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similar? means we have...it maybe be a different enviroment but still...memories...choosing to come back. I had a choice...you had a choice...

the rest of your post was just fluff for better word I cannot find...except for the bolded...

hf
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we have some choice and in some places choice is ALL we have, but you have far less choice than you think you do.

we are driven by forces that cannot see.

this i know for a fact.

we are not in control: the sooner you realize this truth, the sooner you stop kicking yourself for the bad ones, or patting yourself for the good ones...

letting go of the places where we are driven allows us to focus on the places where we are not.

God (largely) rules us 666, whether we like it not.


'course She too is driven by forces over which She has no control: all the way up the ladder of minds.
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some choice now...before it was similar...make up your mind...

yes free will right? like I said before I chose to come back...

I know about the unseen forces...damn...I feel like I'm back in high school lol...sorry...and... not in control...we are slaves to the system and beyond that...okay and?

hf
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you misunderstand me 666.


i choose to let this one go: it is way past my bed time.


may u find your peace.
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I am sorry if I did...I know it's late...good night...

peace to you as well hf
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that's the second time I posted about daughters too now that I look back...strange night...

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we experience emotion every day, it is an observable empirical fact.

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rolleyes

Do you know the definition of any of the words you just said?

You sound like some guys from 4Chan. Nihilism for the sake of misery.
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Is that even possible?
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Are you?

How do I know I am not dreaming you into existence?
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Is that even possible?
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Are you?

How do I know I am not dreaming you into existence?
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chuckle

hf
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Is that even possible?
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Are you?

How do I know I am not dreaming you into existence?
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Because I was not created by you but by God... I personally think my dreams are just as real as this waking life. Perhaps dreams are conscious awareness of counter space/time?
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we experience emotion every day, it is an observable empirical fact.

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rolleyes

Do you know the definition of any of the words you just said?

You sound like some guys from 4Chan. Nihilism for the sake of misery.
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...

Word of advice to everyone...

People who overuse the term "empirical" do not understand the workings of the Universe. thumbs

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Is that even possible?
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Are you?

How do I know I am not dreaming you into existence?
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Because I was not created by you but by God... I personally think my dreams are just as real as this waking life. Perhaps dreams are conscious awareness of counter space/time?
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peace

Just testing you. wink
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Is that even possible?
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Are you?

How do I know I am not dreaming you into existence?
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Because I was not created by you but by God... I personally think my dreams are just as real as this waking life. Perhaps dreams are conscious awareness of counter space/time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32853395


peace

Just testing you. wink
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Why?
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Are you?

How do I know I am not dreaming you into existence?
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Because I was not created by you but by God... I personally think my dreams are just as real as this waking life. Perhaps dreams are conscious awareness of counter space/time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32853395


peace

Just testing you. wink
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Why?
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hmm

Why not?

damned

hf
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Because I was not created by you but by God... I personally think my dreams are just as real as this waking life. Perhaps dreams are conscious awareness of counter space/time?
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peace

Just testing you. wink
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Why?
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hmm

Why not?

damned

hf
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tests everywhere!

penguin I'm the penguin guy lmao...


hf
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\../

chuckle

hf
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Because I was not created by you but by God... I personally think my dreams are just as real as this waking life. Perhaps dreams are conscious awareness of counter space/time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32853395


peace

Just testing you. wink
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Why?
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hmm

Why not?

damned

hf
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Well I am sure I could give you a thousand reasons why not, but there is only one reason why you would test me, and thats up to you to tell me why...
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Well I am sure I could give you a thousand reasons why not, but there is only one reason why you would test me, and thats up to you to tell me why...
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What is evil without love? chuckle

wink

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Well I am sure I could give you a thousand reasons why not, but there is only one reason why you would test me, and thats up to you to tell me why...
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What is evil without love? chuckle

wink
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Love exists without evil, you got it diametrically wrong. :D
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Well I am sure I could give you a thousand reasons why not, but there is only one reason why you would test me, and thats up to you to tell me why...
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What is evil without love? chuckle

wink
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Love exists without evil, you got it diametrically wrong. :D
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Well if that is the case...

I am afraid I can never love you... damned

...

lmao hf
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Well I am sure I could give you a thousand reasons why not, but there is only one reason why you would test me, and thats up to you to tell me why...
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What is evil without love? chuckle

wink
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Love exists without evil, you got it diametrically wrong. :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32853395


Well if that is the case...

I am afraid I can never love you... damned

...

lmao hf
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Well I can love you, no matter what you say or do. :P
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hmm I can never figure out what it is you lot are discussing or trying to figure out in your numerous threads...Would anyone care to explain?
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hmm I can never figure out what it is you lot are discussing or trying to figure out in your numerous threads...Would anyone care to explain?
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1rof1
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lmao

Well I, for one, discuss absolutely nothing... charlie
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Rofl, you aren`t the only one apparently, seems my original thoughts still prove true, tounge And 44,674 comments can attest to that! shark
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Rofl, you aren`t the only one apparently, seems my original thoughts still prove true, tounge And 44,674 comments can attest to that! shark
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I like to think of it as a coffee house of spirituality.

coffeelmao
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you know what i find strange in all of our creation histories
we have buildings older than the writing dates , buildings we would struggle to recreate today
and
we have creation stories never updated to match the knowing that must have existed to construct the buildings
why leave the stories unedited
unless
the builders and the history writers are two different people as in:
local (creation history writers)
non local (structure creators)
 Quoting: aether


What if some of those buildings are not from 'this earth'? Like portal from other earths/dimensions.
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i believe we are now certain the builders are not from earth
 Quoting: aether


i know aliens are popular and there was a time when i did not doubt space fairing humanoids, having snarphled an *enormous* amount of science fiction: you should see my library...

but recently i've begun to seriouly doubt their existence, not just here on earth, but everywhere/anywhere. Not that there aren't other life like us and the rest of the biosphear on other planets, i'm pretty sure there's lots of those. i just don't think that there's any life like us wandering around in metal boxes zooming between the stars.

which is kind of a bummer, cuz i can't enjoy much of my sci-fi anymore...

here's my thinking:

science (and be extension, science fiction) posits planets and stars as mere matter, complex matter to be sure, but entirely free from thinking or conciousnes. They imagine humans or human like animals to be the currunt peak of evolution (discounting the whole energy being thing) raised by chance and survival of the fittest to our 'amazing' hieghts of awesome itelectual prowess and that given time and ingenuity, they (or us) eventually build craft with which they/we zoom off and explore and/or colonize the rest of the galaxy.

someday to join the galactic community of spacefairing clans filled with all manor of adventure and drama....

sometimes there's this as yet (even to advance races) unknowable all pervading creator god or gods, but usually not.

it was all very exciting for a young and then not so young man: particularly in light of the mundane life i was forced to live within...

but years of gobbling actual science coupled with my own thinking and a couple of truly astonishing experiences have changed my thinking on the subject.

starting small: i have realized that humans (and other animals) are not 'single' organisms: we are colonies. We function as a result of a very complex and multifacetted ecosystem that recieves and process information on many levels: chemical, electrical, and magnetic. That we are legion. the "I" is a construct of the mind. a small part as it turns out. the "I" is an illusion. The self results from the colective information processing of all the life that lives in us and on us - did you know that if our skin was not atached to us, it could be considered a life form all on its own? It has two boundaries(inside and outside) it's own neuronic processors and functions almost by itself, protecting all the life inside and in reurn being fed nurtrients by that same life: our skin is *alive* in its own right. All the way down to the cellular level, each bit is a collony, a collective.

This doesn't even include the order of magnitude more of 'foreign' life that we depend on for almost every aspect of our functioning: there are bacteria that sit on top of DNA and manage its devision, copying itself into each new divided cell. i find that fact amazing.

it's almost as if we are a substrate on which this life can live.

Did you know that the heart has more neurons than muscle fiber?

Did you know that the placenta has its own 'brain"?!?

But what happens when you take this life *out* of the womb that is the body?

it dies, that's what.

the life that we depend on for life cannot live outside of the enclosure that we call a singular being, a single "I".

we are legion.

and even within the etherial nature of our mind, there exists not one, but many. The mental construct that we think of as a single mind is in fact a commitee and the decisions and actions we make are infact the result of a consensus of many voices: all humans are schisophrentic, its simply a matter of degree whether we call them 'insane' or not.

and to the celluar and microbial life that lives as a part of us (largely minding their own business) we are God, and the many voices that exist within our minds are angels.

we are the God of our own body and the voices that make up the commitee of decision makers are the angels: each with their own agenda and desires. All driving the huge terestrial 'ship' thru the 'galaxy; of the earth, moving at incredibly slow rates compared to the quick functioning of a cell or a bacterium and traveling thru the 'vast' distances of the earthen 'galaxy'.

if they leave us (and they do) they get sick and die...

so now, scale that up to a planet, moving thru the galaxy at (to us) incredibly slow rates, perusing the wider galaxy thru (to us) vast distances.

can u see where i'm going with this...?

Now consider all the medical science that shows how much astronauts suffer when they spend just short periods in very near space...

We are part of the body/mind that is a planet and when we leave that body we suffer and if we go too far, as we will probably attempt to, we will die.

We depend on Gaia for our well being and outside of her womb we will become sick and die.

There are no aliens.

The wider galaxy is for the stellar and planetary minds.

and all the rest of the aliens that are like us are also bound to their planetary bodies. Sure they exist, but they do not fly around in zippy little metal boxes preying on innocent humans.

that's how i see it anyway.

it just makes sense to me, paticularly in light of the more astounding events that have been imposed upon me.


yep.
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good morning

i see where you are going, the unique micro life of a planet dictates thus no life form of non local origin will be sustained as in hj wells war of the worlds
forgetting travel is not metal boxes but labeled organic craft we suggest that the repetitive process that are visible micro life are the nature of our universe = infinite environments that accept non local origin imbedding

Mutant space microbes attack ISS: 'Munch' metal, may crack glass

Seventy-six types of unregulated micro-organisms have been detected on the International Space Station (ISS). Though many are harmless, some are already capable of causing severe damage. And no one knows how they will mutate in space...........
 Quoting: observation

[link to rt.com]

we discovered micro life functions everywhere and does the same thing everywhere to the same things everywhere, it is a repetitive processes of universal design that accepts other life within it domains and all domains are micro life domains

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Good morning! cheer

I was rather upset by the AC post. As you may have gathered.

It is certainly not impossible even for earth life to possess space faring physiology.

And this says nothing for exercise machines / genetic enhancements to aid us in space.
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Good morning! cheer

I was rather upset by the AC post. As you may have gathered.

It is certainly not impossible even for earth life to possess space faring physiology.

And this says nothing for exercise machines / genetic enhancements to aid us in space.
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good morning

i have not got that far reading yet

be peaceful
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Scientists have reported tardigrades in hot springs, on top of the Himalayas, under layers of solid ice and in ocean sediments. Many species can be found in a milder environment like lakes, ponds and meadows, while others can be found in stone walls and roofs.

Tardigrades are most common in moist environments, but can stay active wherever they can retain at least some moisture. Tardigrades are one of the few groups of species that are capable of reversibly suspending their metabolism and going into a state of cryptobiosis.

Several species regularly survive in a dehydrated state for nearly ten years. Depending on the environment they may enter this state via anhydrobiosis, cryobiosis, osmobiosis or anoxybiosis.

While in this state their metabolism lowers to less than 0.01% of normal and their water content can drop to 1% of normal.

Their ability to remain desiccated for such a long period is largely dependent on the high levels of the non-reducing sugar, trehalose, which protects their membranes. In this cryptobiotic state the tardigrade is known as a tun.

Tardigrades have been known to withstand the following extremes while in this state:

Temperature – tardigrades can survive being heated for a few minutes to 151 °C (424 K or 304 F),[26] or being chilled for days at (73 K or -328 F),[26] or for a few minutes at (~1 degree above absolute zero or -458 F).[27]

Pressure – they can withstand the extremely low pressure of a vacuum and also very high pressures, more than 1,200 times atmospheric pressure. Tardigrades can survive the vacuum of open space and solar radiation combined for at least 10 days. Some species can also withstand pressure of 6,000 atmospheres, which is nearly six times the pressure of water in the deepest ocean trench, the Mariana trench.

Dehydration – although there is one report of a leg movement in a 120-year-old specimen from dried moss, this is not generally considered "survival", and the longest tardigrades have been shown to survive in a dry state is nearly 10 years.

When exposed to extremely low temperatures, their body composition goes from 85% water to only 3%. As water expands upon freezing, dehydration ensures the tardigrades do not get ripped apart by the freezing ice (as waterless tissues cannot freeze).

Radiation – tardigrades can withstand median lethal doses of 5,000 Gy (of gamma-rays) and 6,200 Gy (of heavy ions) in hydrated animals (5 to 10 Gy could be fatal to a human).[32] The only explanation found in earlier experiments for this ability was that their lowered water state provides fewer reactants for the ionizing radiation. However, subsequent research found that tardigrades, when hydrated, still remain highly resistant to shortwave UV radiation in comparison to other animals, and that one factor for this is their ability to efficiently repair damage to their DNA resulting from that exposure.

Environmental toxins – tardigrades can undergo chemobiosis—a cryptobiotic response to high levels of environmental toxins. However, these laboratory results have yet to be verified.

Outer space – In September 2007, tardigrades were taken into low Earth orbit on the FOTON-M3 mission and for 10 days were exposed to the vacuum of space. After being rehydrated back on Earth, over 68% of the subjects protected from high-energy UV radiation survived and many of these produced viable embryos, and a handful had survived full exposure to solar radiation. In May 2011, Italian scientists sent tardigrades into space along with other extremophiles on STS-134, the final flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour.

Their conclusion was that microgravity and cosmic radiation "did not significantly affect survival of tardigrades in flight, confirming that tardigrades represent a useful animal for space research." In November 2011, they were among the organisms to be sent by the US-based Planetary Society on the Russian Fobos-Grunt mission's Living Interplanetary Flight Experiment to Phobos; however, the launch failed.

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i do not hold ownership over my ideas.

my conscious thought pales in comparison with my inspiration.

from when does the 'light bulb' get lit?


think about that for a bit.
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That is true, many feel the sensation of an idea just popping up.

But some also connect certain things, previously experienced to bring out new ideas, that does not seem to come from some place divine, but rather from our selves.

To be fair, the ideas could come from the subconscious mind, it often works on a problem that you are not aware of, like a name you have forgotten and you try hard to remember, then forgetting about it, and finding the name popping up at random a few hours later, would you credit that to something else aswell?

But I agree, the ideas and inspiration we pull out from the blue, must come from somewhere :)
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What would be the result of Man conquering 'Time'?

Inter-dimensionally, parallel universe, past, future, what have you...

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Man is defined by time, and by spirit.

Spirit is time in reverse...


hmm

Perhaps true will would arise. wink
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


hmm



12/12/12 12:34

It just sometimes feels like we have already done this before...

Does that make sense?


Maybe it's time travel from our future into our past.

I dunno.

It keeps resurfacing.

hmm
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on this thread we express our abilities to utilize the structural nature of our environment to access "events awaiting to happen" , precognition , while describing how we do it
familiarity with that which you could not be familiar with (deja vu) by traditional teaching we say is a precognitive realizing they access events awaiting to happen without thought
the degree this may or may not prompt within a precognitive the desire to explore the how and why they are experiencing/expressing this aspect of their personality varies
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i do not hold ownership over my ideas.

my conscious thought pales in comparison with my inspiration.

from when does the 'light bulb' get lit?


think about that for a bit.
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That is true, many feel the sensation of an idea just popping up.

But some also connect certain things, previously experienced to bring out new ideas, that does not seem to come from some place divine, but rather from our selves.

To be fair, the ideas could come from the subconscious mind, it often works on a problem that you are not aware of, like a name you have forgotten and you try hard to remember, then forgetting about it, and finding the name popping up at random a few hours later, would you credit that to something else aswell?

But I agree, the ideas and inspiration we pull out from the blue, must come from somewhere :)
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good morning

this is a tricky topic because it is encased in the prevalent religious and scientific beliefs of this era

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