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What did you do to Prep today?

 
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I helped three people register to vote and I pointed out that gas prices are double what they were three years ago. I pointed out that the economy fucking sucks sweaty donkey balls. I pointed out that nobody is better off than we were three years ago - well, other than the 0bamas. They've spent a lot of time and a shit load of our money on their high profile galavanting (date nights, trips to europe, hawaii, Ski trips, golf, two separate airplanes to Martha's Vineyard, etc)
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As far as I know, this is the best book on the subject of tree crops, and it is free.
[link to archive.org]

Knowing what you can harvest is half the battle, but assumes that you have those species nearby, have the energy and health to collect them, can collect enough to offset calories used through harvesting, and can survive long enough to harvest them when the season arrives for doing so.
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Ac9495,
2 superb very helpful posts.

Thank you in the extreme Sir.

I saved the pdf of the tree crop book to computer file. Excellent.

You mention 3 important crops.....what are they/

Also, thanks for the mention of boiling tannic acid from acorns. I've eaten some in the woods and they aren't real paletable.....
I'm in the middle of a giant hardwood oak forest and this is valuable to know. Within 1 mile of where I live a person could gather dump truck loads of acorns on some years. Some very large acorns.....that won't happen this year with the drought.

I haven't paid much attention to the tree condition but I think for now within 200 miles in all directions from here they are holding on pretty good so far.

Ecept for high winds that have taken down many old trees lately.

Thanks again for your valuable posts.

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Garden is watered. I had a possum or racoon come through, ate one cantelope, chewed another and ate 1/5 of a large almost ripe tomatoe.

I need to complete the loop of hotwire and keep fresh bait in the traps.
Fire up the bucket trap with 8" connebear too.

That caught critters that wouldn't have anything to do with the pit traps last year. Including a large mature old wise racoon that did serious damage ove 3 weeks last year. I was running out of ideas for him.

I picked over 100 ears of corn this morning.
One batch of pekers into the jar.
Another load into the dehydrator.

The girls are late.......also got some more pics but they need to wait. I've got too much to do.
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As far as I know, this is the best book on the subject of tree crops, and it is free.
[link to archive.org]

Knowing what you can harvest is half the battle, but assumes that you have those species nearby, have the energy and health to collect them, can collect enough to offset calories used through harvesting, and can survive long enough to harvest them when the season arrives for doing so.
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Ac9495,
2 superb very helpful posts.

Thank you in the extreme Sir.

I saved the pdf of the tree crop book to computer file. Excellent.

You mention 3 important crops.....what are they/

Also, thanks for the mention of boiling tannic acid from acorns. I've eaten some in the woods and they aren't real paletable.....
I'm in the middle of a giant hardwood oak forest and this is valuable to know. Within 1 mile of where I live a person could gather dump truck loads of acorns on some years. Some very large acorns.....that won't happen this year with the drought.

I haven't paid much attention to the tree condition but I think for now within 200 miles in all directions from here they are holding on pretty good so far.

Ecept for high winds that have taken down many old trees lately.

Thanks again for your valuable posts.
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In a drought, it will be difficult to do that much boiling. For one thing, that would be an enormous waste of wood. There were two primary means of extracting the tannins. Boiling was one, but the other was burial in river banks and allowing the river to slowly leach the tannins away.

There is a modern method, and I think it might be useful. What is done is to gather up the shelled acorns, place them in a strong hose, and force water through them with multiple rinses. Then the water could be forced again and again until you reach saturation point of the concentrated tannins. Ordinarily with access to water, you simply flush them continually, but this can ruin sinks by discoloration.

That tannic acid solution would then be used, not discarded for making medicines, tanning hides, etc.

And you're welcome, Henry as I am also trying to help as many people as possible.

It is difficult to name species as this forum is frequented by many nations. Most places have naturalists in their area, check with your state parks, and they can tell people, but realize that most people can't identify a sycamore, from an oak, or a maple, or poplar, etc. I wonder how they think they'll learn from a book when under stress?

Honey Locust beans will be an important food source if you have access to them as few people will consider eating them.

This guy is pretty squirrely, but he does explain them well.

The fact that they are high in sugar, this means it's fermentation source for wine, and was used this way by the pioneers. You can google the recipe. Basically you follow the same recipe as raisin wine. The sugar will encourage yeasts in the air to ferment. Believe me, if you can make a fermented product, you might have a surplus. Hint hint. Theoretical use only.
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Trying again to post the video

Here's a link describing what to do with the tannic acid.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Not doing anything per say to prepare, aside from acclimating myself to being in my house for days and weeks at a time with nothing to do.

You're gonna need it.
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You can collect a lot of hickory nuts too, but they can be difficult to consistently gather the nutmeat out. There are hickory trees all over the Eastern US, and it isn't difficult to collect the nuts.
[link to www.motherearthnews.com]

Often you'll find worms inside if you wait too long. I don't know, but it's protein to me in a survival situation. Probably bitter to the taste.

Beech nuts produce a useful food, but not very much of it. Some pine nuts are large, but many are not, so unless you can identity the kind, you might be surprised how little or how much you can gather. Knowing know would be prudent.

The very best tasting ones of course are pecans and black walnut. Save the hulls of black walnut. The green and black outsides are mixed with water, and concentrated by letting them sit or boil down. Now you add this to your fishing hole, and the chemicals released inhibit the gill efficiency of fishes. This means that they will struggle and must come up for air.

Here's a proof of concept showing this with worms. Naturally you could eat the worms too, but obviously a time consuming task to separate their flesh from their digestive tracts.
[link to www.youtube.com]

The very best tips can be learned from Green Deane at the Eat the Weed channel on youtube.
[link to www.eattheweeds.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
He's a super nice guy and very wise.
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Such as this video by Green Deane on eating the worms which frequent the acorn.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I've got a tree at the back edge of my garden. through trial and error I figured out nothing will groww back there.
Thought it was a Black Walnut tree.
Fruit off of it has been 1/4" diameter miniature cherries. While I haven't tried eating any, the scats from one ground hawg I trapped were full of thes. So I'm assumng they are edible.

What is that tree?

Thanks.....for more good info too.

PS, we've got alot of Beech and Walnut and such around here.
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Last week at the gun show I bot a Life Straw water filter. Not the best out there but it was only$22 and weighs only a couple of ounces. So my 1lb MSR filter stays in the car and this light Life Straw goes in my pack. At my age I've got to keep my pack as light as possible.

Check out your local gun shows for survival gear. I've gotten some great deals over the years and usually no sales tax. Cash and carry.
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Henry, you are remarkably luck to have so many edible tree crops. I hope you harvest a lot of them and practice using them. It definitely was a staple of Native American tribes. This and tapping maple trees, and you have a very useful food source when eaten together. Loads of protein, fat, and carbs by the combination.

Most likely it would sustain you, but would lack some of the essential amino acids. We eat different protein sources so that we get all of the amino acids we need, and then we recombine these using out digestive system and biochemistry to make the proteins we need. It's basically lego building blocks that are reassembled.

As such with any simple diet, you won't starve, but you'll probably be malnourished, and see signs like losing your hair as it will become brittle.

Joe and Zach, and now his daughter, have been making bushcraft videos for awhile. Here are two which discuss making the clover flour and bannock.
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

They have different food profiles as well as medicinal properties. Many people will not realize they are a food source, and as such of great assistance to supplement.

Joe and Zach have many useful videos on how to gather from their forests and meadows. One of the most recent discuss and quantify how many crayfish or mud bugs or crawdad they can harvest and which bait works best and other aspects of trapping. This would also be an important protein source that many people will ignore.
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Yep, since Black Walnut leaches off phytochemicals, then you're right that it will interfere with plants. It's an antagonistic plant (the opposite of a companion plant). The same "juglone" which interferes with the transfer of oxygen in worms and fishes also is toxic to many species:
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Hey Henry, enjoy reading your posts. I was just wondering where you live? You don't have to be specific, I understand.
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Last week at the gun show I bot a Life Straw water filter. Not the best out there but it was only$22 and weighs only a couple of ounces. So my 1lb MSR filter stays in the car and this light Life Straw goes in my pack. At my age I've got to keep my pack as light as possible.

Check out your local gun shows for survival gear. I've gotten some great deals over the years and usually no sales tax. Cash and carry.
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I've never been to a gun show but would love to. I didn't know they sold survival gear too! "kill 2 birds with one stone" so to speak. Very cool!I bought my ammo last week for my stash and looked at an AR 15. The gun dealer said they are flying off the shelf since they may be banned in the near future. He also recommended buying at least 1,000 rounds with it.I haven't bought one yet but maybe soon.
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Last week at the gun show I bot a Life Straw water filter. Not the best out there but it was only$22 and weighs only a couple of ounces. So my 1lb MSR filter stays in the car and this light Life Straw goes in my pack. At my age I've got to keep my pack as light as possible.

Check out your local gun shows for survival gear. I've gotten some great deals over the years and usually no sales tax. Cash and carry.
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I've never been to a gun show but would love to. I didn't know they sold survival gear too! "kill 2 birds with one stone" so to speak. Very cool!I bought my ammo last week for my stash and looked at an AR 15. The gun dealer said they are flying off the shelf since they may be banned in the near future. He also recommended buying at least 1,000 rounds with it.I haven't bought one yet but maybe soon.
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Best place to pick up a "Liberty Arm". No paper trail, no gubmint background check.

If you do I reccomend getting a signed receipt with drivers license or other gov ID #s......
If weapon is stolen and you get checked with it you will go to jail. With a signed receipt and DL # and printed name (so it's legible) it takes the heat off you (eventually) and they get arrested.

Some will give you a receipt for your money and don't care for one for themselves. Foolish to me, if they bought on gubmint Form 4473......But it sure is nice to cover your own butt and not have any trail to you.

There are also a number of plces that you can contact people in your area without a gunshow.
Google search 'guns for sale'

Midwest guntrader for one. Armslist another.

I've bought and sold many on each of these.

Edit: be sure to include accurate description of gun with makers name and serial #......forgot.....

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Hey Henry, enjoy reading your posts. I was just wondering where you live? You don't have to be specific, I understand.
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If you read more of my bull you would have found out I am in SW Missouri. 70 miles NW of Springfield.
I'm not hiding.
Anyone that wants some of me, bring lots of help.
I can always use more gear.
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Time to hug one of my rifles.
Spikes Tactical. AR with 20" heavy Stainless.
Bad little bitch she is.
Flat top with 3-9 X 40 MM scope and quick mount/dismount for scope and flip up irons.
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10 out of the AR and I can't leave the 300 out of the fun.
4 through her.

Gosh, I wonder if the neighbors are awake yet?

I'm sure their asses are still in bed.......

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Last week at the gun show I bot a Life Straw water filter. Not the best out there but it was only$22 and weighs only a couple of ounces. So my 1lb MSR filter stays in the car and this light Life Straw goes in my pack. At my age I've got to keep my pack as light as possible.

Check out your local gun shows for survival gear. I've gotten some great deals over the years and usually no sales tax. Cash and carry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2926765


I've never been to a gun show but would love to. I didn't know they sold survival gear too! "kill 2 birds with one stone" so to speak. Very cool!I bought my ammo last week for my stash and looked at an AR 15. The gun dealer said they are flying off the shelf since they may be banned in the near future. He also recommended buying at least 1,000 rounds with it.I haven't bought one yet but maybe soon.
 Quoting: Mt.Mama 1532727


You'd be surprised some of the stuff you can pick up at gunshows.

One freind of mine bought 14 guns at last show. It's how he's putting his retirement into hard goods that will appreciate instead of losing money to inflation. Or a pension that banksters steal or an annuity that goobermint steals to put into the social security "trust" fund that's already been robbed.......
Smart fellow he is. A grandson always occompanies him. Retired Millwright I worked with a couple times years ago.
I did advise him however to get things moved around. While he does have high $$$ safes and security system, you don't want all your eggs in one basket, especially now with the threat of gun confiscation/ outlawing and thieves.

Last year Guntrader ran an ad trying to recover guns stolen in a 600# safe full of guns....took the whole damn thing....
Probably close to 1000#, gone, in one piece........

Try to not buy from a dealer. It is seldom you'll get best price from them, especially at a show.
Catch the guy walking around. Or outside before they come in.
Some shows object to this because alot of dealers bitch about it.

They want those deals to make it into the door.....some guns go for less than 50% of their fair market value....

Some are way overpriced. if you plan to buy, take somebody with you that knows their guns....or at least buy a "Blue Book of Gun Values" usually available at bigger shows.
Or buy one off Amazon.com before hand and look up what you'd like so you have some knowledge before you go.
About $30-$35.

On survival gear or guns, don't be afraid to dicker or haggle, it's part of the fun of gun shows and flea markets.

Heck, you'll even find some jewelry at most shows.

Be sure to get some Elk and Buffalo jerky too. Some people joke about the jewlry and jerky at shows but to me it just ain't a good gunshow without some good jerky.

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Made sure the trucks i have will run when the sun zaps the computers in the rest of them,they run by old distributor and set of points and coil,,and will run unless the solar flares change electricity by some means bump
Stickyfoot,i think i stepped in something
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Last week at the gun show I bot a Life Straw water filter. Not the best out there but it was only$22 and weighs only a couple of ounces. So my 1lb MSR filter stays in the car and this light Life Straw goes in my pack. At my age I've got to keep my pack as light as possible.

Check out your local gun shows for survival gear. I've gotten some great deals over the years and usually no sales tax. Cash and carry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2926765


I've never been to a gun show but would love to. I didn't know they sold survival gear too! "kill 2 birds with one stone" so to speak. Very cool!I bought my ammo last week for my stash and looked at an AR 15. The gun dealer said they are flying off the shelf since they may be banned in the near future. He also recommended buying at least 1,000 rounds with it.I haven't bought one yet but maybe soon.
 Quoting: Mt.Mama 1532727


You'd be surprised some of the stuff you can pick up at gunshows.

One freind of mine bought 14 guns at last show. It's how he's putting his retirement into hard goods that will appreciate instead of losing money to inflation. Or a pension that banksters steal or an annuity that goobermint steals to put into the social security "trust" fund that's already been robbed.......
Smart fellow he is. A grandson always occompanies him. Retired Millwright I worked with a couple times years ago.
I did advise him however to get things moved around. While he does have high $$$ safes and security system, you don't want all your eggs in one basket, especially now with the threat of gun confiscation/ outlawing and thieves.

Last year Guntrader ran an ad trying to recover guns stolen in a 600# safe full of guns....took the whole damn thing....
Probably close to 1000#, gone, in one piece........

Try to not buy from a dealer. It is seldom you'll get best price from them, especially at a show.
Catch the guy walking around. Or outside before they come in.
Some shows object to this because alot of dealers bitch about it.

They want those deals to make it into the door.....some guns go for less than 50% of their fair market value....

Some are way overpriced. if you plan to buy, take somebody with you that knows their guns....or at least buy a "Blue Book of Gun Values" usually available at bigger shows.
Or buy one off Amazon.com before hand and look up what you'd like so you have some knowledge before you go.
About $30-$35.

On survival gear or guns, don't be afraid to dicker or haggle, it's part of the fun of gun shows and flea markets.

Heck, you'll even find some jewelry at most shows.

Be sure to get some Elk and Buffalo jerky too. Some people joke about the jewlry and jerky at shows but to me it just ain't a good gunshow without some good jerky.
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Thanks for all the info! I LOVE to haggle! I'll have to look into the gun shows coming to my area. Sounds so fun!;)
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Last week at the gun show I bot a Life Straw water filter. Not the best out there but it was only$22 and weighs only a couple of ounces. So my 1lb MSR filter stays in the car and this light Life Straw goes in my pack. At my age I've got to keep my pack as light as possible.

Check out your local gun shows for survival gear. I've gotten some great deals over the years and usually no sales tax. Cash and carry.
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I've never been to a gun show but would love to. I didn't know they sold survival gear too! "kill 2 birds with one stone" so to speak. Very cool!I bought my ammo last week for my stash and looked at an AR 15. The gun dealer said they are flying off the shelf since they may be banned in the near future. He also recommended buying at least 1,000 rounds with it.I haven't bought one yet but maybe soon.
 Quoting: Mt.Mama 1532727


You'd be surprised some of the stuff you can pick up at gunshows.

One freind of mine bought 14 guns at last show. It's how he's putting his retirement into hard goods that will appreciate instead of losing money to inflation. Or a pension that banksters steal or an annuity that goobermint steals to put into the social security "trust" fund that's already been robbed.......
Smart fellow he is. A grandson always occompanies him. Retired Millwright I worked with a couple times years ago.
I did advise him however to get things moved around. While he does have high $$$ safes and security system, you don't want all your eggs in one basket, especially now with the threat of gun confiscation/ outlawing and thieves.

Last year Guntrader ran an ad trying to recover guns stolen in a 600# safe full of guns....took the whole damn thing....
Probably close to 1000#, gone, in one piece........

Try to not buy from a dealer. It is seldom you'll get best price from them, especially at a show.
Catch the guy walking around. Or outside before they come in.
Some shows object to this because alot of dealers bitch about it.

They want those deals to make it into the door.....some guns go for less than 50% of their fair market value....

Some are way overpriced. if you plan to buy, take somebody with you that knows their guns....or at least buy a "Blue Book of Gun Values" usually available at bigger shows.
Or buy one off Amazon.com before hand and look up what you'd like so you have some knowledge before you go.
About $30-$35.

On survival gear or guns, don't be afraid to dicker or haggle, it's part of the fun of gun shows and flea markets.

Heck, you'll even find some jewelry at most shows.

Be sure to get some Elk and Buffalo jerky too. Some people joke about the jewlry and jerky at shows but to me it just ain't a good gunshow without some good jerky.
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Thanks for all the info! I LOVE to haggle! I'll have to look into the gun shows coming to my area. Sounds so fun!;)
 Quoting: Mt.Mama 1532727


Internet search for gunshows.
Also listed on gun selling websites. Guntrader.com has a listing on left side.
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Food and seed processing.

Cardio first thingbanana2

Corn later.
Drying more pekkers.
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