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Jericho9

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Those of us that aren't sheep and are aware of how this civilization is in decline, whether end of the age or solar doom....
We work towards trying to ensure our survival. It may be buying an extra dozen canned goods each trip to the store.
Could be your garden.
I have a gardening thread. There have been alot of good contributions for that.
Here's a link:

Thread: Gardening, take another look before winter

What I would like most here is advice, links to water filters, gear, things you've found that will help you weather the storm that is quickly building.

Methods you've developed to enhance your actions. Like the paper mulch suggested for gardening. Or how putting out a bird feeder and watering bird bath attracts the birds that will eat the bugs around your garden.
I've done those things and the bugs have vanished...

If you're armed, how about gear tips, or ammo deals or....

Myself, I'm busting my butt in a big garden. Some days up at 2 am or earlier, woking with lights at night because the sun is killing us during the day.

Last year I learned rebuilding chainsaws. This year I'm learning ATV's. Bought an old quad cheap, fixed all the problems and about to start on a 3 wheeler I bought for $94..

As far as weapons, yeah I like guns. I'm a pretty fair gunsmith. I reload. I shoot high power rifle.
I have however downsized alot. I'm down to one pistol right now. It and one rifle is all I can carry if I bug out....
And a big pack of course.

Keep it civil. Be polite. Thank you ahead of time.


Any posts that are not constructive and contribute in some beneficial way will be removed.

(Except my wasted posts, of coursetounge)

Any posters that are disruptive will be blocked.

(Except the biggest AZZhole of all, mecool2).

Enjoy!!!
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Easy...I went to the gun range to practice and hone my skills if you or your Fed buddies come for me for no reason.
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Trapped another ground hog in the garden today. Dehydrator is still going.
I've been drying seeds in the sun.
Seeds from the cantelope from the Omish are done. Another batch from peppers is outside.

Other than that, maybe cook my small zuchini from days ago.
Goofin off. Back feels better.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


are you going to make ground hog jerky on the dehydrator?

which dehydrator do you use
 Quoting: Ready2bugout


Nope, no jerky.
DH is a cheapy, GF gave me for Christmas 2 years ago, mighta cost $25.
It's an Oyster. From Wal-E I think. About 16" diameter, one setting, 4 trays.

I'm not real keen on any butchering in the summer. I don't think many animals are real good to burcher in hot weather.

The coon and 2 hogs are buried in the unplanted area. Compost recycling. They took from my garden and now they will fertilize it.
If SHTF I wouldn't hesitate. BBQ baby......

Last Edited by HnryBwmn on 07/26/2012 01:35 AM
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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
 Quoting: institutionalized


This was bad, bad info!

Pressure canning has nothing to do with making the lids seal. It's for killing botulinum spores in low-acid foods. They will NOT be neutralized by boiling at 212 degrees F. Once in a moist, low-acid, oxygen-free or vacuum environment, they are in ideal conditions to grow and produce the toxins that cause botulism.

It won't always cause botulism, but avoiding it in those conditions is nothing more than luck. Botulinum spores are all over, but they're harmless until put into the right conditions to grow.

The only way to be SURE is to pressure can, thereby raising the temperature high enough to kill them (at least 240 degrees).

This man has been luckier than he deserves, especially giving this dangerous advice to others.
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Trapped another ground hog in the garden today. Dehydrator is still going.
I've been drying seeds in the sun.
Seeds from the cantelope from the Omish are done. Another batch from peppers is outside.

Other than that, maybe cook my small zuchini from days ago.
Goofin off. Back feels better.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


are you going to make ground hog jerky on the dehydrator?

which dehydrator do you use
 Quoting: Ready2bugout


Nope, no jerky.
HD is a cheapy, GF gave me for Christmas 2 years ago, mighta cost $25.
It's an Oyster. From Wal-E I think. About 16" diameter, one setting, 4 trays.

I'm not real keen on any butchering in the summer. I don't think many animals are real good to burcher in hot weather.

The coon and 2 hogs are buried in the unplanted area. Compost recycling. They took from my garden and now they will fertilize it.
If SHTF I wouldn't hesitate. BBQ baby......
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


How did you trap and dispatch the coons and the hog?
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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
 Quoting: institutionalized


This was bad, bad info!

Pressure canning has nothing to do with making the lids seal. It's for killing botulinum spores in low-acid foods. They will NOT be neutralized by boiling at 212 degrees F. Once in a moist, low-acid, oxygen-free or vacuum environment, they are in ideal conditions to grow and produce the toxins that cause botulism.

It won't always cause botulism, but avoiding it in those conditions is nothing more than luck. Botulinum spores are all over, but they're harmless until put into the right conditions to grow.

The only way to be SURE is to pressure can, thereby raising the temperature high enough to kill them (at least 240 degrees).

This man has been luckier than he deserves, especially giving this dangerous advice to others.
 Quoting: Anodyne339


I'll never forget an incident in high school.
I was an exceptionally strong little shit. I grew up poor. i spent my summers tending my mothers flower gardens and rose bushes.....when I wasn't on the end of a tiller working our big garden or on the end of a shovel leveling 9dump truck loads of dirt around the yard. Our yard flooded every spring. I raised the back yard 1 foot, front yard about 6"......anyway,
I got into wrestling. One tournament I went to I took a quart of canned prunes for "quick energy"......
after weigh-in I ate THE WHOLE QUART, like a stupid ass......1/2 hour later, in the middle of my first match I started having stomach cramps....
I should have easily beaten all comers that day.
I lost 3 times and was pinned for the first time ever, in 5 years.....my practice partner was 2 time state champ....he couldn't pin me.
Never forget getting sick that day. In many ways a life changer.

Yup, I was a trained horticulturist before I was 12. No, I'm not gay. They tried though.

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What did you do to Prep today?
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I've had an extra portion of potato salad, to increase my in-body supply on the off chance that DOOM!!! happened during the night.. That counts, right?
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Trapped another ground hog in the garden today. Dehydrator is still going.
I've been drying seeds in the sun.
Seeds from the cantelope from the Omish are done. Another batch from peppers is outside.

Other than that, maybe cook my small zuchini from days ago.
Goofin off. Back feels better.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


are you going to make ground hog jerky on the dehydrator?

which dehydrator do you use
 Quoting: Ready2bugout


Nope, no jerky.
HD is a cheapy, GF gave me for Christmas 2 years ago, mighta cost $25.
It's an Oyster. From Wal-E I think. About 16" diameter, one setting, 4 trays.

I'm not real keen on any butchering in the summer. I don't think many animals are real good to burcher in hot weather.

The coon and 2 hogs are buried in the unplanted area. Compost recycling. They took from my garden and now they will fertilize it.
If SHTF I wouldn't hesitate. BBQ baby......
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


How did you trap and dispatch the coons and the hog?
 Quoting: Ready2bugout


2 hogs, one coon.

Connebear or folding traps, I think the "200", is about 8" square. Over a 15" deep hole. They all try to dig around the sides. These things have trip "wiskers " over the center area when set. That would make me nervous too.
I had alot of practice last year.
Last season I took 12 POssums and 1 big coon.
Biggest possum had 1" fangs and weighed almost 15#.
Big sukker.

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What did you do to Prep today?
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I've had an extra portion of potato salad, to increase my in-body supply on the off chance that DOOM!!! happened during the night.. That counts, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


Heck yeah.
I've been eating a bit more carbos to try to retain some weight.
I'd like to know what mine is now. I'll bet I'm down to 220# or lass.
Waist is below 36 ". Haven't been this light since 1990.
I'm in good shape but getting almost scrawny for me.
Lots of muscle loss.

Gettin old sucks.

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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
 Quoting: institutionalized


This was bad, bad info!

Pressure canning has nothing to do with making the lids seal. It's for killing botulinum spores in low-acid foods. They will NOT be neutralized by boiling at 212 degrees F. Once in a moist, low-acid, oxygen-free or vacuum environment, they are in ideal conditions to grow and produce the toxins that cause botulism.

It won't always cause botulism, but avoiding it in those conditions is nothing more than luck. Botulinum spores are all over, but they're harmless until put into the right conditions to grow.

The only way to be SURE is to pressure can, thereby raising the temperature high enough to kill them (at least 240 degrees).

This man has been luckier than he deserves, especially giving this dangerous advice to others.
 Quoting: Anodyne339


I'll never forget an incident in high school.
I was an exceptionally strong little shit. I grew up poor. i spent my summers tending my mothers flower gardens and rose bushes.....when I wasn't on the end of a tiller working our big garden or on the end of a shovel leveling 9dump truck loads of dirt around the yard. Our yard flooded every spring. I raised the back yard 1 foot, front yard about 6"......anyway,
I got into wrestling. One tournament I went to I took a quart of canned prunes for "quick energy"......
after weigh-in I ate THE WHOLE QUART, like a stupid ass......1/2 hour later, in the middle of my first match I started having stomach cramps....
I should have easily beaten all comers that day.
I lost 3 times and was pinned for the first time ever, in 5 years.....my practice partner was 2 time state champ....he couldn't pin me.
Never forget getting sick that day. In many ways a life changer.

Yup, I was a trained horticulturist before I was 12. No, I'm not gay. They tried though.
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


Oh man too funny I wrestle 155lb in middle school and 170 in high school, Herniated my L4 in high school when some asshole heavyweight playing around got me on a craddle after practice was over and put all his weight on me. Funny how most non wrestling martial arts people think is gay. Yet they have no idea what it takes to be on that mat for those couple of minutes.
I don't care who you are nothing takes more self discipline, drive and cardiovascular than wrestling. People have no idea what it takes when your wrestling coach starts drilling making you do sprawls you at the end of a 3 hour practice and you are exhausted because the team is slacking in practice
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Never forget wind sprints AFER an hour of calisthenics....

Had one fellow, emigrated from Lebanon. 11th grade. Wealthy family in construction.
I nicknamed him Cleo, nobody could pronounce his name.

Strongest man I ever met.
This man could do 50 quick pullups without breathing hard. I couldn't do 20......I think he was about 19 years old in 1973, I was 14, maybe 15?
Man was he tough to wrestle. My only advantage was 4 years of moves he never saw coming. But he could break you in half if you pissed him off. Had to beat him carefully....
He almost pinned me a couple times. He was impermeable.....

Edit, I weighed 160 when I got out of high school, at 16.
I was 1-2 years younger than everyone. Started school back when you could go to kintergarden is you turned 5 before end of year.
After high school I grew 1" and gained 10# every year till about 22 years old......
Ended up at 6' 2" and 220#.
Was an impressive bastage, if I say so myself.....Framing carpenter and baby, I looked GOOD.
At about 22 I was lifting weights and working for chump change as a bouncer. I had outgrown even "Moose" our heavyweight in junior and high school.
He came into the bar once....Even Micheal Vida came in once with the beautiful redhead that I should have married...
Wanted to buy me a drink and "did I hold a grudge over him beating me up in Jr. high".....funny stuff to look back....

"If I'da known then what I know now".....
and "If I'da known I was gonna live this long, I'da taken better care of myself".....

Or, do you remember this one?
"Take care of your back, or Be careful not to hurt your back.....
It'll hurt the rest of your life"

Dammit man.........iamwith

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Dressed ready to rock and roll.

Shit, I need more paper for my lists.....
Water the garden next.
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Good morning, early bird!

Finally got rain here, the storm caused a lack in the sleep department, but the rain was needed. Only prepping I am working on today, is packing the stuff necessary to bring to the cottage for our holidays , starting tomorrow.


Question, for anyone who is familiar with edible trees, shrubs. A lot of folks where we are use Mulberry bushes and Siberian Pea Shrubs as ornamental trees in their garden. Now, I know that mulberry bushes/trees have edible berries and the leaves make an awesome tea, with more calcium than a glass of milk.. My question is, I understand that the Siberian Pea Tree, has little pods that are edible. Has anyone actually tried them?

I am just thinking if SHTF and you are stuck in suburbia because of martial law, or any other reason, and peoples supplies are low... there should be some knowledge out there as to what could be collected and eaten just in your actual neighbourhood?? Anyone?
CrazyMama73
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Good morning, early bird!

Finally got rain here, the storm caused a lack in the sleep department, but the rain was needed. Only prepping I am working on today, is packing the stuff necessary to bring to the cottage for our holidays , starting tomorrow.


Question, for anyone who is familiar with edible trees, shrubs. A lot of folks where we are use Mulberry bushes and Siberian Pea Shrubs as ornamental trees in their garden. Now, I know that mulberry bushes/trees have edible berries and the leaves make an awesome tea, with more calcium than a glass of milk.. My question is, I understand that the Siberian Pea Tree, has little pods that are edible. Has anyone actually tried them?

I am just thinking if SHTF and you are stuck in suburbia because of martial law, or any other reason, and peoples supplies are low... there should be some knowledge out there as to what could be collected and eaten just in your actual neighbourhood?? Anyone?
 Quoting: CrazyMama73


No knowledge of what ou ask. Try Google.

I do have several edible plants books, survival books etc.
Always watching for that stuff at flea markets.

Garden is watered, looking like possible rain. Time for prayer!!!

No damage, no critters in traps. Good deal.
Crap. I should be washing jars and picking corn........
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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
 Quoting: institutionalized


This was bad, bad info!

Pressure canning has nothing to do with making the lids seal. It's for killing botulinum spores in low-acid foods. They will NOT be neutralized by boiling at 212 degrees F. Once in a moist, low-acid, oxygen-free or vacuum environment, they are in ideal conditions to grow and produce the toxins that cause botulism.

It won't always cause botulism, but avoiding it in those conditions is nothing more than luck. Botulinum spores are all over, but they're harmless until put into the right conditions to grow.

The only way to be SURE is to pressure can, thereby raising the temperature high enough to kill them (at least 240 degrees).

This man has been luckier than he deserves, especially giving this dangerous advice to others.
 Quoting: Anodyne339


iamwith

just goes to show a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous

a hot bath can be fine for foods that have high sugar or
acid content IE preserves or pickleing.

i built a better mouse trap yesterday to keep the little buggers out of my food and my garden
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Hey Henry, I was discussing the process of canning with a man who claimed that he cans all of his food using the hot bath method. He claimed that the new type of seals within the jar lids made the pressure cooker obsolete, because they no longer need the high amounts of pressure to seal.

Does this information ring true with you?
 Quoting: institutionalized


This was bad, bad info!

Pressure canning has nothing to do with making the lids seal. It's for killing botulinum spores in low-acid foods. They will NOT be neutralized by boiling at 212 degrees F. Once in a moist, low-acid, oxygen-free or vacuum environment, they are in ideal conditions to grow and produce the toxins that cause botulism.

It won't always cause botulism, but avoiding it in those conditions is nothing more than luck. Botulinum spores are all over, but they're harmless until put into the right conditions to grow.

The only way to be SURE is to pressure can, thereby raising the temperature high enough to kill them (at least 240 degrees).

This man has been luckier than he deserves, especially giving this dangerous advice to others.
 Quoting: Anodyne339


iamwith

just goes to show a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous

a hot bath can be fine for foods that have high sugar or
acid content IE preserves or pickleing.

i built a better mouse trap yesterday to keep the little buggers out of my food and my garden
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20576829


Care to share?
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Bought a new bar and chain for my saw and built a better cb antenna....
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Built a better?

Got some plans or a link?

I've been meaning to get a new dipole up,
80, 40, 20 meter.
119' 6" if i remember right, 2nd line, half, 3rd line half again, am I remembering right?

20 meter is CB too.

What would be good swr lengths for coax? I've been using 50', that's what I think I remember. 102", 9', what do you think? I think I used 50' to the vertical 5/8 wave ground plane, I think it's called. From back in my "Lumping" days.
I need to get out my old ARRL book, a bit outdated though.....from my novice days back in 1970 or so.....fukk I'm gettin old.....

How about a good SWR length for short runs? Vehicle or on my quad? Haven't got those tasks done yet.

I've got a big bundle of RG8U......Maybe 3 or 400 feet. Gave $20 for it at flea market. Last time i bought any new I think it was $1.15 per foot.....16 years ago.

I'm wanting to get out my old Heathkit short wave unit, one of the "top of the line" in her day, sidebander with VFO. Needs work. The tuning cables are long ago disintegrated.

Also thinking about adding one of those small photocell chargers to the Quad too. Batteries are down right now for no reason.....new sealed battery and an old one. Need to make the isolator and get it wired in to protect generator when running lights and radios, running them off the old battery.

Yup, one long list......
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


i could use some info if you know........
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Without more particapation I may drop this thread.

Believe it or not, I'm not in need of the attention.

It's not supposed to be about me or what I do all day.

Maybe that's why so few are particapating?

It's supposed to be a learning thread.
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From my gardening thread, 14 photos of my garden:

Ok, still figuring this out........

[link to s1067.photobucket.com]

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From my gardening thread, 14 photos of my garden:

Ok, still figuring this out........

[link to s1067.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


OMG!
Your garden is huge!
No wonder...
Planning on feeding Missouri?

:rose8:hf
Truth [Satya] indeed conquers! Not untruth, falsehood.
Untruth is all discord, out of harmony with the Real.
The Real is a spontaneous unfolding of the One.
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From my gardening thread, 14 photos of my garden:

Ok, still figuring this out........

[link to s1067.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


OMG!
Your garden is huge!
No wonder...
Planning on feeding Missouri?

:rose8:hf
 Quoting: Parvati


I second that you should trade some of your guaren's bounty with other prepper's for things you might need
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put up some dried beans.
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From my gardening thread, 14 photos of my garden:

Ok, still figuring this out........

[link to s1067.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


Wow, love your garden!

We mostly use sheet mulching, also called lasagna gardening. It works great, especially where the native soil is a bit iffy.

We built a 12x16 ft hothouse for about $150.
[link to www.bae.ncsu.edu]
Ours has Dutch doors at either end, so the top half can be kept open for ventilation while the bottom half keeps out the critters.

I also like to cover my beds with straw; it keeps weeds to a minimum, retains more moisture, and slowly breaks down to add to the soil.

We're currently renting, so I can't make my gardens as extensive as I would like. Once we buy a place, I want to have a solid greenhouse for a few tropical spices and fruit. Also want to plant plenty of blueberries, blackberries, strawberries and fruit trees, and have a grape arbor.

Ideally, I'd love to have an aquaponics set up: [link to www.backyardaquaponics.com] but that will depend on time, money and space.

Right now I have several berry bushes, several grapes, and a few fruit trees in containers, so that when we move they can come with us.
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From my gardening thread, 14 photos of my garden:

Ok, still figuring this out........

[link to s1067.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


OMG!
Your garden is huge!
No wonder...
Planning on feeding Missouri?

:rose8:hf
 Quoting: Parvati


Nah, just 5%

The younger pretty ones. I wish ta heck about 4 would show up early tomorrow to help.
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From my gardening thread, 14 photos of my garden:

Ok, still figuring this out........

[link to s1067.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: HnryBwmn


OMG!
Your garden is huge!
No wonder...
Planning on feeding Missouri?

:rose8:hf
 Quoting: Parvati


I second that you should trade some of your guaren's bounty with other prepper's for things you might need
 Quoting: Ready2bugout


I'm in pretty good shape actually.

Except maybe jars. Lots and lots of pint jars.
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Why are my posts disapearing?

Strange. Tried 4 times to post a link to solar data on the solar thread......nuttin, 4 times......tried here twice...nuttin.....
Finally worked, here it is, for the solar thread actually....



Ok, shit, I've typed this 5 times now.....keeps disapearing...When I saw the pictures below my first thought was to stick my head between my knees and kiss my ass good bye.

[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]

WHEN we get hit by one of these you won't be bitching about the electric grid being down and no air conditioner, you'll be lying in a pile of your own stewed juices.

Even the Assholes in their DUMBS will boil.

Reminds me of the movie "Cronicles of Riddick" where the planet where he is imprisoned, Crematoria gets it's surface and everything on it get vaporized every sunup.

Those of you that think AAs predictions are off....


Yer Goofy.

<<<Note to person screwing with me...(actually an automated computer program)..I figured it out. "shill is a shill"....was in the middle of my post....that is so weird, I realized the unintentional reference to Alex J's website (same words about prison...and...planet)>>>
"shill is a shill" was in the middle of my solar post....when it would finally post....I've come to the conclusion on my own that yes, he is....
That was unintentional....didn't realize GLP had so much hate for them.....I wonder why.

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Good morning, early bird!

Finally got rain here, the storm caused a lack in the sleep department, but the rain was needed. Only prepping I am working on today, is packing the stuff necessary to bring to the cottage for our holidays , starting tomorrow.


Question, for anyone who is familiar with edible trees, shrubs. A lot of folks where we are use Mulberry bushes and Siberian Pea Shrubs as ornamental trees in their garden. Now, I know that mulberry bushes/trees have edible berries and the leaves make an awesome tea, with more calcium than a glass of milk.. My question is, I understand that the Siberian Pea Tree, has little pods that are edible. Has anyone actually tried them?

I am just thinking if SHTF and you are stuck in suburbia because of martial law, or any other reason, and peoples supplies are low... there should be some knowledge out there as to what could be collected and eaten just in your actual neighbourhood?? Anyone?
 Quoting: CrazyMama73


The short answer is you die in a suburb.

Think about this logically.

Carrying capacity is:
The number of people, other living organisms, or crops that a region can support without environmental degradation.

A long time ago, with low population density and but with lots of active hunting, they noticed that they had to carefully managed how often the hunted, what they hunted, and what age they took. This goes for flora (plants) as well as fauna(animals).

If they didn't manage this, it would kill off too many and the species declined. That meant that the camp would have to be struck, and the population moved to another location for those plants, animals, and firewood. Then they allowed time for that place to recover.

With the concentration of people in even the small cities, if suddenly people started gathering simply firewood for fuel, then allowing it to season (dry), then in a very short time it would be gone.

Two very useful plants are white and red clover. If the flowers are dried, a useful flour can be made from them, and this was used by the Scots to make bannock bread. They didn't use all clover flour, but they did use it to extend their regular flour. It everyone used that method, then there wouldn't be enough to harvest very long despite the fact that it regrows almost everywhere.

Cattail offer pollen that works the same way, but most people don't harvest it correctly by taking the seed head ealier as a whole section. You can also eat the shoots, and you eat the tubers for a lot of calories.

Same with squirrels. One could trap them, but then of course many younger ones would be caught, and they have peak periods when more are around. If people harvested acorns, blanched the tannic acid from them, and eat them in large numbers, then the squirrels would not have their food source.

There is not enough wild edibles to sustain a large population, plus lots of people tramping around will remove species quickly, damage the niche in which they grow, reduce animal runs by lots of human movement, etc.

Much of the problem is harvest time for that edible species and calories. Even if you had an abundance of game, much of it is low fat. You can in colder weather use up more calories hunting than you can consume and slowly starved to death.

Even if you put in a garden, unless it is carefully managed to maximize calories, and you preserved it by canning, then chances are it wouldn't be enough without livestock. Vegetables, leafy herbs, fruits and nuts are great, but not enough calories when working hard every day. Think a minimum of 3500 calories a day under stress. That's a typical MRE load for one day.

Don't take my word for this, but sit down and think what species are in your area, how many calories and nutrients they provide, vitamins and minerals, and then compare that to a workload under stress from lots of labor in gathering them.

This is why agriculture and animal husbandry lead to larger tribes than 500 members.

There are many herbs and animals you could initially harvest if you knew about them, and most likely for a very brief time. However, since we're in a drought, I highly expect that to NOT be the case since many will die. Much of the leafy herbs will die due to very short root systems. Some are perennial and they can hold out longer.

Tree crops will be vital, and there are books that are freely available which discuss them. Realize too that all the other species such as birds will be trying to harvest them as alternative food sources if their normal food source is absent. You'll be competing to collect things that are high up and not easily seen.

A drought coupled with a SHTF scenario is very bad. It means that any fishing will decline from people gathering from water sources, a lack of rainwater catchment, higher algae counts from concentration of what water there is, etc.
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As far as I know, this is the best book on the subject of tree crops, and it is free.
[link to archive.org]

Knowing what you can harvest is half the battle, but assumes that you have those species nearby, have the energy and health to collect them, can collect enough to offset calories used through harvesting, and can survive long enough to harvest them when the season arrives for doing so.
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I helped three people register to vote and I pointed out that gas prices are double what they were three years ago. I pointed out that the economy fucking sucks sweaty donkey balls. I pointed out that nobody is better off than we were three years ago - well, other than the 0bamas. They've spent a lot of time and a shit load of our money on their high profile galavanting (date nights, trips to europe, hawaii, Ski trips, golf, two separate airplanes to Martha's Vineyard, etc)

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