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If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?

 
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If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Delenda est Carthago!
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:) [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Xbox would be better than Playsation?..
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Just imagine if the Romans were defeated, and the city of Rome conquered by the Carthaginian army...

The Italian peninsula becoming part of the Carthaginian empire...

Cool...
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
If that happened, Rome would never have conquered Judea.

Pilatos would not be there to order Jesus to be crucified!
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
After Cannae it might have been possible but probably not. Carthage had a big peace lobby, Rome wouldn't even ransom their prisoners.
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Different. Duh.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Pontius Pilatus (known in the English-speaking world as Pontius Pilate), was the fifth Prefect of the Roman province of Judaea, from AD 26–36. He is best known as the judge at Jesus' trial and the man who authorized the crucifixion of Jesus. As prefect, he served under Emperor Tiberius.


Well... Forget that...

No Romans in Judaea...

And no Diaspora...
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A much better place.
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The Jewishes would have had find something else to whine and bitch about!
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
The Library of Alexandria, with all its knowledge of the ancient world, would still be with us today, and all the math, astronomy, etc. other cultures have claimed to invent since would still rightfully be credited to the Pheonicians, (who were probably the Tuatha De Dannan of Ireland). We would probably still have some form of Christianity because there is more of old Briton in that than many realise. I don't know about railroads, because the width of the rails wouldn't be based on roman roads that were based on roman chariot width which was two horses ass' wide, I'm not sure that would be the same? Hard to say if we would be better off as human beings, intellect and commerce if Rome had been defeated. Hmmmm NO LATIN!!!!! Or latin based languages and no latino racial catagory? Of course "Pheonician" used to mean "greek" but was generally known as a sea faring race from the Mediterranean, it is believed they explored the African and American coastlines but it will require finding a vessel in order to prove it.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
People would say: "When in Carthage, do as the Carthaginians do,"
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I am woefully ignorant on what could be the answer to this question, but damned if it isn't a interesting hypothetical!
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
People would say: "When in Carthage, do as the Carthaginians do,"
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And there would be no Roman Catholic Church.
There might a Carthaginian Catholic Church, and as the Carthaginians practised child sacrifice and were very cruel (at least as cruel as the Romans), I don't know if that would be so good.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
The Romans did have some child sacrifice as was detailed in the wikipedia articles on the Punic wars, but maybe not as extensive as the Carthagenians.

On the other hand the Phoenicians were said to have been fair traders that would unload their cargo on beaches and then wait for the natives to leave enough gold to pay for it.

They were more traders it appears than Imperialists and Conquerers as the Romans were.

The final destruction of Carthage by the Romans was extremely cruel, tens of thousands starved to death and the rest either died in battle or were taken as slaves. Romans were like Nazis. The eventual collapse of Rome was a blessing but they put in place the Holy Roman Empire in its place, as a new intellectual way to enslave the world.

It is really hard to see how a Phoenician dominated Europe could have been worse than the Roman version. The whole history of what the Romans did is totally disgusting, gangsters ruling the world.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Great question and thread. For one, we'd probably worship elephants, if their use in the Punic War had been successful. :)
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Most of the major ports around the Mediterranean Sea were founded by Phoenicians.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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People would say: "When in Carthage, do as the Carthaginians do,"
 Quoting: Northman


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Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
In American classes on general ancient western civilization, we're told only 3 things about Phoenicians: 1) They were great sailors, 2) They had an alphabet, and 3) They had purple dye.

It's a tragedy that we're told so little about such an advanced and far-reaching culture.
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Who said the Phoenicians were defeated?


The Rig Veda, A History Showing how the Phoenicians had their earliest home in India.


Read more: The Rig Veda, A History Showing how the Phoenicians had their earliest home in India. [link to phoenicia.org]
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Re: If the Phoenicians from Carthage had defeated the Roman Empire, what would the world be like now?
Who said the Phoenicians were defeated?


The Rig Veda, A History Showing how the Phoenicians had their earliest home in India.


Read more: The Rig Veda, A History Showing how the Phoenicians had their earliest home in India. [link to phoenicia.org]
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^^^^^ THIS

and THIS:
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