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What exactly is the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God?

 
T Ceti H.C. Radnarg

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PS i informed you what the kingdom of heaven is...once again slowly>.............................the......................​......................................kingdom ..........................................of.................​..........................................god................​..........................................is.................​.........................................within..............​...........................................you...............​......<cant you see this tree without the forest getting in the way?
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is there some reason why you place yourself up on a pedestal and regard everyone else as your inferior?

i suspect you are a youngin...
 Quoting: Salt
I'm 51 and director of the 17th intelligence agency.i had a sis and bro named kay and jay as in the men in black movie,the govt makes hollywood movies about me and my family... goggle 17th cia agency....there were 16 points of the CIA star...there is now a 17th point rising in the middle looking like the Washington monument straight up into the sky towards space...my job is to get my crew ready for the journey...stay behind if you like but i was informed the crew was on this website because of their open-mindedness...that's about as blunt as i can get...do you know what a stimoceiver is...i have one,i dont even have to pick up a phone to communicate with headquarters aka naval space command...i dont put myself on any pedestal as i reveal the keys to break free from the misdirection of the literal reading of the bible/sciences book...the literal reading creates duality within your kingdom and keeps your mind split by monarch programming...monarch=pope caesar...have you figured out who the nobody is yet?...
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[[thumbs through roladex for the number for that shrink who has openings in his caseload]]
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why dont you read the roper report sent out to all those shrinks...believing in a talking snake and believing a man will fly from the clouds one day to save you will get you on a couch beside me SALT,so ask for an appointment after the one your looking up for me,lol..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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is there some reason why you place yourself up on a pedestal and regard everyone else as your inferior?

i suspect you are a youngin...
 Quoting: Salt
I'm 51 and director of the 17th intelligence agency.i had a sis and bro named kay and jay as in the men in black movie,the govt makes hollywood movies about me and my family... goggle 17th cia agency....there were 16 points of the CIA star...there is now a 17th point rising in the middle looking like the Washington monument straight up into the sky towards space...my job is to get my crew ready for the journey...stay behind if you like but i was informed the crew was on this website because of their open-mindedness...that's about as blunt as i can get...do you know what a stimoceiver is...i have one,i dont even have to pick up a phone to communicate with headquarters aka naval space command...i dont put myself on any pedestal as i reveal the keys to break free from the misdirection of the literal reading of the bible/sciences book...the literal reading creates duality within your kingdom and keeps your mind split by monarch programming...monarch=pope caesar...have you figured out who the nobody is yet?...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


[[thumbs through roladex for the number for that shrink who has openings in his caseload]]
 Quoting: Salt
why dont you read the roper report sent out to all those shrinks...believing in a talking snake and believing a man will fly from the clouds one day to save you will get you on a couch beside me SALT,so ask for an appointment after the one your looking up for me,lol..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


incoherent ramblings.
if you have something coherent to add to the thread ON THE TOPIC, please do so. otherwise, good night and peace to you.
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one is a figment of his imagination, the other is a figment of the other guy's imagination.

Sorry poor people, this is the only life you get, when you die, you're gone for good. No after-life, no reincarnation, nothing nada phfft! Live long, live well.
 Quoting: Wookiee666
no,super science figured out how to 'spirit' transfer...all your life, voice to skull tech reads your biometrics of your 5 senses...then 'you' are transferred into another host body somewhere else...most of this will go over your head,i dont know why i bother with close minded beings who cant think outside the monarch programming...there is a reason katy perry sings ET...even the instruction book says you must be born again...going under water or just believing does not make you born again...your spirit must be reborn into another body to be born again...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


can you try to stay on topic. i feel like you are hijacking my thread.

thanks.
 Quoting: Salt
...i am explaining the mysteries to you and you say I'm hijacking who's thread,down ego down...i explained where the kingdom of heaven was,its in all of us as is hell and all the bible characters...the main theme of the so called jesus bloodline is AB negative blood some even call alien blood ...its disclosure time salt and sheeple wakey wakey time...by the way your cute,do i get any brownie points if i flatter you,lol...i lot of personnel here already know who i am,didn't you get the memo?..exploding lighbulbs and making a doc ask me if i knew if i could use it for good or bad tells me i'm not like a lot of people and thats why i was chosen for leadership...playing with the suborbital haarp's in orbit is fun too...i made the queen take the train last christmas...I'm just a handsome north georgia country boy from the outside,the govt know what i am on the inside...i got a crew to wake up,try not interfere with govt business...i'm neo>naval electronic officer,thats what neo stands for..all tv scripts come from the govt...we either put you to sleep or we wake you up with them...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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one is a figment of his imagination, the other is a figment of the other guy's imagination.

Sorry poor people, this is the only life you get, when you die, you're gone for good. No after-life, no reincarnation, nothing nada phfft! Live long, live well.
 Quoting: Wookiee666
no,super science figured out how to 'spirit' transfer...all your life, voice to skull tech reads your biometrics of your 5 senses...then 'you' are transferred into another host body somewhere else...most of this will go over your head,i dont know why i bother with close minded beings who cant think outside the monarch programming...there is a reason katy perry sings ET...even the instruction book says you must be born again...going under water or just believing does not make you born again...your spirit must be reborn into another body to be born again...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


can you try to stay on topic. i feel like you are hijacking my thread.

thanks.
 Quoting: Salt
...i am explaining the mysteries to you and you say I'm hijacking who's thread,down ego down...i explained where the kingdom of heaven was,its in all of us as is hell and all the bible characters...the main theme of the so called jesus bloodline is AB negative blood some even call alien blood ...its disclosure time salt and sheeple wakey wakey time...by the way your cute,do i get any brownie points if i flatter you,lol...i lot of personnel here already know who i am,didn't you get the memo?..exploding lighbulbs and making a doc ask me if i knew if i could use it for good or bad tells me i'm not like a lot of people and thats why i was chosen for leadership...playing with the suborbital haarp's in orbit is fun too...i made the queen take the train last christmas...I'm just a handsome north georgia country boy from the outside,the govt know what i am on the inside...i got a crew to wake up,try not interfere with govt business...i'm neo>naval electronic officer,thats what neo stands for..all tv scripts come from the govt...we either put you to sleep or we wake you up with them...
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you HAVE to be roll-playing, right?
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I'm 51 and director of the 17th intelligence agency.i had a sis and bro named kay and jay as in the men in black movie,the govt makes hollywood movies about me and my family... goggle 17th cia agency....there were 16 points of the CIA star...there is now a 17th point rising in the middle looking like the Washington monument straight up into the sky towards space...my job is to get my crew ready for the journey...stay behind if you like but i was informed the crew was on this website because of their open-mindedness...that's about as blunt as i can get...do you know what a stimoceiver is...i have one,i dont even have to pick up a phone to communicate with headquarters aka naval space command...i dont put myself on any pedestal as i reveal the keys to break free from the misdirection of the literal reading of the bible/sciences book...the literal reading creates duality within your kingdom and keeps your mind split by monarch programming...monarch=pope caesar...have you figured out who the nobody is yet?...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


[[thumbs through roladex for the number for that shrink who has openings in his caseload]]
 Quoting: Salt
why dont you read the roper report sent out to all those shrinks...believing in a talking snake and believing a man will fly from the clouds one day to save you will get you on a couch beside me SALT,so ask for an appointment after the one your looking up for me,lol..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


incoherent ramblings.
if you have something coherent to add to the thread ON THE TOPIC, please do so. otherwise, good night and peace to you.
 Quoting: Salt
i make perfect since to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear...I'm sorry if you leave yourself out of the circle of friends,lol..pity,your so pretty and open minded, why leave yourself out and stay grounded by the RE Legions?
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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no,super science figured out how to 'spirit' transfer...all your life, voice to skull tech reads your biometrics of your 5 senses...then 'you' are transferred into another host body somewhere else...most of this will go over your head,i dont know why i bother with close minded beings who cant think outside the monarch programming...there is a reason katy perry sings ET...even the instruction book says you must be born again...going under water or just believing does not make you born again...your spirit must be reborn into another body to be born again...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


can you try to stay on topic. i feel like you are hijacking my thread.

thanks.
 Quoting: Salt
...i am explaining the mysteries to you and you say I'm hijacking who's thread,down ego down...i explained where the kingdom of heaven was,its in all of us as is hell and all the bible characters...the main theme of the so called jesus bloodline is AB negative blood some even call alien blood ...its disclosure time salt and sheeple wakey wakey time...by the way your cute,do i get any brownie points if i flatter you,lol...i lot of personnel here already know who i am,didn't you get the memo?..exploding lighbulbs and making a doc ask me if i knew if i could use it for good or bad tells me i'm not like a lot of people and thats why i was chosen for leadership...playing with the suborbital haarp's in orbit is fun too...i made the queen take the train last christmas...I'm just a handsome north georgia country boy from the outside,the govt know what i am on the inside...i got a crew to wake up,try not interfere with govt business...i'm neo>naval electronic officer,thats what neo stands for..all tv scripts come from the govt...we either put you to sleep or we wake you up with them...
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you HAVE to be roll-playing, right?
 Quoting: Salt
i dont role play sweetheart,i scare docs exploding halogen bulbs and send emails to the whitehouse and windsor sites..i for real BABE...would you like a copy of the return whitehouse email where they were pestering me to help with the presidents refinance bill for underwater mortgages..i told the whitehouse i would just tear the houses down before the banks suckered more money...5 hours later that sudden 80+ mph wind storm sweep across D.C...why would i role-play when i was born classified by the military..look at the British royal crest,the unicorn/Scotland is hiding its right hoof...my moms birth name is baynes from the unicorn clan mcbain from loch ness home of the monster myths,that's why we are also the beast symbolism in that bible written by Shakespeare aka Francis Bacon...an unchained unicorn is the meanest of the beasts by legend..the military wasn't joking about men who stare at goats,and make it into a comedy to represent -Funny Platoon-...WOULD YOU LIKE THE REAL STORY OF 9-11,i have already posted it in other threads here...heres a hint,theirs a thread here that talks about a newscaster suddenly talking about a man on 5th and a botched robbery during a baseball game...the pentagon has 5 sides/5th base.

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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later doll,or should i said puppet because you haven't cut your strings yet of this world's manipulation of non secret society members...its the secret society members that are playing out the literal surface meaning of the bible on the worlds stage...all preachers are Freemason wannabes who give out crumbs/milk on sundays...they are forbidden to teach those outside the lodges the true meaning of the bible because they bow to pope caesar and money...no offense SALT,i was once blind and deaf too...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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It's the same as Alice in Wonderland or Alice in Neverland...a slight deviation in fiction :-)
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Heaven is not eternal. The Kingdom of God is forever.
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can you try to stay on topic. i feel like you are hijacking my thread.

thanks.
 Quoting: Salt
...i am explaining the mysteries to you and you say I'm hijacking who's thread,down ego down...i explained where the kingdom of heaven was,its in all of us as is hell and all the bible characters...the main theme of the so called jesus bloodline is AB negative blood some even call alien blood ...its disclosure time salt and sheeple wakey wakey time...by the way your cute,do i get any brownie points if i flatter you,lol...i lot of personnel here already know who i am,didn't you get the memo?..exploding lighbulbs and making a doc ask me if i knew if i could use it for good or bad tells me i'm not like a lot of people and thats why i was chosen for leadership...playing with the suborbital haarp's in orbit is fun too...i made the queen take the train last christmas...I'm just a handsome north georgia country boy from the outside,the govt know what i am on the inside...i got a crew to wake up,try not interfere with govt business...i'm neo>naval electronic officer,thats what neo stands for..all tv scripts come from the govt...we either put you to sleep or we wake you up with them...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


you HAVE to be roll-playing, right?
 Quoting: Salt
i dont role play sweetheart,i scare docs exploding halogen bulbs and send emails to the whitehouse and windsor sites..i for real BABE...would you like a copy of the return whitehouse email where they were pestering me to help with the presidents refinance bill for underwater mortgages..i told the whitehouse i would just tear the houses down before the banks suckered more money...5 hours later that sudden 80+ mph wind storm sweep across D.C...why would i role-play when i was born classified by the military..look at the British royal crest,the unicorn/Scotland is hiding its right hoof...my moms birth name is baynes from the unicorn clan mcbain from loch ness home of the monster myths,that's why we are also the beast symbolism in that bible written by Shakespeare aka Francis Bacon...an unchained unicorn is the meanest of the beasts by legend..the military wasn't joking about men who stare at goats,and make it into a comedy to represent -Funny Platoon-...WOULD YOU LIKE THE REAL STORY OF 9-11,i have already posted it in other threads here...heres a hint,theirs a thread here that talks about a newscaster suddenly talking about a man on 5th and a botched robbery during a baseball game...the pentagon has 5 sides/5th base.
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


they have medicine for that. i think its called Haldol
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The Kingdom of Heaven is within us, The Kingdom of God is within me.
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hee!

the kingdom of heaven is future, the kingdom of God is eternal

?
 Quoting: Salt


Okay fine if we must play with those phrases... I would say the 'Kingdom of God' is all of creation.... The 'Kingdom of Heaven' resides within you - some individuals just aren't aware of it yet.


I have a problem trying to decipher the words of another as their original 'meaning' is only that which the author affixed to them.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


the Kingdom of God is the ruling government of God

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In the simplest terms, the Kingdom of God is the rule of God. Thus, it can be said that wherever the Lord Jesus Christ reigns, there you have the Kingdom of God. This is true whether Jesus rules in an individual life or over a group of people.

God is a Spirit (John 4:24), and therefore His Kingdom exists in the spiritual realm — a realm which is presently invisible to our natural eyes. Someday, God's Kingdom will come in all its fullness, but it is now "at hand" for us to enter into by faith. God writes the laws of His Kingdom on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33-34) and calls us to walk in obedience to His commandments. Through the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit, we can experience the reign of God in our daily lives.

It is the Spirit of God Who reveals the ways of God to the children of God (see John 14:26). The Bible says in I Corinthians 2:9-10, "But as it is written, 'Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.' But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God." The rule and reign of God within the hearts of men, women, boys and girls is the reality of the Kingdom of God on earth!
 Quoting: Salt


you could start the prof. off with our field of gravity to get his mind on some visuals

an invisible force that causes effect everywhere

the cause of an invisible effect everywhere is the hint that the kingdom of god , an invisible force of effect everywhere, is real but was never explainable in jesus`s time

what causes the field of gravity everywhere is the presence of the kingdom of god every where

if your professor is ready for that, you can take him further into the kingdom

maybe
 Quoting: aether


yeah, that might be too out there for ol prof.

he likes his students with the two feet firmly planted
 Quoting: Salt


These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them.
And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.
 Quoting: John 16/12 King James


when jesus left he told us the spirit of truth will tell that which we needed to know to understand that which we could not know when jesus was here
now
your prof. must know and accept that what the spirit of truth told us and continues to tell us must be as jesus said it would be
new information. as in:
that which was not known 2000 years ago

does the prof. understand that?
 Quoting: aether


i think we are seeing/saying the same thing
the spirit of truth is the spirit of god

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the Kingdom of God is the ruling government of God
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is your prof. ready for the scale we now know of gods kingdom that gods government rules

New estimate triples number of stars, to 300 sextillion


...........Generally scientists believe there are 100 billion to a trillion galaxies in the universe. And each galaxy - the Milky Way included - was thought to have 100 billion to a trillion stars.........
 Quoting: observation

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god kingdom is at least what we presently observe it to be and the first evidence that we discovered for the existence of gods invisible kingdom everywhere their is light (stars) is the fields (gravity etc)
it shows us there must exist invisible dimensions (structures for something to exist within) because without a dimension to exist within gravity could not do what it does
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Why does Matthew go on and on about the "kingdom of heaven" when Luke, Mark and John use the term "kingdom of God" in the exact same places?

In Matthew, there are 31 places where Jesus is quoted as saying "the kingdom of heaven is like..." or "kingdom of heaven" but it is never quoted like that in the other gospels. Luke, Mark and John all refer to the same quotes as "kingdom of God." There are 63 instances of the term "kingdom of God" in the other three gospels combined.

It is my understanding that both terms mean the exact same thing. But, why would Matthew use the word heaven and not God. Which word did Jesus actually say? I am leaning toward that Jesus used the word "God" as the other three apostles quote him in such a way.

I wonder if Matthew changed the word in order to not offend the je ws that he was speaking to, and the fact that the other apostles were speaking mostly to Gentiles?

But, Matthew uses the word God in other places, so that theory doesn't hold up.

It is clear that the "kingdom of heaven" and Heaven are not the same thing. This is clarified by many other scriptures collectively. The "kingdom of heaven" refers to the Millennial Kingdom, which is a term that I have yet to study and do not comprehend fully at this point.

I am sure the God haters and Christian bashers will come forward and troll the thread. I don't care, really. But, if some students of the word want to chime in and help me with this concept, it will help me to get through this next leg in my studies at seminary.
 Quoting: Salt


It does mean the same thing. However the prophets were individuals, so as to one profit he would say the Kingdom of Heaven..the other the Kingdom of God..Same exact thing just spoken of in similar yet slightly different terminology.
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Why does Matthew go on and on about the "kingdom of heaven" when Luke, Mark and John use the term "kingdom of God" in the exact same places?

In Matthew, there are 31 places where Jesus is quoted as saying "the kingdom of heaven is like..." or "kingdom of heaven" but it is never quoted like that in the other gospels. Luke, Mark and John all refer to the same quotes as "kingdom of God." There are 63 instances of the term "kingdom of God" in the other three gospels combined.

It is my understanding that both terms mean the exact same thing. But, why would Matthew use the word heaven and not God. Which word did Jesus actually say? I am leaning toward that Jesus used the word "God" as the other three apostles quote him in such a way.

I wonder if Matthew changed the word in order to not offend the je ws that he was speaking to, and the fact that the other apostles were speaking mostly to Gentiles?

But, Matthew uses the word God in other places, so that theory doesn't hold up.

It is clear that the "kingdom of heaven" and Heaven are not the same thing. This is clarified by many other scriptures collectively. The "kingdom of heaven" refers to the Millennial Kingdom, which is a term that I have yet to study and do not comprehend fully at this point.

I am sure the God haters and Christian bashers will come forward and troll the thread. I don't care, really. But, if some students of the word want to chime in and help me with this concept, it will help me to get through this next leg in my studies at seminary.
 Quoting: Salt


No difference, they are both figments of your imagination. lol
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In the beginning, God created the separation between the waters and called it "heaven".

Waters are people. You are with the Light or you are not.

Jesus tells us the "kingdom of heaven" is like a tiny mustard seed that can become the tallest tree in the garden and it's branches get filled with the birds.

Well, in a prior parable about the farmer sowing the seeds, He tells you the "birds" that pick up the seed are the evil one.

So, now you see...the big trees attract evil. Hearkons back to King Nebuchazzar (sp?) in Babylon being a big tree that had to be cut down for pride. Trees represent people and nations.

So, He is telling us what it's like here on earth and how to overcome it. So to me, our goal is to understand how to make it through the kingdom of heaven and make it to the kingdom of God.
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In the beginning, God created the separation between the waters and called it "heaven".

Waters are people. You are with the Light or you are not.

Jesus tells us the "kingdom of heaven" is like a tiny mustard seed that can become the tallest tree in the garden and it's branches get filled with the birds.

Well, in a prior parable about the farmer sowing the seeds, He tells you the "birds" that pick up the seed are the evil one.

So, now you see...the big trees attract evil. Hearkons back to King Nebuchazzar (sp?) in Babylon being a big tree that had to be cut down for pride. Trees represent people and nations.

So, He is telling us what it's like here on earth and how to overcome it. So to me, our goal is to understand how to make it through the kingdom of heaven and make it to the kingdom of God.
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nice take on it.

i wonder if outer space (heaven)has a use for life in a future event? maybe all the souls will be dispersed throughout.

maybe the JW have something on that after all?
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Kindom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God are the same.

God defines heaven.

Gen 6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven.

Greek gods like Mars, Jupitor, Venus ect. are heavenly bodies.

Heaven/space was known as the realm of the gods.

We now know that these are planets and not gods, but the idea that of heaven as the realm of the gods remained.

Only now they try to make up some mystical place and changed the definition of heaven that god has given you from the genesis.

You see the idea of a mystical/spiritual/other deminsion type of heaven was not invented/created by god, but by man.

When you listen to the doctrines of the church you are putting your faith into man not god.
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nice take on it.

i wonder if outer space (heaven)has a use for life in a future event? maybe all the souls will be dispersed throughout.

maybe the JW have something on that after all?
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that`s interesting to me salt , utilizing our authorities number

New estimate triples number of stars, to 300 sextillion
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are we saying that everywhere outside of earth is devoid of life unless humans take life to it?
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nice take on it.

i wonder if outer space (heaven)has a use for life in a future event? maybe all the souls will be dispersed throughout.

maybe the JW have something on that after all?
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that`s interesting to me salt , utilizing our authorities number

New estimate triples number of stars, to 300 sextillion
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are we saying that everywhere outside of earth is devoid of life unless humans take life to it?
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well, i've always thought that the universe has many homes for being that are not human. but, in saying that, all beings originated from the Creator and in one place, and then were dispersed. the original dispersement came with a casting out of certain entities from the residence of God. then, they were dispersed throughout the cosmos. we can see evidence of this in ancient artifacts/writings regarding pleiades, orion, the bear, and other areas recognized by constellation instead of planetary home.

i do not think you can be human and reside anywhere else in the cosmos. the physical body must be here. for now...
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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



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this comes from the interview with Nicodemus, the Pharisee.
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John 3:5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spiritb gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘Youc must be born again.’ 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



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this comes from the interview with Nicodemus, the Pharisee.
 Quoting: Salt



The point-

He states He is in heaven ( at the time He is speaking)


^^
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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8609734


this comes from the interview with Nicodemus, the Pharisee.
 Quoting: Salt



The point-

He states He is in heaven ( at the time He is speaking)


^^
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i don't read that like that. to me, it reads as Jesus came from heaven and was on earth at the time of that interview.

from the same chapter:

To this John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. 28You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.’ 29The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30He must become greater; I must become less.

31“The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for Godk gives the Spirit without limit. 35The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”l
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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8609734


this comes from the interview with Nicodemus, the Pharisee.
 Quoting: Salt



The point-

He states He is in heaven ( at the time He is speaking)


^^
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can you elaborate your point, oh esoteric one?
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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8609734


this comes from the interview with Nicodemus, the Pharisee.
 Quoting: Salt



The point-

He states He is in heaven ( at the time He is speaking)


^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8609734


i don't read that like that. to me, it reads as Jesus came from heaven and was on earth at the time of that interview.

from the same chapter:

To this John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. 28You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.’ 29The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30He must become greater; I must become less.

31“The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for Godk gives the Spirit without limit. 35The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”l
 Quoting: Salt



Think about it further-

He didn't say is is from earth or on earth-

He says He is in heaven-

There is something special about His statement.



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my brain hurts and the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet
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Interesting thread.

KJV shows 32 verses ( 33 references) in Matthew as opposed to 31- do you know which verse accounts for the difference?

Also-

Where was Jesus when he said this?...

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Joh 3)



?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8609734


this comes from the interview with Nicodemus, the Pharisee.
 Quoting: Salt



The point-

He states He is in heaven ( at the time He is speaking)


^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8609734


i don't read that like that. to me, it reads as Jesus came from heaven and was on earth at the time of that interview.

from the same chapter:

To this John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. 28You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.’ 29The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30He must become greater; I must become less.

31“The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for Godk gives the Spirit without limit. 35The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”l
 Quoting: Salt



Think about it further-

He didn't say He is from earth or on earth-

He says He is in heaven-

There is something special about His statement.


^corrected^

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Here's some notes I saved in a word document from my own study some time ago........ I don't have a link anymore (edit to add it might be this one: [link to futurehistory.yadayahweh.com]



"If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely."

In other words, they would be prosperous--even wealthy. "I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid; I will rid the land of evil beasts, and the sword will not go through your land. You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you."

Their obedience would result in complete freedom from fear.

"For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new. I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you. I will walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people."

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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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The best perk of all would be Yahweh’s presence among them. "I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves; I have broken the bands of your yoke and made you walk upright. (Leviticus 26:1-13)

"Yeah! That’s exactly what we want," they all said.

And then they proceeded to ignore His statutes and disregard His commandments, starting with the first commandment, "You shall have no other gods before Me." By refusing to believe God’s promise of victory in Canaan, they were worshipping false gods, saying in effect, "the giants in the land--and their gods--are stronger than Yahweh. The generation that heard those words never entered the land of promise. They left their corpses rotting in the wilderness.

All this would happen "If you will...."

It is God's intention to set up a Kingdom on earth in which Peace, and Happiness will reign. This can only be achieved when mankind willingly and enthusiastically accepts and adheres to His directives which are contrary to man's inherent self-interest and greed. It therefore requires a change of mind and attitude in man, to accept and live by these Rules which are so contrary to human nature.


Matthew 24:14 "And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the End come. "

The popular Gospel preached in the world today, has missed the Core Issue of the True Messianic Gospel.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

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