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The Place of Emotions in Buddhism

Emotions are generally regarded in the mind of the Buddhist as aspects of our personality that interfere with the development of a spiritual life, as unwholesome states ethically undesirable, and roadblocks to be cleared in the battleground between reason and emotion. In keeping with this perspective emotions are described as states of "agitation" or "imbalance."
 Quoting: observation

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okay so we discover our universe is conscious process thus emotion in motion in nature and what does buddha fortell about that
 Quoting: aether


so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


He wanted to remove himself fully from emotions. To him, the entire human existence was/is suffering and pain. Joy took place only within the place termed Nirvana, which was thought to only exist when a human was outside of the living human experience (when they died). But, the reincarnation wheel always put them back into the human experience.

So, if any spirit ever attained Nirvana, then it ended their cycle of reincarnation. They transcended the human condition and ascended. Buddha was one of the first to do so while living as a human. In other words, he found the path out of suffering and pain for good, not having to go back on the karmic wheel.

Unfortunately, how he attained Nirvana was inexpressable, so he could not form a pure roadmap.

The word literally means "blown out" (as in a candle) and refers, in the Buddhist context, to the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire, aversion, and delusion have been finally extinguished.[1]
 Quoting: wiki

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so does that mean he was free from indras net?
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The Place of Emotions in Buddhism

Emotions are generally regarded in the mind of the Buddhist as aspects of our personality that interfere with the development of a spiritual life, as unwholesome states ethically undesirable, and roadblocks to be cleared in the battleground between reason and emotion. In keeping with this perspective emotions are described as states of "agitation" or "imbalance."
 Quoting: observation

[link to www.accesstoinsight.org]

okay so we discover our universe is conscious process thus emotion in motion in nature and what does buddha fortell about that
 Quoting: aether


so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


i don`t think so
what buddha wanted was domination of the eye in the sky by unemotional means as in:
no matter what the eye or anything else does it will never be as buddha is because buddha has emotional control of self to control all emotion not of it`self origin

not universally popular but buddha could never know that being surface of planet bound tounge
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I don't know why but this reminded me of peter pan and the lost boysscratching

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The Place of Emotions in Buddhism

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[link to www.accesstoinsight.org]

okay so we discover our universe is conscious process thus emotion in motion in nature and what does buddha fortell about that
 Quoting: aether


so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


He wanted to remove himself fully from emotions. To him, the entire human existence was/is suffering and pain. Joy took place only within the place termed Nirvana, which was thought to only exist when a human was outside of the living human experience (when they died). But, the reincarnation wheel always put them back into the human experience.

So, if any spirit ever attained Nirvana, then it ended their cycle of reincarnation. They transcended the human condition and ascended. Buddha was one of the first to do so while living as a human. In other words, he found the path out of suffering and pain for good, not having to go back on the karmic wheel.

Unfortunately, how he attained Nirvana was inexpressable, so he could not form a pure roadmap.

The word literally means "blown out" (as in a candle) and refers, in the Buddhist context, to the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire, aversion, and delusion have been finally extinguished.[1]
 Quoting: wiki

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Septenary Man


so does that mean he was free from indras net?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


In a manner of speaking, yes. He did not have to come back into the material realm anymore, so he would not have to be submerged through Indra's Net as all the rest of the material does upon forming from the non-material, through Indra's Net into the material. He would never again be 'forced' to be reborn into the human condition (pain and suffering).
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hi



Seer, saw this picture and thought of you:

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Whoa...very cool.

People are so clever and creative.


Life is not just about suffering and pain. It is about channeling it properly to call the Muse.

As we do repeatedly on this thread, and enjoy ourselves very much.

That is what I call...Living.

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hi



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 Quoting: 1908247


Whoa...very cool.

People are so clever and creative.


Life is not just about suffering and pain. It is about channeling it properly to call the Muse.

As we do repeatedly on this thread, and enjoy ourselves very much.

That is what I call...Living.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


That saying 'let the dead bury the dead' and then the Aluna people thinking most of the humans in the world are dead or shadows of themselves. scratching thinking on thisafro

oh, this reminds of these pictures 3rd one down, humans aren't plugged in?

these are crazy pictures done by a japanese teenage girl
[link to imgur.com]
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hi



Seer, saw this picture and thought of you:

[link to fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net (secure)]
 Quoting: 1908247


Whoa...very cool.

People are so clever and creative.


Life is not just about suffering and pain. It is about channeling it properly to call the Muse.

As we do repeatedly on this thread, and enjoy ourselves very much.

That is what I call...Living.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Life is dukkha tounge


hahah, I just remembered some time ago when I wrote 'life is dukkharai'

caralho is a portuguese word a bit offensive used for penis, but the word was incorporated into a variety of meanings according to the emotion used on it.

For example, it could mean something is really good. Like in "do caralho":

"Esse bolo é do caralho"

which could be translated to

"This cake kicks ass"


The people in my region/state have the habit to cut the words short, most people here say 'carai' instead of 'caralho', I guess this way it gets even less offensive and other meanings can be better attached to it.

life is dukkharai

tounge

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Whoa...very cool.

People are so clever and creative.


Life is not just about suffering and pain. It is about channeling it properly to call the Muse.

As we do repeatedly on this thread, and enjoy ourselves very much.

That is what I call...Living.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


That saying 'let the dead bury the dead' and then the Aluna people thinking most of the humans in the world are dead or shadows of themselves. scratching thinking on thisafro

oh, this reminds of these pictures 3rd one down, humans aren't plugged in?

these are crazy pictures done by a japanese teenage girl
[link to imgur.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


Interesting images Fancy.

I was just remarking to myself about the strange pressure and spinal sensation I have been experiencing for the last 20 minutes or so...

Anyone else?

hmm
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Is Scientific Genius Extinct?
Dean Keith Simonton of the University of California, Davis, says that just like the ill-fated dodo, scientific geniuses like these men have gone extinct.

"Future advances are likely to build on what is already known rather than alter the foundations of knowledge," Simonton writes in a commentary published in today’s (Jan. 31) issue of the journal Nature...

Modern-day science has little room for the likes of Galileo, who first used the telescope to study the sky, or Charles Darwin, who put forward the theory of evolution, argues a psychologist and expert in scientific genius.

Dean Keith Simonton of the University of California, Davis, says that just like the ill-fated dodo, scientific geniuses like these men have gone extinct.

"Future advances are likely to build on what is already known rather than alter the foundations of knowledge," Simonton writes in a commentary published in today’s (Jan. 31) issue of the journal Nature.

An end to momentous leaps forward?

For the past century, no truly original disciplines have been created; instead new arrivals are hybrids of existing ones, such as astrophysics or biochemistry. It has also become much more difficult for an individual to make groundbreaking contributions, since cutting-edge work is often done by large, well-funded teams, he argues.

What's more, almost none of the natural sciences appear ripe for a revolution.

"The core disciplines have accumulated not so much anomalies as mere loose ends that will be tidied up one way or another," he writes.

Only theoretical physics shows signs of a "crisis," or accumulation of findings that cannot be explained, that leaves it open for a major paradigm shift, he writes.
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I was just remarking to myself about the strange pressure and spinal sensation I have been experiencing for the last 20 minutes or so...

Anyone else?

hmm
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I'll take that as a no...

lol.


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Thread: This is what a 9.0 earthquake look like!


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The Place of Emotions in Buddhism

Emotions are generally regarded in the mind of the Buddhist as aspects of our personality that interfere with the development of a spiritual life, as unwholesome states ethically undesirable, and roadblocks to be cleared in the battleground between reason and emotion. In keeping with this perspective emotions are described as states of "agitation" or "imbalance."
 Quoting: observation

[link to www.accesstoinsight.org]

okay so we discover our universe is conscious process thus emotion in motion in nature and what does buddha fortell about that
 Quoting: aether


so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


i don`t think so
what buddha wanted was domination of the eye in the sky by unemotional means as in:
no matter what the eye or anything else does it will never be as buddha is because buddha has emotional control of self to control all emotion not of it`self origin

not universally popular but buddha could never know that being surface of planet bound tounge
 Quoting: aether


Thank you for so aptly describing your limitation. Unlike the individuated being you present (with the want(domination)) much like Cj's 'limited god that clearly defines within ambiguous polar confines(irony);

The Buddha is an action existing in all states and places. An opening doorway. It's action up to you, but the pattern continues with further awareness until only the action is left with no pinion of individuation. As that is an effect not the whole.

It is a patterning not a person.

No mind=no memory=pure reaction, not the entrapping echoes of sphere transitioning to yet another sphere.


What is the action==pure conciousness (that which is not wrapped by bias of material and perspective.
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attention pulled towards Netherlands

scratching
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attention pulled towards Netherlands

scratching
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Bong hits later. talk about cloud computing. ;)
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The Place of Emotions in Buddhism

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[link to www.accesstoinsight.org]

okay so we discover our universe is conscious process thus emotion in motion in nature and what does buddha fortell about that
 Quoting: aether


so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


He wanted to remove himself fully from emotions. To him, the entire human existence was/is suffering and pain. Joy took place only within the place termed Nirvana, which was thought to only exist when a human was outside of the living human experience (when they died). But, the reincarnation wheel always put them back into the human experience.

So, if any spirit ever attained Nirvana, then it ended their cycle of reincarnation. They transcended the human condition and ascended. Buddha was one of the first to do so while living as a human. In other words, he found the path out of suffering and pain for good, not having to go back on the karmic wheel.

Unfortunately, how he attained Nirvana was inexpressable, so he could not form a pure roadmap.

The word literally means "blown out" (as in a candle) and refers, in the Buddhist context, to the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire, aversion, and delusion have been finally extinguished.[1]
 Quoting: wiki

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Septenary Man


so does that mean he was free from indras net?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


no
he believed that all things are known because all things have occurred before thus indra or something like indra knows everything because everything that can be known is known from experience of what occurred before for it to become known
buddha then believed thought and emotion are two separate things
thus
remove emotion from thought and you begin to see what is known by that which you believe exists that knows all things by experience of all things occurring before

in our 21st century we know this from our recent discoveries off planet with testing on planet \z/

remembering that local traditional sees perfection static

everything that could be has been thus is perfectly known
thus perfected
thus perfection

this is not conscious process

conscious processes is velocity and feedback
conscious process is always quicker than what it is conscious of
that which is conscious process is structured (exists)
thus perfection is the quickest structure of all things
it knows what can never occur because it is to quick for what will never occur to occur
knowing what will never occur makes not knowing what may occur the motive for being
this is perfection
 Quoting: aether
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OK, I am viewing Indra's Net as something different than aether.

I will have to look deeper and see where the discrepancies are arising.
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The Place of Emotions in Buddhism

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[link to www.accesstoinsight.org]

okay so we discover our universe is conscious process thus emotion in motion in nature and what does buddha fortell about that
 Quoting: aether


so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


i don`t think so
what buddha wanted was domination of the eye in the sky by unemotional means as in:
no matter what the eye or anything else does it will never be as buddha is because buddha has emotional control of self to control all emotion not of it`self origin

not universally popular but buddha could never know that being surface of planet bound tounge
 Quoting: aether


Thank you for so aptly describing your limitation. Unlike the individuated being you present (with the want(domination)) much like Cj's 'limited god that clearly defines within ambiguous polar confines(irony);

The Buddha is an action existing in all states and places. An opening doorway. It's action up to you, but the pattern continues with further awareness until only the action is left with no pinion of individuation. As that is an effect not the whole.

It is a patterning not a person.

No mind=no memory=pure reaction, not the entrapping echoes of sphere transitioning to yet another sphere.


What is the action==pure conciousness (that which is not wrapped by bias of material and perspective.

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mechanical universe ? tounge
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x is page 10

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so the buddha want to be in the 'eye' of the emotions?
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i don`t think so
what buddha wanted was domination of the eye in the sky by unemotional means as in:
no matter what the eye or anything else does it will never be as buddha is because buddha has emotional control of self to control all emotion not of it`self origin

not universally popular but buddha could never know that being surface of planet bound tounge
 Quoting: aether


Thank you for so aptly describing your limitation. Unlike the individuated being you present (with the want(domination)) much like Cj's 'limited god that clearly defines within ambiguous polar confines(irony);

The Buddha is an action existing in all states and places. An opening doorway. It's action up to you, but the pattern continues with further awareness until only the action is left with no pinion of individuation. As that is an effect not the whole.

It is a patterning not a person.

No mind=no memory=pure reaction, not the entrapping echoes of sphere transitioning to yet another sphere.


What is the action==pure consciousness (that which is not wrapped by bias of material and perspective.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18040520


mechanical universe ? tounge
 Quoting: aether


What is the action==pure consciousness (that which is not wrapped by bias of material and perspective.
 Quoting: dion


and then ? tounge
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you see believe material adds unwanted bias says our material dimension inclusive of us is unwanted bias
and the belief says the only way to know anything worthy is to ignore what is material (life)

it can not grasp the place material has in our dimensions
and
because it can not grasp a meaning that makes sense to belief it relegates material to illusion bias of unwanted nature

then belief wants to know why all that is not belief inclusive of our material dimension after several thousand linear years still acts in a manner belief can not understand

never for one moment does it cross beliefs mind
belief is wrong
no
the universe is wrong cos it has material attached to it and possess emotion within it
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it does not matter we have a lot of years to sort it our and our universes is helping us do so

which is nice tounge
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have you a feeling it is a good time to remind us of that scale quake in japan as you notice what you do tounge
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OK, I am viewing Indra's Net as something different than aether.

I will have to look deeper and see where the discrepancies are arising.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


No, we are viewing it the same.

My answer concerning Buddha 'escaping' Indra's Net was wrong. I isolated the net as a type of singularity resting in the between place of non-material and material, which is wrong.

There is no escaping Indra's Net as it is within and without everything.

Why did I see that 'vision' that way? I think I was viewing it as a form of karma or something. Oh, I know why. Indra's Net is within/without everything, but it has a structure/function that shapes the material as it is birthed from non-material. That is where I isolated the concept. I didn't pull my vision out further to get the broader view. Instead, I hovered around the structure/function of the net as it relates to forming the material.
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OK, I am viewing Indra's Net as something different than aether.

I will have to look deeper and see where the discrepancies are arising.
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No, we are viewing it the same.

My answer concerning Buddha 'escaping' Indra's Net was wrong. I isolated the net as a type of singularity resting in the between place of non-material and material, which is wrong.

There is no escaping Indra's Net as it is within and without everything.

Why did I see that 'vision' that way? I think I was viewing it as a form of karma or something. Oh, I know why. Indra's Net is within/without everything, but it has a structure/function that shapes the material as it is birthed from non-material. That is where I isolated the concept. I didn't pull my vision out further to get the broader view. Instead, I hovered around the structure/function of the net as it relates to forming the material.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


you where spot on
you got buddha in one rockon

we know what he was looking for

he was looking for that place that disconnects from reality to enable reality to be viewed from an unreal location to enable understanding of reality


we think he got carried away with the notion of inversion
he said
reality does exist thus unreality must exist also
for him it was simple
enter unreality and reality is observable without it contaminating your understanding of it by being immersed within it
thus the quest for unreality become reality
 Quoting: aether


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OK, I am viewing Indra's Net as something different than aether.

I will have to look deeper and see where the discrepancies are arising.
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No, we are viewing it the same.

My answer concerning Buddha 'escaping' Indra's Net was wrong. I isolated the net as a type of singularity resting in the between place of non-material and material, which is wrong.

There is no escaping Indra's Net as it is within and without everything.

Why did I see that 'vision' that way? I think I was viewing it as a form of karma or something. Oh, I know why. Indra's Net is within/without everything, but it has a structure/function that shapes the material as it is birthed from non-material. That is where I isolated the concept. I didn't pull my vision out further to get the broader view. Instead, I hovered around the structure/function of the net as it relates to forming the material.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


you where spot on
you got buddha in one rockon

we know what he was looking for

he was looking for that place that disconnects from reality to enable reality to be viewed from an unreal location to enable understanding of reality


we think he got carried away with the notion of inversion
he said
reality does exist thus unreality must exist also
for him it was simple
enter unreality and reality is observable without it contaminating your understanding of it by being immersed within it
thus the quest for unreality become reality
 Quoting: aether

 Quoting: aether


Yes, it was just in relation to the question, "Is he free from Indra's Net?" I replied with a tentative yes. In a broader look at what Indra's Net is, it would be no. In a more isolated context within the direct locality of the concept of Buddha, it would lean more towards yes.

So, it can be argued in both ways, perhaps, depending on the depth or layer of perception the person is wanting to express.

OH! Edit it to add (triggered from your statement, you got buddha in one.

I saw it from the perception of what they knew/understood back then, not what we know now.

As you say, aether, neeto.
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have you a feeling it is a good time to remind us of that scale quake in japan as you notice what you do tounge
 Quoting: aether


I was wondering the very same before I posted it.

hmm


Pardon my delay, I was having breakfast.

I am happy to say, my appetite has returned again.

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have you a feeling it is a good time to remind us of that scale quake in japan as you notice what you do tounge
 Quoting: aether


I was wondering the very same before I posted it.

hmm


Pardon my delay, I was having breakfast.

I am happy to say, my appetite has returned again.

banana
 Quoting: Seer777


good about the apatite
i asked because season is applicable in our southern hemisphere
and were one to occur we have just entered the season for one to occur tounge
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The Buddha is an action existing in all states and places. An opening doorway. It's action up to you, but the pattern continues with further awareness until only the action is left with no pinion of individuation. As that is an effect not the whole.

It is a patterning not a person.

No mind=no memory=pure reaction, not the entrapping echoes of sphere transitioning to yet another sphere.


What is the action==pure conciousness (that which is not wrapped by bias of material and perspective.
 Quoting: dion


what you are describing is unrelated to buddha
it can exist
but for it to exist
you first require to know the structure and function of our universe thus you do never require what you are describing
at that point
you can create what you describe for convenience

like an organic craft

as example

buddha never possessed one tounge

area 51 does

are we talking about the same thing

maybe cool2

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I was wondering the very same before I posted it.

hmm

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good about the apatite
i asked because season is applicable in our southern hemisphere
and were one to occur we have just entered the season for one to occur tounge
 Quoting: aether


hmm

Let us hope is doesn't.

2004, 2010, 2011 being the timing between devastating quakes.
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02/03/2013 12:39 PM
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Re: X Marks the Spot
No mind=no memory=pure reaction, not the entrapping echoes of sphere transitioning to yet another sphere.
 Quoting: dion


although that looks odd
always something in something to be something
and fractal is our universe eternal memory

i think we have some bits missing tounge


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