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we are utilizing the label force in this context "mana" (an impersonal force or quality that resides in people, animals, and inanimate objects.)

 Quoting: aether


Not in my experience...


The Force is very personal.

I like to think of it a bit like Luke Skywalker's 'cave'.


damned
 Quoting: Seer777


Later, during the Clone Wars, Yoda had a vision of the Dark Side Cave during one of his meditations. In this vision, Qui-Gon Jinn guided a nine-year-old Anakin Skywalker into the cave to face his fears, telling him the same thing Yoda eventually told Anakin's son...
 Quoting: observation


that cave?
 Quoting: aether


The cave is the mind...looks like an eyeafro
 Quoting: FancyPants


Indeed...


And you face horrors and bliss unimaginable...until it is...


Highest highs

Terrifying terrors...


All seemingly based around the '7' Deadly.

All choice.


7 candles in the center of the Labyrinth


7 deadly sins.

7 Seals...

7 Holy virtues

In the Catholic catechism, the seven catholic virtues refer to the combination of two lists of virtues, the 4 cardinal virtues of prudence, justice, restraint or temperance, and courage or fortitude, (from ancient Greek philosophy) and the 3 theological virtues of faith, hope, and love or charity (from the letters of Paul of Tarsus); these were adopted by the Church Fathers as the seven virtues.

A list that was developed later, sometimes called the seven heavenly virtues, was proposed by a Christian governor named Aurelius Prudentius who died around 410 AD, in his poem "Psychomachia" or "Battle/Contest of the Soul". This poem proposed seven virtues to directly counteract the seven deadly sins.


The virtues were:

chastity,
temperance,
charity,
diligence,
patience,
kindness,
and humility.


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I posted this in another thread, to no avail, but I'll try again as it applies directly to this. It is a quote from J.J. Thomson, the one who is credited for quantifying the Electron(though his quantification was 1000 times smaller and he regarded it as the terminus point of a Faraday Tube of Induction).

"Motion of a Charged Sphere (Electricity and Matter pg 20-25).......................

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21480037


looks like 1903 yale university, amazing really
what could have occurred is we listened to our prophets 100 years ago and by now all enjoying a lifestyle we have yet to fully imagine
but we didn`t, we stayed with the prophets of several thousand years ago and continue to force reality into their expectation of it`s manifestation

hence glp tounge
 Quoting: aether


Sorry I didn't quite follow that, what do you mean?

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency. Why would Einstein ignore the momentum of the electric field in his equations? Is this deliberate, or a mistake?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21480037


oh
thanks for that point

does this fit?

As for photons and mass it depends if you use Einstein's book formula or his original formula. E = mc2 is the textbook version E0 = mc2 is his original version. The first says a photon has mass, the second says a photon has mass, bot not at rest. In other words a photon only exists and has mass while it is moving.
 Quoting: cern thought


whoa
that was the crossover where einstein went from pro aether to anti aether

"In other words a photon only exists and has mass while it is moving."

well not really, mass is a dimension

the dimensions of discrete natural units (quanta) are length, frequency, mass, charge, and spherical geometry. Dimension is the fundamental attribute of measurement, but is not itself measurable. Absolute dimension is a quality of reality seemingly arising from the ultimate Source of all existence. When quantity is associated with dimension, then the two together form a measurement.
 Quoting: observation


it is not that a photon only exists when it moves it is a photon only possess weight when it moves

which is why everything always moves, the photon, according to einstein, is the structure that provides the crossover from non material to material
the photon is always moving thus it`s motion forms weight via inertia because in motion the photon influences (force(s)) the next scale up material unit(s)
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 Quoting: aether


How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
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Well...

I disagree on the 'time' frame you gave.

Man has attempted to capture ITS essence in Art, Construction, Music, Dance, Geometry...The Arts IOW since the very beginning.



...


PpPppPpppUuUuuuUuuurRRrRrrrRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........




Leadeth me NOT, into temptation.

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Pride
Wrath
Sloth
Greed
Gluttony
Vanity

And

Lust...




PansLabyrinth
 Quoting: Seer777


that`s my laziness showing
it is easier to understand what people are saying up to approx 120 years ago
back beyond that we have to work out what was in their minds and fit what we know into what they where aiming at
we assume tounge
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we are utilizing the label force in this context "mana" (an impersonal force or quality that resides in people, animals, and inanimate objects.)

 Quoting: aether


Not in my experience...


The Force is very personal.

I like to think of it a bit like Luke Skywalker's 'cave'.


damned
 Quoting: Seer777


i agree
remember we are using the language of ancestors whom retained the memory and utilized some words to express how it must have been because they like our indigenous americans whom also retain customs supporting their memory
everyone had long lost the ability to utilize it so like our universe become a steam engine to the majority (impersonal), so it remained impersonal to the minority (indigenous) because all have lost touch with it`s meaning
we notice that only in our past 120 years have people arisen whom relate to current information and enliven it (personalize) as you describe tounge
 Quoting: aether


For some reason, indigenous(never noticed nous in there, lol) as well as the other cultures, only left that up to what we would call shamans and not the whole of the groups of people...I always wondered why that was.
 Quoting: FancyPants


we assume it was because our environment had become like skywalkers cave to everyone, a place of fearful mystery so most people were content to stay out of it`s depths as much as possible and listen to someone whom appeared to make sense of it`s depths
most shamans live outside of general social order within an order society makes the shamans own (distanced from them)
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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
 Quoting: ac


does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge

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i agree
remember we are using the language of ancestors whom retained the memory and utilized some words to express how it must have been because they like our indigenous americans whom also retain customs supporting their memory
everyone had long lost the ability to utilize it so like our universe become a steam engine to the majority (impersonal), so it remained impersonal to the minority (indigenous) because all have lost touch with it`s meaning
we notice that only in our past 120 years have people arisen whom relate to current information and enliven it (personalize) as you describe tounge
 Quoting: aether


For some reason, indigenous(never noticed nous in there, lol) as well as the other cultures, only left that up to what we would call shamans and not the whole of the groups of people...I always wondered why that was.
 Quoting: FancyPants


I have a theory about this, but can't articulate at the moment. Bumping to remind me to elaborate once I get in that multi-egoistic perspective. It requires... TIME TRAVEL! (Yes, we need to get the silly bea perspective out of the way, let her get her jollies before shaman bea can line it all out, lmao)
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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
 Quoting: ac


does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge
 Quoting: aether


Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

balance3
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
 Quoting: ac


does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge
 Quoting: aether


The equation E = mc^2, states that mass is equal to energy. The text that I posted earlier that suggest when motional mass is accelerated, it is not that the mass increases as the velocity approaches the speed of light, it is the momentum of the electric field that increases.

Consider this quote from Eric Dollard, which explains it better than I can, "The theory of relativity as expressed by Einstein involves a condition where the inductors and capacitors, along with their magnetic and dielectric fields respectively, are forcibly moved about in space. Here the electric induction is made to move at a velocity other than that of its natural velocity. The writings of J. J. Thompson deal extensively with this condition but Einstein makes no reference to this important work. With Einstein’s Relativity the electricity is forced into a motion beyond its own force of movement.

An example is a common bar magnet, engendering an extensive magnetic field of induction. When the magnet is at rest its magnetic lines of force exhibit only internal aetheric motions, outside this they are stationary. However, if this magnet is forced into motion, the magnetic lines of force react to this force of motion. This is a reactive force, much like the E.M.F. As with the E.M.F. or the brakes on a car, this reactive force only manifests during a change in velocity with respect to time.

(11) Velocity per Second, or Acceleration,

Or

(12) Centimeter per Second Square

If the velocity remains constant the reactive force is zero. This is to say, if the magnet is moving at a uniform velocity, as well as its inductive field, no forces are developed. However, the energy consumed by this motional accelerative force upon the magnet is partly given to the momentum of the mass of the magnet and partly to a stored energy in the magnetic field. Now a condition exists where a magnetic field has an apparent mechanical momentum, just as does the physical mass of the magnet. Hence the total momentum is greater than if the body of the magnet was not magnetized. One may wrongly infer the physical body gains mass in proportion to the energy of momentum. In actuality, it is stored by the magnetic field of induction. The Einsteinian concept is that the magnet gets “heavier”, as the magnet moves faster, ignoring the electrical momentum. This is faulty reasoning from the standpoint of the Faraday – Thomson understanding of electric induction. It is considered that this inertial, or reactive force, gains a considerable magnitude, as well as the quantity of stored energy, this when the velocity of the magnet nears luminal velocity. If the motional velocity is equal to the luminal velocity, the magnitude of the line of force, and the quantity of the stored energy is infinite. Here represented is the so called “limiting velocity of the speed of light, the axiom of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. The bar magnet is considered to “gain mass” in a certain proportion to the velocity of the magnet, becoming infinite at luminal velocity. Hence, nothing can go faster than light, or even as fast for that matter. Very simple idea, but founded upon a faulty inference when considered electrically."
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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
 Quoting: ac


does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge
 Quoting: aether


Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

balance3
 Quoting: Seer777


good point

why did we arrive into a belief that forces us to:

know we can not experience (gauge/measure) anything without utilizing emotion
but
we measure/gauge everything that is not us, devoid of it possessing emotional content

making ourselves believe we alone in our universe possess emotional content

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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
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does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge
 Quoting: aether


Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

balance3
 Quoting: Seer777


good point

why did we arrive into a belief that forces us to:

know we can not experience (gauge/measure) anything without utilizing emotion
but
we measure/gauge everything that is not us, devoid of it possessing emotional content

making ourselves believe we alone in our universe possess emotional content
 Quoting: aether


Emotion causes the movement...


<---0--->

Left or right.

Up or down.

In or Out.

Swing high, swing low...


UpCdaisy...

singularity




tounge


Also, creation of imagery increases said 'Energy' enormously.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
 Quoting: ac


does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge
 Quoting: aether


The equation E = mc^2, states that mass is equal to energy. The text that I posted earlier that suggest when motional mass is accelerated, it is not that the mass increases as the velocity approaches the speed of light, it is the momentum of the electric field that increases.

Consider this quote from Eric Dollard, which explains it better than I can, "The theory of relativity as expressed by Einstein involves a condition where the inductors and capacitors, along with their magnetic and dielectric fields respectively, are forcibly moved about in space. Here the electric induction is made to move at a velocity other than that of its natural velocity. The writings of J. J. Thompson deal extensively with this condition but Einstein makes no reference to this important work. With Einstein’s Relativity the electricity is forced into a motion beyond its own force of movement.

An example is a common bar magnet, engendering an extensive magnetic field of induction. When the magnet is at rest its magnetic lines of force exhibit only internal aetheric motions, outside this they are stationary. However, if this magnet is forced into motion, the magnetic lines of force react to this force of motion. This is a reactive force, much like the E.M.F. As with the E.M.F. or the brakes on a car, this reactive force only manifests during a change in velocity with respect to time.

(11) Velocity per Second, or Acceleration,

Or

(12) Centimeter per Second Square

If the velocity remains constant the reactive force is zero. This is to say, if the magnet is moving at a uniform velocity, as well as its inductive field, no forces are developed. However, the energy consumed by this motional accelerative force upon the magnet is partly given to the momentum of the mass of the magnet and partly to a stored energy in the magnetic field. Now a condition exists where a magnetic field has an apparent mechanical momentum, just as does the physical mass of the magnet. Hence the total momentum is greater than if the body of the magnet was not magnetized. One may wrongly infer the physical body gains mass in proportion to the energy of momentum. In actuality, it is stored by the magnetic field of induction. The Einsteinian concept is that the magnet gets “heavier”, as the magnet moves faster, ignoring the electrical momentum. This is faulty reasoning from the standpoint of the Faraday – Thomson understanding of electric induction. It is considered that this inertial, or reactive force, gains a considerable magnitude, as well as the quantity of stored energy, this when the velocity of the magnet nears luminal velocity. If the motional velocity is equal to the luminal velocity, the magnitude of the line of force, and the quantity of the stored energy is infinite. Here represented is the so called “limiting velocity of the speed of light, the axiom of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. The bar magnet is considered to “gain mass” in a certain proportion to the velocity of the magnet, becoming infinite at luminal velocity. Hence, nothing can go faster than light, or even as fast for that matter. Very simple idea, but founded upon a faulty inference when considered electrically."
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there is no easy answer that is not conspiratorial why einstein and the ptb of their day led science away from electrical engineering and aether
but they did

it always crosses my mind that the object, whatever the object is, always has access to it`s source of electricity no matter what velocity or location in our universe it is at, at any given moment
it`s the point the debate we refer to is constructing the descriptions off

another point arising is dimensions and the consensus of the debate is in favor of mass being a dimension and they are utilizing a lot of the physics in this to justify it
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and God said, let there be light!

toungesorry, couldn't resist.
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To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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How do you mean "does this fit"? I'd like a little more clarification before I answer.
 Quoting: ac


does it fit this:

I was posting that quote because it leads to a line of reasoning that there is no mass to energy equivalency.
 Quoting: ac


cos i don`t know what mass to energy equivalency means

it doesn`t prompt a visual to my senses tounge
 Quoting: aether


The equation E = mc^2, states that mass is equal to energy. The text that I posted earlier that suggest when motional mass is accelerated, it is not that the mass increases as the velocity approaches the speed of light, it is the momentum of the electric field that increases.

Consider this quote from Eric Dollard, which explains it better than I can, "The theory of relativity as expressed by Einstein involves a condition where the inductors and capacitors, along with their magnetic and dielectric fields respectively, are forcibly moved about in space. Here the electric induction is made to move at a velocity other than that of its natural velocity. The writings of J. J. Thompson deal extensively with this condition but Einstein makes no reference to this important work. With Einstein’s Relativity the electricity is forced into a motion beyond its own force of movement.

An example is a common bar magnet, engendering an extensive magnetic field of induction. When the magnet is at rest its magnetic lines of force exhibit only internal aetheric motions, outside this they are stationary. However, if this magnet is forced into motion, the magnetic lines of force react to this force of motion. This is a reactive force, much like the E.M.F. As with the E.M.F. or the brakes on a car, this reactive force only manifests during a change in velocity with respect to time.

(11) Velocity per Second, or Acceleration,

Or

(12) Centimeter per Second Square

If the velocity remains constant the reactive force is zero. This is to say, if the magnet is moving at a uniform velocity, as well as its inductive field, no forces are developed. However, the energy consumed by this motional accelerative force upon the magnet is partly given to the momentum of the mass of the magnet and partly to a stored energy in the magnetic field. Now a condition exists where a magnetic field has an apparent mechanical momentum, just as does the physical mass of the magnet. Hence the total momentum is greater than if the body of the magnet was not magnetized. One may wrongly infer the physical body gains mass in proportion to the energy of momentum. In actuality, it is stored by the magnetic field of induction. The Einsteinian concept is that the magnet gets “heavier”, as the magnet moves faster, ignoring the electrical momentum. This is faulty reasoning from the standpoint of the Faraday – Thomson understanding of electric induction. It is considered that this inertial, or reactive force, gains a considerable magnitude, as well as the quantity of stored energy, this when the velocity of the magnet nears luminal velocity. If the motional velocity is equal to the luminal velocity, the magnitude of the line of force, and the quantity of the stored energy is infinite. Here represented is the so called “limiting velocity of the speed of light, the axiom of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. The bar magnet is considered to “gain mass” in a certain proportion to the velocity of the magnet, becoming infinite at luminal velocity. Hence, nothing can go faster than light, or even as fast for that matter. Very simple idea, but founded upon a faulty inference when considered electrically."
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there is no easy answer that is not conspiratorial why einstein and the ptb of their day led science away from electrical engineering and aether
but they did

it always crosses my mind that the object, whatever the object is, always has access to it`s source of electricity no matter what velocity or location in our universe it is at, at any given moment
it`s the point the debate we refer to is constructing the descriptions off

another point arising is dimensions and the consensus of the debate is in favor of mass being a dimension and they are utilizing a lot of the physics in this to justify it
[link to www.16pi2.com]
 Quoting: aether


I saw this on the site you posted. "Modern physics has many errors. The primary reason for these errors is the incomplete understanding of the nature of charges. In the APM, there are two distinct, quantifiable types of charges; the electrostatic charge, and the magnetic charge. Due to the misunderstanding in mainstream physics, the nature of current is not properly understood." This directly relates to two distinct fields of induction, the dielectric, and the magnetic. The cross product of the two being electric induction, or as physicists will call it a photon, or transverse electro-magnetic induction.

Again another quote from Mr.Dollard to ponder over, "Consider Einstein’s statement on the same page 50;

“In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory of itself is unable to give an account of their nature.” “For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us.”

Forces of another kind, you mean the dielectric lines of force, removed from obscurity by the Faraday – Thompson concept of induction? Every electron is a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric lines of force, these lines contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus electron. The thermionic electron contracts, pulling the electron, the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the electron. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, both cases the electrons assume ray like motion, with non participating lines of force filling the voids, directing the electrons. Hence, it is the electrons travel in straight lines, that is, rays.

These facts have been known from the initial invention of the “Vacuum Tube” by Sir William Crookes, leading to the extensive experimental work into atomic science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla. It is here seen that the so-called electron is only a shadow, its apparent physical mass is only an electrical momentum. There is no rest mass to an electron. It is given here the electron is no more than a broken loose “hold fast” under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. "
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there is no easy answer that is not conspiratorial why einstein and the ptb of their day led science away from electrical engineering and aether
but they did
 Quoting: aether


An answer to this question is very important, because it is not only the science of the time which was led astray, but all thought was moved such that humanity is where it is now.
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Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

:balance3:
 Quoting: Seer777


Mass can certainly impart energy, but I don't think the two are one and the same.
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there is no easy answer that is not conspiratorial why einstein and the ptb of their day led science away from electrical engineering and aether
but they did
 Quoting: aether


An answer to this question is very important, because it is not only the science of the time which was led astray, but all thought was moved such that humanity is where it is now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21480037


Or was it the other way around. I wonder :)
 Quoting: GSF


i know the kabbalah archetype drove the thinking of those that drove einstein

a powerful archetype with influence, within other archetypes, whom collectively manifest as foundations of our religious and academic institutions in the west
 Quoting: aether 1187276

 Quoting: aether


is the reason thumbs

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Emotion causes the movement...


<---0--->

Left or right.

Up or down.

In or Out.

Swing high, swing low...


UpCdaisy...

singularity




tounge


Also, creation of imagery increases said 'Energy' enormously.
 Quoting: Seer777


there you go rockon
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Molinism,

Molinism, named after 16th Century Jesuit theologian Luis de Molina, is a religious doctrine which attempts to reconcile the providence of God with human free will. William Lane Craig and Alvin Plantinga are some of its best known advocates today, though other important Molinists include Alfred Freddoso and Thomas Flint. In basic terms, Molinists hold that in addition to knowing everything that does or will happen, God also knows what His creatures would freely choose if placed in any circumstance..............


........Molinism has also been used to describe the biblical canon being formed under God, while still being chosen by humans in the history of the Church. If God could survey the various possible worlds and see in which one the correct canon was chosen, then God would be able to actualize that particular world in which the correct canon is preserved. In this way God can provide the modern Church with the correct set of books. This is only necessary in a Protestant frame of mind, however, as Catholics see the Catholic Church as having God-given ability to determine the New Testament canon, which it did in the Synod of Rome, the Synod of Carthage, and reaffirmed at the Council of Trent. Even if the Protestant premise was true, however, different branches of Christianity have different canons; the Catholic Church has 72 books; Protestants, 66; Eastern Orthodox 72; and the Oriental Orthodox up to 100..
 Quoting: observation

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Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

balance3
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Mass can certainly impart energy, but I don't think the two are one and the same.
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I can only tell you what it feels like because I am not learned in the ways many of you here are.


The greater the amount energy, the heavier it CAN feel. So heavy in fact one loses complete sense of ones body.

Becoming just Mind.


Perhaps it has something to do with velocity as mentioned.

I don't know.

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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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lol, yes...if we desire any type of relationship outside pure information exchange. One of the strongest traits of the human condition...emotive responses.
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... the historical barrier between humankind and other/another intelligence...

....the information both base their emotions upon...
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That would be a good thing...different perception IS good...but not so different to the point it shuts down the ability to communicate with another (insert fear here) and understand someone else based on their inability to override the fear and understand another person...

Mind you I'm working through a belief right now...not necessarily one that I've had for a long time...so I appreciate your feedback...

You (not specifically you but people in general) really hear how stupid something sounds when you hear it through another persons perception? LOL...it's like that...

I understand nothing somedays...and other days I have it all figured out...or so I think. The last couple days has been one of those "working things out" times.
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arune the last few pages of your thread describes and explains how the information (belief(s)) within your consciousness have shape(s)

your consciousnesses shape dictates how you function (react)

when sending pulsed information (talking etc) to another the shapes (information) contained within your pulses effects the shape(s) (consciousness) of the receiver

the further away your pulses are from harmonic (in agreement) to the shape(s) of the receivers conscious the more virulent (emotional) their response(s)
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think of this between people (material) and their emotional exchanges (non material)

can we say that when there is emotional exchange between people the formation and feedback of the "result of that exchange occurs in the middle distance between them (in aether)

that means emotional exchanges between people effect their environment

the direction of either persons spin (mood/implosive/explosive) feeds back from the collective translation of both parties information by aether/field

everything we do is translated and fed back to us by aether/field

all at femto and above superluminal velocity


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Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

:balance3:
 Quoting: Seer777


Mass can certainly impart energy, but I don't think the two are one and the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21480037


I can only tell you what it feels like because I am not learned in the ways many of you here are.


The greater the amount energy, the heavier it CAN feel. So heavy in fact one loses complete sense of ones body.

Becoming just Mind.


Perhaps it has something to do with velocity as mentioned.

I don't know.

hf
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I understand what you mean and know the feeling you are talking about. I think velocity certainly has everything to do with it. I see it as the momentum of the electric field can impart some of its momentum to physical mass and vise versa. The electric field not being physical mass, but capable of possessing it's own momentum. Thus when you accellerate a charged particle it is also that the electric field accellerates and posses momentum giving the appearance of an increase in mass of the original charged particle because of the added momentum of the electric field.

hf
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Energy has mass based on my experiences.


The more there is, the heavier it can be...

To the point of paralysis due to the sensation of weight.


Depending on where ones Mind leads, one can then manifest an unpleasant experience or blissful flight.


Inside, you are Master of your own Temple.

But BELIEVING that, can be quite a journey.


And takes practice.

:balance3:
 Quoting: Seer777


Mass can certainly impart energy, but I don't think the two are one and the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21480037


I can only tell you what it feels like because I am not learned in the ways many of you here are.


The greater the amount energy, the heavier it CAN feel. So heavy in fact one loses complete sense of ones body.

Becoming just Mind.


Perhaps it has something to do with velocity as mentioned.

I don't know.

hf
 Quoting: Seer777


I understand what you mean and know the feeling you are talking about. I think velocity certainly has everything to do with it. I see it as the momentum of the electric field can impart some of its momentum to physical mass and vise versa. The electric field not being physical mass, but capable of possessing it's own momentum. Thus when you accelerate a charged particle it is also that the electric field accelerates and posses momentum giving the appearance of an increase in mass of the original charged particle because of the added momentum of the electric field.

hf
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Fixed the spelling errors. yeahsure
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that`s nice canada

themis just asked this question in the debate:

And if the aether is a dielectric and the only movement required to transfer energy over vast distances is a slight shift of axis to create polarization? Dielectrics transfer and store energy from polarization, not from particulate transfer or movement. The only way to explain why the force of gravity seems to act instantaneous. There is no particulate movement required, only a slight shift of axis to create polarization. Almost all forms of light and EM radiation we receive is polarized.
 Quoting: observation


I believe this paper is relevant,

Carlip, "Aberration and the Speed of Gravity," Phys. Lett. A267 (2000) 81–87
[link to arxiv.org]

As Carlip points out in discussions on this topic, we have consistency with theory that the speed of gravity operates at the speed of light. However this does not constitute a real measurement which remains completely impractical.

What do you mean that dielectrics store energy from polarization?
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seer is providing emotional description of immersion in non material dimension (s) that fits physical observation/measurement rockon
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flashback tounge

WOW

I would expect major revelations since he was almost ready to present his theory to the world, and firmly believed that relativity was a total blunder that misdirected from the true state of the universe. You have already seen what relativity has lead to, Black Holes, Neutron Stars, Dark Matter, Dark Energy and the avoidance of any description of electrical forces acting in the universe. Tesla never presented any theory without experimentation first, I therefore expect he had at the least diagrams for machines to test this theory. A theory that could only have one consequence, dispute relativity. If it did not dispute relativity he would not have believed it was rubbish. The proof that electrical forces rule the universe would change science as we know it, with perhaps even devices that would enable one to control those forces.
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This is a huge misrepresentation of Special Relativity. Avoidance of electrical forces? Au contraire, SR says that electrical forces are the very things which define distance and time. Special Relativity says that Electric forces are more important to us than any preconceived concept of absolute space, in fact shaping our entire view of what is reality. If you wish for proof that electrical forces rule the universe look up "meter" or "second" in the dictionary. You will see that these most fundamental of all physical concepts are defined with electric forces. Dark energy? Neutron stars? No, relativity is about clocks and meter sticks and careful use of coordinates to record observations.. taking into account that it is electromagnetic forces which hold our world and our brains together.
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wow
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for the second night in a week an owl is hooting in close proximity

unusual for the very center of a metropolis tounge
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for the second night in a week an owl is hooting in close proximity

unusual for the very center of a metropolis tounge
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Many times an ill omen of death.
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for the second night in a week an owl is hooting in close proximity

unusual for the very center of a metropolis tounge
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Many times an ill omen of death.
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