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We'll keep that something that will pop up when you aren't actively trying to discern.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
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When I get time, I definitely would like to look into that pattern link.


"Complexity nests itself within patterns. Discover the patterns, and complexity is simplified."
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All that are left are modifiers, such as object families within programming structures.

You are left with the personal spin.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


i get it
same as we discovered that if we could replicate you, atom for atom, the way you are now (exactly) there would be 2 dions because what is dion is outside of dion structure

so the same pattern always does the same thing

is what you are telling

yes
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As per the video, do you now see why I gave such import to the +- charged mucousa? The diffusionary/osmotic bodies which create or bias information transference.
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We'll keep that something that will pop up when you aren't actively trying to discern.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
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We'll keep that something that will pop up when you aren't actively trying to discern.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
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why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Was it the water or mirror that created the first cyclical mesmerism.

Narcissus
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why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Inverting skein as well. We should mirror our exterior with our interior and vice-versa. Most do not.
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Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Was it the water or mirror that created the first cyclical mesmerism.

Narcissus
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Water, without understanding the importance of the mirror.
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Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Inverting skein as well. We should mirror our exterior with our interior and vice-versa. Most do not.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Sitting between two mirrors is like repeating a mantra.
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Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Was it the water or mirror that created the first cyclical mesmerism.

Narcissus
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Water, without understanding the importance of the mirror.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Should have said 'value' of the mirror, not 'importance'.
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A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Was it the water or mirror that created the first cyclical mesmerism.

Narcissus
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Water, without understanding the importance of the mirror.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Should have said 'value' of the mirror, not 'importance'.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Both are valuations of personal bias. Like the plasmic aether or surface of pond are skins of potential. How far you would like to explore the inside/depth of a thing resides within you.
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Was it the water or mirror that created the first cyclical mesmerism.

Narcissus
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Water, without understanding the importance of the mirror.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Should have said 'value' of the mirror, not 'importance'.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Both are valuations of personal bias. Like the plasmic aether or surface of pond are skins of potential. How far you would like to explore the inside/depth of a thing resides within you.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


As well as outside you. You need the environment for relationship to your inside, or it is always just self-masterbation.
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Was it the water or mirror that created the first cyclical mesmerism.

Narcissus
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Water, without understanding the importance of the mirror.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Should have said 'value' of the mirror, not 'importance'.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Both are valuations of personal bias. Like the plasmic aether or surface of pond are skins of potential. How far you would like to explore the inside/depth of a thing resides within you.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


In essence they transfer what is you into a thing(other).



A fire presents the same skin. Where transition resides.


Seething hissing bubbles as properties are transformed.
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Water, without understanding the importance of the mirror.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Should have said 'value' of the mirror, not 'importance'.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Both are valuations of personal bias. Like the plasmic aether or surface of pond are skins of potential. How far you would like to explore the inside/depth of a thing resides within you.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


As well as outside you. You need the environment for relationship to your inside, or it is always just self-masterbation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Depends how aware you are of other. Otherwise you just project your own frustrations into all things and that is how they respond to you, as you.
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why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


i`ll tell you what i am missing with you guys
your mechanical view says imperfections of a surface
because that is what mechanical says
emotional says the surface is as it is because it fits the motive of the surface creators motive for it to do what it does

see the difference
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Should have said 'value' of the mirror, not 'importance'.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Both are valuations of personal bias. Like the plasmic aether or surface of pond are skins of potential. How far you would like to explore the inside/depth of a thing resides within you.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


As well as outside you. You need the environment for relationship to your inside, or it is always just self-masterbation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Depends how aware you are of other. Otherwise you just project your own frustrations into all things and that is how they respond to you, as you.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Mirror mirror, on the wall.
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Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


i`ll tell you what i am missing with you guys
your mechanical view says imperfections of a surface
because that is what mechanical says
emotional says the surface is as it is because it fits the motive of the surface creators motive for it to do what it does

see the difference
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I see it. Just playing off the thoughts. See where they may lead.
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Klein is also a shape we can attach to the Neo mirror/mirror post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


i`ll tell you what i am missing with you guys
your mechanical view says imperfections of a surface
because that is what mechanical says
emotional says the surface is as it is because it fits the motive of the surface creators motive for it to do what it does

see the difference
 Quoting: aether


I see it. Just playing off the thoughts. See where they may lead.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Yes, it tells you to become aware of the modifiers in order to keep your conciouness clean of those same imperfections.
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haha

i know

we have the "him" believe in our fields which states
all is unknowable so find a mechanical explanation of why and possess a faith to go with it that says when you die everything will be okay

it is the way and it will take many years and oh so many experiences for that to become forgotten
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A mirror biases reality through the imperfections of it's surface.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


i`ll tell you what i am missing with you guys
your mechanical view says imperfections of a surface
because that is what mechanical says
emotional says the surface is as it is because it fits the motive of the surface creators motive for it to do what it does

see the difference
 Quoting: aether


I see it. Just playing off the thoughts. See where they may lead.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Yes, it tells you to become aware of the modifiers in order to keep your conciouness clean of those same imperfections.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


It is what the tibetan book of the book tells. As you should erase all fancy of self image.
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haha

i know

we have the "him" believe in our fields which states
all is unknowable so find a mechanical explanation of why and possess a faith to go with it that says when you die everything will be okay

it is the way and it will take many years and oh so many experiences for that to become forgotten
 Quoting: aether


Transient transition phase.
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okay guys what about this \z/


there appears to be common agreement that our common all that is not our self is "conscious process"
do we ever consider that conscious process is motivated to know intimately the local spheres within it`s domains current state always. as in:
it maintains the present for us to be conscious within knowingly 24/7
thus it knowingly interacts with individuals within local spheres noticeably differently on occasions because being conscious process it possess motive and motive is bias
thus a person can and will feel "singled out" and others will notice a "singled out" person is so
 Quoting: aether
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We'll keep that something that will pop up when you aren't actively trying to discern.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Is that like the story with the snake always eating the baby vultures?
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okay guys what about this \z/


there appears to be common agreement that our common all that is not our self is "conscious process"
do we ever consider that conscious process is motivated to know intimately the local spheres within it`s domains current state always. as in:
it maintains the present for us to be conscious within knowingly 24/7
thus it knowingly interacts with individuals within local spheres noticeably differently on occasions because being conscious process it possess motive and motive is bias
thus a person can and will feel "singled out" and others will notice a "singled out" person is so
 Quoting: aether

 Quoting: aether


That all depends on material need to blend with the dominant frequency.

Some are atonal for a reason.


The dominant frequency is rarely if ever as important as the subtle background tones.
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Fringe yesterday you posted about a dream in Antarctica
after I read that I almost posted at a reply to you and said maybe you're predicting an earthquake
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okay guys what about this \z/


there appears to be common agreement that our common all that is not our self is "conscious process"
do we ever consider that conscious process is motivated to know intimately the local spheres within it`s domains current state always. as in:
it maintains the present for us to be conscious within knowingly 24/7
thus it knowingly interacts with individuals within local spheres noticeably differently on occasions because being conscious process it possess motive and motive is bias
thus a person can and will feel "singled out" and others will notice a "singled out" person is so
 Quoting: aether

 Quoting: aether


I really enjoyed this post, and thought it was 'spot on'. It is an understanding that as we are 'consciousness', so to is all else that is not us. That is what 'relationship' is made of, consciousness synergystically (made up word, lol) interacting with consciousness through various means of electromagnetic motions and complexities.

There is something in that final part. Not sure I can pin down right now, as I am literally working at work between posts. I was doing that dialogue with Dion as he enjoys it; without thought.

It has to do with depth of complexity and 'singled out', or knowing you and all that is not you.
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We'll keep that something that will pop up when you aren't actively trying to discern.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


why not say now what you believe i will see one day when i am not thinking
if you tell me does it alter what may or may not occur
what can be the mystery
why have mystery
as in:
that which is said to be known and kept secret
what is the point where it true
 Quoting: aether


Essentially the Klein. The snake of repetition.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Is that like the story with the snake always eating the baby vultures?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32430667


The dominant theme to change is lopping of the head of tje snake.

Imagine staccato breathing patterns amidst building shock.
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Pattern theory, formulated by Ulf Grenander, is a mathematical formalism to describe knowledge of the world as patterns. It differs from other approaches to artificial intelligence in that it does not begin by prescribing algorithms and machinery to recognize and classify patterns; rather, it prescribes a vocabulary to articulate and recast the pattern concepts in precise language.

In addition to the new algebraic vocabulary, its statistical approach was novel in its aim to:

Identify the hidden variables of a data set using real world data rather than artificial stimuli, which was commonplace at the time.
Formulate prior distributions for hidden variables and models for the observed variables that form the vertices of a Gibbs-like graph.
Study the randomness and variability of these graphs.
Create the basic classes of stochastic models applied by listing the deformations of the patterns.
Synthesize (sample) from the models, not just analyze signals with it.

Broad in its mathematical coverage, Pattern Theory spans algebra and statistics, as well as local topological and global entropic properties.

The Brown University Pattern Theory Group was formed in 1972 by Ulf Grenander. Many mathematicians are currently working in this group, noteworthy among them being the Fields Medalist David Mumford. Mumford regards Grenander as his "guru" in this subject.
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Ulf Grenander (born 23 July 1923 in Västervik, Sweden) is a statistician and a professor of applied mathematics at Brown University.

His early research was in probability theory, stochastic processes, time series analysis, and statistical theory (particularly the order-constrained estimation of cumulative distribution functions using his sieve estimator). In recent decades, Grenander contributed to computational statistics, image processing, pattern recognition, and artificial intelligence.
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i think application of pattern theory is what is currently running our societies

Pattern recognition (psychology)

Pattern recognition involves identification of faces, objects, words, melodies, etc. The visual system does more than just interpret forms, contours and colors. Pattern recognition refers to the process of recognizing a set of stimuli arranged in a certain pattern that is characteristic of that set of stimuli. Pattern recognition does not occur instantly, although it does happen automatically and spontaneously. Pattern recognition is an innate ability of animals.
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i think application of pattern theory is what is currently running our societies

Pattern recognition (psychology)

Pattern recognition involves identification of faces, objects, words, melodies, etc. The visual system does more than just interpret forms, contours and colors. Pattern recognition refers to the process of recognizing a set of stimuli arranged in a certain pattern that is characteristic of that set of stimuli. Pattern recognition does not occur instantly, although it does happen automatically and spontaneously. Pattern recognition is an innate ability of animals.
 Quoting: observation

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 Quoting: aether


Just change the word to misapplication and add redundant cyclicality and all is boffo.


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