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Floridians say they want Stand Your Ground law to stay

 
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Floridians say they want Stand Your Ground law to stay
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin and argued the Stand Your Ground law, saying he was protecting himself, the application of the law came under question and scrutiny. Despite the controversy, though, most Floridians say they think the law shouldn't be changed.

According to a Tampa Bay Times, Bay News 9 exclusive statewide poll, 64 percent of registered voters said they support the law, and even almost half of those who say they oppose it say they would really just like to see it modified. Only 18 percent of those polled said they want to see the law repealed.

The law, which was passed in 2005, says a person is justified to use deadly force to defend himself/herselt if he/she reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

A citizen has no duty to retreat, and if it is determined that the use of force was justified, he/she is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. The Stand Your Ground law does not apply if the victim initially provokes the use of force of if used in a felony crime.

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We wouldn't NEED this law if we were an OPEN CARRY state. Maybe that's what we oughta go after....

And we wouldn't NEED to be an OPEN CARRY state if there weren't ASSHOLES wandering around trying to rob and steal and kill.
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They should. Not being allowed to "stand your ground" means not being allowed to defend yourself at all no matter whether you use a gun, a knife, a stick, or your bare hands.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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They should. Not being allowed to "stand your ground" means not being allowed to defend yourself at all no matter whether you use a gun, a knife, a stick, or your bare hands.
 Quoting: Resister


Exactly.

Why anyone thinks we should be legally required to be a helpless victim is beyond me.
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Sector conditioning is 36% complete. 36% of test subjects would rather allow themselves to be victimized and rely on monetary settlements and corporate bureaucracy for justice than to take up their inalienable right to protect their own person with deadly force.

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We wouldn't NEED this law if we were an OPEN CARRY state. Maybe that's what we oughta go after....

And we wouldn't NEED to be an OPEN CARRY state if there weren't ASSHOLES wandering around trying to rob and steal and kill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17455716


that would just lead to feral animals shooting you in the back before you had a chance to dazzle them with your amazing fastdraw fire techniques.

if no one knows you carry , and everyone assumes , every one carries , its a lot safer .
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When 28-year-old George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin and argued the Stand Your Ground law, saying he was protecting himself, the application of the law came under question and scrutiny. Despite the controversy, though, most Floridians say they think the law shouldn't be changed.

According to a Tampa Bay Times, Bay News 9 exclusive statewide poll, 64 percent of registered voters said they support the law, and even almost half of those who say they oppose it say they would really just like to see it modified. Only 18 percent of those polled said they want to see the law repealed.

The law, which was passed in 2005, says a person is justified to use deadly force to defend himself/herselt if he/she reasonably believes such force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

A citizen has no duty to retreat, and if it is determined that the use of force was justified, he/she is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. The Stand Your Ground law does not apply if the victim initially provokes the use of force of if used in a felony crime.

[link to www.baynews9.com]
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This whole media buzz about Trayvon Martin is just the latest attempt from TPTB to impose fear on people in an effort to take our guns away.

But remember... Guns didnt kill Trayvon. Zimmerman did.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

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That says the majority also believes George Zimmerman is innocent of murder. They know.......

[link to quickfacts.census.gov]
[link to www.cga.ct.gov]

(notice the ratios are nearly reverse identical across races concerning crime violent enough to warrant incarceration)

FLORIDA 2011 RACE POPULATION RATIO:

Not in Prison:
4.76 white per 1 black
21% black, 79% white

In Prison:
4.4 black per 1 white
22% white, 78% black


These are facts! This country needs a Nation Negro Reformation Act - NNRA
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Hell yeah it should stay!

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Question - Do pens misspell words?

As a Floridian I also want the "Stand your ground" law to stay.

Way too many ppl have made up their mind about Zimmerman and Travon based on what they hear on the news. Let the legal process work its way through first. I know our legal system is not perfect, I've had first hand experiance. But ppl are way too quick to judge someone or something without all the facts.

Personally,if Zimmermans account of what happened is true, then he's innocent. Regardless of how many times Travons lawyers go on TV and say Zimmerman chased down a kid and shot him in the heart. If that "kid" was over six feet tall, wasnt chased but followed, and if the "kid" was the first to throw a punch and was acctually pounding his head into the sidewalk. I dont care if he was carring skiddles or a bible back from sunday school.

But again, I dont know ALL of the FACTs. So I'll wait to make my final determination.

I also dont think we should have open carry. Although I like the idea in concept, its true that it would just lead to too many issues.
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And it will, after all it's the people who should have the final say in these matters.

The liberal fucking media needs to re learn that, hey wise em to think what they want should take precedence.
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Re: Floridians say they want Stand Your Ground law to stay
We wouldn't NEED this law if we were an OPEN CARRY state. Maybe that's what we oughta go after....

And we wouldn't NEED to be an OPEN CARRY state if there weren't ASSHOLES wandering around trying to rob and steal and kill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17455716


that would just lead to feral animals shooting you in the back before you had a chance to dazzle them with your amazing fastdraw fire techniques.

if no one knows you carry , and everyone assumes , every one carries , its a lot safer .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19859342


You give the moran bad guys WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT.

Most anyone who criticizes open carry is a blind sheople asshole that knows nothing of "carry", period.

Is that you? If not, my appologies, but, there are very many tactical advantages to open carry, just as there are many tactical advantages to concealed carry.

Is open carry better or is concealed carry better? Making that judgement is simply one step beyond saying NO CARRY IS BETTER.

No man, no law , no government (city state or local) has the moral authority to tell you how to carry. Since they can't protect you and you have that responsibility HOW DARE THEY EVEN BREATH A WORD ABOUT HOW YOU SHOULD CARRY.

Summary: ITS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS HOW I CARRY MY SELF DEFENSE TOOLS.

That being said, I prefer concealed carry at times, open carry others. You people who do carry and attempt to say weshould have laws to prevent open carry are just one step from being like the people that want no carry!!!

Its my life and my safety. HOW FUCKING DARE ANY OF YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL ME HOW I CARRY!

The fact that I carry *CONCEALED* most of the time doesn't make me any less angry.

People need to understand the difference betwee the authority for a government to tell you something and the authority to actually enforce it. Most of you lame brains think its the same. It is not. Crawl back under your rock and go watch your American Idle (Yes "IDLE"...).
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Yep, I just wanted to add that I live in Florida too, and that I want all 2nd Amendment rights, including all of our state laws concerning eminent domain and stand your ground to remain in tact.

There are lots of criminals in Florida who are well armed and active, and we shouldnt lose our rights to protect ourselves.

That being said, I live in NW Florida beaches, and violent crime isnt as bad here as it is down south, and I also dont want to scare off tourists because almost all of our crime is residential and mostly drug violence related. The criminals here know not to mess with tourists unless they want 10-20-LIFE, and have to complete 85% of their sentence.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

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Fuck Yeah we want to keep it!!!!!
There'll be an increase in shovel sales if not!
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good law, should be kept
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stand your groun chuckle
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This whole media buzz about Trayvon Martin is just the latest attempt from TPTB to impose fear on people in an effort to take our guns away.

But remember... Guns didnt kill Trayvon. Zimmerman did.
 Quoting: chris999


Actually, I think Trayvon did.
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This whole media buzz about Trayvon Martin is just the latest attempt from TPTB to impose fear on people in an effort to take our guns away.

But remember... Guns didnt kill Trayvon. Zimmerman did.
 Quoting: chris999


Actually, I think Trayvon did.
 Quoting: Bluepill


I dont know what happened there, but I think that the media is trying to crucifix Zimmerman, and then I think that the courts will dismiss the charges to try and spark more racial tensions.

My personal opinion is that what happened that night could be aggravated manslaughter which will mean that Zimmerman will serve about 20 years in Florida. 16 years if good behavior.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

-Galileo Galilei
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This whole media buzz about Trayvon Martin is just the latest attempt from TPTB to impose fear on people in an effort to take our guns away.

But remember... Guns didnt kill Trayvon. Zimmerman did.
 Quoting: chris999


Actually, I think Trayvon did.
 Quoting: Bluepill


I dont know what happened there, but I think that the media is trying to crucifix Zimmerman, and then I think that the courts will dismiss the charges to try and spark more racial tensions.

My personal opinion is that what happened that night could be aggravated manslaughter which will mean that Zimmerman will serve about 20 years in Florida. 16 years if good behavior.
 Quoting: chris999


This is the Trayvon that attacked Zimmerman.

THUG

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We wouldn't NEED this law if we were an OPEN CARRY state. Maybe that's what we oughta go after....

And we wouldn't NEED to be an OPEN CARRY state if there weren't ASSHOLES wandering around trying to rob and steal and kill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17455716


that would just lead to feral animals shooting you in the back before you had a chance to dazzle them with your amazing fastdraw fire techniques.

if no one knows you carry , and everyone assumes , every one carries , its a lot safer .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19859342


You give the moran bad guys WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT.

Most anyone who criticizes open carry is a blind sheople asshole that knows nothing of "carry", period.

Is that you? If not, my appologies, but, there are very many tactical advantages to open carry, just as there are many tactical advantages to concealed carry.

Is open carry better or is concealed carry better? Making that judgement is simply one step beyond saying NO CARRY IS BETTER.

No man, no law , no government (city state or local) has the moral authority to tell you how to carry. Since they can't protect you and you have that responsibility HOW DARE THEY EVEN BREATH A WORD ABOUT HOW YOU SHOULD CARRY.

Summary: ITS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS HOW I CARRY MY SELF DEFENSE TOOLS.

That being said, I prefer concealed carry at times, open carry others. You people who do carry and attempt to say weshould have laws to prevent open carry are just one step from being like the people that want no carry!!!

Its my life and my safety. HOW FUCKING DARE ANY OF YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL ME HOW I CARRY!

The fact that I carry *CONCEALED* most of the time doesn't make me any less angry.

People need to understand the difference betwee the authority for a government to tell you something and the authority to actually enforce it. Most of you lame brains think its the same. It is not. Crawl back under your rock and go watch your American Idle (Yes "IDLE"...).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3228853


DUDE!!!

Chill out.
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That says the majority also believes George Zimmerman is innocent of murder. They know.......

[link to quickfacts.census.gov]
[link to www.cga.ct.gov]

(notice the ratios are nearly reverse identical across races concerning crime violent enough to warrant incarceration)

FLORIDA 2011 RACE POPULATION RATIO:

Not in Prison:
4.76 white per 1 black
21% black, 79% white

In Prison:
4.4 black per 1 white
22% white, 78% black


These are facts! This country needs a Nation Negro Reformation Act - NNRA
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Really?

If you're not black, then maybe take up philanthropy and live amongst them in any inner city of your picking.

Try Philadelphia or Chicago. Or better yet, how about Miami.

There is a reason why so many are in prison.

And its in their nature: [link to www.vice.com]

Any self Governed black society is more or less a complete failure. Stop blaming others for the indiscretions of a particular groups or race.

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The truth is too many black ppl (young black ppl) are deeply in love with the idea of being a gangsta.. rappers and movies show the gangsta life style and being cool..

rap songs that glorify being a thug and having hoes and shit.

if the rolemodels were doctors and lawyers and teachers they would aspire to be something other then a gang banger hoping to make it big in the rap scene

everyone wants to have gold teeth and be lil wayne..
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And BTW, I'm 110% for the Stand Your Ground law.
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The truth is too many black ppl (young black ppl) are deeply in love with the idea of being a gangsta.. rappers and movies show the gangsta life style and being cool..

rap songs that glorify being a thug and having hoes and shit.

if the rolemodels were doctors and lawyers and teachers they would aspire to be something other then a gang banger hoping to make it big in the rap scene

everyone wants to have gold teeth and be lil wayne..
 Quoting: Honest Joe 1491988


That's like saying every white person wants to be politican or rich wall street type who robs from the people through legislation.

Glad thugs are around to tick off your crowd you make the planet a billion times worse than any thug ever could.
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:stand your groun: chuckle
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Quit spamming that stupid shit!

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