the rest of the Bible? If He is not the Creator, why care about the other 9 commandments?



And while “Sunday christians” will say things like “We don’t have to keep any particular day” why do they pick Sunday? Why pick the one day that is the complete opposite of the God given Sabbath?



I have other articles on this site that quote history books so you can see christians were gathering on the sabbath.

[link to www.theprotestantview.com]

[link to www.theprotestantview.com]
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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
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Shabath (sabbath) is lunar, not cyclical.
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Yep..gotta agree.

Ellen white was a complete idiot..cant fault ya there...

But then..so are you.
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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
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The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Pretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.

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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
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The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Oretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.
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You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
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The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Oretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.
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You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
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Why don't you teach us the truth then or can you ?
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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
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The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Oretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.
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You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
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Why don't you teach us the truth then or can you ?
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I am not a teacher, nor a preacher. Do study on your own. I told you already what I believe.
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The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Oretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth


You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Why don't you teach us the truth then or can you ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16982290


I am not a teacher, nor a preacher. Do study on your own. I told you already what I believe.
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Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
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Why don't you teach us the truth then or can you ?
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I am not a teacher, nor a preacher. Do study on your own. I told you already what I believe.
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Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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Why don't you teach us the truth then or can you ?
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I am not a teacher, nor a preacher. Do study on your own. I told you already what I believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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You are welcome.
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You Khazar's are going to get one big hell of a surprise soon . You think you can conceal the truth from God's elect ? Foolish man .
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Why don't you teach us the truth then or can you ?
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I am not a teacher, nor a preacher. Do study on your own. I told you already what I believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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You are welcome.
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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I am not a teacher, nor a preacher. Do study on your own. I told you already what I believe.
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Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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You are welcome.
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
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Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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You are welcome.
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
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There is no light in you . Anyone who holds back wisdom from a fellow Christian does not have the Spirit inside him . Shame on you !
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You are welcome.
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
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There is no light in you . Anyone who holds back wisdom from a fellow Christian does not have the Spirit inside him . Shame on you !
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What is wrong with you being not able to do research on internet?

[link to www.lunarsabbath.info]
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
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There is no light in you . Anyone who holds back wisdom from a fellow Christian does not have the Spirit inside him . Shame on you !
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What is wrong with you being not able to do research on internet?

[link to www.lunarsabbath.info]
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I already have another page open on it and am researching it as we speak !
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Looks like you are bullshitter then , just as I thought . I will find a decent teacher on the net , thanks for nothing !
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You are welcome.
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
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Pagans keep Sunday. There is not a single piece of scripture telling you to gather on Sunday.

It is a day NEVER sanctified by the Bible.

So why are you picking Sunday to worship God on? Cause it is YOUR choice, because there is not one piece of scripture telling you to do so.

God tells us not to judge any man in the keeping of a holy day or a sabbath. But God never said a word about not keeping THE SABBATH.

The Sabbath actually identifies who God is. It is the ONLY commandment that tells you who the Creator is and why you should keep any of the other 9 commandments.

So it seems like the one commandment which is the biggest deal to break. No wonder people use to be put to death for breaking it. It took me a long time to understand why God would want people put to death for breaking the Sabbath.

I remember reading that as a child and thinking "Wow, that is pretty harsh. Seems almost wrong to put someone to death for breaking it."

But it doesn't seem like such a harsh penalty when you figure out how the Sabbath ties into all the commandments deeply.

Also when you keep a different day, you are bearing FALSE witness. The Sun didn't create anything. God created EVERYTHING. And we keep the SABBATH in rememberance that GOD created EVERYTHING.


Not only that, but the word for Sabbath existed in many languages before there was ever a Jewish people.

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You are welcome.
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16982290


The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Pagans keep Sunday. There is not a single piece of scripture telling you to gather on Sunday.

It is a day NEVER sanctified by the Bible.

So why are you picking Sunday to worship God on? Cause it is YOUR choice, because there is not one piece of scripture telling you to do so.

God tells us not to judge any man in the keeping of a holy day or a sabbath. But God never said a word about not keeping THE SABBATH.

The Sabbath actually identifies who God is. It is the ONLY commandment that tells you who the Creator is and why you should keep any of the other 9 commandments.

So it seems like the one commandment which is the biggest deal to break. No wonder people use to be put to death for breaking it. It took me a long time to understand why God would want people put to death for breaking the Sabbath.

I remember reading that as a child and thinking "Wow, that is pretty harsh. Seems almost wrong to put someone to death for breaking it."

But it doesn't seem like such a harsh penalty when you figure out how the Sabbath ties into all the commandments deeply.

Also weh you keep a different day, you are bearing FALSE witness. The Sun didn't create anything. God created EVERYTHING. And we keep the SABBATH in rememberance that GOD created EVERYTHING.


Not only that, but the word for Sabbath existed in many languages before there was ever a Jewish people.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth



"... the fact that the sabbath varied from day to day depending on the new moon. Always calculting it from the appearance of the new moon placed in on a different day each month. This is how the Hebrews were instructed to calculate the sabbath by God. So this discussion about whether the sabbath is Sat or Sun is ridiculous. It could be and was/is any day of the week if calculated correctly."
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Woe to you for holding back truth in YHWH's name !
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Pagans keep Sunday. There is not a single piece of scripture telling you to gather on Sunday.

It is a day NEVER sanctified by the Bible.

So why are you picking Sunday to worship God on? Cause it is YOUR choice, because there is not one piece of scripture telling you to do so.

God tells us not to judge any man in the keeping of a holy day or a sabbath. But God never said a word about not keeping THE SABBATH.

The Sabbath actually identifies who God is. It is the ONLY commandment that tells you who the Creator is and why you should keep any of the other 9 commandments.

So it seems like the one commandment which is the biggest deal to break. No wonder people use to be put to death for breaking it. It took me a long time to understand why God would want people put to death for breaking the Sabbath.

I remember reading that as a child and thinking "Wow, that is pretty harsh. Seems almost wrong to put someone to death for breaking it."

But it doesn't seem like such a harsh penalty when you figure out how the Sabbath ties into all the commandments deeply.

Also weh you keep a different day, you are bearing FALSE witness. The Sun didn't create anything. God created EVERYTHING. And we keep the SABBATH in rememberance that GOD created EVERYTHING.


Not only that, but the word for Sabbath existed in many languages before there was ever a Jewish people.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth



"... the fact that the sabbath varied from day to day depending on the new moon. Always calculting it from the appearance of the new moon placed in on a different day each month. This is how the Hebrews were instructed to calculate the sabbath by God. So this discussion about whether the sabbath is Sat or Sun is ridiculous. It could be and was/is any day of the week if calculated correctly."
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No jewish or Jewish scholar I know teach your unbiblical teaching.

The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Pretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?

A new moon did not change the day of the week, no more than if tomorrow became december.

Let's say today is thursday. Even if tomorrow was December, everyone on earth would still know it is Friday (the 6th day of the week). It would be the 1st day of December, but would still be the 6th day of the week (Friday).

The moon was to help divide periods of time. But it was never was used to tell the start of a week, only the start of a new month.

Now there are lesser sabbaths in the bible that are based on other things beside the 7 day week. But the 7th day Sabbath was always observed every 7 days by the jewish people and there is no record otherwise. And sometimes they had 2 sabbaths in one week. But the lesser sabbath never marked the end of the week.

And these lesser sabbaths are sabbaths the Bible says not to judge a man for not keeping.

But it makes absolutely no sense to disregard the weekly sabbath commandment when it IDENTIFIES who the creator is, and gives us the reason to keep the other 9 in the first place.
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The Khazars keep saturdays, I think. Unlike me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Pagans keep Sunday. There is not a single piece of scripture telling you to gather on Sunday.

It is a day NEVER sanctified by the Bible.

So why are you picking Sunday to worship God on? Cause it is YOUR choice, because there is not one piece of scripture telling you to do so.

God tells us not to judge any man in the keeping of a holy day or a sabbath. But God never said a word about not keeping THE SABBATH.

The Sabbath actually identifies who God is. It is the ONLY commandment that tells you who the Creator is and why you should keep any of the other 9 commandments.

So it seems like the one commandment which is the biggest deal to break. No wonder people use to be put to death for breaking it. It took me a long time to understand why God would want people put to death for breaking the Sabbath.

I remember reading that as a child and thinking "Wow, that is pretty harsh. Seems almost wrong to put someone to death for breaking it."

But it doesn't seem like such a harsh penalty when you figure out how the Sabbath ties into all the commandments deeply.

Also weh you keep a different day, you are bearing FALSE witness. The Sun didn't create anything. God created EVERYTHING. And we keep the SABBATH in rememberance that GOD created EVERYTHING.


Not only that, but the word for Sabbath existed in many languages before there was ever a Jewish people.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth



"... the fact that the sabbath varied from day to day depending on the new moon. Always calculting it from the appearance of the new moon placed in on a different day each month. This is how the Hebrews were instructed to calculate the sabbath by God. So this discussion about whether the sabbath is Sat or Sun is ridiculous. It could be and was/is any day of the week if calculated correctly."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


No jewish or Jewish scholar I know teach your unbiblical teaching.

The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Pretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?

A new moon did not change the day of the week, no more than if tomorrow became december.

Let's say today is thursday. Even if tomorrow was December, everyone on earth would still know it is Friday (the 6th day of the week). It would be the 1st day of December, but would still be the 6th day of the week (Friday).

The moon was to help divide periods of time. But it was never was used to tell the start of a week, only the start of a new month.

Now there are lesser sabbaths in the bible that are based on other things beside the 7 day week. But the 7th day Sabbath was always observed every 7 days by the jewish people and there is no record otherwise. And sometimes they had 2 sabbaths in one week. But the lesser sabbath never marked the end of the week.

And these lesser sabbaths are sabbaths the Bible says not to judge a man for not keeping.

But it makes absolutely no sense to disregard the weekly sabbath commandment when it IDENTIFIES who the creator is, and gives us the reason to keep the other 9 in the first place.
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Every jewish month begins with a new moon. The month begins anew with a new week. What would be the point of beginning the month without beginning a new week?
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The Sabbath was only given to the Israelites. It was not meant for anyone before them or after them.

Worship on any day of the week you like. Most people choose Sundays because of tradition and nothing else. And people worship on different days of the week as well, especially Wednesdays.

So worship God but don't get hung up on the day of the week.
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The Sabbath was only given to the Israelites.
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So was the Messiah.
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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
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The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Oretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth


You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
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Woah, woah, hold up a moment there buckaroo. The Torah is NOT Pharisaical. Don't confuse the Laws of YHWH with the traditions of men, aka the Talmud.

Two TOTALLY different beasts.
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Pagans keep Sunday. There is not a single piece of scripture telling you to gather on Sunday.

It is a day NEVER sanctified by the Bible.

So why are you picking Sunday to worship God on? Cause it is YOUR choice, because there is not one piece of scripture telling you to do so.

God tells us not to judge any man in the keeping of a holy day or a sabbath. But God never said a word about not keeping THE SABBATH.

The Sabbath actually identifies who God is. It is the ONLY commandment that tells you who the Creator is and why you should keep any of the other 9 commandments.

So it seems like the one commandment which is the biggest deal to break. No wonder people use to be put to death for breaking it. It took me a long time to understand why God would want people put to death for breaking the Sabbath.

I remember reading that as a child and thinking "Wow, that is pretty harsh. Seems almost wrong to put someone to death for breaking it."

But it doesn't seem like such a harsh penalty when you figure out how the Sabbath ties into all the commandments deeply.

Also weh you keep a different day, you are bearing FALSE witness. The Sun didn't create anything. God created EVERYTHING. And we keep the SABBATH in rememberance that GOD created EVERYTHING.


Not only that, but the word for Sabbath existed in many languages before there was ever a Jewish people.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth



"... the fact that the sabbath varied from day to day depending on the new moon. Always calculting it from the appearance of the new moon placed in on a different day each month. This is how the Hebrews were instructed to calculate the sabbath by God. So this discussion about whether the sabbath is Sat or Sun is ridiculous. It could be and was/is any day of the week if calculated correctly."
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No jewish or Jewish scholar I know teach your unbiblical teaching.

The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Pretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?

A new moon did not change the day of the week, no more than if tomorrow became december.

Let's say today is thursday. Even if tomorrow was December, everyone on earth would still know it is Friday (the 6th day of the week). It would be the 1st day of December, but would still be the 6th day of the week (Friday).

The moon was to help divide periods of time. But it was never was used to tell the start of a week, only the start of a new month.

Now there are lesser sabbaths in the bible that are based on other things beside the 7 day week. But the 7th day Sabbath was always observed every 7 days by the jewish people and there is no record otherwise. And sometimes they had 2 sabbaths in one week. But the lesser sabbath never marked the end of the week.

And these lesser sabbaths are sabbaths the Bible says not to judge a man for not keeping.

But it makes absolutely no sense to disregard the weekly sabbath commandment when it IDENTIFIES who the creator is, and gives us the reason to keep the other 9 in the first place.
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Every jewish month begins with a new moon. The month begins anew with a new week. What would be the point of beginning the month without beginning a new week?
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Well said. Note, the Shabath is not for everyone as pointed out in a post above.
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The Torah is NOT Pharisaical
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Agreed. I did not assert the opposite. Your misunderstanding.
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Sabbath is lunar, not cyclical.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326



The Sabbath is not lunar. Read Genesis.

Oretty simple to figure it out. Tell me how you get your understanding from Genesis chapter 1 and 2?


The moon was used the way we record months. We have numbered the days in our months. But they don't always fall on the same week day.

For instance, I could be born on the 11th moon and the 5th day of that month. The 5th day of the 11th moon might be what we call "wednesday".

But the 5th day of 7th moon that year could have been on a Monday.

So the WEEKDAYS the 5th falls on each moon differ. Just like the current monthly calender we use. You can change the numbers all you want, but the days always fall in the same order: SUnday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

The Jewish week has ALWAYS been the same. Every Jewish scholar will tell you that, it is always a 7 day week.

They have some holiday sabbaths that occur during the week. But they always acknowledge the 7 day week cycle and THE SABBATH that is every 7 days. Nothing changes their 7 day cycle.
 Quoting: liquidsmooth


You follow the Parisees and their traditions. Not good.
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Woah, woah, hold up a moment there buckaroo. The Torah is NOT Pharisaical. Don't confuse the Laws of YHWH with the traditions of men, aka the Talmud.

Two TOTALLY different beasts.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Actually, you're the one confused. The Thurah dictates and evidences a lunar Shabath. Men (research Hillel II, the "last sanhedrin") instituted the fixed sabbath calendar (around 360 c.e./a.d.).
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The Sabbath was only given to the Israelites.
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So was the Messiah.
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Yes, Jesus was raised a jewish and did what no jewish was able to do. Follow the Law perfectly. The Law was a tutor which reminded the jewish people that they were sinners and not able to keep the Law perfectly. That is why it was there. Jesus fulfilled the Law and then instituted a new one called the Law of the Christ which is based on LOVE. No longer were people enslaved to the Mosaic Law. We now have a savior in Jesus Christ. We could not save ourselves. And many who were once jewish people left to follow Jesus hence becoming Christians and were no long under compulsion to follow the Law because they had a new one that was better than the old one. Again, the Law of the Christ.
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The Sabbath was only given to the Israelites.
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So was the Messiah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Yes, Jesus was raised a jewish and did what no jewish was able to do. Follow the Law perfectly. The Law was a tutor which reminded the jewish people that they were sinners and not able to keep the Law perfectly. That is why it was there. Jesus fulfilled the Law and then instituted a new one called the Law of the Christ which is based on LOVE. No longer were people enslaved to the Mosaic Law. We now have a savior in Jesus Christ. We could not save ourselves. And many who were once jewish people left to follow Jesus hence becoming Christians and were no long under compulsion to follow the Law because they had a new one that was better than the old one. Again, the Law of the Christ.
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'raised a jewish'
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The Torah is NOT Pharisaical
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Agreed. I did not assert the opposite. Your misunderstanding.
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Perhaps I am. I was merely reacting to your statement that the OP was following Pharisaical traditions by observing the Shabbat.

The Pharisee are now known as Hasidic jewish people or Orthodox jewish people. Those guys in the black suits, funny hats and curly sideburns as long as they can grow them.

Those dudes are following a stack of rules that are nearly impossible to adhere to, it's really sad. You'd be amazed as some of the insane things they believe are "Sin".

I guess I should make sure to include my usual disclaimer: I do not disobey, but I also do not judge. Sure, I've had my moments where I have judged others, I'm so far from perfect it's laughable. I know that it's grace that has saved my ass, not my works, lest anyone else state otherwise. My works are nothing more than my showing my love and obedience to my Deity and nothing more.

How others determine their path to Him is between them and the Elohim. None of my business. However, that said, I do reserve my right to express my own beliefs in discussion.
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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The Sabbath was only given to the Israelites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


So was the Messiah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Yes, Jesus was raised a jewish and did what no jewish was able to do. Follow the Law perfectly. The Law was a tutor which reminded the jewish people that they were sinners and not able to keep the Law perfectly. That is why it was there. Jesus fulfilled the Law and then instituted a new one called the Law of the Christ which is based on LOVE. No longer were people enslaved to the Mosaic Law. We now have a savior in Jesus Christ. We could not save ourselves. And many who were once jewish people left to follow Jesus hence becoming Christians and were no long under compulsion to follow the Law because they had a new one that was better than the old one. Again, the Law of the Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


'raised a jewish'
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well, it looks like I am not able to spell out J* E* W so that is why my sentence looks funny.
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The Sabbath was only given to the Israelites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


So was the Messiah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Yes, Jesus was raised a jewish and did what no jewish was able to do. Follow the Law perfectly. The Law was a tutor which reminded the jewish people that they were sinners and not able to keep the Law perfectly. That is why it was there. Jesus fulfilled the Law and then instituted a new one called the Law of the Christ which is based on LOVE. No longer were people enslaved to the Mosaic Law. We now have a savior in Jesus Christ. We could not save ourselves. And many who were once jewish people left to follow Jesus hence becoming Christians and were no long under compulsion to follow the Law because they had a new one that was better than the old one. Again, the Law of the Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


'raised a jewish'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Funny, you attempt to solidify your position by mocking the GLP FILTER that changed the word J.E.W. to "jewish".

Oh you're showing that you feel you're on shakey ground, brother.
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Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.

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