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if I think back to any major event the only one I can think of and know what I was doing at the time was 9/11

everything else is was a blur.. I dont recall what I was doing during Dianna death or shuttle crashes... nada...

selective memory I think I prolly replaced those memories with watching paint dry

thats a joke on my self dont get offended
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Those are called 'flashbulb memories'.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

For example, do you remember where you were when you heard of princess Diana's death?


Shock does strange things to memory.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Was at home at the time and was living in Oregon Seer
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


I was at a friends house. Standing just outside his garage with a few others.

I don't remember where I was however, when I heard of the Challenger explosion. Seems I would remember that...



I use to often relay to others the damage one can do to ones psyche by watching some of the things available on this site or the web in general.

It is a compulsion for some reason for Man to desire to witness horror.


For example, many months ago there was a vid circulating on GLP regarding a Chinese toddler being run over, twice, then left on the road while people just passed right on by her.

I ignored the thread knowing that I should not watch said video, due to others I had seen in the past which continued to haunt me.

After much internal struggle, and seeing the thread bumped for over a week, I decided to watch it. What I saw so horrified and disgusted me, that it is burned into my memory forever.

I made a choice in that moment, to no longer expose myself to the horror which was available for me to 'click'.

And attempted to warn others from doing so.


As that once seen, can not be unseen.

Perhaps that is what Dion means by all consciousness is visual.

hmm
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The Space Shuttle Challenger disaster occurred on January 28, 1986 [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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yes K is who you are referring to , his younger self. :) Kind of like Spock in the Star Trek movie , but K didn't meet his younger self and Spock Met his older self. Its all relative.

I know it was a good movie :) And yes the net that was put around the earth's grid did you also notice the larger atomic structure in that arcnet grid?
[link to 1.bp.blogspot.com]

And I all to well remember the Challenger exploding watched it happen on Tv when I was stationed in Germany down in the recreation room at the time , I remember feeling stunned then :( sort of like when 9/11 happened
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did you remember when he took his hat off he had and opening and the atomic thing was in his head?

funny how he brought up a baseball game as well..
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Yes and said he was a 5th dimensional being and talked about the baseball being aerodynamically flawed because the guys wife had just left him, and then went on about infinitesimal possibilites until it actually coalesced , he used it as a hiding place for the device ... like I said great movie to me , only thing is I cover my eyes when they flash the neurolizer lol always did .. was internally warned against it :)
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Those are called 'flashbulb memories'.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

For example, do you remember where you were when you heard of princess Diana's death?


Shock does strange things to memory.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Was at home at the time and was living in Oregon Seer
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


I was at a friends house. Standing just outside his garage with a few others.

I don't remember where I was however, when I heard of the Challenger explosion. Seems I would remember that...



I use to often relay to others the damage one can do to ones psyche by watching some of the things available on this site or the web in general.

It is a compulsion for some reason for Man to desire to witness horror.


For example, many months ago there was a vid circulating on GLP regarding a Chinese toddler being run over, twice, then left on the road while people just passed right on by her.

I ignored the thread knowing that I should not watch said video, due to others I had seen in the past which continued to haunt me.

After much internal struggle, and seeing the thread bumped for over a week, I decided to watch it. What I saw so horrified and disgusted me, that it is burned into my memory forever.

I made a choice in that moment, to no longer expose myself to the horror which was available for me to 'click'.

And attempted to warn others from doing so.


As that once seen, can not be unseen.

Perhaps that is what Dion means by all consciousness is visual.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


it can also point to a weakness in you that you can pass over and not become unsensitive to it but rather more resistant to.

"The strenght of a being is mesured on its resistance to damage rather then its damage dealing capability."

As crazy as this might seem cole. To test the strenght of an individual you have to hit him Hard as often as you can, until he/she breaks. When your really strong, you take pleasure at getting hit hard! ---- future cole. from infamous.

in the game infamous you go back to time and cause chaos and destruction to your past in hope that you become far stronger then you once where, just so that you might have a chance to Save the lives of your loved ones when the demons come.
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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Those are called 'flashbulb memories'.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

For example, do you remember where you were when you heard of princess Diana's death?


Shock does strange things to memory.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Was at home at the time and was living in Oregon Seer
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


I was at a friends house. Standing just outside his garage with a few others.

I don't remember where I was however, when I heard of the Challenger explosion. Seems I would remember that...



I use to often relay to others the damage one can do to ones psyche by watching some of the things available on this site or the web in general.

It is a compulsion for some reason for Man to desire to witness horror.


For example, many months ago there was a vid circulating on GLP regarding a Chinese toddler being run over, twice, then left on the road while people just passed right on by her.

I ignored the thread knowing that I should not watch said video, due to others I had seen in the past which continued to haunt me.

After much internal struggle, and seeing the thread bumped for over a week, I decided to watch it. What I saw so horrified and disgusted me, that it is burned into my memory forever.

I made a choice in that moment, to no longer expose myself to the horror which was available for me to 'click'.

And attempted to warn others from doing so.


As that once seen, can not be unseen.

Perhaps that is what Dion means by all consciousness is visual.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


I did that to myself with a beheading video Seer.. too much to suppress the feelings I had but at the time, it showed just what animals they were ( I sobbed so hard over that). I will not forget that

There was another instance where adrenaline kicked in for me when I was at Fort Sam Houston San Antonio for my medic training and we got our first weekend pass. Were in a bar and there was an accident outside some guy hit a patch of water and flipped his pinto. It was upside down when we got out there and he was strapped in. We gently maneuvered the guy out and onto the ground ... we ended up administering cpr with protection of course but found out the man ended up dying with severe head injuries. That was another profound instance in my life and when I got hurt active duty and was in the medical hold company waiting discharge and got sent to the new born nursery to do bilirubin's and pku test I had to quite after about 5 days that I could not do, felt so wrong to do a brand new baby that way.

Last Edited by * Flutterby Fringe* on 02/01/2013 11:14 PM
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
"Somewhere beyond our ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing,
there is a Garden , The Balance. I’ll meet you there."


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“The heart and mind must be brought into perfect equilibrium before true thinking or true spirituality can be attained. The highest function of the mind is reason; the highest function of the heart is intuition, a sensing process not necessitating the normal working of the mind.”

~Manly P. Hall

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Those are called 'flashbulb memories'.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

For example, do you remember where you were when you heard of princess Diana's death?


Shock does strange things to memory.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Was at home at the time and was living in Oregon Seer
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


I was at a friends house. Standing just outside his garage with a few others.

I don't remember where I was however, when I heard of the Challenger explosion. Seems I would remember that...



I use to often relay to others the damage one can do to ones psyche by watching some of the things available on this site or the web in general.

It is a compulsion for some reason for Man to desire to witness horror.


For example, many months ago there was a vid circulating on GLP regarding a Chinese toddler being run over, twice, then left on the road while people just passed right on by her.

I ignored the thread knowing that I should not watch said video, due to others I had seen in the past which continued to haunt me.

After much internal struggle, and seeing the thread bumped for over a week, I decided to watch it. What I saw so horrified and disgusted me, that it is burned into my memory forever.

I made a choice in that moment, to no longer expose myself to the horror which was available for me to 'click'.

And attempted to warn others from doing so.


As that once seen, can not be unseen.

Perhaps that is what Dion means by all consciousness is visual.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


it can also point to a weakness in you that you can pass over and not become unsensitive to it but rather more resistant to.

"The strenght of a being is mesured on its resistance to damage rather then its damage dealing capability."

As crazy as this might seem cole. To test the strenght of an individual you have to hit him Hard as often as you can, until he/she breaks. When your really strong, you take pleasure at getting hit hard! ---- future cole. from infamous.

in the game infamous you go back to time and cause chaos and destruction to your past in hope that you become far stronger then you once where, just so that you might have a chance to Save the lives of your loved ones when the demons come.
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I disagree.

And I find that a common misconception. As I said, man feels compelled to witness horror.

Your explanation is my exact point. Watch the horror, it will make you tough, it will make you strong.

It does not.

Insensitivity due to the Mind being repeatedly shocked by disturbing content, does not make one tough.

It make them callous. And insensitive to empathy.


Violence is birthed from the callous disregard of those outside a perceived 'group' or Self.

Callousness is formed by wear. Just like the skin. To make HARD due to repetitive strain.

Some callouses are necessary to progress, other are an unnecessary burden we place on ourselves.

:)
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I did that to myself with a beheading video Seer.. too much to suppress the feelings I had but at the time, it showed just what animals they were ( I sobbed so hard over that). I will not forget that
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Yes. I saw that circulating and chose not to watch...

Thankfully.


Why does Man feel compelled to watch other being violently murdered? I ask this as the 60in screen to my direct left displays images of men beating each other half to death cinematically.

Not my thing.


Thank God for headphones.

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I did that to myself with a beheading video Seer.. too much to suppress the feelings I had but at the time, it showed just what animals they were ( I sobbed so hard over that). I will not forget that
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


Yes. I saw that circulating and chose not to watch...

Thankfully.


Why does Man feel compelled to watch other being violently murdered? I ask this as the 60in screen to my direct left displays images of men beating each other half to death cinematically.

Not my thing.


Thank God for headphones.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I watched this back like in early 2009 before I even knew about GLP lol ... not my thing to watch violence in that manner either. There are some movies tho like Transformers I will watch for what I may learn about certain things. But real violence nope. I have been exposed to enough of that , have a certain part that was trained to kick in tho in those kinds of events with the military training I had while in Germany , was stationed in a front line unit for war time connected to a Mash unit ( Mobile Army Surgical Hospital)
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
"Somewhere beyond our ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing,
there is a Garden , The Balance. I’ll meet you there."


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“The heart and mind must be brought into perfect equilibrium before true thinking or true spirituality can be attained. The highest function of the mind is reason; the highest function of the heart is intuition, a sensing process not necessitating the normal working of the mind.”

~Manly P. Hall

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...


Was at home at the time and was living in Oregon Seer
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I was at a friends house. Standing just outside his garage with a few others.

I don't remember where I was however, when I heard of the Challenger explosion. Seems I would remember that...



I use to often relay to others the damage one can do to ones psyche by watching some of the things available on this site or the web in general.

It is a compulsion for some reason for Man to desire to witness horror.


For example, many months ago there was a vid circulating on GLP regarding a Chinese toddler being run over, twice, then left on the road while people just passed right on by her.

I ignored the thread knowing that I should not watch said video, due to others I had seen in the past which continued to haunt me.

After much internal struggle, and seeing the thread bumped for over a week, I decided to watch it. What I saw so horrified and disgusted me, that it is burned into my memory forever.

I made a choice in that moment, to no longer expose myself to the horror which was available for me to 'click'.

And attempted to warn others from doing so.


As that once seen, can not be unseen.

Perhaps that is what Dion means by all consciousness is visual.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


it can also point to a weakness in you that you can pass over and not become unsensitive to it but rather more resistant to.

"The strenght of a being is mesured on its resistance to damage rather then its damage dealing capability."

As crazy as this might seem cole. To test the strenght of an individual you have to hit him Hard as often as you can, until he/she breaks. When your really strong, you take pleasure at getting hit hard! ---- future cole. from infamous.

in the game infamous you go back to time and cause chaos and destruction to your past in hope that you become far stronger then you once where, just so that you might have a chance to Save the lives of your loved ones when the demons come.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


I disagree.

And I find that a common misconception. As I said, man feels compelled to witness horror.

Your explanation is my exact point. Watch the horror, it will make you tough, it will make you strong.

It does not.

Insensitivity due to the Mind being repeatedly shocked by disturbing content, does not make one tough.

It make them callous. And insensitive to empathy.


Violence is birthed from the callous disregard of those outside a perceived 'group' or Self.

Callousness is formed by wear. Just like the skin. To make HARD due to repetitive strain.

Some callouses are necessary to progress, other are an unnecessary burden we place on ourselves.

:)
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i dont see it like this!
You have those that seeks horror becasue they like the sensation, the shock!

And you have those That are Aware and knowing of its implications!

Nobody is perfect and this world welcomes all possibilites and flavours.

Willfully disregarding some energy pattern can be worst then learning from them.

God never said it was going to be easy!
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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I did that to myself with a beheading video Seer.. too much to suppress the feelings I had but at the time, it showed just what animals they were ( I sobbed so hard over that). I will not forget that
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Yes. I saw that circulating and chose not to watch...

Thankfully.


Why does Man feel compelled to watch other being violently murdered? I ask this as the 60in screen to my direct left displays images of men beating each other half to death cinematically.

Not my thing.


Thank God for headphones.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I watched this back like in early 2009 before I even knew about GLP lol ... not my thing to watch violence in that manner either. There are some movies tho like Transformers I will watch for what I may learn about certain things. But real violence nope. I have been exposed to enough of that , have a certain part that was trained to kick in tho in those kinds of events with the military training I had while in Germany , was stationed in a front line unit for war time connected to a Mash unit ( Mobile Army Surgical Hospital)
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Yes.

His name was Daniel Pearl I believe...unless it was a different one.

I chose to watch plenty as well, before I decided to no longer subject myself to said.

And I agree, there is enough violence to have witnessed first hand, to not want to see it perpetrated on others by the choice of a 'click'.


GLP would be even better if we were offered the option to completely hide thread titles from view, if one so chooses...

As some are titles disturbing enough to wrought horror alone.

Indeed.


'Unpin all' my new favorite and constantly utilized feature.

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I did that to myself with a beheading video Seer.. too much to suppress the feelings I had but at the time, it showed just what animals they were ( I sobbed so hard over that). I will not forget that
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


Yes. I saw that circulating and chose not to watch...

Thankfully.


Why does Man feel compelled to watch other being violently murdered? I ask this as the 60in screen to my direct left displays images of men beating each other half to death cinematically.

Not my thing.


Thank God for headphones.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I watched this back like in early 2009 before I even knew about GLP lol ... not my thing to watch violence in that manner either. There are some movies tho like Transformers I will watch for what I may learn about certain things. But real violence nope. I have been exposed to enough of that , have a certain part that was trained to kick in tho in those kinds of events with the military training I had while in Germany , was stationed in a front line unit for war time connected to a Mash unit ( Mobile Army Surgical Hospital)
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what are your thoughts on this

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what are your thoughts on this


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That War is Hell.


The 'schoolyard' taken WAY too far...


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I did that to myself with a beheading video Seer.. too much to suppress the feelings I had but at the time, it showed just what animals they were ( I sobbed so hard over that). I will not forget that
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Yes. I saw that circulating and chose not to watch...

Thankfully.


Why does Man feel compelled to watch other being violently murdered? I ask this as the 60in screen to my direct left displays images of men beating each other half to death cinematically.

Not my thing.


Thank God for headphones.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I watched this back like in early 2009 before I even knew about GLP lol ... not my thing to watch violence in that manner either. There are some movies tho like Transformers I will watch for what I may learn about certain things. But real violence nope. I have been exposed to enough of that , have a certain part that was trained to kick in tho in those kinds of events with the military training I had while in Germany , was stationed in a front line unit for war time connected to a Mash unit ( Mobile Army Surgical Hospital)
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what are your thoughts on this


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I would honestly say it depends on the "woman" and the "job" some are not cut out for it. There are some women out there more masculine in nature than men I know. Women can be just at good at shooting as men like I said it all depends. Now mothers with children at home and their spouse in the military also I would say no because if something does happen that child needs at least one natural parent.
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
"Somewhere beyond our ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing,
there is a Garden , The Balance. I’ll meet you there."


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“The heart and mind must be brought into perfect equilibrium before true thinking or true spirituality can be attained. The highest function of the mind is reason; the highest function of the heart is intuition, a sensing process not necessitating the normal working of the mind.”

~Manly P. Hall

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back in the day when I was into this stuff

I noticed they were deploying husband and wife's ....brothers full sets of them.,.. deploying mothers knowing they had just had a child.... and knowing they had no one to take care f that child....

taking elderly people I think the oldest was 50 years old deployed yes 50 is elderly

they would be waiting out side prisons waiting for them to get out and trying to recruit them or going in and visiting them recruiting them finding out when the date would be till they are let out..


oh the list goes on what they are doing bending over backwards trying to get more bodies out there to fight their war

in the high-schools here they have kids still babies in my eyes doing ROTC every time I see them in uniform I wanna cry

they are just babies..

now they have lifted the ban for women to go to the front lines...

NOT a good idea in many countries they treat women like
well im sure you know what they would do if a woman was soldier was captured..


some day they will run out of people to do there wars and they will just deploy bots.. and thats not a joke either...
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also forgot to mention some of these people did like 4 tours the people they kept deploying..
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back in the day when I was into this stuff

I noticed they were deploying husband and wife's ....brothers full sets of them.,.. deploying mothers knowing they had just had a child.... and knowing they had no one to take care f that child....

taking elderly people I think the oldest was 50 years old deployed yes 50 is elderly

they would be waiting out side prisons waiting for them to get out and trying to recruit them or going in and visiting them recruiting them finding out when the date would be till they are let out..


oh the list goes on what they are doing bending over backwards trying to get more bodies out there to fight their war

in the high-schools here they have kids still babies in my eyes doing ROTC every time I see them in uniform I wanna cry

they are just babies..

now they have lifted the ban for women to go to the front lines...

NOT a good idea in many countries they treat women like
well im sure you know what they would do if a woman was soldier was captured..


some day they will run out of people to do there wars and they will just deploy bots.. and thats not a joke either...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33484543


I understand.. all of it is a personal choice , not that I promote War I do not. They are beyond that , with some of the technology they have today .. well it is mind boggling at the least. Many movies cover many varieties of what they have. Think about Captain America and creating super soldiers and biologically enhanced as well. Its a War for Earth period not just between nations. And it is perpetuated by Greed. I still shake my head sometimes but the fact of the matter is someone who is not trained to take care of themselves or family is an easy target when a war does break out. that I believe is something everyone should have at least a working knowledge of. But that is merely my opinion. No one should be subjected to the atrocities of war but at this juncture it is part of the planet we live and they have made it into .
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"Somewhere beyond our ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing,
there is a Garden , The Balance. I’ll meet you there."


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“The heart and mind must be brought into perfect equilibrium before true thinking or true spirituality can be attained. The highest function of the mind is reason; the highest function of the heart is intuition, a sensing process not necessitating the normal working of the mind.”

~Manly P. Hall

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I watched a movie one time when I was a teen. I have no frame of reference for the name of the movie or any scene other than the one I am about to relay.

Essentially, a girl, a mother's child was about to be forced to serve in combat, in a country foreign to this one, which allowed said.

The mother in this movie, to keep her daughter, around 16 or so, from being forced into combat, chose to burn her daughters legs severely with either an iron or hot water while she screamed in pain.

I remember being so horrified and conflicted that a mother would 'love' her child so much that she would choose to maim her, before allowing her to war.

It sticks with me to this day.

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women have PMS sometimes when women have that they bad judgments... know what im saying?

you dont wanna have a pissed off PMS women in the front lines everyone will go down

maybe thats why there isnt a female president she would prolly have PMS and press the button and say fuck it all!

maybe im old fashioned women belong in the kitchen
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ehhhh its all wasted energy talking about all this I dont know why I brought it up

none of it will ever change

any ways have a good night

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ehhhh its all wasted energy talking about all this I dont know why I brought it up

none of it will ever change

any ways have a good night

bye
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hugs Have a goodnight yourself. Its all good just personal opinions on the matter . Lets not fall into the divide and conquer routine over it tho .. All life is sacred and should be treated as such. Please come back sometime :)
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I watched a movie one time when I was a teen. I have no frame of reference for the name of the movie or any scene other than the one I am about to relay.

Essentially, a girl, a mother's child was about to be forced to serve in combat, in a country foreign to this one, which allowed said.

The mother in this movie, to keep her daughter, around 16 or so, from being forced into combat, chose to burn her daughters legs severely with either an iron or hot water while she screamed in pain.

I remember being so horrified and conflicted that a mother would 'love' her child so much that she would choose to maim her, before allowing her to war.

It sticks with me to this day.

...
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I don't believe that is love but pure selfishness. Love would never under any circumstances in my opinion maim their child.
I would make them run away from said circumstance's rather than to cause harm from the one person they are supposed to trust.
Maybe my reasoning is a bit tainted tho based on what I have been thru.
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I watched a movie one time when I was a teen. I have no frame of reference for the name of the movie or any scene other than the one I am about to relay.

Essentially, a girl, a mother's child was about to be forced to serve in combat, in a country foreign to this one, which allowed said.

The mother in this movie, to keep her daughter, around 16 or so, from being forced into combat, chose to burn her daughters legs severely with either an iron or hot water while she screamed in pain.

I remember being so horrified and conflicted that a mother would 'love' her child so much that she would choose to maim her, before allowing her to war.

It sticks with me to this day.

...
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't believe that is love but pure selfishness. Love would never under any circumstances in my opinion maim their child.
I would make them run away from said circumstance's rather than to cause harm from the one person they are supposed to trust.
Maybe my reasoning is a bit tainted tho based on what I have been thru.
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


Yes...that is why I had such a hard time with it. But at the same time, in the movie the mother was desperate to keep her daughter out of combat. There was also an element of loose agreement between the mother and daughter but I don't think she knew what her mother would do...


It reminds me of something else as well, it was a couple of years later and again I only remember a specific scene.

The scene was again in a foreign country. There was a group of boys playing outside, all between 10-12 or so. A van pulled up with armed soldiers of the country the boys lived.

They forced all of them into the van with the implicit intention in the movie of making them 'child soldiers'...

My mother was next to me as I watched this. She got up and left the room crying.

As I watched her leave, I turned back to the screen seeing only an empty schoolyard holding a lone soccer ball where the boys once played, and an empty living room I now inhabited.


sad

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I watched a movie one time when I was a teen. I have no frame of reference for the name of the movie or any scene other than the one I am about to relay.

Essentially, a girl, a mother's child was about to be forced to serve in combat, in a country foreign to this one, which allowed said.

The mother in this movie, to keep her daughter, around 16 or so, from being forced into combat, chose to burn her daughters legs severely with either an iron or hot water while she screamed in pain.

I remember being so horrified and conflicted that a mother would 'love' her child so much that she would choose to maim her, before allowing her to war.

It sticks with me to this day.

...
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't believe that is love but pure selfishness. Love would never under any circumstances in my opinion maim their child.
I would make them run away from said circumstance's rather than to cause harm from the one person they are supposed to trust.
Maybe my reasoning is a bit tainted tho based on what I have been thru.
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Yes...that is why I had such a hard time with it. But at the same time, in the movie the mother was desperate to keep her daughter out of combat. There was also an element of loose agreement between the mother and daughter but I don't think she knew what her mother would do...


It reminds me of something else as well, it was a couple of years later and again I only remember a specific scene.

The scene was again in a foreign country. There was a group of boys playing outside, all between 10-12 or so. A van pulled up with armed soldiers of the country the boys lived.

They forced all of them into the van with the implicit intention in the movie of making them 'child soldiers'...

My mother was next to me as I watched this. She got up and left the room crying.

As I watched her leave, I turned back to the screen seeing only an empty schoolyard holding a lone soccer ball where the boys once played, and an empty living room I now inhabited.


sad
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hugs I can relate to the feelings. My son in the Navy turned 18 on July 11th and left for boot camp July 23rd It was a decision he surprised me with on His part. I cried for a month after he left missing him terribly and then on top of that Hurricane Katrina hit and that compounded the pain of his leaving. I wasn't ready for him to leave home so soon and to such a Job. I am proud of him tho he has fair'd well in his job and also protected in what he does to a large degree. The Empty nest thing was very hard on me. I put so much into my boys and was beside my self when my youngest left to live with his dad for awhile and to get to know him , but he eventually came back home. He needed to find out what his father was like. That was a rough patch to go thru and was going thru the 2nd menopause as well. The first was cause of a hysterectomy, ( Still had my ovaries tho)
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there is a Garden , The Balance. I’ll meet you there."


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hugs I can relate to the feelings. My son in the Navy turned 18 on July 11th and left for boot camp July 23rd It was a decision he surprised me with on His part. I cried for a month after he left missing him terribly and then on top of that Hurricane Katrina hit and that compounded the pain of his leaving. I wasn't ready for him to leave home so soon and to such a Job. I am proud of him tho he has fair'd well in his job and also protected in what he does to a large degree. The Empty nest thing was very hard on me. I put so much into my boys and was beside my self when my youngest left to live with his dad for awhile and to get to know him , but he eventually came back home. He needed to find out what his father was like. That was a rough patch to go thru and was going thru the 2nd menopause as well. The first was cause of a hysterectomy, ( Still had my ovaries tho)
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I believe most go into the military due to a strong desire to help others.

I don't believe most feel they have done said, after they are relieved from the responsibility after having seen combat...


My best friend during my teens and early twenties suddenly told me one day he was considering joining the Marines.

This was in 2000. As we sat in his car arguing over his choice, I said to him that war was coming and that if he chose to enlist he would face said.

He laughed at me.

He joined the Marines, and I supported him for it after he made the choice. Even flying down to San Diego to see him 'graduate'.


On 9/11/01 it was his message on the answering machine which woke me.

By that time the towers had already fallen.

He served 3 combat duties, and came back with the scars to show for it...

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hugs I can relate to the feelings. My son in the Navy turned 18 on July 11th and left for boot camp July 23rd It was a decision he surprised me with on His part. I cried for a month after he left missing him terribly and then on top of that Hurricane Katrina hit and that compounded the pain of his leaving. I wasn't ready for him to leave home so soon and to such a Job. I am proud of him tho he has fair'd well in his job and also protected in what he does to a large degree. The Empty nest thing was very hard on me. I put so much into my boys and was beside my self when my youngest left to live with his dad for awhile and to get to know him , but he eventually came back home. He needed to find out what his father was like. That was a rough patch to go thru and was going thru the 2nd menopause as well. The first was cause of a hysterectomy, ( Still had my ovaries tho)
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


I believe most go into the military due to a strong desire to help others.

I don't believe most feel they have done said, after they are relieved from the responsibility after having seen combat...


My best friend during my teens and early twenties suddenly told me one day he was considering joining the Marines.

This was in 2000. As we sat in his car arguing over his choice, I said to him that war was coming and that if he chose to enlist he would face said.

He laughed at me.

He joined the Marines, and I supported him for it after he made the choice. Even flying down to San Diego to see him 'graduate'.


On 9/11/01 it was his message on the answering machine which woke me.

By that time the towers had already fallen.

He served 3 combat duties, and came back with the scars to show for it...
 Quoting: Seer777


I have known a couple of soldiers who came back from Desert storm with the scars from it as well. Fortunately my son has yet to see the face of combat and has been spared so far going to a war torn area. He has mentioned that after this tour he is thinking of getting out because he has mad skills already in the IT field. I pray that he does not have to go but if he stays in it is inevitable I suppose. Something I have tossed around in my heart and it did not feel very good. :(
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there is a Garden , The Balance. I’ll meet you there."


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I have known a couple of soldiers who came back from Desert storm with the scars from it as well. Fortunately my son has yet to see the face of combat and has been spared so far going to a war torn area. He has mentioned that after this tour he is thinking of getting out because he has mad skills already in the IT field. I pray that he does not have to go but if he stays in it is inevitable I suppose. Something I have tossed around in my heart and it did not feel very good. :(
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Let us hope, he never will...

hugs



Pointless war, pointless death, pointless horror.

Greed and Wrath. Chain of command.

Little more...



Hi Seer hf

reminded me of acceptance, which kinda like another form of surrender. :)
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Yes.

It is that as well. Even if one feels one has no choice but to 'accept'.


For example, a military chain of command. One is told what to do, and one must accept or be met with discipline.

Which brings me around to the topic of the 'rogue bagel' which JAD also provided.

To go "rogue" means to make a large deviation from one's strict training.

To 'go rogue' in the military example would be met with harsh consequence. One would be free of the previous path before going 'rogue' but would then be met a separate path due the choice.

While freeing his or herself from one path, they have potentially chained themselves to another.

To avoid this, people will do what they are told regardless of moral consequence to themselves or others.

It is the threat of punishment which keeps it going. In weak moments, where one may question the chain of command, the threat of punishment always lingers.

Interesting.

hmm
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I have known a couple of soldiers who came back from Desert storm with the scars from it as well. Fortunately my son has yet to see the face of combat and has been spared so far going to a war torn area. He has mentioned that after this tour he is thinking of getting out because he has mad skills already in the IT field. I pray that he does not have to go but if he stays in it is inevitable I suppose. Something I have tossed around in my heart and it did not feel very good. :(
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Let us hope, he never will...

hugs



Pointless war, pointless death, pointless horror.

Greed and Wrath. Chain of command.

Little more...



Hi Seer hf

reminded me of acceptance, which kinda like another form of surrender. :)
 Quoting: songwaves


Yes.

It is that as well. Even if one feels one has no choice but to 'accept'.


For example, a military chain of command. One is told what to do, and one must accept or be met with discipline.

Which brings me around to the topic of the 'rogue bagel' which JAD also provided.

To go "rogue" means to make a large deviation from one's strict training.

To 'go rogue' in the military example would be met with harsh consequence. One would be free of the previous path before going 'rogue' but would then be met a separate path due the choice.

While freeing his or herself from one path, they have potentially chained themselves to another.

To avoid this, people will do what they are told regardless of moral consequence to themselves or others.

It is the threat of punishment which keeps it going. In weak moments, where one may question the chain of command, the threat of punishment always lingers.

Interesting.

hmm
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highhopes
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Yes that Chain is a heavy yoke to bare in the face of doing something against your personal and moral values. I experienced said while I was in and was part of my counseling to get over said occurrence. There are other things that happen in there as well that injure ones abilities to trust other humans that you think you should be able to. It is a mentality the permeates because of the indifference one adopts to go against personal morals and values. Robotic feelings in the making to "obey" as you stated. It was suck it up or you are weak. Back then tho the things I did experience were a cake walk to what occurred at home . Long gone in the past and blown over like a candle in the wind now but many lessons learned.

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So, what is the discussion today?
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Yes that Chain is a heavy yoke to bare in the face of doing something against your personal and moral values. I experienced said while I was in and was part of my counseling to get over said occurrence. There are other things that happen in there as well that injure ones abilities to trust other humans that you think you should be able to. It is a mentality the permeates because of the indifference one adopts to go against personal morals and values. Robotic feelings in the making to "obey" as you stated. It was suck it up or you are weak. Back then tho the things I did experience were a cake walk to what occurred at home . Long gone in the past and blown over like a candle in the wind now but many lessons learned.

hugs222
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Yes.


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