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Evidence of Jesus, Heaven, and Hell, as described in the Bible.

 
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Man attempts suicide. Has a near death experience. Goes to hell. Felt creatures ripping into him, and his flesh burning. After the NDE, returns to church regularly.

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that would not happen
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
-Revelation 21:4
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an all knowing and all loving god wouldn't have created the world if he knew beforehand that billions of people would be left to suffer in hell for all eternity.
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you are illogical.

axiom: only.---i repeat.---ONLY God is perfect.
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Acts 4: 9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Daniel 12: 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
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"A respiratory nurse who works in an emergency room told me about a patient who had gone “code red” – he flat lined. She and some other medical personnel rushed over with the defibrillator to try and bring him back to life. They applied the paddles and revived him. She said that he started screaming and shouting “the heat, the heat!” then his heart stopped again. They brought him back a second time. He shouted “The flames, the flames!” They lost him again. Four times the man flat lined and was brought back, each time shouting about the heat or the flames. After the last time, he died and they could not bring him back. She said all the doctors and nurses just stood there for a few minutes and stared at the body. They all knew that man went to hell."

- Mark Cahill – Book: One Heartbeat Away – markcahill.org
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Yes, there are indeed past life stories. I'm still looking into this. Here's the trap, that most people will now fall into, that I will elaborate upon, in a future post. Let me first ask, what do you know about angels?
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A few months ago, before waking up, I got stuck into Hypnopompic state (a trance-like state between sleep and awake).
Gregorian Chant sounded in the backround, and (I don't know who "it" was) a male echoy voice told me that "angels" and "demons" were "support REPS". I took that as a pun for REPTILIANS.
Then "I" (my voice sounded different) replied: "hey can you turn on the MUTE? If I keep hearing voices like that when I wake up I'm going to go insane".
I heard "OK". Voices were off, and I woke up.

Extremely weird experience!...
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"support REPS" -> support representatives? Makes sense, if these were angels. Demons, will deceive you, and ultimately drag you to hell. Demons will often give half-truths, so the message you receive (if it wasn't constructed from your own subconscious beliefs), was probably from an evil / lying / demonic source.
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Has a near death experience. Goes to hell. Felt creatures ripping into him, and his flesh burning.
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According to the Tibetian book of the Dead, what you experience "after death" is a creation of your own mind, like you are creating a new universe and enter it, sort of deal (so they train hard to experience a common thing on purpose)

So these claims of "after death" experiences aren't proof of anything specific to any religion, or every single religion is correct in it's after-life belief, based on how strongly the dying person has wrapped that belief into a shapable after-life experience.
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Has a near death experience. Goes to hell. Felt creatures ripping into him, and his flesh burning.
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According to the Tibetian book of the Dead, what you experience "after death" is a creation of your own mind, like you are creating a new universe and enter it, sort of deal (so they train hard to experience a common thing on purpose)

So these claims of "after death" experiences aren't proof of anything specific to any religion, or every single religion is correct in it's after-life belief, based on how strongly the dying person has wrapped that belief into a shapable after-life experience.
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That doesn't explain the multiple atheists, who don't believe in hell, are still seeing hell.

That doesn't explain the account of the Buddhist, who also saw hell, and his fellow monks burning. After this experience, he converted to Christianity.

Nor does it explain, the Muslims, who also had a near death experience, and also saw hell. He also converts to Christianity after the experience.

This being merely a product of beliefs, doesn't explain the multiple accounts, of people who comes across verifiable information. For example, one lady how had a NDE, floats to the top of a hospital, and then sees a single shoe. After her NDE, she then confirms this shoe was actually there (there's many more cases like this).
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Has a near death experience. Goes to hell. Felt creatures ripping into him, and his flesh burning.
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According to the Tibetian book of the Dead, what you experience "after death" is a creation of your own mind, like you are creating a new universe and enter it, sort of deal (so they train hard to experience a common thing on purpose)

So these claims of "after death" experiences aren't proof of anything specific to any religion, or every single religion is correct in it's after-life belief, based on how strongly the dying person has wrapped that belief into a shapable after-life experience.
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If you use a Tibetian book as the basis for your theory, why not use the bible? Is there fulfilled prophecy in your book?
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Daniel 12: 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
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8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
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A demon speaks through a possessed girl, and states it fears being burned in hell, and that Jesus, will have many sinners, including the demon, to be burned in hell.

Some signs of a legit possession; leviation, the person having access to unknown information, that can later be verified, speaking fluently in a different language, etc.
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A lady while having a NDE, also confirms the existence of hell.
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Surely hell is when a christian dies and realises that there is no heaven?

(Naturally this is moot as when you die, properly that it, all thought processes cease so no realisation would actually occur.)
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"You desperately long for even a few moments of rest, but you never, ever get that privilege. Imagine for a moment how terrible you feel after forty eight hours of no sleep. In hell you never sleep, rest or find a quiet moment. No rest from the torments, the screams, the fear, the thirst, the lack of breath, the stench, the heat, the hopelessness. You are isolated from contact with any other people".

- Bill Wiese – Book: 23 Minutes in Hell - Bill's Testimony on video
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bs. If it were all true. Why didn't he lose weight?(purity)
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U can hear the demon at 1:07
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For convenience, here's all the parts of the Demon vid:








The demon mentions its fear of being burned, along with other sinners in hell, in part 3.
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If you watch the vid above, the possessed girl, knew of very specific and detailed information, that was impossible for her to know, that defies reason and logic.

If you study demonic possession, this is one sign of true and legitimate possession.
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"Then out of nowhere, a car was coming at us at high speed, running the light. I remember my friend yelling, “Oh my God!” - just before the car hit us. I left my body. I started going down this long, dark tunnel. It was dark … so dark. I knew I was dead and I was going to hell. You couldn’t even see the hand in front of your face. I was yelling, “I don’t want to go yet! I don’t want to go yet!” I’m falling farther and farther away from the little light at the top of the tunnel above me.

Out of the dark things began grabbing at me. Long fingernails began to grab me and claw at me, trying to pull me into them. I kept screaming, “No! I don’t want to go yet!” Their grotesque mouths were open wide and their teeth were gnashing at me." - Debra McFarland
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"You desperately long for even a few moments of rest, but you never, ever get that privilege. Imagine for a moment how terrible you feel after forty eight hours of no sleep. In hell you never sleep, rest or find a quiet moment. No rest from the torments, the screams, the fear, the thirst, the lack of breath, the stench, the heat, the hopelessness. You are isolated from contact with any other people".

- Bill Wiese – Book: 23 Minutes in Hell - Bill's Testimony on video
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And we *know* it's true because it's in a best-selling book =D
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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"Then out of nowhere, a car was coming at us at high speed, running the light. I remember my friend yelling, “Oh my God!” - just before the car hit us. I left my body. I started going down this long, dark tunnel. It was dark … so dark. I knew I was dead and I was going to hell. You couldn’t even see the hand in front of your face. I was yelling, “I don’t want to go yet! I don’t want to go yet!” I’m falling farther and farther away from the little light at the top of the tunnel above me.

Out of the dark things began grabbing at me. Long fingernails began to grab me and claw at me, trying to pull me into them. I kept screaming, “No! I don’t want to go yet!” Their grotesque mouths were open wide and their teeth were gnashing at me
." - Debra McFarland
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Nothing to do with cerebral anoxia eh?
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"I experienced a deep hopelessness and horror. Separation is hopelessness! External separation is a torment beyond belief. I want you to know there is a place established somewhere that is eternal separation. I was permitted to not only see, but to experience the feeling of what it would be like to be in this eternal separation. And I began to cry out to God". - Mickey Robinson
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eternal separation
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If we're going by scripture, it no such state exists. Psalm 139 says God is even in "hell" (sheol), and Revelation 14 says those in the lake of fire are in the presence of the Lamb. No separation whatsoever.
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eternal separation
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If we're going by scripture, it no such state exists. Psalm 139 says God is even in "hell" (sheol), and Revelation 14 says those in the lake of fire are in the presence of the Lamb. No separation whatsoever.
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The way I interpret this, is that in a sense or at one level, yes they are separated. But perhaps due to God's omniscience, or maybe even omnipresent, the people in hell could still be observed, or be in their presence. Another consideration, is that those who are separated, will feel, and won't consciously know that God is present. Similar to how we feel now, of being separate from God, but He can still see and observe us.

Also this scripture:
Abraham told the rich man, "between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' (Luke 16:26).

So, we see how one can be separated, but yet still be observed.
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an all knowing and all loving god wouldn't have created the world if he knew beforehand that billions of people would be left to suffer in hell for all eternity.
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you are illogical.

axiom: only.---i repeat.---ONLY God is perfect.
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So God being "PERFECT"..as in NO darkness..or cruelty..or spite or revenge..gives GOD the RIGHT to burn BILLIONS of people alive forever with NO MERCY in a NEVER ENDING SPITEFUL REVENGE...in a WELL PLANNED and THOUGHT OUT HELL he CREATED..JUST for that purpose?

Can anyone say..

BATSHIT CRAZY?
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an all knowing and all loving god wouldn't have created the world if he knew beforehand that billions of people would be left to suffer in hell for all eternity.
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you are illogical.

axiom: only.---i repeat.---ONLY God is perfect.
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So God being "PERFECT"..as in NO darkness..or cruelty..or spite or revenge..gives GOD the RIGHT to burn BILLIONS of people alive forever with NO MERCY in a NEVER ENDING SPITEFUL REVENGE...in a WELL PLANNED and THOUGHT OUT HELL he CREATED..JUST for that purpose?

Can anyone say..

BATSHIT CRAZY?
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May I ask why, you don't return to being a JW. So they got a prophecy wrong, is the sole reason you left. Or is there other reasons for leaving?
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Also this scripture:
Abraham told the rich man, "between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' (Luke 16:26).

So, we see how one can be separated, but yet still be observed.
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They were apparently separated from each other, but not from God. Big difference.

More importantly, this story was a parable. If it were a literal account of afterlife, the most obvious question is why is the Rich Man having a conversation instead of screaming uncontrollably? He's on fire. Secondly, why does he request a mere fingertip of water? And for his tongue? If his tongue is the first thing he wants extinguished, how is he even speaking? How does he even have a tongue? If he's dead, his inanimate body is lying motionless in some kind of grave.

What were his sins? Jesus never tells us, so it doesn't make for a very legitimate warning. He merely says the guy was well-dressed and well-fed, criteria which actually apply to most American christians.

Our rich guy here is Judah, with five brothers. The whole chapter is about stewardship - the accountability of the priesthood for what they did with what they were given. They failed severely, setting themselves up a nice little racket instead of blessing the people.

Meanwhile, some say that the Lazarus of the story is actually a reference to Abraham's steward Eliezar, who faithfully worked himself out of Abe's inheritance by obtaining a bride for Isaac. He chose obedience to his master over personal gain - a major contrast with the Pharisees.

But, if it were somehow the same Lazarus who Jesus raised from the dead, why does the story show him as a beggar? His sister was apparently rich. . .she's the one who anointed Jesus with the ointment that cost something like a year's wages. Was she holding out on him? And their sister Martha owned a home, where she hosted Jesus at least once.

This story is a *parable*. Matthew 13 and Mark 4 both tell us that Jesus didn't teach without parables.
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an all knowing and all loving god wouldn't have created the world if he knew beforehand that billions of people would be left to suffer in hell for all eternity.
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you are illogical.

axiom: only.---i repeat.---ONLY God is perfect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1139115


So God being "PERFECT"..as in NO darkness..or cruelty..or spite or revenge..gives GOD the RIGHT to burn BILLIONS of people alive forever with NO MERCY in a NEVER ENDING SPITEFUL REVENGE...in a WELL PLANNED and THOUGHT OUT HELL he CREATED..JUST for that purpose?

Can anyone say..

BATSHIT CRAZY?
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May I ask why, you don't return to being a JW. So they got a prophecy wrong, is the sole reason you left. Or is there other reasons for leaving?
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Cause they treat people the same as christians do.

With condescending smug arrogance and cruelty.

Do the slightest thing wrong and you are DISFELLOWSHIPPED..by either group....they are just as evil and selfish as eachother...for the same reasons.

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