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36% of Fukushima children have abnormal growths from Radiation!

 
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36% of Fukushima children have abnormal growths from Radiation!
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I can't believe they are not evacuating??!!??

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We have reached a global level of apathy.
Welcome to crisis is normal.
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We have reached a global level of apathy.
Welcome to crisis is normal.
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There is no way I would stay with my family. I hope the radiation isn't going to other nearby areas.
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Scary.
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Re: 36% of Fukushima children have abnormal growths from Radiation!
Actually it says 36% of the children...not births...

"Of more than 38,000 children tested from the Fukushima Prefecture in Japan, 36 percent have abnormal growths – cysts or nodules – on their thyroids only a year after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, as reported by ENENews.

The shocking numbers come from the thyroid examination section of the "Sixth Report of Fukushima Prefecture Health Management Survey," published by Fukushima Radioactive Contamination Symptoms Research (FRCSR) and translated by the blog Fukushima Voice."

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Actually it says 36% of the children...not births...

"Of more than 38,000 children tested from the Fukushima Prefecture in Japan, 36 percent have abnormal growths – cysts or nodules – on their thyroids only a year after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, as reported by ENENews.

The shocking numbers come from the thyroid examination section of the "Sixth Report of Fukushima Prefecture Health Management Survey," published by Fukushima Radioactive Contamination Symptoms Research (FRCSR) and translated by the blog Fukushima Voice."

[link to www.businessinsider.com]
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Thanks for the correction. That is even worse!
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Evacuee: Fukushima hospital worker says 5 out of 7 babies were born with birth defect, Down’s syndrome, or lost by miscarriage — After this, husband agreed to evacuate

[link to enenews.com]
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how credible is the news source - anyone know?

This is truly terrible news and should be all over the media channels. What have things come to when this goes unreported to the wider masses. Shameful.
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how credible is the news source - anyone know?

This is truly terrible news and should be all over the media channels. What have things come to when this goes unreported to the wider masses. Shameful.
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Business Insider is VERY credible. CEO is on CNBC often.
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I think we've know for a while that someone isn't looking out for OUR best interests.
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how credible is the news source - anyone know?

This is truly terrible news and should be all over the media channels. What have things come to when this goes unreported to the wider masses. Shameful.
 Quoting: FreedomFox


Business Insider is VERY credible. CEO is on CNBC often.
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It is disgusting that the media are keeping it from getting wider coverage. Everyone who cares should be spreading it to all they know though social media channels. People need to wake up to the sorry state of how things are in the world.
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how credible is the news source - anyone know?

This is truly terrible news and should be all over the media channels. What have things come to when this goes unreported to the wider masses. Shameful.
 Quoting: FreedomFox


Business Insider is VERY credible. CEO is on CNBC often.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748204


It is disgusting that the media are keeping it from getting wider coverage. Everyone who cares should be spreading it to all they know though social media channels. People need to wake up to the sorry state of how things are in the world.
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There's has been a near total news blackout on the topic since they realized what a catastrophe this really is!
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Horrible.

Japan sustained the equivalent of a limited nuclear war on their soil. It should be treated as such.
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The study comparison is flawed.

The 2001 study only accounts for nodules 5mm or greater. You can see this if you click thru to the research abstract at [link to docs.google.com (secure)] that is referenced by ENEnews, the source that Business Insider uses.

The 2012 study accounts for all nodule sizes, both over and under 5mm. Also, in the intervening decade, ultrasound detection has become more accurate as equipment resolution increased. So the 2001 study cannot be compared on the same playing field as the 2012 study since many nodules may have been missed in 2001.

While I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in thyroid cysts in Japanese children, just a cursory glance at the cited sources shows that comparing 0.8% to 36% in the case of these two studies is like comparing apples and oranges.
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The study comparison is flawed.

The 2001 study only accounts for nodules 5mm or greater. You can see this if you click thru to the research abstract at [link to docs.google.com (secure)] that is referenced by ENEnews, the source that Business Insider uses.

The 2012 study accounts for all nodule sizes, both over and under 5mm. Also, in the intervening decade, ultrasound detection has become more accurate as equipment resolution increased. So the 2001 study cannot be compared on the same playing field as the 2012 study since many nodules may have been missed in 2001.

While I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in thyroid cysts in Japanese children, just a cursory glance at the cited sources shows that comparing 0.8% to 36% in the case of these two studies is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Shill Alert! whatever
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Re: 36% of Fukushima children have abnormal growths from Radiation!
The study comparison is flawed.

The 2001 study only accounts for nodules 5mm or greater. You can see this if you click thru to the research abstract at [link to docs.google.com (secure)] that is referenced by ENEnews, the source that Business Insider uses.

The 2012 study accounts for all nodule sizes, both over and under 5mm. Also, in the intervening decade, ultrasound detection has become more accurate as equipment resolution increased. So the 2001 study cannot be compared on the same playing field as the 2012 study since many nodules may have been missed in 2001.

While I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in thyroid cysts in Japanese children, just a cursory glance at the cited sources shows that comparing 0.8% to 36% in the case of these two studies is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Shill Alert! whatever
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Mm, I would be more concerned about the fact that over 1/3 of living breathing children in the area have nodules, not whether a 0.5 here or a 1.5 there might be off a little bit.
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[...]

Fiscal Year 2011 Thyroid Examination Summary (as of the end of March, 2012)

[...] breakdown by size of nodules [...]

Of 38,114 examined, 37,729 (19,036 boys and 18,693 girls) had no nodules.
201 had nodules graded A2, smaller than 5.0 mm.
184 had nodules graded B, larger than 5.0 mm.
[...]


Source is the same Blog,
looks like a Decimal Error.

We need to ask what Size is "normal"
and we need more Data to compare the Results!

I go with the Doc who done this Research,
'No Problem' but i think also that we need to
keep an Eye on it!

We should not make the Mistake to cut
this Children for a further Research!
(that would be the next Step, a Tissue Specimen)
G.Y.!B.E.
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And that is why they have developed high tech scanners to tell you when something is wrong with a fetus so you don't end up with a "fallujah baby", remember this isn't just the usual radioactive iodine/ceasium nuclear disaster, this is plutonium and teh govt of Japan knew these refugees were being sent directly into the path of the fallout plume. It IS genocide but the whole world is focused on three yahoos in a speedboat in the Syraits of Hormuz. A Chernobyl doctor was amazed that signs of thyroid damage had appeared in as little as six months in Japanese children that took three years to manifest in Chernobyl children. It doesn't look good for the Pacific Northwest if anyone is actually investigating. But now with Obamacare, increased abortion and govt control of data, you will have nothing to worry about, because they won't tell you.5a
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The study comparison is flawed.

The 2001 study only accounts for nodules 5mm or greater. You can see this if you click thru to the research abstract at [link to docs.google.com (secure)] that is referenced by ENEnews, the source that Business Insider uses.

The 2012 study accounts for all nodule sizes, both over and under 5mm. Also, in the intervening decade, ultrasound detection has become more accurate as equipment resolution increased. So the 2001 study cannot be compared on the same playing field as the 2012 study since many nodules may have been missed in 2001.

While I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in thyroid cysts in Japanese children, just a cursory glance at the cited sources shows that comparing 0.8% to 36% in the case of these two studies is like comparing apples and oranges.
 Quoting: Robot Emotions


Shill Alert! whatever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748204


Op. is Silly and should not call every Critique
"Shillism", we need the Truth but People
like the Op. just want Headlines,
Yellow Journalism!
G.Y.!B.E.
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*As a U.S. citizen, he served from 1968 to 1970 as a Senior Surgeon of the United States Public Health Service. He was recruited in 1974 by the University of South Alabama to establish one of the first free-standing Departments of Medical Genetics in the nation, at the emerging USA College of Medicine.


Geneticist charts effects of nuclear disasters
[link to blog.al.com]

[snip]

"It is not the scale of a nuclear accident itself that makes a human disaster it is the response by officials afterward and the public panic produced. The public should not be treated as idiots and told only the 'good half' of the story, as is often done by official agencies. People have the right to know, the need to believe those who are in charge."

Wertelecki believes that the often-made comparisons of Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daiichi outcomes with those that followed the atomic bomb explosions at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are wrong.

The impact of the bombs was external radiation, which was intense but short-lived, said the physician. The impact of Chernobyl and Fukushima-Daiichi is ongoing and radiation still in the environment is inhaled or swallowed, leading to accumulation in the body. One mushroom eaten in affected areas may deliver as much radiation as hundreds of chest x-rays, he concluded.
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*As a U.S. citizen, he served from 1968 to 1970 as a Senior Surgeon of the United States Public Health Service. He was recruited in 1974 by the University of South Alabama to establish one of the first free-standing Departments of Medical Genetics in the nation, at the emerging USA College of Medicine.


Geneticist charts effects of nuclear disasters
[link to blog.al.com]

[snip]

"It is not the scale of a nuclear accident itself that makes a human disaster it is the response by officials afterward and the public panic produced. The public should not be treated as idiots and told only the 'good half' of the story, as is often done by official agencies. People have the right to know, the need to believe those who are in charge."

Wertelecki believes that the often-made comparisons of Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daiichi outcomes with those that followed the atomic bomb explosions at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are wrong.

The impact of the bombs was external radiation, which was intense but short-lived, said the physician. The impact of Chernobyl and Fukushima-Daiichi is ongoing and radiation still in the environment is inhaled or swallowed, leading to accumulation in the body. One mushroom eaten in affected areas may deliver as much radiation as hundreds of chest x-rays, he concluded.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


Scary stuff!
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[...]

Fiscal Year 2011 Thyroid Examination Summary (as of the end of March, 2012)

[...] breakdown by size of nodules [...]

Of 38,114 examined, 37,729 (19,036 boys and 18,693 girls) had no nodules.
201 had nodules graded A2, smaller than 5.0 mm.
184 had nodules graded B, larger than 5.0 mm.
[...]


Source is the same Blog,
looks like a Decimal Error.

We need to ask what Size is "normal"
and we need more Data to compare the Results!

I go with the Doc who done this Research,
'No Problem' but i think also that we need to
keep an Eye on it!

We should not make the Mistake to cut
this Children for a further Research!
(that would be the next Step, a Tissue Specimen)
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*As a U.S. citizen, he served from 1968 to 1970 as a Senior Surgeon of the United States Public Health Service. He was recruited in 1974 by the University of South Alabama to establish one of the first free-standing Departments of Medical Genetics in the nation, at the emerging USA College of Medicine.


Geneticist charts effects of nuclear disasters
[link to blog.al.com]

[snip]

"It is not the scale of a nuclear accident itself that makes a human disaster it is the response by officials afterward and the public panic produced. The public should not be treated as idiots and told only the 'good half' of the story, as is often done by official agencies. People have the right to know, the need to believe those who are in charge."

Wertelecki believes that the often-made comparisons of Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daiichi outcomes with those that followed the atomic bomb explosions at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are wrong.

The impact of the bombs was external radiation, which was intense but short-lived, said the physician. The impact of Chernobyl and Fukushima-Daiichi is ongoing and radiation still in the environment is inhaled or swallowed, leading to accumulation in the body. One mushroom eaten in affected areas may deliver as much radiation as hundreds of chest x-rays, he concluded.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


Scary stuff!
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Bio-accumulation.. up the food chain...
We are at the top.. for now.

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The study comparison is flawed.

The 2001 study only accounts for nodules 5mm or greater. You can see this if you click thru to the research abstract at [link to docs.google.com (secure)] that is referenced by ENEnews, the source that Business Insider uses.

The 2012 study accounts for all nodule sizes, both over and under 5mm. Also, in the intervening decade, ultrasound detection has become more accurate as equipment resolution increased. So the 2001 study cannot be compared on the same playing field as the 2012 study since many nodules may have been missed in 2001.

While I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in thyroid cysts in Japanese children, just a cursory glance at the cited sources shows that comparing 0.8% to 36% in the case of these two studies is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Nodule size is irrelevent. There shouldn't be any nodules.
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er so what ? they shit in their nest , they can live it. we can't afford decent dental coverage for a lot of american children , why should we take in a bunch of expensive to help children from japan ? fuck em , try retroactive abortion you ignorant slant eyed pricks
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er so what ? they shit in their nest , they can live it. we can't afford decent dental coverage for a lot of american children , why should we take in a bunch of expensive to help children from japan ? fuck em , try retroactive abortion you ignorant slant eyed pricks
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[link to enenews.com]

[link to fukushima-diary.com]
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"The introduction of the letter notes that Australian pediatrician Helen Caldicott said that it's not normal for children to have any thyroid nodules or cysts and that the results mean that the Fukushima children received a very high dose of radiation."

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]

Suddenly humans are immune to radiation? We are all (and the children) sitting ducks for this kind of problem as our lives are bombarded by ever increasing amounts of radiation. (and risks of worse)

(Possibly this is the greatest conspiracy ever)---population reduction leaving only those to breed that are immune to radiation, or eliminate our species all together.

I imagine beings from other planets are shaking their heads saying why are they not evacuating the planet??? Seriously---where were the residents of Fukushima or their children going to go? Japan is not known for vast amounts of space and desperate need for children.

I love the story of WWII where they shipped their children to the country to keep them safe--can't imagine that happening anywhere today.....

Remember New Orleans---different kind of disaster, but one just the same and they weren't allowed to evacuate.

It seems to be more the exception than the rule to help (really help) those in need.

I don't agree with this, it is sad, sad, sad. I think we need to believe if it happened to us we would be kept safe----but, by whom???hf
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We have reached a global level of apathy.
Welcome to crisis is normal.
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This^^^
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