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What exactly is the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God? | |
| Soul Wave User ID: 19987731  United Kingdom07/17/2012 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Kingdom of Heaven is not. Quoting: Salt The Kingdom of Heaven is not the same thing as heaven. When the New Testament uses the phrase “the Kingdom of Heaven” it is not referring to heaven. Instead it is referring to the Millennial Kingdom which has been ordained from heaven, that is, from God -- hence the interchangeability between "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of God." Unfortunately too many people have heard a great deal of preaching and teaching about heaven as the hope of a Christian and consequently think that “the Kingdom of Heaven” and “heaven” are the same. They are not. The Kingdom of Heaven is a kingdom from heaven, not a kingdom in heaven. God reigns supreme in heaven. Heaven is the locus of His authority – the point from which He rules the universe. The words “of heaven” then are referring to the origin of this Kingdom. It is the place from which the Kingdom is coming, not a destination to which we are going. So we see that although the Kingdom of Heaven is heavenly in character and origin, it is not the same thing as heaven. To avoid the confusion between heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven, and since the term "Kingdom of God" occurs much more frequently in the Bible, it is the "Kingdom of God" that is preferred when describing the future kingdom in which Jesus will reign as king. [link to www.bibletopics.com] hey salt serious question do you think this location is in our material dimension or one of our non material dimensions? and if it is a location from which everything radiates from do you think the big bang concepts forms from this knowing? i can tell you this much, i think that the place where God resides is a master dimension all it's own, "above" all the others. Yes, kind of, but, it is not above, it is centre, it is the source and centre of all things. A realm or kingdom is a collection of peoples or beings. The kingdom of God is it's creation, it's realm within the creation that surrounds the source and centre. Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being, it is the ultimate goal to reach within every being. Heaven is the centre, it is where the Universal Father of all creation resides. The Universal Father is not a being as such, it is consciousness, it is the giver of light, it resides in heaven which is a state of existence, it is the total existence of the creation, it is love, and each and every being created is capable of reaching, achieving it, being one with God, being in a state, a condition if you like of heaven. It is all one and the same, it is a level of conscious understanding. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647  United States07/17/2012 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont role play sweetheart,i scare docs exploding halogen bulbs and send emails to the whitehouse and windsor sites..i for real BABE...would you like a copy of the return whitehouse email where they were pestering me to help with the presidents refinance bill for underwater mortgages..i told the whitehouse i would just tear the houses down before the banks suckered more money...5 hours later that sudden 80+ mph wind storm sweep across D.C...why would i role-play when i was born classified by the military..look at the British royal crest,the unicorn/Scotland is hiding its right hoof...my moms birth name is baynes from the unicorn clan mcbain from loch ness home of the monster myths,that's why we are also the beast symbolism in that bible written by Shakespeare aka Francis Bacon...an unchained unicorn is the meanest of the beasts by legend..the military wasn't joking about men who stare at goats,and make it into a comedy to represent -Funny Platoon-...WOULD YOU LIKE THE REAL STORY OF 9-11,i have already posted it in other threads here...heres a hint,theirs a thread here that talks about a newscaster suddenly talking about a man on 5th and a botched robbery during a baseball game...the pentagon has 5 sides/5th base. Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg they have medicine for that. i think its called Haldol  you still haven't figured out who i am yet have you? have you looked at the British royal crest and noticed the right hoof of the unicorn is hidden? and who in Isiah calls the armies of heaven...I'll give you a hint ,the bible characters are about king david of Scotland's descendants because Shakespeare aka Francis bacon wrote the bible...the bible didn't exist before Francis bacon...once again would you like copies of the whitehouse emails where i threaten them and they listen...ron paul camp has already requested me to attend the tampa rally with RSVP tickets,would you like to see that email?..i told them to just be sure to spew 40 hertz and 60 hertz so the sheeple would be hypnotized as he spoke...i'm sorry, dear. but, i can't really care who you are. i have too much focus on the Most High God. God bless you in all your endeavors. May you one day take the focus on yourself and place it on God as well. |
ATONTRUTH  User ID: 19915624 United States07/17/2012 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Kingdom of Heaven is not. Quoting: Salt The Kingdom of Heaven is not the same thing as heaven. When the New Testament uses the phrase “the Kingdom of Heaven” it is not referring to heaven. Instead it is referring to the Millennial Kingdom which has been ordained from heaven, that is, from God -- hence the interchangeability between "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of God." Unfortunately too many people have heard a great deal of preaching and teaching about heaven as the hope of a Christian and consequently think that “the Kingdom of Heaven” and “heaven” are the same. They are not. The Kingdom of Heaven is a kingdom from heaven, not a kingdom in heaven. God reigns supreme in heaven. Heaven is the locus of His authority – the point from which He rules the universe. The words “of heaven” then are referring to the origin of this Kingdom. It is the place from which the Kingdom is coming, not a destination to which we are going. So we see that although the Kingdom of Heaven is heavenly in character and origin, it is not the same thing as heaven. To avoid the confusion between heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven, and since the term "Kingdom of God" occurs much more frequently in the Bible, it is the "Kingdom of God" that is preferred when describing the future kingdom in which Jesus will reign as king. [link to www.bibletopics.com] hey salt serious question do you think this location is in our material dimension or one of our non material dimensions? and if it is a location from which everything radiates from do you think the big bang concepts forms from this knowing? i can tell you this much, i think that the place where God resides is a master dimension all it's own, "above" all the others. Yes, kind of, but, it is not above, it is centre, it is the source and centre of all things. A realm or kingdom is a collection of peoples or beings. The kingdom of God is it's creation, it's realm within the creation that surrounds the source and centre. Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being, it is the ultimate goal to reach within every being. Heaven is the centre, it is where the Universal Father of all creation resides. The Universal Father is not a being as such, it is consciousness, it is the giver of light, it resides in heaven which is a state of existence, it is the total existence of the creation, it is love, and each and every being created is capable of reaching, achieving it, being one with God, being in a state, a condition if you like of heaven. It is all one and the same, it is a level of conscious understanding. Well said! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/17/2012 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thus one day Quoting: aether that happy day, we ,as all other things, will be returned, without thought to the creators location... Please pardon this input: Jesus teaches that not "All" will be returned to the creators location. Many called, few chosen... Tares burned in the fire... And this... 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev 22) ][ i was listening to a study with Charles Stanley the other day and he says that every single person on earth qualifies as verse 15 above. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/17/2012 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does Matthew go on and on about the "kingdom of heaven" when Luke, Mark and John use the term "kingdom of God" in the exact same places? Quoting: Salt In Matthew, there are 31 places where Jesus is quoted as saying "the kingdom of heaven is like..." or "kingdom of heaven" but it is never quoted like that in the other gospels. Luke, Mark and John all refer to the same quotes as "kingdom of God." There are 63 instances of the term "kingdom of God" in the other three gospels combined. It is my understanding that both terms mean the exact same thing. But, why would Matthew use the word heaven and not God. Which word did Jesus actually say? I am leaning toward that Jesus used the word "God" as the other three apostles quote him in such a way. I wonder if Matthew changed the word in order to not offend the je ws that he was speaking to, and the fact that the other apostles were speaking mostly to Gentiles? But, Matthew uses the word God in other places, so that theory doesn't hold up. It is clear that the "kingdom of heaven" and Heaven are not the same thing. This is clarified by many other scriptures collectively. The "kingdom of heaven" refers to the Millennial Kingdom, which is a term that I have yet to study and do not comprehend fully at this point. I am sure the God haters and Christian bashers will come forward and troll the thread. I don't care, really. But, if some students of the word want to chime in and help me with this concept, it will help me to get through this next leg in my studies at seminary. aaahhhhh....finally we get a picture of the real you..... you are very good looking..... but in the picture you had the other day on your hillbilly thread... we couldn`t see your face....you are pretty.... I take back my 7 and bump it up to a 10..... anyways to answer your question.... basically the bible is a guide to moral ethics and correct behaviour.... the kingdom of god and the kingdom of heaven are two names for the same thing.... when we leave this world we are supposed to remain in the higher realms.... where the temptations of the flesh do not hinder our spiritual perfection..... life in the higher realms is more beautiful than anything that we can ever imagine here on earth.... clue..... thank you for the compliments and input in the thread. can you finish this sentence? "The kingdom of God is like..." |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/17/2012 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Shamar But I showed later that they are different now, but point to the same thing, which is future. Were you able to read the article/lecture? I don't understand your question. I posted a link to an article (see bolded in my post to which you replied). I thought you knew all about it, else why would you have replied to me? Here it is again: [link to www.leithvalley.org.nz%2FResources%2FNewHeavensEarth_Wright.pdf] reading this now |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/17/2012 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Kingdom of Heaven is not. Quoting: Salt The Kingdom of Heaven is not the same thing as heaven. When the New Testament uses the phrase “the Kingdom of Heaven” it is not referring to heaven. Instead it is referring to the Millennial Kingdom which has been ordained from heaven, that is, from God -- hence the interchangeability between "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of God." Unfortunately too many people have heard a great deal of preaching and teaching about heaven as the hope of a Christian and consequently think that “the Kingdom of Heaven” and “heaven” are the same. They are not. The Kingdom of Heaven is a kingdom from heaven, not a kingdom in heaven. God reigns supreme in heaven. Heaven is the locus of His authority – the point from which He rules the universe. The words “of heaven” then are referring to the origin of this Kingdom. It is the place from which the Kingdom is coming, not a destination to which we are going. So we see that although the Kingdom of Heaven is heavenly in character and origin, it is not the same thing as heaven. To avoid the confusion between heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven, and since the term "Kingdom of God" occurs much more frequently in the Bible, it is the "Kingdom of God" that is preferred when describing the future kingdom in which Jesus will reign as king. [link to www.bibletopics.com] hey salt serious question do you think this location is in our material dimension or one of our non material dimensions? and if it is a location from which everything radiates from do you think the big bang concepts forms from this knowing? i can tell you this much, i think that the place where God resides is a master dimension all it's own, "above" all the others. Yes, kind of, but, it is not above, it is centre, it is the source and centre of all things. A realm or kingdom is a collection of peoples or beings. The kingdom of God is it's creation, it's realm within the creation that surrounds the source and centre. Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being, it is the ultimate goal to reach within every being. Heaven is the centre, it is where the Universal Father of all creation resides. The Universal Father is not a being as such, it is consciousness, it is the giver of light, it resides in heaven which is a state of existence, it is the total existence of the creation, it is love, and each and every being created is capable of reaching, achieving it, being one with God, being in a state, a condition if you like of heaven. It is all one and the same, it is a level of conscious understanding. yum. like poetry. |
| Shamar User ID: 1479302 United States07/17/2012 10:25 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted a link to an article (see bolded in my post to which you replied). I thought you knew all about it, else why would you have replied to me? Here it is again: [link to www.leithvalley.org.nz%2FResources%2FNewHeavensEarth_Wright.pdf] reading this now i missed it too.....reading now. Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami Love is a one-way street. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19225907  Canada07/17/2012 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well if jesus said kingdom of heaven maybe its cuz it was part of his heaven as in he was a co founder and then when the other sheep say god its because they arent a founder but they are a sheep to the shepherds. baaa baaa sheep |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 4250293 United States07/17/2012 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thus one day Quoting: aether that happy day, we ,as all other things, will be returned, without thought to the creators location... Please pardon this input: Jesus teaches that not "All" will be returned to the creators location. Many called, few chosen... Tares burned in the fire... And this... 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev 22) ][ i was listening to a study with Charles Stanley the other day and he says that every single person on earth qualifies as verse 15 above. Don't let him stop you from trying to be one of the few... :P |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/17/2012 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thus one day Quoting: aether that happy day, we ,as all other things, will be returned, without thought to the creators location... Please pardon this input: Jesus teaches that not "All" will be returned to the creators location. Many called, few chosen... Tares burned in the fire... And this... 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev 22) ][ i was listening to a study with Charles Stanley the other day and he says that every single person on earth qualifies as verse 15 above. Don't let him stop you from trying to be one of the few... :P well the point was that we all qualify but we are saved by grace and don't operate in that any longer. |
| mr...bojangles User ID: 19885195  Mexico07/17/2012 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does Matthew go on and on about the "kingdom of heaven" when Luke, Mark and John use the term "kingdom of God" in the exact same places? Quoting: Salt In Matthew, there are 31 places where Jesus is quoted as saying "the kingdom of heaven is like..." or "kingdom of heaven" but it is never quoted like that in the other gospels. Luke, Mark and John all refer to the same quotes as "kingdom of God." There are 63 instances of the term "kingdom of God" in the other three gospels combined. It is my understanding that both terms mean the exact same thing. But, why would Matthew use the word heaven and not God. Which word did Jesus actually say? I am leaning toward that Jesus used the word "God" as the other three apostles quote him in such a way. I wonder if Matthew changed the word in order to not offend the je ws that he was speaking to, and the fact that the other apostles were speaking mostly to Gentiles? But, Matthew uses the word God in other places, so that theory doesn't hold up. It is clear that the "kingdom of heaven" and Heaven are not the same thing. This is clarified by many other scriptures collectively. The "kingdom of heaven" refers to the Millennial Kingdom, which is a term that I have yet to study and do not comprehend fully at this point. I am sure the God haters and Christian bashers will come forward and troll the thread. I don't care, really. But, if some students of the word want to chime in and help me with this concept, it will help me to get through this next leg in my studies at seminary. aaahhhhh....finally we get a picture of the real you..... you are very good looking..... but in the picture you had the other day on your hillbilly thread... we couldn`t see your face....you are pretty.... I take back my 7 and bump it up to a 10..... anyways to answer your question.... basically the bible is a guide to moral ethics and correct behaviour.... the kingdom of god and the kingdom of heaven are two names for the same thing.... when we leave this world we are supposed to remain in the higher realms.... where the temptations of the flesh do not hinder our spiritual perfection..... life in the higher realms is more beautiful than anything that we can ever imagine here on earth.... clue..... thank you for the compliments and input in the thread. can you finish this sentence? "The kingdom of God is like..." no physical pain for starters.... that right there is a big plus for all mortals.... according to buddhism...the main aspect of life in this world is eventual suffering... people get old, sick and pass away.... sufering all along the way.... in heaven you don`t suffer anymore.... you live life in peace and bliss.... Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu. Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher. Thread: I shot video of the earth from my spacecraft, enjoy! |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 4250293 United States07/17/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 4250293 Please pardon this input: Jesus teaches that not "All" will be returned to the creators location. Many called, few chosen... Tares burned in the fire... And this... 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev 22) ][ i was listening to a study with Charles Stanley the other day and he says that every single person on earth qualifies as verse 15 above. Don't let him stop you from trying to be one of the few... :P well the point was that we all qualify but we are saved by grace and don't operate in that any longer. Indeed- Paul was saved by grace - clearly. ++ |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 4250293 United States07/17/2012 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 4250293 Please pardon this input: Jesus teaches that not "All" will be returned to the creators location. Many called, few chosen... Tares burned in the fire... And this... 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev 22) ][ i was listening to a study with Charles Stanley the other day and he says that every single person on earth qualifies as verse 15 above. Don't let him stop you from trying to be one of the few... :P well the point was that we all qualify but we are saved by grace and don't operate in that any longer. Indeed- Paul was saved by grace - clearly. Then he went to work... :) |
| sleepypoochy User ID: 9777505 United States07/17/2012 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Kingdom of God is within all of us: Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. But the Kingdom of Heaven is my Fathers 'house' - which is perhaps is in another dimension... John 14 2-3 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Last Edited by sleepypoochy on 07/17/2012 11:32 PM |
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| aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom07/18/2012 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | now we can ask the professor why did christianity alter it`s definition and location of god in the 17th century why was god removed from the universe (living god within) and placed outside of it the prof. must know the reason i would like to know his answer if you can ask him salt Last Edited by aether on 07/18/2012 08:51 AM |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/18/2012 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Salt i was listening to a study with Charles Stanley the other day and he says that every single person on earth qualifies as verse 15 above. Don't let him stop you from trying to be one of the few... :P well the point was that we all qualify but we are saved by grace and don't operate in that any longer. Indeed- Paul was saved by grace - clearly. Then he went to work... :) and prison, heh heh... twice |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/18/2012 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | now we can ask the professor why did christianity alter it`s definition and location of god in the 17th century Quoting: aether why was god removed from the universe (living god within) and placed outside of it the prof. must know the reason i would like to know his answer if you can ask him salt i won't ask this professor that question because he is an historian. this class is a history of the new testament class. second, there is nothing that says God was removed from the universe. so, asking that would make me look like a chump. questions to this prof have to be from a historical/archaelogical standpoint. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 19212647 United States07/18/2012 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | now we can ask the professor why did christianity alter it`s definition and location of god in the 17th century Quoting: aether why was god removed from the universe (living god within) and placed outside of it the prof. must know the reason i would like to know his answer if you can ask him salt there are lots of groups, ruling bodies that were not of God's people, reformers and the like...many who came along and tried to maintain God's covenant by an iron fist. doesn't make God's word or the covenant change. it just makes more evidence that man as opposed to God as a ruling government will always fall. Men wanted another man appointed king. they got what they asked for and then some. |
| aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom07/18/2012 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this was the part i am referring to Last Edited by aether on 07/18/2012 10:31 AM |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 16614358 United States07/18/2012 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 4250293 Don't let him stop you from trying to be one of the few... :P well the point was that we all qualify but we are saved by grace and don't operate in that any longer. Indeed- Paul was saved by grace - clearly. Then he went to work... :) and prison, heh heh... twice Indeed! A badge of honor... :p I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. \|/ |
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