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What did you do to Prep today?

 
HnryBwmn (OP)

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I refuse to cow down in fear of my government. Keeping some food and extra ammo is my right and I keep them. I am not plotting anything but survival.

I will not change because of tyrants. I will not hide my face. I have food. I have ammo. Tough. So do millions of others. Every true country home has weeks or more of food....and ammo.

If you have explosives stacked up alongside your green beans then you might want to keep hush hush about all that. But I do not, so I do not fear that my typing the word "explosives" online is going to get me sent to a FEMA camp.
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Howdy Henry,

Here is a video which explains how to simply make copper arrowheads from copper pipe with minimal tools. I think it's the easiest way to do this versus flintknapping from stone. When I was very young and wanting to learn primitive skills, then I was taught to use the bottoms of discarded glass bottles and a tool (a bit of copper pushed into a handle) and to chip away to form a sharp edge with it by flaking it off. It makes something much like an obsidian arrowhead.


Of course this means access to copper pipe, files, a vise, etc. Almost everyone could make the glass arrowheads.
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Thanks for that. Made me think of inserting a razor blade into the tip too.
Could rivet or braze in place.
At the end of the video the others that come up are pretty good too.
I now have 3 older PSE 80# compund bows, along with others.
I've been planning to make one into a crossbow using a laminated wood stock from a Savage rifle.
My idea was to design it so at full draw the limbs would be closer to the stock.....3 years ago I was at Bass Pro and somebody else had that idea too......

About $800.

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Re removing oil from food grade plastic barrels

My barrels have a removable lid with a metal clamp to ensure integrity. I don't know about yours. In mine, I entered into them and scrubbed them out with some dawn dish liquid and a scrubby and rinsed them numerous times, then used a mild bleach solution, then rinse them an insane amount of times to remove that too. Then I clamped them off to keep them pristine and ready for use.

It might be that you can't use them for water. I hope you can.
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Barrels are available in the area that are food grade.

I do have 3-800 gal water tanks under my eaves collecting rainwater. Doesn't last real long to water the garden though.

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One of the very best ways you can prep is to watch a documentary called Frontier House. It was made many years ago for public broadasting and can be found in public libraries or purchased.
[link to www.pbs.org]

In that reality experiment, they took non-preppers with few agrarian skills, and put them in Montana for a period to see if they could make it. They had various tools that a pioneer family might have as they arrived, or that they could purchase from local suppliers.

It really would be far more difficult in reality, but watching the episodes shows you what you could reasonably expect to have to do day-to-day. It also shows the stress of living under those circumstances, and the issues of sanitation, malnutrition, boredom, lack of sex, lack of romance, muscle soreness, harvesting from animals, lack of abundance, etc that would occur. We would be blessed to have as many tools and supplies as those folks in the series.

There also was a great series on living in the Yukon and trapping and moving from primitive shelter to shelter and occasionally foraging from the land. Can't remember the name, but I think it was this one.
[link to dsc.discovery.com]

Seems like there was a female tough old bird that went along too.

People think about bugging out and living off the land, a very unrealistic impossible long term solution. These videos will help you contemplate about the difficulties you are up against in making it. Only a third of people who trekked out West managed to stay. Many died of various causes, or lost it all simply because they couldn't handle it.

There was an enormous abundance of resources and species and skills in those days by comparison, and far lower population density, so you have to consider all of that
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Excellent post. I remember that pioneer series. I looked forward to each episode.

As I recall one fellow did real well, he cheated......

He built a still. I don't think they were using engines so it wasn't for fuel but he did well in bartering with the store for anything he needed. Liquor was and always will be useful for tinctures, fuel, and getting a buzz.
Humans always seem to have a desire and need for that.

Added to my list.
Actually, my off grid buddy is woking on a new one now.
There are at least 2 others in the area also.
I'm sure the Omish probably have some hidden too.

Appreciate those links.
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The very best longbow in medieval times was the English Longbow. While there isn't yew available everywhere (its wood is used to make tamoxifen, a breast cancer drug), there is often osage orange. It is comparable. The tips of the longbow were often metal clad. You push the bow with your weight, not pull the bowstring. This technique made the arrows fly ~ 200 yards, which was further than existing bows or crossbows. It was very accurate, and volleys were sent to eliminate the target. Not sure of the bowstrings. The arrows were called bodkin arrows and they penetrated thick wood and armor making them very deadly. It would be a very good thing to have around but requires a lot of practice. It is obviously quieter, but unlike a compound bow you cannot hold the tension since there are no pulleys to reduce the strain.

Crossbows are supposed to be easier to learn to shoot. They do require ratcheting (with a mechanism) and so are much slower to shoot and reload. They are supposed to be hard on their arrows and so more maintenance too. Up until much later in the medieval period the range was quite short ~160 yards max until ~1400 AD or so. Of course since you can ratchet one up, and then wait, that was a technological achievement.

Both would be great to have around with a supply of arrows. Hunting this way would be far better from the noise aspect versus a rifle, otherwise you have triangulation on your position.
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One of the very best ways you can prep is to watch a documentary called Frontier House. It was made many years ago for public broadasting and can be found in public libraries or purchased.
[link to www.pbs.org]

In that reality experiment, they took non-preppers with few agrarian skills, and put them in Montana for a period to see if they could make it. They had various tools that a pioneer family might have as they arrived, or that they could purchase from local suppliers.

It really would be far more difficult in reality, but watching the episodes shows you what you could reasonably expect to have to do day-to-day. It also shows the stress of living under those circumstances, and the issues of sanitation, malnutrition, boredom, lack of sex, lack of romance, muscle soreness, harvesting from animals, lack of abundance, etc that would occur. We would be blessed to have as many tools and supplies as those folks in the series.

There also was a great series on living in the Yukon and trapping and moving from primitive shelter to shelter and occasionally foraging from the land. Can't remember the name, but I think it was this one.
[link to dsc.discovery.com]

Seems like there was a female tough old bird that went along too.

People think about bugging out and living off the land, a very unrealistic impossible long term solution. These videos will help you contemplate about the difficulties you are up against in making it. Only a third of people who trekked out West managed to stay. Many died of various causes, or lost it all simply because they couldn't handle it.

There was an enormous abundance of resources and species and skills in those days by comparison, and far lower population density, so you have to consider all of that
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bump
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My pantry has run down in just a couple of areas, mostly fats and oils, it's a priority to build that back up, got a liter of olive oil today and will keep buying olive oil and coconut oil and some butter to freeze til I have it back where it was this time last year.

Spotted a good deal on canned beans today and going to go back when I can carry more, canned beans are about my most favorite thing to stock up on right now.

Just this week got a large order of vitamins, glad someone mentioned vitamins. Supplements and herbs and natural medicines are super good to have around regardless of any doom scenario.
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You might consider purchasing beans already prepped for long storage in 6-gallon pails as they take up less space and you do not have to prep them yourself.

In addition, you might wish to grow some herbs that can be helpful and healthful such as Cilantro and Basil both very easy to grow.

Emergency Essentials
[link to beprepared.com]

Superpails
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If you are stashing candles, get some gel candle wax. Stick a wick inside a thick glass jar (use a hot glue gun to stick the metal wick tab to the bottom of the jar), melt the gel and pour inside the container. Wrap the wick around a pencil and lay across the rim of the jar to keep the wick straight. An oz. of this gel wax will burn for around 15 hours. So for 10 oz. of gel you will have about 150 hours of burn time.
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Where do you get the gel? Good tip, thanks.
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You can buy it online and some craft stores sell it, but it's too expensive to buy little amounts in the store. Better to order online. just look up gel candle wax and you should find several places that sell it. You can buy it by the drum, too.
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I researched drip irrigation today. I'm exploring the possibility of drip irrigating about 2,000 row feet of crops. Drip irrigation is very efficient with the water.

Otherwise we will drain our pond if we try to just flood the crops with a gas powered pump. As it is the harvests are heavily dependent on rain. There are several wells on the property from pumps require electricity and heavy maintenance when you start pumping thousands of gallons a day. And wells dry up.

Come Sept. 1st I'll have $3,000 to spend on prepping. Atleast a grand will be to restock my depleted food stuffs (last year was rough for my household and we decimated an honest 3 month supply of stored up food). The rest can go any direction I want it to. I'll be buying some ammo, some fence wire, some tools, non-food supplies, etc. I'm very concerned that this will be the last time I get to spend a large sum on prepping. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make it until tax return season.
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I just tried soaker hoses for the first time on a row of okra I have on a slope. I also mulched very heavily with straw, about 5 inches thick. The difference in the okra I am getting now and in the past is phenomenal, no bugs or disease and the plants are producing more than ever before.

I am sure you know this, but if you need to save money, you can take old water hoses and poke some holes in them to make soaker hoses with. Just get connectors and you're good to go. I don't know how many old hoses I have tossed over the years, now I wish I had them.
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My pantry has run down in just a couple of areas, mostly fats and oils, it's a priority to build that back up, got a liter of olive oil today and will keep buying olive oil and coconut oil and some butter to freeze til I have it back where it was this time last year.

Spotted a good deal on canned beans today and going to go back when I can carry more, canned beans are about my most favorite thing to stock up on right now.

Just this week got a large order of vitamins, glad someone mentioned vitamins. Supplements and herbs and natural medicines are super good to have around regardless of any doom scenario.
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frozen oil? i thought oil would keep as long as it isnt opened.
 Quoting: Anubis


Was going to freeze the butter rose
Use this link to get $5.00 off your first order at Swanson Vitamins
[link to www.swansonvitamins.com]
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Garden is watered, 6 am.
No damage this morning. Thanks to hot wire. Nothing in the trap. A couple little pieces near were gone and it looked something, somehow got some of the pieces out of the hole. Not quite deep enough.
You also have to experiment with connibear traps. If you have the trip lever set too deep you could almost put your arm in and not trip it.
I leave the spring holding catches on and push the wiskers till the lever almost slips off. got to be careful not to get your fingers into the works.

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I treated myself to a gift today.

Tripp Lite PV 1000 HF PowerVerterUltra -Compact Inverter 12 V to 120 Vac 1000 Watts [4 ] 5-15 R Outlets

Amazon.Com on sale 214.44 Prime

Money well spent.

Keep your tanning salon, your maincures, your weekly hair salon appointments. I'd much rather have a Tripp Lite.
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I treated myself to a gift today.

Tripp Lite PV 1000 HF PowerVerterUltra -Compact Inverter 12 V to 120 Vac 1000 Watts [4 ] 5-15 R Outlets

Amazon.Com on sale 214.44 Prime

Money well spent.

Keep your tanning salon, your maincures, your weekly hair salon appointments. I'd much rather have a Tripp Lite.
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I am with ya OP! I'd much rather have useful things-guns,ammo,solar radio ect...as a gift rather than the vanity things. I got a Glock for Valentines Day instead of flowers! Best gift ever!
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I treated myself to a gift today.

Tripp Lite PV 1000 HF PowerVerterUltra -Compact Inverter 12 V to 120 Vac 1000 Watts [4 ] 5-15 R Outlets

Amazon.Com on sale 214.44 Prime

Money well spent.

Keep your tanning salon, your maincures, your weekly hair salon appointments. I'd much rather have a Tripp Lite.
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I am with ya OP! I'd much rather have useful things-guns,ammo,solar radio ect...as a gift rather than the vanity things. I got a Glock for Valentines Day instead of flowers! Best gift ever!
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Sorry! you're not OP, you're AC! LOL!
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I treated myself to a gift today.

Tripp Lite PV 1000 HF PowerVerterUltra -Compact Inverter 12 V to 120 Vac 1000 Watts [4 ] 5-15 R Outlets

Amazon.Com on sale 214.44 Prime

Money well spent.

Keep your tanning salon, your maincures, your weekly hair salon appointments. I'd much rather have a Tripp Lite.
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I am with ya OP! I'd much rather have useful things-guns,ammo,solar radio ect...as a gift rather than the vanity things. I got a Glock for Valentines Day instead of flowers! Best gift ever!
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Darn, all I got was a card.

I've got an 800 watt inverter around here someplace.
Got some batteries to get around too.
Another thing for my list.
A little bit of solar. Need alot more.
Almost 30 12V lights off old combines. Low current draw too. 35W sealed beam.
Gave the folks at the junkyard some big fat organic tomatoes from M&M tomatoes, another Omish freind.
I then got a price of $2 each for the lights. I took almost 30 of them off the farm equipment, mostly combines.
Every light I could find.
That's under $60, less than the price of about 4 of the delicate halogens that draw minimum 8 amps. enough to blow an ATVs' generator.
The 3 amp, 35W sealed beams, heavy glass with steel housings are perfect for 12V lighting and the bikes.

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I prepared physically by

going on a 7 mile run and workout out at the local monkey bars

6 cycles of

10 pull ups
10 dips
10 pike presses
10 burpees
10 v ups
10 box jumps
10 back extensions
10pull up leg raises
20 lunges
10 one leg step ups
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I prepped today by writing posts to encourage people to prep. The ultimate goal is to prep for the afterlife with the Source. The cure of souls is the prep at the apex.

Reading about nutritional deficiencies and outward signs so I can write a new posting for you folks. Trying to find the best videos on making pitch from birch bark and pine tar too as they are useful barter items post-collapse.

Helping other preppers is like working the flour so that the yeast of the Source can make the Bread of Life.
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I prepped today by writing posts to encourage people to prep. The ultimate goal is to prep for the afterlife with the Source. The cure of souls is the prep at the apex.

Reading about nutritional deficiencies and outward signs so I can write a new posting for you folks. Trying to find the best videos on making pitch from birch bark and pine tar too as they are useful barter items post-collapse.

Helping other preppers is like working the flour so that the yeast of the Source can make the Bread of Life.
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Pitch for what?

I was wondering about making glues after the stores close....I'm a leather craftsman.
Making and teaching how to make, footwear will make me indispensible post SHTF.
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Garden is watered. Hot wire checked. Did it's job, no raiders and no damage last night.

Need to pick peppers again. Picked some yesterday for the dehydrator. Need to get after that.

The first ears of my sweet corn is ready. Ears could be a bit bigger but I ate one this morning right off the stalk and it's super sweet. Bi-color "Peaches and Cream".

Damn, I find that picture at the bottom of the page disturbing.......

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I prepped today by writing posts to encourage people to prep. The ultimate goal is to prep for the afterlife with the Source. The cure of souls is the prep at the apex.

Reading about nutritional deficiencies and outward signs so I can write a new posting for you folks. Trying to find the best videos on making pitch from birch bark and pine tar too as they are useful barter items post-collapse.

Helping other preppers is like working the flour so that the yeast of the Source can make the Bread of Life.
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Pitch for what?

I was wondering about making glues after the stores close....I'm a leather craftsman.
Making and teaching how to make, footwear will make me indispensible post SHTF.
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Gonna have to wait. Still working on it. How about flaming arrows for one? Torches for outside use too.

In a post-collapse, we'll have to make things like solvents, cleaning supplies, flammable oils, etc since we can't buy them.
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Henry,

Re the glue, I have an enormous library, and I'll research ways to make it for you, but that will take time to go through them. I was taught to use eyeballs for primitive glue. No doubt when that seam opened up, then it was reapplied. Eyeballs are filled with aqueous humor and vitreous humor and the Native Americans used these fluids to make their glue.

The Pioneers would melt a hoof from deer that was set near the fire, then this glue was used for all kinds of things like arrow fletching. Obviously this would be thrown away by most folks, although it was common to use the these legs as excellent tool handles by Native Americans. Waste nothing.

For anyone wanting to easily search for old knowledge, many times Google has scanned a rare or very old text as the copyright has ended. Sometimes you can research the old way from historical or anthropology journals from the time period. This is an invaluable tool.

They also have Google Scholar for modern and authoritative academic work that is on going. Hope this helps.
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See this pdf for a detailed process of making a water soluble glue from deer sinew.
[link to www.paleotechnics.com]
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Checked out some yard sales. Came away with some real treasures. This lady gave them to me. A box of wide mouth mayo jars with metal lids. Clean and not a chip in them. I'll wash them in warm, soapy water, rinse well and let them air dry. I'll fill some with sugar and some with salt. Label them, and put them in my prep pantry. The mayo jars will keep the salt and sugar free from insects and dampness.

She also gave some clay flower pots and some garden tools.

I bought a bamboo trellis [ handmade ] for 3.00. I bought a small wagon for 10.00.

Oh yeah, am I happy? Happy as a coon in the corn.

Couldn't resist that last comment, Henry. ha ha
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I have my dehydrator working overtime the past couple of days. I was able to get 5 lbs. ground turkey cooked up and dehydrated and am currently working on dehydrating 25 lbs. of sweet potatoes, that when dehydrated I will also make into a powder, before storing.

Anyone else have suggestions of what all to dehydrate that are not the everyday run of the mill food items.
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how do you survive a world nuclair meltdown ??
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Henry,

Re the glue, I have an enormous library, and I'll research ways to make it for you, but that will take time to go through them. I was taught to use eyeballs for primitive glue. No doubt when that seam opened up, then it was reapplied. Eyeballs are filled with aqueous humor and vitreous humor and the Native Americans used these fluids to make their glue.

The Pioneers would melt a hoof from deer that was set near the fire, then this glue was used for all kinds of things like arrow fletching. Obviously this would be thrown away by most folks, although it was common to use the these legs as excellent tool handles by Native Americans. Waste nothing.

For anyone wanting to easily search for old knowledge, many times Google has scanned a rare or very old text as the copyright has ended. Sometimes you can research the old way from historical or anthropology journals from the time period. This is an invaluable tool.

They also have Google Scholar for modern and authoritative academic work that is on going. Hope this helps.
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Both you pich info and glue info would be most valuable. Just went swimming but I find myself daydreaming about making glue from hooves.
I come back here and you do too.
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See this pdf for a detailed process of making a water soluble glue from deer sinew.
[link to www.paleotechnics.com]
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Excellent. Saved in 2 places on my computer.

Thank you,thank you.5a
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Checked out some yard sales. Came away with some real treasures. This lady gave them to me. A box of wide mouth mayo jars with metal lids. Clean and not a chip in them. I'll wash them in warm, soapy water, rinse well and let them air dry. I'll fill some with sugar and some with salt. Label them, and put them in my prep pantry. The mayo jars will keep the salt and sugar free from insects and dampness.

She also gave some clay flower pots and some garden tools.

I bought a bamboo trellis [ handmade ] for 3.00. I bought a small wagon for 10.00.

Oh yeah, am I happy? Happy as a coon in the corn.

Couldn't resist that last comment, Henry. ha ha
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Went swimming twith the GF.

Back feels better. Picked up some butter for lunch with corn.
Having vanilla frozen yogurt with blackberry jam I made 2 weeks ago.

I really enjoy flea markets. I don't get to hit many yard sales. I'm usually broke......

I sometimes have a big pile of money but it tends to go quick when I have no faith in the economy or this system.
I always turn it into hard goods.
Like the 30 cb radios I'm trying to get tested.

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I have my dehydrator working overtime the past couple of days. I was able to get 5 lbs. ground turkey cooked up and dehydrated and am currently working on dehydrating 25 lbs. of sweet potatoes, that when dehydrated I will also make into a powder, before storing.

Anyone else have suggestions of what all to dehydrate that are not the everyday run of the mill food items.
 Quoting: MissBala 14270355


Making girlie cut up some peppers I picked yesterday. Somebody was careless with the hose this morning and broke a big branch off one pepper plant.....that's counter productive. Buncha peppers on it.
Going to do tomatoes soon too.
I've got a buttload of glass jars for this stuff, with push in tops.
Some go for .25 cents at flea market. Bought 5 the other day. Also like the clamp top jars. Mostly chinese crap but at around $3 for a set of 4, different sizes, I prolly have 6-8 sets of those.

Last Edited by HnryBwmn on 07/21/2012 03:53 PM
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