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Those of us that aren't sheep and are aware of how this civilization is in decline, whether end of the age or solar doom....
We work towards trying to ensure our survival. It may be buying an extra dozen canned goods each trip to the store.
Could be your garden.
I have a gardening thread. There have been alot of good contributions for that.
Here's a link:

Thread: Gardening, take another look before winter

What I would like most here is advice, links to water filters, gear, things you've found that will help you weather the storm that is quickly building.

Methods you've developed to enhance your actions. Like the paper mulch suggested for gardening. Or how putting out a bird feeder and watering bird bath attracts the birds that will eat the bugs around your garden.
I've done those things and the bugs have vanished...

If you're armed, how about gear tips, or ammo deals or....

Myself, I'm busting my butt in a big garden. Some days up at 2 am or earlier, woking with lights at night because the sun is killing us during the day.

Last year I learned rebuilding chainsaws. This year I'm learning ATV's. Bought an old quad cheap, fixed all the problems and about to start on a 3 wheeler I bought for $94..

As far as weapons, yeah I like guns. I'm a pretty fair gunsmith. I reload. I shoot high power rifle.
I have however downsized alot. I'm down to one pistol right now. It and one rifle is all I can carry if I bug out....
And a big pack of course.

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Today I will be setting connibear traps. As cantelope and watermelons begin to produce, my "community salad bar" also becomes the snack hotspot of the county.
I got most of a hotwire barrier up yesterday. 90% done. I either need to find more insulators in my shed, make more or buy more to complete that.

I bought a 200SX Honda quad, 1986 for $400 2 months ago. Broke a steering link last week at 30 mph....
Could have been bad....I was rip tearing up the drive but didn't lose it.
Need to fix that today.
Been working on a pile of CB radios I've been buying for 2 years. I have a dozen hand helds, some top of the line Maxon, Cobra, and some kiddie toy type.
This week I got an older Cobra full size 148 NW ST, nice old radio. Am or upper or lower sideband. Cool.
Precursor to the newer 148GTL I think.
I almost bought 2 of the new ones this spring, $160 list price each. I've got several meters, this radio started at 2 watts output. I peaked and tuned it up to 5 watts, swings to 17 with modulation.
Bought it from an ex trucker at the flea market. 3 weeks ago I saw it and he wanted $40 for it. This Tusday he still had it and I got it for $30.....
That's a $200 radio as far as I'm concerned. I'm very pleased with that find.

Today, more radios.
Till it gets hot I'll be watering the garden, setting one trap or maybe 2. The digging won't be easy but I'm not feeding the whole county this year.

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Howdy Henry,

Good for you for creating an exchange for people to trade tips. I do that too in the Last minute thread for parents when the SHTF, but not linking it, since I hope people will visit many places to find ways to learn the old ways.

One thing people don't think to stock up on is vitamins. While there are ways to gather herbs in the field to get Vitamin C and K and even Calcium, it might be that the drought will kill some of these, and of course they are seasonal. Pine needle tea will always get you by for Vitamin C and avoid scurvy.

Children especially need vitamins, and there have been many cases of malnutrition in history. It definitely occurred during pioneer days, during times of an influx of immigrants, and during the Great Depression. People often didn't eat regularly and this stunted growth.

Bone remodeling occurs under load. What this means is that the more work you do with heavy labor, then the skeleton will rebuild the scaffold of its frame. In order to do that, it will pull calcium from somewhere, and a terrible robbing from Peter to pay Paul will occur unless you get calcium somewhere. Not too many milk cows in a collapse situation, not unless you are very lucky. School milk programs were invented to help alleviate Rickets, which result in the body stealing from femurs to remodel elsewhere. The outcome was horrible with bowed legs which crippled folks. Expect this to occur.

If you had vitamins stored up, and rotate them, then you'd have a cushion to prevent this.

Sometimes people in one area didn't have a nutritional disease even though their diet was similar. For example, Pellagra is deficiency of niacin, which is B3. By soaking the corn in wood ash, it helps release the Niacin and makes it more easily available. Learning about little things like that from history will help people cope too, once they begin growing things again themselves.

Childbearing women especially need to consider vitamins since birth control may be unavailable. When pregnant, then you need folic acid desperately. If you don't get it very early in the first 8 weeks, then the growing infant may have malformed spinal columns. This is a primary reason breakfast cereals are dosed with it in order to prevent these conditions.

They'll also need iron from the vast increase in blood supply, and calcium, otherwise the mother's body will get weaker as the baby's nutritional needs pull from her supply. Vitamin C is used to form collagen, so scurvy will become more readily noticeable in pregnant mothers. Some natural sources of Vitamin C also contain chemicals which are not good for pregnancy, so this means anticipating this and planning for alternate sources.
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Bought ten cans of cream corn for winter. I use it to thicken homemade vegetable soup. Canned corn will increase in price around September due to the drought.

I also bought 3 gallons of apple cider vinegar. So many uses, cleaning, adding it to very dirty laundry/work clothes. Apple cider vinegar will kill ordinary fungus, keep mold from growing. Good to spray on insect bites and poison ivy.

Bought a year supply of dish detergent, bath soap, shampoo, clothes detergent, anti-bacterial wipes "Wet Ones."
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beacht9 Well a couple of months ago I took advantage of a sale and really stocked up on Thornton's chocolates, (their a pricey brand in the UK) but then except for one solitary box I ate them. And last Monday I got a dozen jars of McKay's Scottish marmalade.

There is only so much you can do in the UK with 60 million or so people on less land than in California.

But if I was you I'd take a look at Carey Pitts horse powers. I reckon a handyman like you could knock them up easily from abandoned machinery. There will be a big demand for engines and horses, mules etc can earn their keep by other ways than plowing and carting. [link to www.buffalopitts.com]

There are plenty of designs for smaller ones from one to six HP.

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A lot of people assume that a generator will be useful. Personally I doubt it. They are very loud and will attract undue attention.

Why have one? Primarily it's an issue of saving your refrigerator and freeze food. Most likely the best strategy is not to rely heavily upon those kinds of items now, but to switch to more canned based storage. Only fruits can be canned without a pressure cooker.

This means altering the normal way of consuming your food, using up what will spoil first. It's easier to eat it before it spoils than waste it. It might be wiser for neighborhoods to divide it up too rather than it going to waste.

Even if you had one, you could only use it on a very limited basis to briefly power up at odd times, and then ultimately the diesel or gas will run out. I believe that money could be better allocated.

If the SHTF, the time that you use a generator will be very short. You'll adjust when you do things based upon the length of the day and sunlight. Having lots of open flames inside will cause accidental fires by people unused to using candles, so special precautions must be made. It's far better to have a solar panel and a marine deep cycle battery and an inverter to recharge your batteries for long lasting LED lighting. Bring inside rechargeable solar outdoor lights to use them too and save your battery flashlights.

Candles burn inefficiently. Oil lamps burn better, but of course if one tips over, unless it has the safety feature, can cause a terrible fire. Ultimately the paraffin oil will run out and you won't be to fire it. Some people might make vegetable oil lamps, but it's not smart as it would be far better to add that oil to meals for calories and energy than to waste it on unnecessary light for peace of mind. Save all dripping when cooking as well to get more calories per meal.

If its an issue of using the generator to stay warm, well then it won't last. Put everyone in the same room and try to keep that one room warm, but maintain air flow if using combustible material inside as carbon monoxide will bind more easily to hemoglobin than oxygen, and people often will die in their sleep.

It would be very wise to purchase inexpensive 55 gallon or equivalent food grade barrels for water storage given the huge need for water and the seasons when water collection is difficult. You'd fill these up before things get iffy and rotate it and add to it keeping a reservoir. Many water municipalities will run out of water treatment chlorine and no doubt will try to ration it to maintain the supply for a while, but the integrity will decrease.

Sewage systems will fail, and if you live in a low lying area, it could back up into your home. You might have to cap it off.
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This just posted to my gardening thread:


I think I got my hot wire up just in time.
Found another short this morning, You have to check at least twice a day if you have much up. I've got about 300' with an additional 100' that criss crosses at up and down angles to discourage the deer, who can decimate 800 stalks of corn in one or two nights.
Mark Koernke (Michigan Militia) has a cute story about a plague of racoons that invaded a mans' sweet corn field that he says "looked like an invasion of zombies".
In the headlights, every eye turned towards the intrusive light......it appeared the SMELL of ripe sweetcorn travels over the entire county.........

You can hear his story about 15 minutes into the 9 am ET show, 7/19/12, it won't be posted till 6pm Eastern time typically, here:
[link to home.comcast.net]
Also an excellent source of intel about ussian special forces activities in the US and sales of ammo and surplus gear. I consider Mark and Don (night vision at 10% below dealer price) personal freinds. Never met them though.
They are in Michigan, I grew up in Michigan.

Last night, with a non-functioning hot wire, one critter ate a softball size cantelope, also ate 1/4 of a large green tomatoe 3' away, then proceded to check on the corn. Pulled down one stalk, 3 ears, didn't eat anything.
I just ate one, pretty tasty, almost like candy.
I pushed the stalk back up and intertwined it into the ones next to it, hopefully it will finish the ears.....

One of my 40' open runs of wire that gets power down the hill to my 10' X 25' patch of white albino zuchini and watermelons. The pull of the wire had twisted the clip on plastic insulator on a fencepost. I added wire to stabilize it. Which reminds me, need to check and make sure I plugged it back in.
Major failure of defenses when you do that.
No matter how extensive and thorough your hot wire, if it ain't plugged in, it ain't doing shit.
It was unplugged. Banana head.

I made a mixture of Neems' oil and fruit tree spray.
Forgot to mention that Neems recommends puttng a couple drops of organic dish soap into the mix, that helps it to stay in solution. If you ordered some neems pick up some organic dish soap next trip to the store.
You can use regular dish soap however. If you are a strict organic nut get the good stuff, costs double.
Edit; forgot to say I sprayed my tomatoes, a few were flat on the bottom with rot.....not on the ground. one garden poster says not to get the leaves of tomatoes wet.....maybe that's my problem. I think the plants like it and hat it helps keep the tomatoe skins from getting like leather when they dry out.....maybe the plants like it but if it is contributing to the rot problem I need to stop that.....

Also the grasshopper have begun eating holes in my maters......was a big problem last year.
They seem to really dislike the neems oil. Sprayed my corn with that mixture too.
The one ear of corn I ate did have a worm at the top of the ear........I will have to cut away 1-1 1/2 ' of every ear, I'm sure there will be alot of the corn worms.

I also spread some ground corn around my water pan for the birds.

I've been noticing alot of dragon flies. Lots of dragon flies. Maybe 10-20 in the air over my yard at one time. Cool. I hope they like flying grasshoppers.
Mosquitos have been fewer in the last week or so. It's dryer than a popcorn fart though. That I'm sure is part of it.

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I think I will always have an infinity for self reliance. My favorite trick is to have on hand a few large rat traps. You can nail these to a tree, bait them, and then set them.

A squirrel will come to feed and get trapped. Dinner time in a stressful survival situation.

This technique, in my opinion, surpasses the classic snare.

So, to get back on topic If I were to have prepped today, it would have been to acquire some rat traps and put them somewhere until I needed them.
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Those of us that aren't sheep and are aware of how this civilization is in decline, whether end of the age or solar doom....
We work towards trying to ensure our survival. It may be buying an extra dozen canned goods each trip to the store.
Could be your garden.
I have a gardening thread. There have been alot of good contributions for that.
Here's a link:

Thread: Gardening, take another look before winter

What I would like most here is advice, links to water filters, gear, things you've found that will help you weather the storm that is quickly building.

Methods you've developed to enhance your actions. Like the paper mulch suggested for gardening. Or how putting out a bird feeder and watering bird bath attracts the birds that will eat the bugs around your garden.
I've done those things and the bugs have vanished...

If you're armed, how about gear tips, or ammo deals or....

Myself, I'm busting my butt in a big garden. Some days up at 2 am or earlier, woking with lights at night because the sun is killing us during the day.

Last year I learned rebuilding chainsaws. This year I'm learning ATV's. Bought an old quad cheap, fixed all the problems and about to start on a 3 wheeler I bought for $94..

As far as weapons, yeah I like guns. I'm a pretty fair gunsmith. I reload. I shoot high power rifle.
I have however downsized alot. I'm down to one pistol right now. It and one rifle is all I can carry if I bug out....
And a big pack of course.

Keep it civil. Be polite. Thank you ahead of time.

Enjoy!!!
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I posted this awhile back:

Thread: Macguyver-style Inventions for SHTF
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Howdy Henry,

Good for you for creating an exchange for people to trade tips. I do that too in the Last minute thread for parents when the SHTF, but not linking it, since I hope people will visit many places to find ways to learn the old ways.

One thing people don't think to stock up on is vitamins. While there are ways to gather herbs in the field to get Vitamin C and K and even Calcium, it might be that the drought will kill some of these, and of course they are seasonal. Pine needle tea will always get you by for Vitamin C and avoid scurvy.

Children especially need vitamins, and there have been many cases of malnutrition in history. It definitely occurred during pioneer days, during times of an influx of immigrants, and during the Great Depression. People often didn't eat regularly and this stunted growth.

Bone remodeling occurs under load. What this means is that the more work you do with heavy labor, then the skeleton will rebuild the scaffold of its frame. In order to do that, it will pull calcium from somewhere, and a terrible robbing from Peter to pay Paul will occur unless you get calcium somewhere. Not too many milk cows in a collapse situation, not unless you are very lucky. School milk programs were invented to help alleviate Rickets, which result in the body stealing from femurs to remodel elsewhere. The outcome was horrible with bowed legs which crippled folks. Expect this to occur.

If you had vitamins stored up, and rotate them, then you'd have a cushion to prevent this.

Sometimes people in one area didn't have a nutritional disease even though their diet was similar. For example, Pellagra is deficiency of niacin, which is B3. By soaking the corn in wood ash, it helps release the Niacin and makes it more easily available. Learning about little things like that from history will help people cope too, once they begin growing things again themselves.

Childbearing women especially need to consider vitamins since birth control may be unavailable. When pregnant, then you need folic acid desperately. If you don't get it very early in the first 8 weeks, then the growing infant may have malformed spinal columns. This is a primary reason breakfast cereals are dosed with it in order to prevent these conditions.

They'll also need iron from the vast increase in blood supply, and calcium, otherwise the mother's body will get weaker as the baby's nutritional needs pull from her supply. Vitamin C is used to form collagen, so scurvy will become more readily noticeable in pregnant mothers. Some natural sources of Vitamin C also contain chemicals which are not good for pregnancy, so this means anticipating this and planning for alternate sources.
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Excellent. Also, as our food is continued to be turned to dung lacking nutrition and full of unhealthy GMO and chemical contaminants.......I read that vitamins and herbal remedies have been banned in Europe? Is that right?
I've also been reading they (asswipes in CONgress) are pushing to do it in the US to enhance to globalist agenda of big poison pharmacology......
Where's the rope?

During pregnancy my ex went bonkers. Midwife said it was lack of Lithium. Sea salt is a good source for that. Trace amounts is all it takes.
I can't recommend any brands of vitamins, like above poster says many are bastardized with oddball unhelpful chemicals.

Thanks for that post, good contribution.
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Bought ten cans of cream corn for winter. I use it to thicken homemade vegetable soup. Canned corn will increase in price around September due to the drought.

I also bought 3 gallons of apple cider vinegar. So many uses, cleaning, adding it to very dirty laundry/work clothes. Apple cider vinegar will kill ordinary fungus, keep mold from growing. Good to spray on insect bites and poison ivy.

Bought a year supply of dish detergent, bath soap, shampoo, clothes detergent, anti-bacterial wipes "Wet Ones."
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I told the GF to once again stock up on feminine supplies.
In a failure of our "just in time" delivery system it will be the biggest thing that would give any female fits.

Good for you. I like the cream corn for soup, good thinkin.
I don't care much for it by itself, I'll keep that in mind. When I start picking this giant bounty of sweet corn I'm expecting, it'll go into pint jars most likely. Quarts would just be too much at once. if I cut from the ears by hand (how else?) it's gonna be cream corn I geuss.
Soup starter is a super idea.
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What I would like most here is advice,
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beacht9 Well a couple of months ago I took advantage of a sale and really stocked up on Thornton's chocolates, (their a pricey brand in the UK) but then except for one solitary box I ate them. And last Monday I got a dozen jars of McKay's Scottish marmalade.

There is only so much you can do in the UK with 60 million or so people on less land than in California.

But if I was you I'd take a look at Carey Pitts horse powers. I reckon a handyman like you could knock them up easily from abandoned machinery. There will be a big demand for engines and horses, mules etc can earn their keep by other ways than plowing and carting. [link to www.buffalopitts.com]

There are plenty of designs for smaller ones from one to six HP.
 Quoting: Judethz


WOW, what a gold mine.
Interesting to note the Omish man, Chris, I bought a giant cantelope from for $3 at the flea market this week has horse "treadmills".
I have dealt with him several times and I think have made freinds.
We talked for 20 minutes. I got directions to his place and I'm really looking forward to seeing his design.
He runs an old fashioned driveline to power his shop without electricity, using horses........

Is that you in a bikini?
OOh baby. come to America......

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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
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A lot of people assume that a generator will be useful. Personally I doubt it. They are very loud and will attract undue attention.

Why have one? Primarily it's an issue of saving your refrigerator and freeze food. Most likely the best strategy is not to rely heavily upon those kinds of items now, but to switch to more canned based storage. Only fruits can be canned without a pressure cooker.

This means altering the normal way of consuming your food, using up what will spoil first. It's easier to eat it before it spoils than waste it. It might be wiser for neighborhoods to divide it up too rather than it going to waste.

Even if you had one, you could only use it on a very limited basis to briefly power up at odd times, and then ultimately the diesel or gas will run out. I believe that money could be better allocated.

If the SHTF, the time that you use a generator will be very short. You'll adjust when you do things based upon the length of the day and sunlight. Having lots of open flames inside will cause accidental fires by people unused to using candles, so special precautions must be made. It's far better to have a solar panel and a marine deep cycle battery and an inverter to recharge your batteries for long lasting LED lighting. Bring inside rechargeable solar outdoor lights to use them too and save your battery flashlights.

Candles burn inefficiently. Oil lamps burn better, but of course if one tips over, unless it has the safety feature, can cause a terrible fire. Ultimately the paraffin oil will run out and you won't be to fire it. Some people might make vegetable oil lamps, but it's not smart as it would be far better to add that oil to meals for calories and energy than to waste it on unnecessary light for peace of mind. Save all dripping when cooking as well to get more calories per meal.

If its an issue of using the generator to stay warm, well then it won't last. Put everyone in the same room and try to keep that one room warm, but maintain air flow if using combustible material inside as carbon monoxide will bind more easily to hemoglobin than oxygen, and people often will die in their sleep.

It would be very wise to purchase inexpensive 55 gallon or equivalent food grade barrels for water storage given the huge need for water and the seasons when water collection is difficult. You'd fill these up before things get iffy and rotate it and add to it keeping a reservoir. Many water municipalities will run out of water treatment chlorine and no doubt will try to ration it to maintain the supply for a while, but the integrity will decrease.

Sewage systems will fail, and if you live in a low lying area, it could back up into your home. You might have to cap it off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10689495


I've got a couple 50 gal poly drums that had food grade cooking oil in them. Never cleaned them out.
I might put one under one eves trough downspout that "azzhole" took one of the 800 gal water tanks I had from......(they ARE his, he paid for them),
Put some dish soap into the 50 gal drums and let the rain water that's not getting to the other end into another 800 gal tank and let it rinse that for me.......
Need to get them clean and filled.
Thanks for reminding me.

also, been thinking of buildng an out house........

Dangit, my list just keeps growing.

I do have 4 generators. Only one is running though. 2 need minor repairs (my list again) but in the event of needing electrical power would only be used briefly. I do have a little stored fuel, premium no ethanol with added sea foam for long term storage. I would run one only long enough to get everything out of my small freezer and canned.

I'm needing to get after my 12 volt lighting and radio system.....need $$$$ for batteries. Don't have enough.

Just got a propane delivery.
Price is dirt cheap right now. Wish I had more $$, price right now is $1.19 per gallon.......
Also intend to set up one generator on propane.
I think orifice is #56 drill bit?

I need to check that. Of course that is based on size of motor. And all the other variables, I know.

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Sharpened my K-Bar and MAde some copper tipped arrows.
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Nice thread op. I look forward to contributing to it.

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I bought 200 rounds of 9mm yesterday after work.

Today:
Canned corn and more water...
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Re the feminine products:

I'm a guy, but I've studied up on this. Birth control is a big dose of female hormones in order to prevent normal ovulation. When they stop taking this, the body attempts to return to a regular menstrual cycle, but in the transition there's a major flow at first. Very heavy bleeding will happen that might cause fear since it's unexpected from abnormally low flow from taking the birth control pills.

Also, when many women live together, they tend to synchronize their cycle too.

OK, let's say that you're bugging out during this process. This could be a serious issue with tons of hiking. You have to consider this carefully.

I've heard that these products could be used for a wound dressing too, and that may be very important. It follows due to it's normal use to staunch flow.

Under stress people tend to either have more sex or less depending upon the way they cope with danger. A lack of birth control and potential pregnancy under less than ideal conditions means that understanding basic gynecological issues like urinary infections, early pregnancy issues, unusual spotting, breech births, etc might occur and be dealt with no backup.

Under stress and malnutrition, a woman may stop ovulating regularly based upon Nature's way of preventing pregnancy. This can cause confusion with folks unsure if they've missed a period.

There are three books I recommend that are free from the Hesperian Foundation: When there is no doctor, When there is no dentist, and A book for midwives. They can downloaded for free and would be very important to have.
[link to hesperian.org]
These are made for conditions where there is a lack of medical equipment.
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Re the Outhouse

Got to make sure in a tribal society that outhouses are made in area that are far away from the well site. Same thing with burial plots and the garden.

I had a link in my topic "Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF" which explained how to best do outhouses. Don't remember if I deleted it. Some Peace Corps volunteers and some missionary societies have been experimenting with better ways of dealing with the solid waste issues for ensuring high enough bacteria activity to digest it, but to eliminate the harmful bacteria too and keep it from leeching into ground water.

There's also usually a chapter on dealing with insects in the outhouse. Seems like much of that is by using screen material in the venting as I recall.

Urine is usually diverted, not mixed in for ideal sanitation and digestion. Urine was then saved for the crops since it's a good fertilizer. Urine is also a mordant, a fixative for pigments in order to dye cloth. That means saving it for this purpose, hence the term "piss pots".

Night soil is a dangerous way to apply solid waste on crops, and sometimes people think you can compost it and then apply it to crops, but I think it's a bad idea.

The very best composted manure comes from rabbits, so often this is a great use for their pellets to keep the compost pile cooking and to lay that down instead in the garden with an end of the season application so that it doesn't tie up nitrogen in the soil as it decays.
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Nice thread op. I look forward to contributing to it.

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Wel, thanky Sir.

Just had a propane truck stop for a delivery. Mentioned it above while I was editing another post.

I got those 2 50 gal poly drums out and put 1/4 cup of dish soap into each with a big 12" diameter funnel.
It's raining.....
Thank YOU Lord.
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Sharpened my K-Bar and MAde some copper tipped arrows.
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Yeah buddy. K-bar.
I've got 3 of the older US made USMC Kabars. It's my preferred blade. It's what I carry hunting. It's what's in my kit, it's what I cut most of my venison with too.
Even skinning.
almost that time again......I need to sharpen my K-bars too.
More for my list.
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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
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Never heard that.
My experience last year with venison, either alone or with tomatoes and peppers was interesting.
Meats need 90 minutes at 15#.....that's alot.
Venison, raw meat I think should be thoroughly cooked.
Peppers are a bit like green beens, they tend to gat sal manila, I think if undercooked.

I found many lids had buckled....cheap ass chinese fuggers. It would appear that they have gone to a thinner gauge metal....Saves what, 1/10 of a penny per lid?
AZZholes.
Edit to add: all jars did seal with no issues. Haven't found any that have lost seal either. Rinkled lids were disturbing to see however.
Now, My stuff was thoroughly cooked already. In giant pots as I mix my spices and all the peppers and maters.
So I did a couple of my last batches at 10# and I think 40 minutes.
Don't trust my memory though, it sucks.....go with what your canning book says.

I have re-used lids from previous years with good success.
I've been thinking that you could use maybe red silicone, in a SHTF situation where you have no new lids available.
Edit: I think smear with a finger a thin bead over the old seal, let set up 24 hours. Should work perfectly.
Again though, I assume no responsibilty for you getting sick.
I suggest you buy as many lids as you can afford. Jars too......

As far as not needing a pressure cooker any more because THE SHITTY THINNER CRAPPY IN EVERY WAY KINESE lids have a better rubber on them........I would be very skeptical.

I'l stick with my fleat of pressure cookers, thank you.
It's way too much labor to get a buck into a jar to risk a loss.

If you can find something on the interwebs that convinces you, go for it.

You now have your homework.
Go spend the day, document this, either way.....
and come back here and give us a link.
Thanks.

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From AC # 95:
[link to hesperian.org]

Important knowledge that can avoid stress and keep you healthy.

Added to favorites, thank you Sir.
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Indeed. I think it has been the main factor in my getting rain while most of our contry is dying of thirst.

I concur.
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made a list of all my neighbors that prep.
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made a list of all my neighbors that prep.
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That could be taken either way.......

Some of us you don't want to try to take from.
Especially if I've told you for years to do this or buy that, instead you bought the new big screen....

You will either end up compost, concubine or garden slave.

I'm not sure what you meant by that implicating statement since you didn't clarify.
While it is good to know who else is prepared, if you come to take what isn't yours,

See above. I'm not sure which category you fall into.
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Sharpened my K-Bar and MAde some copper tipped arrows.
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Yeah buddy. K-bar.
I've got 3 of the older US made USMC Kabars. It's my preferred blade. It's what I carry hunting. It's what's in my kit, it's what I cut most of my venison with too.
Even skinning.
almost that time again......I need to sharpen my K-bars too.
More for my list.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


Any recommendations on knives/machetes and sharpeners?
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made a list of all my neighbors that prep.
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That could be taken either way.......

Some of us you don't want to try to take from.
Especially if I've told you for years to do this or buy that, instead you bought the new big screen....

You will either end up compost, concubine or garden slave.

I'm not sure what you meant by that implicating statement since you didn't clarify.
While it is good to know who else is prepared, if you come to take what isn't yours,

See above. I'm not sure which category you fall into.
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lol
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Good nutrition, as long as we can. Breakfast of 3 Omish eggs scrambled with rice left over frm chinese...GF's weekness......and 2 big banana and one large green bell peppers.
2 small fresh tomatoes.
Man I love my garden. Picked some extra to start stuffing the dehydrator.......
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Sharpened my K-Bar and MAde some copper tipped arrows.
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Yeah buddy. K-bar.
I've got 3 of the older US made USMC Kabars. It's my preferred blade. It's what I carry hunting. It's what's in my kit, it's what I cut most of my venison with too.
Even skinning.
almost that time again......I need to sharpen my K-bars too.
More for my list.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


Any recommendations on knives/machetes and sharpeners?
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It used to be that whenever we did a turbine job, whether Siemens or GE they gave each Millwright a new sharpening stone.
Years ago they were natural stone. These days they are manmade, kinda shitty.
IF you get one. Bastages are getting to be real tightwads, even to the point it reaches up and bites them in the ass.

Buy at least one good stone. Learn to use it.
Diamond steels are good too.
For a quick edge I like belt sanders. An old tired belt works well.

You will find with years of experience to go slow, light pressure. It takes time and work. The lighter you do the job, switch sides each stroke, the better the edge. If you do it wrong, damage will be minimum. Angles are most important.

Get somebody with experience to show you. Watch the guy at the gun show that sharpens with belt sander.

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