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Seer, I don't want to talk about it. Sorry, but not going to do it. I don't need a diagnosis, or someone to try and figure out these things about me.
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but it seems like you want to share or get it off your chest?
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Sure...sometimes I suppose. More subconsciously than consciously, I imagine, as I don't like talking about it, but sometimes it feels like I 'need' to.
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Sure...sometimes I suppose. More subconsciously than consciously, I imagine, as I don't like talking about it, but sometimes it feels like I 'need' to.
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we are not trying to expose you or whatever or think less of you from what you say.
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Sure...sometimes I suppose. More subconsciously than consciously, I imagine, as I don't like talking about it, but sometimes it feels like I 'need' to.
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we are not trying to expose you or whatever or think less of you from what you say.
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SoLow, I know. Whatever it is, it is my burden. I just do not see any value in my discussing it. And, when I do like now, it feels unproductive to me. Perhaps because I live with certain feelings daily, and everything that can be said, I have already told myself.

I don't know. I am as confused to why it is this way, as anyone else. It is not a part of me that I am 'proud' about, and is something I have struggled with since my first memories.
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I know what it would take to release myself of this. No one else does, I imagine, and no one else needs to.
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the shortest answer you can get is to take those steps in the best way you see possible and not to worrying about how it may effect everything else. i wont talk about it anymore unless you do but goodluck and dont be scared to share.
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I know what it would take to release myself of this. No one else does, I imagine, and no one else needs to.
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the shortest answer you can get is to take those steps in the best way you see possible and not to worrying about how it may effect everything else. i wont talk about it anymore unless you do but goodluck and dont be scared to share.
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Thanks SoLow. It is appreciated.

Sept by Sept.

oops, I mean, Step by Step.
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Thanks SoLow. It is appreciated.

Sept by Sept.

oops, I mean, Step by Step.
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i so want to know more! rofl

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way to kill the thread sept lmao
now we can say this is your fault lmao
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Thanks SoLow. It is appreciated.

Sept by Sept.

oops, I mean, Step by Step.
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i so want to know more! rofl

walken:
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Here's some astral travel memories I have, that are more 'real' than my memories of yesterday.

October 7, 2011

Last night, I allowed myself to be led down into some darkness. It was a smooth path of promises to fulfill the dark nature of sexual gratification. You must understand about these places, they are absent of physicality, so the experience radiates the 'feeling' of the places, and you feel these things as if you are submerged physically into the 'feeling' they emanate. I hope I am describing this good enough for understanding.

I was led through dark halls, nightmarish if you want to describe them that way. It is interesting...because, if they knew my intentions, there is no way that they would be escorting me to the destination. As the places have a feeling that emanates, so does every manifestation in these places emanate their 'feelings'. So, I have to guard my 'radiant' energies and thoughts of what will soon occur. How is that accomplished? I cannot describe it accurately. It is impossible for words to describe. It is like holding your breath, with a thousand different tastes on your tongue. And breathing out only the tastes you want others to 'smell'. It is not something someone can tell you how to do, you can only learn it through experiences.

So, I leaked dark sexual interest. This is akin to saying that I feigned a curiosity in how and what the dark sexual interest was going to be manifested once I reached the destination. Feigned may even be wrong. Perhaps I was curious. I suppose there can be curiosity with things found absolutely repulsive in nature.

And so we arrived. Everything seemed twisted. Pain was somehow enjoyable. Ugliness was a site to behold...it was a visual stimulation. The walls were of sweating concrete, the area nearly void of any kind of light. The only way to 'see' things was to be almost right on top of them.

Deformed metal, and wood, and twisted, sweaty bodies of no gender. No faces, just torsos and appendages and limbs. Pain that reached climax...a feeling of being isolated in a lost, vulgar, non-human mind. There was nothing else. No hate, no love, no sorrow, no intelligent thoughts. It was like a malignant disease.

I backed to the 'center' of the area. I stopped leaking...I 'inhaled' myself. It is like I concentrated myself into a tight, powerful, compressed form of energy. A question arose from the 'entity of no form' that guided me to this place...no words...but worry as to what I was doing.

Tighter and tighter, denser and denser...

I focused a release of myself straight down in the floor. It is not like an explosion...it is like a self contained pummeling force aimed as a radius to the floor.

Sweet release with the intent to buckle the stone floor with a radiating pressure wave of destruction.

The stone floor cracked and exploded in a wave radiating out from its center...me.

Massive destruction. Dark shapeless entities rose from the floor...small (almost human size). And, a massive presence baring down on me. I could see it coming, I could feel it coming. RAGE.

I slammed down again with the intent to stop the smaller dark entities. The shock wave blew them away like ashes in the wind. It pummeled the huge form, but didn't stop it. I gathered myself in, waiting for the blow, making sure I was tight so nothing could 'attach' to me. I readied myself to enter back into my body at an instants notice.

We met, and there was a constant barrage of clashing dense energies. I was scared at this point. We kept at it, and I did not recede back into my body, until the exchange slowed down to nothing.

I slowly opened my eyes in bed.

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way to kill the thread sept lmao
now we can say this is your fault lmao
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I know, right!
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Thanks SoLow. It is appreciated.

Sept by Sept.

oops, I mean, Step by Step.
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i so want to know more! rofl

walken
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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
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what is the difference between the two?

you can induce lucid dream state from a wake state, by controlling the muscles and reflexes, I've heard, I haven't been able to, the damn swallow reflex gets me everytime, I guess I swallow, wakka wakka

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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
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what is the difference between the two?
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In a lucid dream one 'wakes up' in the the dream.

In an OBE, one is 'outside' the body. Being able to look down on ones sleeping self.


hf
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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
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what is the difference between the two?
 Quoting: Michael_


In a lucid dream one 'wakes up' in the the dream.

In an OBE, one is 'outside' the body. Being able to look down on ones sleeping self.


hf
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well my lucid dream states from a dream, and those from sleep paralysis feel similar.

how is OBE different from sleep paralysis induced lucid state?
I haven't been able to see myself, now that I think about it, so the OBE takes place in this reality? over what you create in a lucid dream?
it's hard to explain properly


hmm I guess that you can describe them like this:

Lucid dream from an active dream
the dream and setting is already created, you just assume control and ability to manipulate it.

Lucid dream from sleep paralysis
you create the dream from scratch, starting in your mental "construct" area

but how does OBE work?
does it start from your current action/position that you are aware of mentally?

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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
 Quoting: SoLow99


what is the difference between the two?
 Quoting: Michael_


In a lucid dream one 'wakes up' in the the dream.

In an OBE, one is 'outside' the body. Being able to look down on ones sleeping self.


hf
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well my lucid dream states from a dream, and those from sleep paralysis feel similar.

how is OBE different from sleep paralysis induced lucid state?
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Sleep paralysis is generally a precursor to OBE (out of body experience)

It is different in that, one is not dreaming and waking up in the dream to control it therein.

Instead, one find their 'self' standing outside their 'body'.

When this first occurs many find passing through 'doors' and walls difficult.

Some float straight through the ceiling.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
 Quoting: SoLow99


what is the difference between the two?
 Quoting: Michael_


In a lucid dream one 'wakes up' in the the dream.

In an OBE, one is 'outside' the body. Being able to look down on ones sleeping self.


hf
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well my lucid dream states from a dream, and those from sleep paralysis feel similar.

how is OBE different from sleep paralysis induced lucid state?
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They are all interlinked.

OBE can occur directly from sleep paralysis or, as I do, can come from waking up and inducing it by moving your energy body around in your physical body until you 'roll' out.

Lucid dreams are when you are awake in your dream. Most people can't hold onto this state very long, as they will lose consciousness and fall back into normal dreaming, or they will wake up. I can stay in the state almost indefinitely.

Astral travel is very similar in feel to lucid dreaming, except the 'energies' are more solid feeling, where the dreaming is more 'fuzzy' feeling. There is a strong 'feeling' of difference, though if you were to explain a lucid dream experience and an astral travel experience, they would sound very similar. To the participant, they are VERY different.

You can 'blend' all of these states, or overlap them. In describing them, again, they sound similar, but to experience them, it is very noticeable that they are different states of energy.
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ok, hmm Im just curious to how people "draw" the reality, I always start with my bedroom, then go out a door and then I create from there, like you have to force a lucid dream of sorts :)

going lucid from a dream felt so much better and easier.

ah so when you go astral projecting/OBE, you have to create the world as you go aswell? or is it already there?

Im just curious if the art of meditating to OBE and using methods to induce waking lucid dreams is the same phenomenon, but with a different approach, one is slightly spiritual, the other scientific in a way.

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ok, hmm Im just curious to how people "draw" the reality, I always start with my bedroom, then go out a door and then I create from there, like you have to force a lucid dream of sorts :)

going lucid from a dream felt so much better and easier.
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I can go from waking immediately into a dreamscape, though it takes some concentration. Basically, it is going from the awakened state, straight into a lucid dream with no loss of consciousness. It is called a WILD, or a Wake Induced Lucid Dream.

I can be lucid dreaming, and open my eyes to the bedroom, and close my eyes and the dream still be actively going on. I can open one eye and have the lucid dream still active and I still a participant, with my other eye open in the bedroom looking around.

Multiple states of consciousness fully active at the same time.

I can be astral traveling or lucid dreaming, and can feel my wife next to me breathing. I can hear anything going on in the waking world, while still being in other states of consciousness (traveling or dreaming).

I can mediate inside lucid dreams and go into higher states of consciousness. From the highers states, I can meditate further and go deeper, etc. I was able to do this about 9 times, which is the deepest I ever got.

This is that experience. When having these experiences, they are more real than waking reality.

April 20, 2008
Early Morning

I had a ton of OBE’s just prior. I was in Sloan’s bed. Rolling out of my body probably a dozen times. I got sick of roaming around the house…

I was in the in-between state. Fully awake, yet sleeping. It was the fullest attainment of this state I have ever been in. I felt my self separated, felt two bodies, one physical and heavy… asleep. And one light and ethereal… fully awake. I rolled with the light body out bed, out of my physical body.

Perfect, classbook execution of OBE. I wandered the house. Then, a thought came to me; to go look at myself sleeping in bed. I entered the bedroom and focused my vision on the bed I was sleeping in. It was an area both hazy and gray. I felt a repulsion. I had an extremely difficult time forcing my astral vision on my sleeping body. I found that I could not do it no matter what I tried. Interesting. Why was that? I have always heard that it is very common for OBE’rs to view their sleeping body. But I was not allowed to…

I pulled myself back into my body. In and out I practiced and explored the house until I got bored. I transitioned straight into a lucid dream as I released control of trying more OBEs.

I was in a grass covered, large ditch next to a paved road. I felt that since I was so extremely aware of my sleeping body that I might easily fall out of lucidity or more likely, just wake up. I was balanced perfectly in the bi-state. I rushed in order to get something going knowing that if I transited to the next state I would not risk waking up or losing lucidity. I said the first thing that came to mind. “I want to see Jesus. I want to feel him, the light, the love.”

Immediately two people appeared on the level grass above me where I was down in the broad, deep ditch. The first to contact me was a female, plainly clothed. She came directly to me and I knew she came in response to my seeking. I asked her if she was my dream guide and she looked at me with bemusement, subtlety letting me know that she had no idea of what I was talking about. “Are you a guide?” She gave me the same look. We exchanged words, but they were casual in nature and not worth remembrance.

He walked up behind her. They instructed me to lie down and put my head in her lap. I stared up at both of them, complete comfort caused by the innate knowing that they were absolutely benevolent in nature. He then bent over me, his face just inches above mine, and blew smoke from his mouth. I inhaled deeply.

Everything went dark. Incredible sensation. I was dizzy, swirling in a deep, almost black darkness. Patterns (symbols?) swirled around me, enveloped me. That euphoric rush of vast movement. Of further soul displacement. The feeling is nearly indescribable for those who have never felt this mode of spirit travel. Normally I would feel vibrations accompanying the movement, along with the roaring of some type of wind. This time I didn’t. It was comfortably disorienting and smooth. I think I have been reaching further states of growth and these temporal transitions are much smoother now. I am becoming much more attuned to these varying states of being.

Suddenly I am sitting before them, on the grass. We are under an overhead that gently lets light in, with all sides open to the air. I have an impression that the overhang is more like a square sun umbrella, but I also sense it being made from wood.

They gave themselves the names Lisa and Alan. Alan was of a very excitable personality and Lisa was more reserved.

I was Mr. Curiosity and wouldn’t stop asking them questions. I remember discussing reality and how I can prove if this is real. They thought I meant so that I can prove this is real to other people, when what I meant was confirmation to myself. They got a kick out of that. I was there, wholly conscious, fully interacting with them, and yet I was questioning if the experience was real. I smiled because I knew it was real, but told them that it is hard to comprehend these types of experiences as ‘real’ when I return to my body. The experiences become watered down in the 3rd dimension and can be difficult to fully remember.

That’s when we talked of the Forgetting. I told them that I couldn’t remember anything beyond my 3rd dimension life on Earth. They were dumbstruck and wondered how that could possibly be, living a life without the knowingness of your eternal self. I became extremely emotional, nearly sobbing, telling them that I want to remember so badly, that I cannot wait until the veil is gone and I can be my true self again.

Alan said that he can tell me that once upon a time he and I had a past life where we had met. I asked him if he could tell me the names of our past life persons and he was thinking about whether he should or not. He looked over at Lisa and she said that he had better not. I pestered them but they playfully declined.

I could hear Sammy barking (Sammy is one of our dogs) and could also hear our two daughters playing somewhere in the house. I was getting worried that if the noise distraction continued I would be pulled back into my body and ‘wake up’. So I told them to hurry and give me something that I could use to confirm the experience. Alan asked me why we needed to hurry and I told him that the dog is barking and the girls are playing and I think the distraction might wake me up at any moment. He was confused. He said, “Wait a minute, you are sleeping in bed right now?”

“Yes, my other body is in 3rd dimension earth right now sleeping.”

He thought it was absolutely amazing that I was lying in bed ‘asleep’ somewhere else. His exact words, “WOW!” shaking his head as if in disbelief. He was extremely excited and said to Lisa, “Can you believe this?! How can someone accomplish that? He (referring to me) is 9 planets/planes (?) out!” Both of them thought that that was incredible, but I had no clue what they were talking about.

We talked a lot, much of it I don’t fully remember. Lisa had given all three of us a crushed leaf/tiny stick with branches (?). They started to eat theirs. I asked them what it was and they told me to eat it. I did. It was bland and a little pungent. They thought it tasted horrible, but it was not too bad for me as it was so bland. I remember the leaf/stick having come from a plant that has large pea ponds on it. The pea pod was large and very dry. We cracked open and ate the dime-sized peas. Somehow I know that the leaf/stick was eaten so that it would do something to us, but they never told me what. The peas were just to munch on.

I again asked them what the plant was. Alan pronounced it 3 or 4 times until I could get it right. Phonetically, it is LEGWOW.

Innately, we all knew that it was time for me to head back. I asked them if I was going to see them again and they mysteriously replied with a, “Possibly. Who knows?”
I put my head back into Lisa’s lap. They told me to make a sound. “Like this,” Lisa said. It was a low garbled hum. I followed her and hummed along. Immediately as I started to hum Alan bent over me and blew smoke in my face.
Near darkness. Vast movement. Strange swirling symbols. I was back in bed.

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i have had one OBE in my life when i was a teenager and at the time i had no idea what it meant tho ive been trying to induce one ever since. when i hear most people talk about OBEs in my mind they are talking about some form of lucid dream expereince.
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One in ten people has an OBE once, or more commonly, several times in his or her life, but scientists still know little about the phenomenon
 Quoting: observation

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i believe you are correct arunaluna , it feels that you sequence it easily and naturaly

Field theories and point particles were created to preserve the concept of physical contact between particles and to explain obvious examples of [b]"spooky action at a distance" such as gravitation and electromagnetic interactions.

It is likely that most, if not all, subtle, ephemeral and unexplained phenomena associated with subjective experience are connected, directly or indirectly, with the phenomenon of non-locality. The brain is clearly a quantum computer (Schempp & Marcer,1996) which utilizes both quantum and space/time information.


edgar mitchell
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That is what happened this morning...in it's simplest form.

Spooky action at a distance.

I don't mean scary spooky...I mean "Dammnnnn did that just really happen?!" spooky.

I was outside after my run and this person who is never out in the mornings was walking too, toward me on the opposite side of the street. Anyway, the light was not great, the sun wasn't even up yet, I was kind of in training zone…where I just kind of focus on my own vibration…it’s going to sound funny but when I run I kind of feel like a boat and I imagine the bow cutting through the water and visualize the waves going out all around me…it’s stupid I know it’s just me.

Anyway I’m almost home so I was walking at this point, I meet eyes with this person and then all of a sudden I get a forward down-rush feeling in my head like when you do a summersault...and I hear/feel the "crunch". I don't know how to explain really what happened...I thought I fell forward and kind of did a kick step to catch myself from falling flat on my face and I'm floating. I have never felt or been able to do that just out of nowhere...like I didn't even try to do it. I realized what happened and look back and I'm standing on the sidewalk just still, with my eyes open and then "me" looked at "me"...

As soon as I make eye contact with myself…I get that head rush again like I’m going feet over head and I’m back in my body with my heart beating so fast it was all I could physically hear after the giant crunch of getting back in body. The person on the sidewalk is still walking like nothing happened and I’m just standing there like wtf?

Those who have been through it will recognize what happened...but it's still new to me.

The more I am utilizing this energy, the more that things like this are happening…and it’s bringing things into my life that I never really thought possible. Beautiful things.

This energy is real, I’m telling you.

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I was out of body and watched myself being sealed.
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for some years in the uk our authorities have been running the following.
3 hospitals that possess isolated from all others operating theaters
these theaters are regularly and randomly without staff prior knowledge "redecorated" in odd color and symbol which express a unique design when viewed from above
the hospitals are national centers for crises patients that are expected to die imminently from out of the blue circumstances
as in: a consistent flow of people whom suddenly are most likely are going to die no matter what medical assistance is administered
the ones that do not die are two types
those that remember nothing
those that watched themselves being operated on from above


Near-death experience

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Out-of-body experience

One in ten people has an out-of-body experience once, or more commonly, several times in his or her life but scientists still know little about the phenomenon
 Quoting: observation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I wonder how much of my 'not happy' state is attributed to my altered consciousness states. I can't tell you how many times I did not want to come back here, as if they were NDE's.
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for some years in the uk our authorities have been running the following.
3 hospitals that possess isolated from all others operating theaters
these theaters are regularly and randomly without staff prior knowledge "redecorated" in odd color and symbol which express a unique design when viewed from above
the hospitals are national centers for crises patients that are expected to die imminently from out of the blue circumstances
as in: a consistent flow of people whom suddenly are most likely are going to die no matter what medical assistance is administered
the ones that do not die are two types
those that remember nothing
those that watched themselves being operated on from above


Near-death experience

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Out-of-body experience

One in ten people has an out-of-body experience once, or more commonly, several times in his or her life but scientists still know little about the phenomenon
 Quoting: observation

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I've always wanted to go to a sleep clinic or whatever and have them scan my brain waves when sleeping. Especially since I can enter all these states almost at will now.
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One hour, fifty-five minutes.