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of course but is destiny not a part of it? :)

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Not once you break free!
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Even then you are at the hands of destiny. It plays a part your whole life... scratching

hf
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unless...
 Quoting: just a dude


you break free and make your own :)...what an idiot I am sometimes. I just posted on another thread before our convo that I make my own...so you need to break free, start making your own destiny....only then can someone hope to achieve such a state of being...

I'm just working this through in my own mind while typing so don't mind me...I hope I am close to what you meant though JAD :)

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Not once you break free!
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Even then you are at the hands of destiny. It plays a part your whole life... scratching

hf
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unless...
 Quoting: just a dude


you break free and make your own :)...what an idiot I am sometimes. I just posted on another thread before our convo that I make my own...so you need to break free, start making your own destiny....only then can someone hope to achieve such a state of being...

I'm just working this through in my own mind while typing so don't mind me...I hope I am close to what you meant though JAD :)

hf
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Even then you are at the hands of destiny. It plays a part your whole life... scratching

hf
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unless...
 Quoting: just a dude


you break free and make your own :)...what an idiot I am sometimes. I just posted on another thread before our convo that I make my own...so you need to break free, start making your own destiny....only then can someone hope to achieve such a state of being...

I'm just working this through in my own mind while typing so don't mind me...I hope I am close to what you meant though JAD :)

hf
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 Quoting: just a dude


:D

hugs

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Not once you break free!
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Even then you are at the hands of destiny. It plays a part your whole life... scratching

hf
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unless...
 Quoting: just a dude


you break free and make your own :)...what an idiot I am sometimes. I just posted on another thread before our convo that I make my own...so you need to break free, start making your own destiny....only then can someone hope to achieve such a state of being...

I'm just working this through in my own mind while typing so don't mind me...I hope I am close to what you meant though JAD :)

hf
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Let me twist things around a bit for you.

Absolute freedom is in total submission
That is where great destiny unfolds and freedom is earned

Pick a tree, any tree
Follow a branch
Submit to the path and jump off the limb
Climb back up
Rinse and repeat
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Do you see the absurdity?
Freedom of the mind is

It simply is

Yet we cling to mystic memes

Some gobble the goop

Play with light and magnetism
To thrill the masses
With a hand in their back pockets

Cruel

So here it is:

Ponder the mind, or be a drone
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Even then you are at the hands of destiny. It plays a part your whole life... scratching

hf
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unless...
 Quoting: just a dude


you break free and make your own :)...what an idiot I am sometimes. I just posted on another thread before our convo that I make my own...so you need to break free, start making your own destiny....only then can someone hope to achieve such a state of being...

I'm just working this through in my own mind while typing so don't mind me...I hope I am close to what you meant though JAD :)

hf
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Let me twist things around a bit for you.

Absolute freedom is in total submission
That is where great destiny unfolds and freedom is earned


Pick a tree, any tree
Follow a branch
Submit to the path and jump off the limb
Climb back up
Rinse and repeat
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whoa...yes of course it would have to be earned. Stay on the path...

I have done just that... follow...have a misstep or two but get right back to it :)

hf
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~ St Thomas Aquinas

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Do you see the absurdity?
Freedom of the mind is

It simply is

Yet we cling to mystic memes

Some gobble the goop

Play with light and magnetism
To thrill the masses
With a hand in their back pockets

Cruel

So here it is:

Ponder the mind, or be a drone
 Quoting: just a dude


Got to keep thinking and pondering...I see drones all over. I don't want to be one of them... with my eyes shut...and my mind not open to endless possibilities....


hf
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There is that pythagorean Y Jad , choices , direction, reflection, each making its own statement/direction in a persons mind.

The old saying goes , doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of Insane. LOL

The causality of the Why hf

Free will is a gift that needs to be learned to be used.( not that those on here don't understand that ) just reflecting

We are the ships wheel of our destiny based upon the actions and choices that we make hugs

But those are my ponderings.


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Let me twist things around a bit for you.

Absolute freedom is in total submission
That is where great destiny unfolds and freedom is earned

Pick a tree, any tree
Follow a branch
Submit to the path and jump off the limb
Climb back up
Rinse and repeat
 Quoting: just a dude


Total submission then is what?

As I believe we have been speaking of said, of late.




I have wanted to ask you for some time now...

I notice you often add this to your text ----> -)

I have wondered if it is a smilie without the 'eyes' and just a nose and mouth, or if is a smile missing a single eye or if it is a smilie at all...


:)

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hi Fringe :)

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hi Fringe :)

hf
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Hiya Girly , been vacuuming and washing clothes , gave the dog's a bath lol ... least my ears aren't ringing like bells at the moment.

How are you ?
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If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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hi Fringe :)

hf
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Hiya Girly , been vacuuming and washing clothes , gave the dog's a bath lol ... least my ears aren't ringing like bells at the moment.

How are you ?
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Did the same today...plus took back cans to the store and did some grocery shopping lol...still have to give the dog a bath. I'm just so tired after this weekend. She's cool for a few more days though. I use this all natural Oatmeal spray for her coat...so that helps in between lol

My ears were ringing yesterday for a few hours and I notice when that happens cause it does not happen often :)

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Let me twist things around a bit for you.

Absolute freedom is in total submission
That is where great destiny unfolds and freedom is earned

Pick a tree, any tree
Follow a branch
Submit to the path and jump off the limb
Climb back up
Rinse and repeat
 Quoting: just a dude


Total submission then is what?

As I believe we have been speaking of said, of late.

I have wanted to ask you for some time now that I noticed you often add this to your text ----> -)

I have wondered if it is a smilie without the 'eyes' and just a nose and mouth, or if is a smile missing a single eye or if it is a smilie at all...


:)
 Quoting: Seer777



Total submission qualifies a path
Submitting to the universe and 'listening'

Not to be mistaken with submission to a 'cause.'

It's the open cup, being in an em-well
We draw the negative to us and away from others
We suck in all the nasties
With positive intent

No one left behind

===

-) is a smile

but more so

a candle in a bowl

a little light... hf
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hi Fringe :)

hf
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Hiya Girly , been vacuuming and washing clothes , gave the dog's a bath lol ... least my ears aren't ringing like bells at the moment.

How are you ?
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Did the same today...plus took back cans to the store and did some grocery shopping lol...still have to give the dog a bath. I'm just so tired after this weekend. She's cool for a few more days though. I use this all natural Oatmeal spray for her coat...so that helps in between lol

My ears were ringing yesterday for a few hours and I notice when that happens cause it does not happen often :)

hf
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Mine are everyday or every other day and I use Dr Bronners rose and hemp oil soap on them. The reason being they sleep with me lol so gotta keep em clean :)

this is going on the 4th day with the ear ringing now :( and they were spraying the skies heavily again today that just urks me to no end ... rawr LOL
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Let me twist things around a bit for you.

Absolute freedom is in total submission
That is where great destiny unfolds and freedom is earned

Pick a tree, any tree
Follow a branch
Submit to the path and jump off the limb
Climb back up
Rinse and repeat
 Quoting: just a dude


Total submission then is what?

As I believe we have been speaking of said, of late.

I have wanted to ask you for some time now that I noticed you often add this to your text ----> -)

I have wondered if it is a smilie without the 'eyes' and just a nose and mouth, or if is a smile missing a single eye or if it is a smilie at all...


:)
 Quoting: Seer777



Total submission qualifies a path
Submitting to the universe and 'listening'

Not to be mistaken with submission to a 'cause.'

It's the open cup, being in an em-well
We draw the negative to us and away from others
We suck in all the nasties
With positive intent

No one left behind

===

-) is a smile

but more so

a candle in a bowl

a little light... hf
 Quoting: just a dude


would that be considered awareness?
I like your thoughts jad
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hi Fringe :)

hf
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Hiya Girly , been vacuuming and washing clothes , gave the dog's a bath lol ... least my ears aren't ringing like bells at the moment.

How are you ?
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


Did the same today...plus took back cans to the store and did some grocery shopping lol...still have to give the dog a bath. I'm just so tired after this weekend. She's cool for a few more days though. I use this all natural Oatmeal spray for her coat...so that helps in between lol

My ears were ringing yesterday for a few hours and I notice when that happens cause it does not happen often :)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


Mine are everyday or every other day and I use Dr Bronners rose and hemp oil soap on them. The reason being they sleep with me lol so gotta keep em clean :)

this is going on the 4th day with the ear ringing now :( and they were spraying the skies heavily again today that just urks me to no end ... rawr LOL
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wow...see I was doing once a week then a friend said no that it would strip the natural oils. So now I went to every 2 to three weeks. She said once a month is fine. I wish I could have georgia sleep with me but she is half pit so she is a big girl already just being a puppy.

That rose oil you mentioned you use in addition to the bath sounds good. Like I could actually go back to bathing her once a week. Where did you get it Fringe?

I am sorry you have to go through that for so many days now :( A few hours was enough for me. My son asked me last month why the sky always looks so cloudy and why there are so many lines in the sky all the time. What could I tell him? A seven year old notices...so sad for me to hear such questions from him.

hf
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An angel can illuminate the thought and mind of man by strengthening the power of vision.
~ St Thomas Aquinas

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Total submission qualifies a path
Submitting to the universe and 'listening'

Not to be mistaken with submission to a 'cause.'

It's the open cup, being in an em-well
We draw the negative to us and away from others
We suck in all the nasties
With positive intent

No one left behind

===

-) is a smile

but more so

a candle in a bowl

a little light... hf
 Quoting: just a dude


I agree.


To have faith and trust in where one is being led through feedback. To have confidence before one steps, by listening. As Dion mentioned, it can occasionally feel one is stepping forward, while eyes trained behind.

Blinded IOW.

Feeling your way through...



'Listening' is the title to this image...

listening

:)

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was a little bored and watched a video on gotu kola. Never heard of it, but what was interesting was this:

Germanium is essential for the regeneration of DNA and for maximising nutritional wellbeing in the body. It also activates oxygen within the body enabling more to be available to the tissues and helps to restore T-cell balance thus heightening immune system function


Li Ching-Yuen
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
he lived debatably 265 years or so

ginseng also contains germanium

thought it was interesting!
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was a little bored and watched a video on gotu kola. Never heard of it, but what was interesting was this:

Germanium is essential for the regeneration of DNA and for maximising nutritional wellbeing in the body. It also activates oxygen within the body enabling more to be available to the tissues and helps to restore T-cell balance thus heightening immune system function


Li Ching-Yuen
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
he lived debatably 265 years or so

ginseng also contains germanium

thought it was interesting!
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was a little bored and watched a video on gotu kola. Never heard of it, but what was interesting was this:

Germanium is essential for the regeneration of DNA and for maximising nutritional wellbeing in the body. It also activates oxygen within the body enabling more to be available to the tissues and helps to restore T-cell balance thus heightening immune system function


Li Ching-Yuen
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
he lived debatably 265 years or so

ginseng also contains germanium

thought it was interesting!
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1rof1
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okay lazy. Its a nice way to say lazy haha!
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wow...see I was doing once a week then a friend said no that it would strip the natural oils. So now I went to every 2 to three weeks. She said once a month is fine. I wish I could have georgia sleep with me but she is half pit so she is a big girl already just being a puppy.

That rose oil you mentioned you use in addition to the bath sounds good. Like I could actually go back to bathing her once a week. Where did you get it Fringe?

I am sorry you have to go through that for so many days now :( A few hours was enough for me. My son asked me last month why the sky always looks so cloudy and why there are so many lines in the sky all the time. What could I tell him? A seven year old notices...so sad for me to hear such questions from him.

hf
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I know we are raising our children and grandchildren in a much different world than what I grew up in :(

I get mine from my little health food store

Dr Bronners soaps comes in other formula's as well , you can buy it online or directly from his link or usually in health food stores as well .

here is a link for you to look at his products and you can price shop for it too tho

[link to www.drbronner.com]
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"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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was a little bored and watched a video on gotu kola. Never heard of it, but what was interesting was this:

Germanium is essential for the regeneration of DNA and for maximising nutritional wellbeing in the body. It also activates oxygen within the body enabling more to be available to the tissues and helps to restore T-cell balance thus heightening immune system function


Li Ching-Yuen
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
he lived debatably 265 years or so

ginseng also contains germanium

thought it was interesting!
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1rof1
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okay lazy. Its a nice way to say lazy haha!
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Gotu Kola is a great herb for women to add because it helps to fight off cellulite as well and integral in helping to form collagen in the body

Gotu kola, Centella asiatica, is a perennial herb indigenous to subtropical and tropical climates. It is effective at flushing cellulite by improving the circulation of blood and enhancing the structure of connective tissue, allowing new collagen formation, which keeps skin tight and firm. The active components of gotu kola leaves are called triterpenes. According to the European Journal of Dermatology, extracts of gotu kola "exerted a preferential stimulation of collagen synthesis and was active at low doses only." Furthermore, gotu kola can aid in flushing toxic pathogens from the body. The journal Molecules reported in 2009 that gotu kola has, "antimicrobial activities and has a protective role against attempted pathogen infections.

Read more: [link to www.livestrong.com]
:)
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"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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would that be considered awareness?
I like your thoughts jad
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Weird how we get hung up on vocabulary.

Awareness of what?


Free thinking is cultivated


Away from that which sways

There's one simple truism that permeates notions of bliss

Be you as a child, you remember how you acted -)

A speaker promulgates, so I'll stop
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wow...see I was doing once a week then a friend said no that it would strip the natural oils. So now I went to every 2 to three weeks. She said once a month is fine. I wish I could have georgia sleep with me but she is half pit so she is a big girl already just being a puppy.

That rose oil you mentioned you use in addition to the bath sounds good. Like I could actually go back to bathing her once a week. Where did you get it Fringe?

I am sorry you have to go through that for so many days now :( A few hours was enough for me. My son asked me last month why the sky always looks so cloudy and why there are so many lines in the sky all the time. What could I tell him? A seven year old notices...so sad for me to hear such questions from him.

hf
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I know we are raising our children and grandchildren in a much different world than what I grew up in :(

I get mine from my little health food store

Dr Bronners soaps comes in other formula's as well , you can buy it online or directly from his link or usually in health food stores as well .

here is a link for you to look at his products and you can price shop for it too tho

[link to www.drbronner.com]
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


Health food store okay...thanks alot for that and the link too. Off to put my son to bed. So nice chatting with ya Fringe hugs If I don't see ya later on have a good night! :)

hf
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Health food store okay...thanks alot for that and the link too. Off to put my son to bed. So nice chatting with ya Fringe hugs If I don't see ya later on have a good night! :)

hf
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hugs you too, go enjoy your son , they grow up sooooooooooo fast
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If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

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was a little bored and watched a video on gotu kola. Never heard of it, but what was interesting was this:

Germanium is essential for the regeneration of DNA and for maximising nutritional wellbeing in the body. It also activates oxygen within the body enabling more to be available to the tissues and helps to restore T-cell balance thus heightening immune system function


Li Ching-Yuen
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
he lived debatably 265 years or so

ginseng also contains germanium

thought it was interesting!
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1rof1
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okay lazy. Its a nice way to say lazy haha!
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Gotu Kola is a great herb for women to add because it helps to fight off cellulite as well and integral in helping to form collagen in the body

Gotu kola, Centella asiatica, is a perennial herb indigenous to subtropical and tropical climates. It is effective at flushing cellulite by improving the circulation of blood and enhancing the structure of connective tissue, allowing new collagen formation, which keeps skin tight and firm. The active components of gotu kola leaves are called triterpenes. According to the European Journal of Dermatology, extracts of gotu kola "exerted a preferential stimulation of collagen synthesis and was active at low doses only." Furthermore, gotu kola can aid in flushing toxic pathogens from the body. The journal Molecules reported in 2009 that gotu kola has, "antimicrobial activities and has a protective role against attempted pathogen infections.

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nice! I wonder if it would make a nice cream. I'm taking burdock right now, haven't noticed any differences yet though. Supposed to be good cleanser and good for the nervous system.
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nice! I wonder if it would make a nice cream. I'm taking burdock right now, haven't noticed any differences yet though. Supposed to be good cleanser and good for the nervous system.
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LOL just gave me an Idea.. started making a paste out of the diatomaceous earth stuff I got for a mask didn't think about adding that into the mix. I will say this my skin feels so much better after using it :) and I used Vitamin C skin cream for my face
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