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THIS is the doom that I'm afraid of.
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It's a slow impending long term type of doom. I doubt it will happen overnight.
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A fiat money system require's perpetual inflation to function, or a continual debasement of the currency...

However, a fiat currency is not a perpetual motion machine, and I believe the coming "Hyperinflation" will consist of a massive and hard devaluation of the currency (inflation), all while the equity markets are carshing (deflation)...
The bane of fiat currency is deflation, and when the rate of inflation is added to the equation, the equity markets have "deflated" considerably over the last eleven years...and even though we've had historically low interest rates for the last four years...

If you want to see what's about to happen to us look to the collapse of the U.S.S.R. or Argentina...

Hey, we've had a good run...

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"Hyperinflation" will consist of a massive and hard devaluation of the currency (inflation), all while the equity markets are carshing (deflation)...

Could not agree more !!!! Dead on ! rockon
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A fiat money system require's perpetual inflation to function, or a continual debasement of the currency...

However, a fiat currency is not a perpetual motion machine, and I believe the coming "Hyperinflation" will consist of a massive and hard devaluation of the currency (inflation), all while the equity markets are carshing (deflation)...
The bane of fiat currency is deflation, and when the rate of inflation is added to the equation, the equity markets have "deflated" considerably over the last eleven years...and even though we've had historically low interest rates for the last four years...

If you want to see what's about to happen to us look to the collapse of the U.S.S.R. or Argentina...

Hey, we've had a good run...

norespect
 Quoting: Saddletramp


"Hyperinflation" will consist of a massive and hard devaluation of the currency (inflation), all while the equity markets are carshing (deflation)...

Could not agree more !!!! Dead on ! rockon
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One thing I would add, is that the PPT has been injecting money into the market for 5 years (Inflation) and the attempted unwind (Which the FED said they could do in 5 minutes) will fail because no one will want to by the inflated equities. The attempt at an unwind will be the FAIL (Deflation)
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What a fucking doomfest we are having today! Doom in all fronts!
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THIS is the doom that I'm afraid of.
 Quoting: -GooGooFlexy-


It's a slow impending long term type of doom. I doubt it will happen overnight.
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It's been going on for sometime now

We are at doom point zero, dude
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First of all OP, you've gotta change your avatar, it's starting to bug me because it reminds me of the Caribbean vacations we used to take in St. Croix every Summer that I had to give up 6 years ago. Of course, I couldn't handle being there with the specter of DOOM over my head, so I guess I'll just have to get on with life.

What this means is that all of us who have been crying wolf over printing, printing, printing were not talking shit after all. I mean, have you ever heard of anyone you knew that was able to borrow his way out of debt? I know plenty that have lost it all, including a number of California cities now, it's just basic finance. Debt brings destruction when enonomies turn downward! And there is NO BOOM on the horizon, unless you include the thunderclaps of WW3.

I've listened to a lot of what you have said in the past and you have always talked sense. Unfortunately, sense does not go over well in senseless societies. Keep your powder dry my friend!
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No where like the Carribean baby!!!

Actually that pic was taken on a fishing trip off of Key West a couple of years ago...

Thanks for the comment...

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19582961


Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have a mini-boom when things finally get bad enough for the Fed to go for the last tool in the toolbox...QE3!!!

Unfortunately, since interest rates have been kept artificially low for far too long, any bump will be short-lived. People will greet QE3 like it is the savior come down from heaven, but in point of fact it will be the death knell of the system...

I think this fact is dawning on Ben Bernake, which is perhaps why he is doing everything he can to avoid a new QE...which of course they will never call QE!?!?!

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it's all crap - they said we were going bankrupt back in march but it never happened how i hate date fixers for dooooom. just chill out it's all going to be fine just be patient we have much more waiting to dobsflagbsflag5a5a
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I love your threads and your views Saddletramp, always great stuff!
Keep it up to keep us carshtards happy!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19582961


Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have a mini-boom when things finally get bad enough for the Fed to go for the last tool in the toolbox...QE3!!!

Unfortunately, since interest rates have been kept artificially low for far too long, any bump will be short-lived. People will greet QE3 like it is the savior come down from heaven, but it will be the death knell of the system...

drevil
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that when the clowns in DC release the QE's the sudden rush which follows is the con men sucking up the government cash as soon as it is made available to the insiders. It's like "We will use this as an excuse to feed our friends so that they can contribute to our campaigns". Or perhaps I am too cynical?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19582961


Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have a mini-boom when things finally get bad enough for the Fed to go for the last tool in the toolbox...QE3!!!

Unfortunately, since interest rates have been kept artificially low for far too long, any bump will be short-lived. People will greet QE3 like it is the savior come down from heaven, but it will be the death knell of the system...

drevil
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that when the clowns in DC release the QE's the sudden rush which follows is the con men sucking up the government cash as soon as it is made available to the insiders. It's like "We will use this as an excuse to feed our friends so that they can contribute to our campaigns". Or perhaps I am too cynical?
 Quoting: Black Knight


No, you're absolutely right, they funnel that money through the big banks, who SHOULD loan that money out, but since the repeal of Glass-Stegell, they have figured out that they can make more money faster by investing, so they go for the quick buck and hammer 99% of it into the equitys...

But the average trader can make a little money on piggy-backing the volume increases if he watches the news...

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And in the end, Joe Q. Dumbfuck Taxpayer gets stuck holding the tab, nice. When I look at my children, it is not easy to stomach, because they have very little hope of a future other than one of slavery and there is nothing I can do about it.
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I got all the money out of the bank ! cancelled loans burnt credit cards ....

bought survival tools , food & goin food water & power independent in 5 year to 10 year survival plan and went on barter service exchange..
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The mainstream media is starting to talk about the rising food prices due to the drought. Perhaps priming us for rising prices across the board? I think perhaps it is food and gas prices that will be first noticed by the "average" American when inflation really kicks in.
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The mainstream media is starting to talk about the rising food prices due to the drought. Perhaps priming us for rising prices across the board? I think perhaps it is food and gas prices that will be first noticed by the "average" American when inflation really kicks in.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


When the Food price increases kick in it will be a perfect cover for QE3 (officially announced as they have never stopped printing to keep us bouncing)

Inflation is because of the drought not us printing money !
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The mainstream media is starting to talk about the rising food prices due to the drought. Perhaps priming us for rising prices across the board? I think perhaps it is food and gas prices that will be first noticed by the "average" American when inflation really kicks in.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


The Public will definitely notice the inflation in the food and energy first, that's what most people spend the vast majority of thier paycheck on...which of course is why they take those numbers OUT of the CPI (Consumer Price Index) which is what they base the published rate of inflation on!!!

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The mainstream media is starting to talk about the rising food prices due to the drought. Perhaps priming us for rising prices across the board? I think perhaps it is food and gas prices that will be first noticed by the "average" American when inflation really kicks in.
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The thing that had me convinced that we will see a crash anytime soon among other things, is how openly the MSM talks about liborgate, oil, food and pretty much everything in our daily life is getting manipulated. They are showing us how corrupt this system really is. Won't be long now.
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I bought a load of freeze dried food two years ago and have watched the prices since then...they have already DOUBLED. Probably more price gouging than inflation, but still. Couple this in with the Midwest drought and the shortages that will surely ensue and you had best do at least a little storage while you still can people, it ain't getting better fast!
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UBS Issues A Hyperinflation Warning For The U.S.A. and U.K...

From Zerohedge.com

From UBS: "We think that a creditor nation is less at risk of hyperinflation than a debtor nation, as a debtor nation relies not only on the confidence of domestic creditors, but also of foreign creditors. We therefore think that the hyperinflation risk to global investors is largest in the US and the UK.

Read More: [link to www.zerohedge.com]

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 Quoting: Saddletramp


I wonder if all the managers at UBS have been screened for psychopathy? If not, it means that 1/5 of them are probably berserk monsters putting out these studies.
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I bought a load of freeze dried food two years ago and have watched the prices since then...they have already DOUBLED. Probably more price gouging than inflation, but still. Couple this in with the Midwest drought and the shortages that will surely ensue and you had best do at least a little storage while you still can people, it ain't getting better fast!
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The sad part is that many, many people still do not think the rising food prices are a problem or that they'll be influenced much. My own in-laws are like this. NO stored food, no plan, and I don't think they care.

What percentage of Americans are on food stamps now? I think I read last week it was over 50% now? What happens to them when the food prices increase by double or more? Their dependency is going to strengthen and their "benefits" will buy less. Who is going to get blamed then? Because we all know someone is going to get blamed. The government is running out of money, I don't see how this situation could even pretend to be sustainable.

I am afraid that this will end very poorly (and perhaps violently) for a lot of people. I predict food riots in a few months in the United States when this summer's harvest doesn't make it to store shelves. Corn alone is in 75% of store-bought items.
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How will this look a couple of years into it? Almost nobody owns their homes, land, or even their vehicles. The avergae middle class family that might have a little in the bank will burn through it fast. How high will unemployment get? Beyond 50%

I think this could easily be by far the worst economic collapse the world has ever seen. It will be global. Any currency that escapes through lack of exposure will be gutted by a collapse in exports when its relative value skyrockets.

My grandparents lived through the great depression. They claimed the only difference they could tell during the depression was all the drifters. Their families actually owned their land and they provided for themselves off that land. They were immune so long as the rain came and they could come up with a few dollars a year to pay property taxes. Sure they worked the fields barefoot, but they ate and had a home. You always hear about the people who lost everything during the depression, but you rarely hear about the ones who made it through just fine because they neither had nor needed money.

What percentage of our population could pull that off today? 5%?

I don't think we're headed for mad max, but this isn't going to be the 1930s all over again either. Honestly, I think that Russia and Argentina do not compare to what is store for much of the world, particularly the US and Europe.
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The mainstream media is starting to talk about the rising food prices due to the drought. Perhaps priming us for rising prices across the board? I think perhaps it is food and gas prices that will be first noticed by the "average" American when inflation really kicks in.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


The thing that had me convinced that we will see a crash anytime soon among other things, is how openly the MSM talks about liborgate, oil, food and pretty much everything in our daily life is getting manipulated. They are showing us how corrupt this system really is. Won't be long now.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


The MSM is finally jumping on board because they don't want to look like total idiots when it all comes down...

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THIS is the doom that I'm afraid of.
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This^^^^^

The idea that all your hard earned cash could become worthless....and has for many around the world--why not here?

This will incite those who would not previously act.....horrible to think about.
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In other words, UBS BELIEVES THAT THIS >>>>>>>>>>>. Thread: ************* BLAZAR IS COMING!!!!!!!!*********%$25@%@%@%**************************8 (Page 19)

IS COMING! AND ALMOST HERE.
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How will this look a couple of years into it? Almost nobody owns their homes, land, or even their vehicles. The avergae middle class family that might have a little in the bank will burn through it fast. How high will unemployment get? Beyond 50%

I think this could easily be by far the worst economic collapse the world has ever seen. It will be global. Any currency that escapes through lack of exposure will be gutted by a collapse in exports when its relative value skyrockets.

My grandparents lived through the great depression. They claimed the only difference they could tell during the depression was all the drifters. Their families actually owned their land and they provided for themselves off that land. They were immune so long as the rain came and they could come up with a few dollars a year to pay property taxes. Sure they worked the fields barefoot, but they ate and had a home. You always hear about the people who lost everything during the depression, but you rarely hear about the ones who made it through just fine because they neither had nor needed money.

What percentage of our population could pull that off today? 5%?

I don't think we're headed for mad max, but this isn't going to be the 1930s all over again either. Honestly, I think that Russia and Argentina do not compare to what is store for much of the world, particularly the US and Europe.
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The differences between America today and the Great Depression era are pretty vast, though Ben Bernake doesn't quite understand that yet.

First, the population of the world is roughly 5-6 times bigger than it was during the world depression of the 30's, so we will have that many more people totally dependant on help from either government or charitable organizations. Also, in the 30's, roughly half of the U.S. Population was considered rural, today, less than 5% is considered rural...so your 5% number is probably in the ball park.

The Urbanisation of our population has done two things, first when they lose their jobs, 2/3 of them don't hit the road looking for a new one like they did in the 30's, they stay and get on govt benefits, so you don't have as much dysporia in this crisis, but it also serves to make our cities a hell hole of poverty and crime. This also means 95% plus will have NO IDEA how to live off of the land or grow their own food...

All these factors will make this crisis much worse than the reset of the 1930's...
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Let me guess

Hyper inflation they know as they were part of it

Just in time to come clean before we go on a hunt for compensation (retrabution)
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This also means 95% plus will have NO IDEA how to live off of the land or grow their own food...

All these factors will make this crisis much worse than the reset of the 1930's...
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Saddletramp, I admire your optimism, but 5% is grossly overestimated. Just because 5% of people live rurally doesn't mean they know how to grow food let alone live off the land. It's going to be BAD.

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