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HilosPP User ID: 40908929 United States 11/10/2013 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats sweet reminds me of one of the glyphs tantrics look at, mandula or something like that. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/10/2013 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have archaeologists found the tomb of the ‘god king’? King Antiochus 1, ruler of Commagene from 70 BC to 36BC, an ancient Armenian kingdom, was a most unusual king. He claimed descent from Greek conqueror Alexander the Great on his mother’s side, and from the Persian King Darius the Great on his father’s side, thus combining the west and the east. But what was particularly salient about this king was his unerring pride and his over-extended ego. Antiochus 1 claimed he had a special relationship with the gods referring to himself as Theos (divine or god), and instituted a royal cult in the Greek form of the religion Zoroastrianism with the clear intention of being worshipped as a god after his death. Quoting: observationKing Antiochus 1 practised astrology of a very esoteric kind, and laid the basis for a calendrical reform, by linking the Commagene year, which till then had been based on the movements of the Sun and Moon, to the Sothic-Anahit (Star of Sirius) and Hayk (Star of Orion) cycle used by the Egyptians as the basis of their calendar. This would suggest that Antiochus was knowledgeable about, if not fully initiated into Hermeticism. Antiochus commissioned the construction of a magnificent religious sanctuary on Mount Nemrut (Nemrud Dagi), a 2,100 metre high mountain where people could come and prey to him. Antiochus wanted his sanctuary to be in a high and holy place, close to the gods in order to be in rank with them, and high enough that the whole kingdom could see it and remember him. At the peak of the Mount, workers constructed great limestone statues of gods and a pyramid-like tomb where King Antiochus requested to be preserved for all eternity. An inscription refers to the summit as a sacred resting place where Antiochus, the ‘god king’ would be laid to rest and his soul would join those of other deities in the celestial realm. The gods he worshipped were a syncretism of Greek, Armenian, and Iranian gods, and the monumental effigies of the site show both Persian and Greek icnonographic influences.......................... [link to ancient-origins.net] |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/10/2013 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Archaeologists Discover Mysterious Elongated Skulls in France French archaeologists made a surprising discovery during an excavation in Alsace, France, when they uncovered a substantially elongated skull dating back 1,500 years. The finding prompted the archaeologists to extend their search over 7.5 acres, which resulted in the discovery of an abundance of artefacts, human and animal remains from Neolithic, Gallic, Gallo-Roman, and Merovingian societies. Quoting: observationThe skull appears to have been intentionally elongated through the practice known as cranial deformation, which is usually associated with ancient Mesoamerican cultures and was practiced extensively in Europe, Africa, Asia, and as noted, South America. Cranial deformation is achieved by distorting the normal growth of a child's skull by applying force through binding the head between pieces of wood or binding it in cloth. It is typically carried out on an infant, as the skull is most pliable at this time. The skull was discovered during excavation of a necropolis containing 18 burials. It was discovered in a tomb belonging to a woman who clearly held a high status position in society as she was buried with a rich assortment of treasures including gold pins, a silver mirror, beads of glass and amber, a comb made from deer antler and a number of other goods...................... [link to ancient-origins.net] |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/10/2013 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Megalithic cave in Kabardino-Balkaria Not so long ago in the mountains of Kabardino-Balkaria in the Baksan valley, was discovered a strange mine. For a short time enthusiasts from around the world came to study the object. It turned out that this is a huge cave, more than 70 meters in depth, the walls of which are made of perfectly processed megaliths! Photos and videos there are consistent and in 2012, because in this article I have tried to gather all possible at this point of reference. Quoting: observation[link to survincity.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49790479 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 03:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where is the fear in my question or statement? I am posing a recent and not so recent where this type of thinking was practiced. Quoting: Seer777 What one may assume of the 'times past' it is very much that. Myth. The reality I am sure, being far more dark. [link to www.youtube.com] So you are sure are you! See there you go, right there, that is fear seer, you are projecting your fear over here, keep it please, I do not want it, it is yours, if you want to look at things with dark tinted glasses you can, I like my rose coloured ones thank you very much. Enough is enough, you know what I talk of. I am going to bed, good night and much love. That is not fear. That is calmly discussing a difficult subject and offering an opposing view. I am aware of the myth/role of the 'sacred whore(s)'. Sleep well. I do not wish this to be some drawn out process, over our past several conversations, you have projected at me, take it for what it is. I tell you of something wonderful and fascinating that happened to me, and you attempt to invoke fear by telling me it is possession, several times, as if once was not enough, even though you know full well we have discussed this before, and I know the risks, then last night, you were doing more than offering an opposing view, act all sweet and innocent all you like, you were projecting your own fears in to that about the abuse of woman, woman are strong stronger than men, and once they guided men, in many ways, sexual release being one, you chose to ignore what we were discussing and bring up mass rape, that is YOUR projection, and it is fear based. I am not here for you to rub your fears off on me, we went through that some years back and it never turned out well then, and wont this time either, I love you very much, but will not except you projecting crap at me, I am at a turning point here, just like last time, and last time you directed me at davy with your fears, recall? It will not happen this time seerstar, I will progress and no others fears will hold me back, no matter the cost. I will not go in to this any further with you, if you have some fear based projection you wish to cast over here, it will be directed straight back at you, and you will not like it and think I am being mean, control yourself and I will too. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27543704 United States 11/11/2013 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Archaeologists Discover Mysterious Elongated Skulls in France Quoting: aether French archaeologists made a surprising discovery during an excavation in Alsace, France, when they uncovered a substantially elongated skull dating back 1,500 years. The finding prompted the archaeologists to extend their search over 7.5 acres, which resulted in the discovery of an abundance of artefacts, human and animal remains from Neolithic, Gallic, Gallo-Roman, and Merovingian societies. Quoting: observationThe skull appears to have been intentionally elongated through the practice known as cranial deformation, which is usually associated with ancient Mesoamerican cultures and was practiced extensively in Europe, Africa, Asia, and as noted, South America. Cranial deformation is achieved by distorting the normal growth of a child's skull by applying force through binding the head between pieces of wood or binding it in cloth. It is typically carried out on an infant, as the skull is most pliable at this time. The skull was discovered during excavation of a necropolis containing 18 burials. It was discovered in a tomb belonging to a woman who clearly held a high status position in society as she was buried with a rich assortment of treasures including gold pins, a silver mirror, beads of glass and amber, a comb made from deer antler and a number of other goods...................... [link to ancient-origins.net] The belongings totally reminded me of this Out of context of what you guys are talking about, but I think I figured out the gobi desert thing that kept popping up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27543704 Aether, you posted this back in 2010 (got it from your Helios awakens post, lol) feed back Quoting: aether 1187276 In 2008, Russian archeologists working at the site of Denisova Cave in the Altai Mountains of Siberia uncovered...... In 1993, Natalia Polosmak, a Russian archaeologist unearthed the tomb of the “Siberian Ice Maiden.” Because the Ice Maiden was so obviously a woman of high status, given a very prestigious burial, Polosmak identified her as one of the “Amazon Women” mummies. The Siberian Ice Maiden was found high in the Altai Mountains of Siberia in a sacred burial ground called the “pastures of heaven.” She lived around 500 BCE. Quoting: History[link to www.ritualgoddess.com] This was an interesting documentary. Too bad they didn't reconfigure the tattoos. The weird synch was cheese, lol. I had a strange dream about cheese and then in the video they said they stored the mummy in a place where cheese was kept. |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning Fancy, everyone. I thought this was interesting. Just wanted to share. [link to www.youtube.com] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27543704 United States 11/11/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting video. I saw this yesterday Like me, you too most probably just memorized those geometric formulae without knowing how it really was derived. Quoting: abhie So if you were told that: (a+b)²=a²+2ab+b² , you just mugged it up , and came out of college without REALLY knowing what it meant. Now its time to de-mystify that in a simple and fun way. Let Bawa show you how: (a+b)²=a²+2ab+b² demysitfied [link to www.youtube.com] |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Four Skinny Trees ~Sandra Cisneros The House on Mango Street They are the only ones who understand me. I am the only one who understands them. Four skinny trees with skinny necks and pointy elbows like mine. Four who do not belong here but are here. Four raggedy excuses planted by the city. From our room we can hear them, but Nenny just sleeps and doesn't appreciate these things. Their strength is secret. They send ferocious roots beneath the ground. They grow up and they grow down and grab the Earth between their hairy toes and bite the sky with violent teeth and never quit their anger. This is how they keep. Let one forget his reason for being, they'd all droop like tulips in a glass, each with their arms around the other. Keep, keep, keep trees say when I sleep. They teach. When I am too sad and too skinny to keep keeping, when I am a tiny thing against so many bricks, then it is I look at trees. When there is nothing left to look at on this street. Four who grew despite concrete. Four who reach and do not forget to reach. Four whose only reason is to be and be. Last Edited by Seer777 on 11/11/2013 10:20 AM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning. Quoting: Fancypantz Interesting video. I saw this yesterday Like me, you too most probably just memorized those geometric formulae without knowing how it really was derived. Quoting: abhie So if you were told that: (a+b)²=a²+2ab+b² , you just mugged it up , and came out of college without REALLY knowing what it meant. Now its time to de-mystify that in a simple and fun way. Let Bawa show you how: (a+b)²=a²+2ab+b² demysitfied [link to www.youtube.com] Nice. Just stumbled on this. [link to www.youtube.com] :) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Certainly looks like a finger to me. And the X-ray is pretty impressive as well. 35cm=13.77in The Relic of Bir Hooker Proof of a Race of Giants? He suddenly realized he was holding a gigantic mummified finger. It was not an ordinary finger as it measured at least 35 centimeters long and was about 6 centimeters thick. Spörri observed the finger in detail and was able to determine that what he was holding was old, organic and humanoid. Spörri was dumbfounded as the abnormal size of the finger would have meant that its owner must have reached at least 5 or 6 meters in height. The farmer's son had some research done through a friend in the hospital of Cairo. When Spörri compared the finger to the x-ray he could see that the proportions and shape were correct and that the x-ray was of the finger he was holding. [link to ancient-origins.net] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The sun determines what is north and south. It influences it as well. It is not only our guide, but our creator of the Now moment. Quoting: Spin Nips In other words, we are beholden to it. It may not be our Creator, but it IS our Sustainer. I like this. i do to , our sun is our local "synergy regulator" 07/05/2012 09:20 AM so what do we now know Quoting: aether was telling a friend about the 8 story Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19153850 they said 8 means death? and so does snow? I dunno.............. we know when you die knowing the magnetic reconnection of earth sun process every 8 mins allows you to navigate the reconnecting magnetic field lines and "escape" earths field of gravity ............ ........into the domain of our nearest plasmoid (star) once within the plasmoids domain you are free to utilize the birkland currents and their magnetic field lines to navigate to each and any other plasmoid (star) upon arrival within the domain of another plasmoid (star) the magnetic reconnection process enables you to feel the emotional conductivity of the plasmoids (stars) orbiting planets if a planet, via magnetic reconnection, feel good to you and you feel good to it , you both may decide that you will rebirth upon it if that is the mutual desire, you utilize the magnetic reconnection process to arrive upon the planet to become the result of an emotional desire (union) of two of the inhabitants you are their baby |
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aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning Fancy, everyone. Quoting: Seer777 I thought this was interesting. Just wanted to share. [link to www.youtube.com] good morning, pi and morning = to me for me pi is a non material tesengrity sensation thus our non material dimensions "know" by feel when matter within our material dimension is the right synergy/tensegrity/feel thus the "right" shape it is torsion everything material is torqued to the same (universal) torque (feel) thus all is of the same texture/feel within the domain (material dimension) |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Certainly looks like a finger to me. And the X-ray is pretty impressive as well. Quoting: Seer777 35cm=13.77in The Relic of Bir Hooker Proof of a Race of Giants? He suddenly realized he was holding a gigantic mummified finger. It was not an ordinary finger as it measured at least 35 centimeters long and was about 6 centimeters thick. Spörri observed the finger in detail and was able to determine that what he was holding was old, organic and humanoid. Spörri was dumbfounded as the abnormal size of the finger would have meant that its owner must have reached at least 5 or 6 meters in height. The farmer's son had some research done through a friend in the hospital of Cairo. When Spörri compared the finger to the x-ray he could see that the proportions and shape were correct and that the x-ray was of the finger he was holding. [link to ancient-origins.net] oh my goodness, it is a finger to me |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oxygen on Rhea Nov 11, 2013 Where did the extremely rarified atmosphere on Rhea come from? Quoting: observationRelative to Saturn, Rhea is most likely negatively charged. Saturn’s powerful opposite charge is probably initiating an electric discharge, causing the water in Rhea’s icy surface to dissociate, so the presence of oxygen around the moon is not unexpected. Along with the water ice, the presence of frozen carbon dioxide most likely contributes to its atmosphere for the same reason. There is no need to conjure implausible inertial dynamics (“tides” or “gravitational kneading”) to account for these remarkable events. By that same token, the possible ring formation around Rhea is the remains of the pulverized rock and ice that billions of watts of electricity created when they catastrophically passed through the moon’s conductive strata. Contemporary electrical interactions between celestial bodies are nothing like what must have taken place in the past. Rhea’s surface is fractured and carved in ways that point to surges of energy that were great enough to nearly destroy the moon. There appear to have been explosions big enough to rock the planetoid, but there are no boulders or blocks of stone that would be expected as a result. Electric Universe proponent, Jim Johnson argues that Rhea’s attenuated atmosphere could be due to the effects of electrical bombardment from Saturn, similar to what is happening on Enceladus: “If the surface is nearly all water ice, then the presence of oxygen is fairly easy to figure out, given the electromagnetic environment and charge differential with respect to Saturn. Another [factor], is that not only complex organic molecules (which have not been directly observed or identified), but possibly mineral deposits containing carbonates (CO3 anions) [are present]............ [link to www.thunderbolts.info] |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus is the only way don't be deceived. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40845803 LOS ANGELES (AP) — It looked like a typical Sunday morning at any mega-church. Several hundred people, including families with small children, packed in for more than an hour of rousing music, an inspirational talk and some quiet reflection. The only thing missing was God. Nearly three dozen gatherings dubbed "atheist mega-churches" by supporters and detractors have sprung up around the U.S. and Australia — with more to come — after finding success in Great Britain earlier this year. The movement fueled by social media and spearheaded by two prominent British comedians is no joke. [link to news.yahoo.com] Thread: Breaking Sign of the End Times: Atheist 'mega-churches' take root across US, world |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning Fancy, everyone. Quoting: Seer777 I thought this was interesting. Just wanted to share. [link to www.youtube.com] good morning, pi and morning = to me for me pi is a non material tesengrity sensation thus our non material dimensions "know" by feel when matter within our material dimension is the right synergy/tensegrity/feel thus the "right" shape it is torsion everything material is torqued to the same (universal) torque (feel) thus all is of the same texture/feel within the domain (material dimension) There in no bad time for pi...pie is delicious. Are you thinking of Phi? Also, isn't it afternoon there? Pi=3.14... Phi=1.618 Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
aether (OP) User ID: 49170728 United Kingdom 11/11/2013 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning Fancy, everyone. Quoting: Seer777 I thought this was interesting. Just wanted to share. [link to www.youtube.com] good morning, pi and morning = to me for me pi is a non material tesengrity sensation thus our non material dimensions "know" by feel when matter within our material dimension is the right synergy/tensegrity/feel thus the "right" shape it is torsion everything material is torqued to the same (universal) torque (feel) thus all is of the same texture/feel within the domain (material dimension) There in no bad time for pi...pie is delicious. Are you thinking of Phi? Also, isn't it afternoon there? Pi=3.14... Phi=1.618 well my morning begins when i open glp , that is morning to me pi/phi is feeling/sensation, to me and it feels lovely 24/7 i agree what can fuck it up for me is people and number applying their fantasy, i like simplicity it always feels good because it is caused to feel so and the cause is no mystery to me Last Edited by aether on 11/11/2013 12:27 PM |
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Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There in no bad time for pi...pie is delicious. Are you thinking of Phi? Quoting: Seer777 Also, isn't it afternoon there? Pi=3.14... Phi=1.618 well my morning begins when i open glp , that is morning to me pi/phi is feeling/sensation, to me and it feels lovely 24/7 i agree what can fuck it up for me is people and number applying their fantasy, i like simplicity it always feels good because it is caused to feel so I grew up on The Simpsons. To my sense, it was/is the most clever of all TV shows, of all time. I hear you. My morning started around 4:30am this morning. I had very interesting dreams regarding the 5 pointed star,a sphere within 2 rings, and numbers. Just following the lead. :) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27543704 United States 11/11/2013 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Four Skinny Trees Quoting: Seer777 ~Sandra Cisneros The House on Mango Street They are the only ones who understand me. I am the only one who understands them. Four skinny trees with skinny necks and pointy elbows like mine. Four who do not belong here but are here. Four raggedy excuses planted by the city. From our room we can hear them, but Nenny just sleeps and doesn't appreciate these things. Their strength is secret. They send ferocious roots beneath the ground. They grow up and they grow down and grab the Earth between their hairy toes and bite the sky with violent teeth and never quit their anger. This is how they keep. Let one forget his reason for being, they'd all droop like tulips in a glass, each with their arms around the other. Keep, keep, keep trees say when I sleep. They teach. When I am too sad and too skinny to keep keeping, when I am a tiny thing against so many bricks, then it is I look at trees. When there is nothing left to look at on this street. Four who grew despite concrete. Four who reach and do not forget to reach. Four whose only reason is to be and be. :Trinity: This reminds me of hearing about the jungles of Cambodia. How the vegetation and trees over took ancient cities. Found this link on it. My guess is strength is the power of will. [link to politicalblindspot.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27543704 United States 11/11/2013 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have those hats which looks like the ones associated with elongated skulls people [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I grew up on The Simpsons. To my sense, it was/is the most clever of all TV shows, of all time. Quoting: Seer777 I hear you. My morning started around 4:30am this morning. I had very interesting dreams regarding the 5 pointed star,a sphere within 2 rings, and numbers. Just following the lead. :) [link to tattooscoop.com] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/11/2013 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Four Skinny Trees Quoting: Seer777 ~Sandra Cisneros The House on Mango Street They are the only ones who understand me. I am the only one who understands them. Four skinny trees with skinny necks and pointy elbows like mine. Four who do not belong here but are here. Four raggedy excuses planted by the city. From our room we can hear them, but Nenny just sleeps and doesn't appreciate these things. Their strength is secret. They send ferocious roots beneath the ground. They grow up and they grow down and grab the Earth between their hairy toes and bite the sky with violent teeth and never quit their anger. This is how they keep. Let one forget his reason for being, they'd all droop like tulips in a glass, each with their arms around the other. Keep, keep, keep trees say when I sleep. They teach. When I am too sad and too skinny to keep keeping, when I am a tiny thing against so many bricks, then it is I look at trees. When there is nothing left to look at on this street. Four who grew despite concrete. Four who reach and do not forget to reach. Four whose only reason is to be and be. This reminds me of hearing about the jungles of Cambodia. How the vegetation and trees over took ancient cities. Found this link on it. My guess is strength is the power of will. [link to politicalblindspot.com] Have you heard of the Baobab trees? The Baobab Tree is known as the tree of life, with good reason. It can provide shelter, clothing, food, and water for the animal and human inhabitants of the African savannah regions. The cork-like bark and huge stem are fire resistant and are used for making cloth and rope. The leaves are used as condiments and medicines. The fruit, called "monkey bread", is edible, and full of Vitamin C. The trees are long-lived and is said to have been carbon dated at over 6,000 years old [link to simple.wikipedia.org] Last Edited by Seer777 on 11/11/2013 12:58 PM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27543704 United States 11/11/2013 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you heard of the Baobab trees? Quoting: Seer777 The Baobab Tree is known as the tree of life, with good reason. It can provide shelter, clothing, food, and water for the animal and human inhabitants of the African savannah regions. The cork-like bark and huge stem are fire resistant and are used for making cloth and rope. The leaves are used as condiments and medicines. The fruit, called "monkey bread", is edible, and full of Vitamin C. The trees are long-lived and is said to have been carbon dated at over 6,000 years old [link to simple.wikipedia.org] :Baobab trees: I think I've seen you post on it before. That is awesome! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27543704 United States 11/11/2013 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well my morning begins when i open glp , that is morning to me Quoting: aether pi/phi is feeling/sensation, to me and it feels lovely 24/7 i agree what can fuck it up for me is people and number applying their fantasy, i like simplicity it always feels good because it is caused to feel so and the cause is no mystery to me I understand that, lol So how does a person put beliefs and fantasy aside or remove them? |