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"The information would be found with the Chaldeans. They were the astronomy class of the Babylonians. There is even a complex in that ancient region that was called Mari. I suspect info would have been there. Info on astronomy that is coming closer to what the space sciences are learning today. Things got distorted when the Greeks moved things into the field called astrology. These two fields, realms, are coming closer again in our perception. Separating the fields caused a distortion in the perception of time."

I was watching this show last week and this husband and wife accidentally drove off a bridge into the river below. The wife survived and 5 years passed. Then all of a sudden one day the husband washes up on shore in the same clothes the night of the accident. To her, 5 years passed. To him, one night.

This really got me thinking lol
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Let’s go for the day after. Obviously I did not do my taxes today like I said I was going to today. Oops :) Let me get that cleared up and then it would be nice to touch base.
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Not saying it is but I'd look into Scopolamine, they use the alien thing as a cover to mask the memory.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


Damn, I hope it's not that! Yikes! Geez, that's saying someone is REALLY fucking with me.

It acts like a truth serum too. I'm surprised you brought up such a thing, songwaves.

Under the drug, both men denied the charges on which they were held; and both, upon trial, were found not guilty. One of the prisoners afterwards confirmed House’s hypothesis: "After I had regained consciousness I began to realize that at times during the experiment I had a desire to answer any question that I could hear, and it seemed that when a question was asked my mind would center upon the true facts of the answer and I would speak voluntarily, without any strength of will to manufacture an answer.’

The CIA says: Enthusiastic at this success, House concluded that a patient under the influence of scopolamine "cannot create a lie" Because he said the drug ‘will depress the cerebrum to such a degree as to destroy the power of reasoning’. ... there is no power to think or reason."
 Quoting: Scopo

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 Quoting: Septenary Man


Hey Sapt,
Sorry its taken me a while to catch up with the thread today. Why you surprised I brought it up?

As for scopolamine, think more in terms of a hypno-narcotic, you've seen those programs where people are hypnotised and they eat onions or think their a chicken, that is the suggestive state of the mind, but it generally produces a chatty drunken kind of feeling.

Easier to pop those trigger commands in (you see how that kind of mind control works eh).

I suspect it surpresses the memories below the consciousness level but you can access them if you have er...different cognative abilites or are drugged again they can be recalled.

A truth serum yes, you can bend the truth enough (which is kind of like a lie) so bad info, and it is possible to think and reason, but you have to access it in a different way.

One of the most evil drugs on the planet imo.
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You suggested the possibility of someone/s using 'the most evil drug on the planet' on me, then planting ET suggestions.

I would think that suggestion would 'surprise' anyone.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Really....hmmm...because I would have thought it was more of a logical conclusion.
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Don't worry, as long as you only smell the coffee you'll be ok.
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Dammit. They put that scopo drug in coffee to get someone fucked up on it. Glad I'm not a coffee drinker.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I remember (yeah I know, how funny is that) small plastic tubes with a yellow end and a needle the other, works pretty instant.

stab.....ouch....turn...'insert suggestive command here'

your down.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


This was done to you, or you saw it performed?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Both but I'm not sure I'd like to go into any specific events.
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You got me a little tweaked with that Scopo comment, songwaves.

hiding
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Sorry Sept, I'm not trying to frighten you, but I think the truth should be out there.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


Truth, or possibility of truth?

To be honest, I am more intrigued than frightened. Kind of weird that.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Truth, there is enough info out there to find.

Check out the guy that stood against Putin for the election (not the one that made it to the poll), the other one that disappeard for a month, then released a press statement about what they did to him and committed suicide six weeks later. If its still around.
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Nite. Wish I had some of that soup :)
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Your always welcome for my soup:-) I still luv u muse!
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I couldn't resist...good vibes in here right now between you guys :)




hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


Italian soup.

ohyeah

:)
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WF had the right idea ;) lol

hugs

hf
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I've never seen a logical conclusion, but have seen many foreseen circumstances.

It's odd that people had no clue how routinely michies are dropped.

Some are hesitant about their insides outside
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Did no one get the point of dolomen being nipples?
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That's some scary shit though, reading about that drug.

 Quoting: Septenary Man


Not really.

Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego.

I believe I mentioned that yesterday.

And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'...


Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Hey Seer hf

I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie.

So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation.

Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis.


Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide?

Thats ok is it?

OWN IT
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Your always welcome for my soup:-) I still luv u muse!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6368657


I couldn't resist...good vibes in here right now between you guys :)




hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


Italian soup.

ohyeah

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12273799


WF had the right idea ;) lol

hugs

hf
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Could you say some prayers angels? My mother and fathers dog..peewee.. she has pacreantitus..its severe..I hope we can bring he r home..been in the hospital for 3 days now?
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Not really.

Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego.

I believe I mentioned that yesterday.

And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'...


Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Hey Seer hf

I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie.

So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation.

Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis.


Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide?

Thats ok is it?

OWN IT

 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


I think many suppositions are being made. Primarily, what is the definition of drug and motivations.
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That would be horrible, song. Reminds me of this.

Pausanias, in his account of Boeotia (9.39), relates many details about the cult of Trophonius. Whoever desired to consult the oracle would live in a designated house for a period of days, bathing in the river Herkyna and living on sacrificial meat. He would then sacrifice, by day, to a series of gods, including Cronus, Apollo, Zeus the king, Hera the Charioteer, and Demeter-Europa.

At night, he would cast a black victim into a pit sacred to Agamedes, drink from two rivers called Lethe and Mnemosyne, and then descend into a cave. Here, most consultees were frightened out of their wits, and forgot the experience entirely upon coming up.

Afterward, the consultee would be seated upon a chair of Mnemosyne, where the priests of the shrine would record his ravings and compose an oracle out of them.
 Quoting: Trophonius in Cult


If this was Crowley’s, and other's (Rabelais) take on the Orphic Rites, it is what I noted of ‘Babel’ long ago, it is a level of sadism that is difficult to put into words.

Though I will try in an unrefined manner: It senses as an attempt at mindfucking the right brain. As the right brain is considered female, yes, we could say there was deliberate intent to use women.

As Mnemosyne was considered the Mother of the Muses, that makes them Mother Fuckers in the truest sense of the words.
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Not really.

Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego.

I believe I mentioned that yesterday.

And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'...


Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


No.
Yes.

But, the scary part is that there are articles discussing how it makes you do exactly what you are told with no memory of it.


"In one common scenario, a person will be offered a soda or drink laced with the substance," the article stated. "The next thing the person remembers is waking up miles away, extremely groggy and with no memory of what happened. People soon discover that they have handed over jewelry, money, car keys, and sometimes have even made multiple bank withdrawals for the benefit of their assailants." ...

...Now under the influence, the men readily gave up their bank access codes. The breast-temptress thieves then held them hostage for days while draining their accounts.

"You can guide them wherever you want," he explains matter of factly. "It’s like they’re a child."

The drug, he said, turns people into complete zombies and blocks memories from forming. So even after the drug wears off, victims have no recollection as to what happened.
 Quoting: Scopo

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 Quoting: Septenary Man


Imagine if you went through an event with a group of people, but all of them were drugged to have no memory but you still had yours intact.

What would that do to a person do you think?

So someone could cover their own ass.

That's an exceptionally cruel move, a deliberate assault on your sanity.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277

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I would have used a stronger word than horrible, like evil.
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Not really.

Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego.

I believe I mentioned that yesterday.

And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'...


Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Hey Seer hf

I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie.

So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation.

Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis.


Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide?

Thats ok is it?

OWN IT

 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


That has really little to do with the 'truth serum' aspect that I was discussing.

No Song, I would not like to be drugged against my will. However, what I uttered under said, would not be any more or any less truthful without.

That was my point.



On another note, it has become gloriously beautiful here, and I am going to trying to muster up the energy to go to the store.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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see it
say it
be it

that is why it is familiar tounge
 Quoting: aether


so imagine that without the drug
it becomes environment sensitive
the only influence you place on your reply is guided by the trust you possess in that which you are talking to
 Quoting: aether


hmm

I like this

But

Is there such a thing as 'irrational distrust'?

hmm
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


an environment without trust is irrational

is it not tounge
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I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over.
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That would be horrible, song. Reminds me of this.

Pausanias, in his account of Boeotia (9.39), relates many details about the cult of Trophonius. Whoever desired to consult the oracle would live in a designated house for a period of days, bathing in the river Herkyna and living on sacrificial meat. He would then sacrifice, by day, to a series of gods, including Cronus, Apollo, Zeus the king, Hera the Charioteer, and Demeter-Europa.

At night, he would cast a black victim into a pit sacred to Agamedes, drink from two rivers called Lethe and Mnemosyne, and then descend into a cave. Here, most consultees were frightened out of their wits, and forgot the experience entirely upon coming up.

Afterward, the consultee would be seated upon a chair of Mnemosyne, where the priests of the shrine would record his ravings and compose an oracle out of them.
 Quoting: Trophonius in Cult


If this was Crowley’s, and other's (Rabelais) take on the Orphic Rites, it is what I noted of ‘Babel’ long ago, it is a level of sadism that is difficult to put into words.

Though I will try in an unrefined manner: It senses as an attempt at mindfucking the right brain. As the right brain is considered female, yes, we could say there was deliberate intent to use women.

As Mnemosyne was considered the Mother of the Muses, that makes them Mother Fuckers in the truest sense of the words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12273799


...


No.
Yes.

But, the scary part is that there are articles discussing how it makes you do exactly what you are told with no memory of it.


...

[link to digitaljournal.com]
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Imagine if you went through an event with a group of people, but all of them were drugged to have no memory but you still had yours intact.

What would that do to a person do you think?

So someone could cover their own ass.

That's an exceptionally cruel move, a deliberate assault on your sanity.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12273799


I would have used a stronger word than horrible, like evil.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


I said ‘sadism’ and ‘Mother Fuckers’. Absolutely. Evil works too.
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I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over.
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Me too.

On another note, I love this page number

grinning
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i just walked in the rain and it was pleasant to do so tonight
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Hey Seer hf

I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person.
 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie.

So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation.

Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis.


Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide?

Thats ok is it?

OWN IT

 Quoting: songwaves 37737277


That has really little to do with the 'truth serum' aspect that I was discussing.

No Song, I would not like to be drugged against my will. However, what I uttered under said, would not be any more or any less truthful without.

That was my point.



On another note, it has become gloriously beautiful here, and I am going to trying to muster up the energy to go to the store.
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Your a truthful person....So my question still stands is it ok to drug people against their will?
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I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over.
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Me too.

On another note, I love this page number

grinning
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory.

If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not.

Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave.

Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone.


On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck. lol.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over.
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Me too.

On another note, I love this page number

grinning
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory.

If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not.

Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave.

Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone.


On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck. lol.
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wink

Thank you and good luck.
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Finally got to the end of the thread, quick someone make some more soup!

peace
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I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over.
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Me too.

On another note, I love this page number

grinning
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory.

If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not.

Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave.

Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone.


On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck. lol.
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seer, you are a glp groupie! good luck
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So things came to me tonight. The burning of the jewelry..I wont say here at now..but its possitive. Thank u muse!
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It is a more positive!
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