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Azeratel Axo

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Im talking rods here....moses misused his...

And our military today as in past has been trained. People focus on killing because of wars. Military trains for many other things too, not just killing!
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true

what did moses do
that was not meant to do
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He struck a rock...to bring forth water.

And in doing so, was cursed by God to never SEE the Promised Land he had been attempting to lead the Hebrews to after some 40 years of wandering in the desert.

Even as a small child I felt the punishment usually harsh. It confused me greatly.



Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.


Numbers 20:11

TheDesertCave
 Quoting: Seer777



Joshua 1:7-9

7 “Be strong and very courageous.

Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you;

do not turn from it to the right or to the left,

that you may be successful wherever you go.


8 Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips;

meditate on it day and night,

so that you may be careful to do everything written in it.

Then you will be prosperous and successful.


9 Have I not commanded you?

Be strong and courageous.

Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged,

for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.”



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Seems to me that Moses got, err, what's the expression again?

Let's say 'A Bum Deal'.....
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Thank you seer...can you find the scripture after that about aarons rod ? I cant remember verse number but something about it being the rod for healing I think or along those lines ..
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Aaron's rod, however, is cited twice as exhibiting miraculous power on its own, when not physically in the grasp of its owner. In Exodus 7

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thankyou see7,,

apreciated indeed,,

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Hello guys and girls,
I have written before about Dan Brown's new book 'Inferno' which is very important, Dante's poem on Hell and Paradise. Thanks for the thinking on alpha to omega being 1 to 9 because in numerology
Dan=19
Dan Brown =91
My name is Dan, Dan Brown 1991
Alpha to omega omega to alpha
What goes around comes around.
hf
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Thank you seer...can you find the scripture after that about aarons rod ? I cant remember verse number but something about it being the rod for healing I think or along those lines ..
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Aaron's rod, however, is cited twice as exhibiting miraculous power on its own, when not physically in the grasp of its owner. In Exodus 7

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Thank you


Bbl..squirrel season here and I need to bag a couple. Free of added hormones and whatever else they been injecting in the meat.
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Im talking rods here....moses misused his...

And our military today as in past has been trained. People focus on killing because of wars. Military trains for many other things too, not just killing!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7681642


true

what did moses do
that was not meant to do
 Quoting: aether


He struck a rock...to bring forth water.

And in doing so, was cursed by God to never SEE the Promised Land he had been attempting to lead the Hebrews to after some 40 years of wandering in the desert.

Even as a small child I felt the punishment usually harsh. It confused me greatly.



Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.


Numbers 20:11

TheDesertCave
 Quoting: Seer777



Joshua 1:7-9

7 “Be strong and very courageous.

Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you;

do not turn from it to the right or to the left,

that you may be successful wherever you go.


8 Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips;

meditate on it day and night,

so that you may be careful to do everything written in it.

Then you will be prosperous and successful.


9 Have I not commanded you?

Be strong and courageous.

Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged,

for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.”



....

Seems to me that Moses got, err, what's the expression again?

Let's say 'A Bum Deal'.....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


I thought it awful as a child. I felt it a betrayal of Moses by God. Was he not allowed a misstep?

hmm


I can only imagine how that made Moses feel.

Betrayed by God...in a sense.

I assume.


Not a lot of water in the desert. Perhaps his people were thirsty and he was tired of hearing them complain...

However, I don't think he gave up, when all seemed lost. It's just that part in particular which sticks out to me. And that Moses died...just before.

IIRC.




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Thank you seer...can you find the scripture after that about aarons rod ? I cant remember verse number but something about it being the rod for healing I think or along those lines ..
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Aaron's rod, however, is cited twice as exhibiting miraculous power on its own, when not physically in the grasp of its owner. In Exodus 7

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Seer777


Thank you


Bbl..squirrel season here and I need to bag a couple. Free of added hormones and whatever else they been injecting in the meat.
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Do they have access to garbage? Don't be so sure. I did not know people still ate squirrel by choice.

...


Please be aware of the mothers with babies. It is Spring. You take her out, the babies starve. Slowly and painfully. Wondering why their mother abandoned them.

How could they know?

Invisible factor indeed.
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feed back on the topic "law" from the women of the cosmology department

good timing

One shape that we encounter frequently in EU, is the toroid. If we have a charged particle spiraling in a toroidal path,we can describe it's motion in 3 dimensions (maybe using cylindrical coordinates?),and time. We could also describe the spiraling in 5 dimensions. If we start with our three cylindrical coordinates,and say the particle is spiraling around the z axis,at some radius R,and travels through some angle A, we can describe the circling of the particle around the toroidal axis. Then we can add 2 more dimensions,radius r,and angle B, to describe the spiraling of the particle around the toroid. Notice that 2 of these dimensions are just "wrapped up".
Now notice something odd. If we are using our three dimensional model, and say the radius for our particle's position is decreasing, we don't know if the particle is spiraling inward as it travels around a fixed size torus,or if the whole torus is getting smaller. That is because, in 3 dimensions, the radius is a mathematical construct,not related to the torus directly. On the other hand,in our 5 dimensional model, each dimension IS related to the structure of the torus. If someone says r is rapidly decreasing (as opposed to big R), this may suggest a pinch in the toroidal current,for example.
This will be even more important when we try formulating laws. Here is a "law" that is easy to explain: If a particle is to stay on a stable toroidal path, it better not spiral in to the center of the torus. In our 5 dimensional model of the torus, that law can be expressed simply as r must be less than R. For kicks, try expressing that law for a torus using 3 dimensional space. [link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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Thank you seer...can you find the scripture after that about aarons rod ? I cant remember verse number but something about it being the rod for healing I think or along those lines ..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7681642



Aaron's rod, however, is cited twice as exhibiting miraculous power on its own, when not physically in the grasp of its owner. In Exodus 7

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Seer777


Thank you


Bbl..squirrel season here and I need to bag a couple. Free of added hormones and whatever else they been injecting in the meat.
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Do they have access to garbage? Don't be so sure. I did not know people still ate squirrel by choice.

...


Please be aware of the mothers with babies. It is Spring. You take her out, the babies starve. Slowly and painfully. Wondering why their mother abandoned them.

How could they know?

Invisible factor indeed.
 Quoting: Seer777


Seconded....
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Im talking rods here....moses misused his...

And our military today as in past has been trained. People focus on killing because of wars. Military trains for many other things too, not just killing!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7681642


true

what did moses do
that was not meant to do
 Quoting: aether


He struck a rock...to bring forth water.

And in doing so, was cursed by God to never SEE the Promised Land he had been attempting to lead the Hebrews to after some 40 years of wandering in the desert.

Even as a small child I felt the punishment usually harsh. It confused me greatly.



Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.


Numbers 20:11

:TheDesertCave:
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Moses struck the rock twice and why do you suppose he did that? His people were thirty for blood, I mean water?
I just know they were very warish.. Where's the peace in all this???
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He struck a rock...to bring forth water.

And in doing so, was cursed by God to never SEE the Promised Land he had been attempting to lead the Hebrews to after some 40 years of wandering in the desert.

Even as a small child I felt the punishment usually harsh. It confused me greatly.



Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.


Numbers 20:11

TheDesertCave
 Quoting: Seer777

Moses struck the rock twice and why do you suppose he did that? His people were thirty for blood, I mean water?
I just know they were very warish.. Where's the peace in all this???
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I don't know.

Perhaps the first time it didn't work.

I don't think they were drinking blood.
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I don't know.

Perhaps the first time it didn't work.

I don't think they were drinking blood.
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What if....

He loosed a spring when he broke the rock?

I mean, enough water for them all to drink implies a significant upwelling....

Perhaps it was diverted from flowing to a fertile spot....
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I don't know.

Perhaps the first time it didn't work.

I don't think they were drinking blood.
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What if....

He loosed a spring when he broke the rock?

I mean, enough water for them all to drink implies a significant upwelling....

Perhaps it was diverted from flowing to a fertile spot....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


11And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

12And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.




I assume God considered it a breech of Faith. But if Moses had the kind of relationship with God which was written, you would think 'Faith' would be 'out of the picture'.

If ya get me.
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Was he supposed to tap it gently one time?
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Was he supposed to tap it gently one time?
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Good question.


After all, as the story goes...he parted the Red(Reed) Sea.

Hittin a rock would seem no big thing after that.

Ya know?

hmm



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Do you think he could have switched rods and used aarons? The one that was miraculous not in the owners hand?
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I don't know.

Perhaps the first time it didn't work.

I don't think they were drinking blood.
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What if....

He loosed a spring when he broke the rock?

I mean, enough water for them all to drink implies a significant upwelling....

Perhaps it was diverted from flowing to a fertile spot....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


11And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

12And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.




I assume God considered it a breech of Faith. But if Moses had the kind of relationship with God which was written, you would think 'Faith' would be 'out of the picture'.

If ya get me.
 Quoting: Seer777


Sorry I was AFK.

hmm


I want to say that bringing forth water from a rock is sort of taking the LORD's seat.

That was the impression I got from the beginning.

The other, alternative impression requires that the LORD be capable of a mistake.

....

To 'humble oneself' in front of the LORD: what does that mean?

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Do you think he could have switched rods and used aarons? The one that was miraculous not in the owners hand?
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Perhaps he was not to seek the water at all. The point being as far a God is concerned, that 'He' provided for them while in the desert.

Manna and such.


Maybe God got to a point where he felt taken advantage of, lol, so decided to 'pull back on the rations' if you will. To show them, how dependent on their physical needs they were.

Fasting. Maybe that is where this came in.

Essentially, to be thankful for what you are provided and do not grow impatient. Have faith you will be provided for even if it seems dark and grim.

Even if you are hungry or thirsty.

Have faith God will provide.


Moses broke this by striking the rock under his own will, to provide for the Israelites, which in that sense, is 'God's job'.

Perhaps he gets really annoyed when people like to 'play him'.


As myth goes.

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Hmm...I will have to go back and read..I could have sworn he was given an exact way to use the rod..but he did it a different way..will check when I can
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Do you think he could have switched rods and used aarons? The one that was miraculous not in the owners hand?
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Perhaps he was not to seek the water at all. The point being as far a God is concerned, that 'He' provided for them while in the desert.

Manna and such.


Maybe God got to a point where he felt taken advantage of, lol, so decided to 'pull back on the rations' if you will. To show them, how dependent on their physical needs they were.

Fasting. Maybe that is where this came in.

Essentially, to be thankful for what you are provided and do not grow impatient. Have faith you will be provided for even if it seems dark and grim.

Even if you are hungry or thirsty.

Have faith God will provide.


Moses broke this by striking the rock under his own will, to provide for the Israelites, which in that sense, is 'God's job'.

Perhaps he gets really annoyed when people like to 'play him'.


As myth goes.
 Quoting: Seer777


Everyone likes to feel needed....

I do not like the 'water from rock' bit at all....

It simply MUST be a veiled allegory IMO.
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Then again, what is a recently inundated desert if not the finest of lands?

....

Numbers 20:13

This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them.

....

VERY important consideration to make....

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7 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

9 And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him.

10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.
 Quoting: numbers 7 to 12


it looks like moses was told to talk to the rock (word) to bring forth water

moses used the rod saying not a word

disobedience
no faith in the word of god
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Then again, what is a recently inundated desert if not the finest of lands?

....

Numbers 20:13

This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them.

....

VERY important consideration to make....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


So THEN the story goes a little more like:


"You wanna bitch and whine after we've been wandering for 40 years?

FINE.

Have less.

It doesn't bother me any."




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Then again, what is a recently inundated desert if not the finest of lands?

....

Numbers 20:13

This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them.

....

VERY important consideration to make....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


"Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land I give the Israelites, because both of you rebelled against my command at the waters of Meribah.
Number 20:24


Meribah reminds me of 'Merkaba'.
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Was he supposed to tap it gently one time?
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Good question.


After all, as the story goes...he parted the Red(Reed) Sea.

Hittin a rock would seem no big thing after that.

Ya know?

hmm



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Water:

In a dry spiritual desert.. their soul thursted and was looking to and fro and found nothing.

The rod was used to strike...
Moses "sacrificed" to spiritually water the people and feed their spirit.

Bread:

JC was told to turn a stone to bread recall?
Then devil took JC to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

Here is the promise:
The land flowing with milk and honey
are female products of both species, beef and bee.
These are kingdom kinds.

One is Queen Bee, drones, workers and hives.
Liberation kingdom
One is King, harem, workers and lands.
Example: Solomon's Temple kingdom

What did Abraham buy into?
What was it that Moses was leading the Hebrews to do?

The most important thing in the world is your family and time spent with your family. Not chasing the American dream of wealth, riches and the yellow brick road to the holy dollar. You can't take it with you.
Simple is more and only using what you need is best for our planet.
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Then again, what is a recently inundated desert if not the finest of lands?

....

Numbers 20:13

This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them.

....

VERY important consideration to make....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


indeed,, "consideration" slights without guild,,

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7 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

9 And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him.

10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.
 Quoting: numbers 7 to 12


it looks like moses was told to talk to the rock (word) to bring forth water

moses used the rod saying not a word

disobedience
no faith in the word of god
 Quoting: aether


it is the 2 paths you can go by /z\ \z/

the good news is the 2 paths are in the bible

Divine battle vs divine speech

Two different models of the process of creation existed in ancient Israel. In the "logos" (speech) model, God speaks and shapes unresisting dormant matter into effective existence and order (Psalm 33: "By the word of YHWH the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their hosts; he gathers up the waters like a mound, stores the Deep in vaults"); in the second, or "agon" (struggle) model , God does battle with the monsters of the sea at the beginning of the world in order to mark his sovereignty and power.
Psalm 74 evokes the agon model: it opens with a lament over God's desertion of his people and their tribulations, then asks him to remember his past deeds: "You it was who smashed Sea with your might, who battered the heads of the monsters in the waters; You it was who crushed the heads of Leviathan, who left them for food for the denizens of the desert..." In this world-view the seas are primordial forces of disorder, and the work of creation is preceded by a divine combat (or "theomachy").

Creation in the "agon" model takes the following storyline: God as the divine warrior battles the monsters of chaos, who include Sea, Death, Tannin and Leviathan; The world of nature joins in the battle and the chaos-monsters are defeated; God is enthroned on a divine mountain, surrounded by lesser deities; He speaks, and nature brings forth the created world, or for the Greeks, the cosmos. This myth was taken up in later Jewish and Christian apocalyptic literature and projected into the future, so that cosmic battle becomes the decisive act at the end of the world's history: thus the Book of Revelation (end of the 1st century CE) tells how, after the God's final victory over the sea-monsters, New Heavens and New Earth shall be inaugurated in a cosmos in which there will be "no more sea" (Revelation 21:1)
 Quoting: observation

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i didn`t know there were two paths you can go by
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thus the folks in america will know better than most the meaning /z\ of the 2 paths tounge
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7 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

9 And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him.

10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.
 Quoting: numbers 7 to 12


it looks like moses was told to talk to the rock (word) to bring forth water

moses used the rod saying not a word

disobedience
no faith in the word of god
 Quoting: aether


Agreed!
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Then again, what is a recently inundated desert if not the finest of lands?

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Numbers 20:13

This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them.

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VERY important consideration to make....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


"Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land I give the Israelites, because both of you rebelled against my command at the waters of Meribah.
Number 20:24


Meribah reminds me of 'Merkaba'.
 Quoting: Seer777



22 And the children of Israel, even the whole congregation, journeyed from Kadesh, and came to mount Hor.

23 And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the coast of the land of Edom, saying,

24 Aaron shall be gathered to his people: for he shall not enter into the land which I have given to the children of Israel, because you rebelled against my word at the water of Meribah.

25 Take Aaron and Eleazar his son, and bring them up to mount Hor:

26 And strip Aaron of his garments, and put them on Eleazar his son: and Aaron shall be gathered to his people, and shall die there.

27 And Moses did as the LORD commanded: and they went up into mount Hor in the sight of all the congregation.

28 And Moses stripped Aaron of his garments, and put them on Eleazar his son; and Aaron died there in the top of the mount: and Moses and Eleazar came down from the mount.

29 And when all the congregation saw that Aaron was dead, they mourned for Aaron thirty days, even all the house of Israel.



Did Aaron just pull a Jesus here?

hmm

They sure as hell don't ACT like the LORD cast them out....

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