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remembering hebews were originally deists of the invisible god within all things it is likely that moses/akhanatem was a god is flesh planet god believer as the tradition within the location of mesopotamian
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but the question is
was moses/akanatem a planet god believer or an invisible god within all things believer

clever swinger
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Note...esoteric egyptologists believe thoth appeared in the form of an egyptian pharaoh named akhenaton who ruled egypt 1347 bc...same time as moses....
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maybe the question is why did we need tools
our recent investigations via the u.n. shows a mystery
modern man appears out of nowhere about 30,000 to 50,000 yrs. ago using tools
and our social behavior has remained the same but the tools we utilize have progressively altered
this tool evolution has caused us to be doing the same social things in ever greater numbers and over ever increasing locational area
the only 3 choices this evidence provides is

modern man was created here from scratch, and recently.

modern man was brought here from somewhere else in the cosmos.

modern man was genetically re-engineered from one of the hominids, most likely the Neanderthal

now if you take number one choice and add to it what we know know about our environments ability to transmute/transform life quickly when the right electrical ingredients prevail, we may see that what we once were is possible unlike what we now are

this is where the focus of investigation is going combined with experimentation on it`s reality as a possibility and so far it fits
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What are you trying to say SS......We shouldn't be eating meat. That that was the beginning of our fall????
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It was an effect of the fall.

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Evidence for stone-tool-assisted consumption of animal tissues before 3.39 million years ago at Dikika, Ethiopia
[link to www.nature.com]

we have been clever for a long time but what were we?

Gunnar Heinsohn is best/brightest category in European academia and a frequent speaker at NATO gatherings since his population youth bulge theories predict political unrest with near 100% accuracy; he's also a major player in the ongoing efforts to reconstruct Med-basin chronologies. His "Wie Alt ist das Menschengeschlect" describes the problem with the dating schemes typically associated with Neanderthal studies:
 Quoting: observation


Mueller-Karpe, the first name in continental paleoanthropology, wrote thirty years ago on the two strata of homo erectus at Swanscombe/England: "A difference between the tools in the upper and in the lower stratum is not recognizable. (From a geological point of view it is uncertain if between the two strata there passed decades, centuries or millennia.)" (Handbuch der Vorgeschichte, Vol I, Munich 1966, p. 293).

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The outstanding scholar never returned to this hint that in reality there may have passed ten years where the textbooks enlist one thousand years. Yet, I tried to follow this thread. I went to the stratigraphies of the Old Stone Age which usually look as follows

modern man (homo sapiens sapiens)

Neanderthal man (homo sapiens neanderthalensis)

Homo erectus (invents fire and is considered the first intelligent man).

In my book "Wie alt ist das Menschengeschlecht?" [How Ancient is Man?], 1996, 2nd edition, I focused for Neanderthal man on his best preserved stratigraphy: Combe Grenal in France. Within 4 m of debris it exhibited 55 strata dated conventionally between -90,000 and -30,000. Roughly one millennium was thus assigned to some 7 cm of debris per stratum. Close scrutiny had revealed that most strata were only used in the summer. Thus, ca. one thousand summers were assigned to each stratum. If, however, the site lay idle in winter and spring one would have expected substratification. Ideally, one would look for one thousand substrata for the one thousand summers. Yet, not even two substrata were discovered in any of the strata. They themselves were the substrata in the 4 m stratigraphy. They, thus, were not good for 60,000 but only for 55 years.

I tested this assumption with the tool count. According to the Binfords' research--done on North American Indians--each tribal adult has at least five tool kits with some eight tools in each of them. At every time 800 tools existed in a band of 20 adults. Assuming that each tool lasted an entire generation (15 female years), Combe Grenals 4,000 generations in 60,000 years should have produced some 3.2 million tools. By going closer to the actual life time of flint tools tens of millions of tools would have to be expected for Combe Grenal. Ony 19,000 (nineteen thousand) remains of tools, however, were found by the excavators.

There seems to be no way out but to cut down the age of Neanderthal man at Combe Grenal from some 60,000 to some 60 years.

I applied the stratigraphical approach to the best caves in Europe for the entire time from Erectus to the Iron Age and reached at the following tentative chronology for intelligent man:

-600 onwards Iron Age
-900 onwards Bronze Age
-1400 beginning of modern man (homo sapiens sapiens)
-1500 beginning of Neanderthal man
between -2000 and -1600 beginning of Erectus.

Since Erectus only left the two poor strata like at Swanscombe or El-Castillo/Spain, he should actually not have lasted longer than Neanderthal-may be one average life expectancy. I will now not go into the mechanism of mutation. All I want to remind you of is the undisputed sequence of interstratification and monostratification in the master stratigraphies. This allows for one solution only: Parents of the former developmental stage of man lived together with their own offspring in the same cave stratum until they died out. They were not massacred as textbooks have it:

monostrat.: only modern man's tools

interstrat.: Neanderthal man's and modern man's tools side by side

monostrat.: only Neanderthal man's tools

interstrat.: Neanderthal man's and Erectus' tools side by side

monotstrat.: only Erectus tools (deepest stratum for intelligent man)

The year figures certainly sound bewildering. Yet, so far nobody came up with any stratigraphy justifiably demanding more time than I tentatively assigned to the age of intelligent man. I always remind my critiques that one millennium is an enormous time span--more than from William the Conqueror to today's Anglo-World. To add a millenium to human history should always go together with sufficient material remains to show for it. I will not even mention the easiness with which scholars add a million years to the history of man until they made Lucy 4 million years old. The time-span-madness is the last residue of Darwinism.
 Quoting: observation


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Heinsohn is not putting an exact age on the Neanderthal die-out; what he IS stating is that there is no legitimate interpretation of existing evidence which would indicate that they died out any more than four or five thousand years ago and that is basically consistent with the thing about raw dinosaur meat.

That of course is nowhere remotely close to the time frames which any sort of an evolutionary scheme of modern man from hominids would require. We are left with three basic choices:

Modern man was created here from scratch, and recently.

Modern man was brought here from somewhere else in the cosmos.

Modern man was genetically re-engineered from one of the hominids, most likely the Neanderthal.

Those are your three basic choices and none of them involve evolution. Moreover the second and third choices merely amount to kicking the can a block or two down the road as far as how anything like modern man ever came into existence anywhere in the universe at all since the the same mathematical and probabilistic laws which prevent macroevolution on this planet would hold true anywhere else. The 17B years which supposedly intervene since the "Big Bang(TM)" wouldn't be enough for modern man to evolve in the universe even if that were possible which it isn't, and even if the Big Bang idea itself weren't just another bunch of BS like evolution, which it is.

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that 30 to 50,000 years for modern man to arrive may shrink a lot tounge
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21st century authority is admitting that all previous public statements on our ancestery is now proven to be incorrect but they are not in a position to give a valid alternative at this moment

Nonetheless when you arrive at a point somewhere back 6000 - 30000 years ago on our own planet the situation is significantly different from that i.e. what you appear to have at that point is the engineering and re-engineering of complex life forms being a sort of a cottage industry with numerous hands involved.

what authority will tell us is that there is agreement the kogi and others of similar nature are correct

"intelligence has to arise FIRST and create biology"

they tell us modern man (us) formed from an intelligence purpose no matter the geographical location within our universe we formed within

we are told that our environment was always stable before the period 6000 yrs to 30000 yrs ago when, within that period, lots of things must have occurred to account for the varied evidence of diversity but, they do not have an explanation ready to account for this

authority tells us that modern man (us) knew upon our formation, whenever that was, what we wanted to do

every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age

we have a purpose to express

we are unofficialy told that......

The underlying premise of The Graphics of Bilzingsleben is that there has been no change whatsoever in human cognitive ability for at least 400,000 years. This statement is quite easily extended back at least 1.4 to 1.8 million years, and, in fact, to whatever point in time we choose to assign the first appearance of the genus Homo. The Graphics of Bilzingsleben fully counters any popular science claims such as the "Flynn Effect," etc., that human intelligence as relates to the genus as a whole has ever increased gradually over time.
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....there is evidence that modern mans (us) cognitive ability has been expressed on earth for a very long time
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Akhenaton...also called heretic king because of monotheistic mystery religion...concerning light from a hidden central sun he called aton (description could fit tula) anyway...aton root for adon or lord...
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yes spirit, it feels we are on a good trail rockon
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Spark of life (light, spirit) floats around in the galactic sea...
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World's biggest ever blackout as India is brought to a standstill

The world's biggest ever blackout brought half of India to a standstill, as a catastrophic power outage left 670 million people without electricity.
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in recent years it has been admitted that our dating systems of historical artifacts are not fail proof at all
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we do the dating within a structure that has promoted darwinism , a recent theory that demands millions of years to have a chance of being correct

changing the nature of our universe from gravity to plasma/electromagnetic dramatically alters the playing field of dating not least of all because it provides electromagnetic forces and effects to be a legitimate part of investigations
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When it comes to dating planetary surfaces, plasmoids cause characteristic electrical arc scarring in the form of sinuous channels and neatly circular craters with steep walls and occasional central peaks. Such craters are universally misinterpreted as impact craters.

Planetary geologists are not trained to recognize electric arc scarring otherwise they would have seen at a glance the characteristic cathodic surface erosion and cathode jets on Io. They are definitely not volcanos as we know them from geology textbooks.
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I would very much like to have a look at any new chronology of the development of humans and eagerly await any such chronology to be available. There seems to be a lot of good ideas in these discussions and if it could all be put together in a seemless form, well that would be fantastic.


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2013 is the year outline publications are anticipated bowman and we will be able to work through much of it before release

like beta testers tounge



Beta testing is the last stage of testing, and normally can involve sending the product to beta test sites outside the company for real-world exposure.
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2013 is the year outline publications are anticipated bowman and we will be able to work through much of it before release

like beta testers tounge



Beta testing is the last stage of testing, and normally can involve sending the product to beta test sites outside the company for real-world exposure.
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rockon
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Kabbalah (The Zohar) teaches that the soul will return in human form six times (or less) depending on the knowledge, experience, and love that has been accumulated during each lifetime.

There is little information about the journey of the soul after death, however the Bible speaks of "Sheol" (a resting place) and the Kabbalists speak of an elusive Heaven (the Light of Chochmah/Wisdom)as well as some sort of Hell (Gehenna). However, when putting aside all the superstitions - there are thousands of individuals who've had a near-death experience - and they've reported similar phenomenon before "returning" to life. Others believe that we create our own afterlife according to our social, cultural, and religious beliefs and expectations.

In many of the mystical traditions, you'll find similar descriptions of the after-life that were influenced by "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" and "The The Tibetan Book of the Dead". It appears that the 13th century Kabbalists were also influenced by other cultures and religions. The Kabbalists certainly didn't derive their after-life teachings from traditional Judaism (which places its emphasis on "the here and now")

[link to en.allexperts.com]
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well that is strange talking about beta testing
who was it whom did this by returning 6 times to tell it is true?

oh

it says or less

well who was it whom knows by experience?

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i do remember spirit
that thread, like your topics today, lead to information arising that complements the ambition of experiencing our abilities as experienced within our golden age

so it seems
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OK, here is a flash I had a while ago, but never brought up, for whatever its worth. Have NO idea how accurate it would be.

In the last Golden Age humans did not eat any meat. Something to do with Moses (I think). Didn't his followers or something not have anything to eat for a while? Then, he went up the mountain.

What did he say before he left? Something about a calf, or bull or something? Do not sacrifice it? But, what he meant was do not eat it. They did. They killed and ate the animal, first time since the Golden Age started. This vastly accelerated the fall.
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hey swinger, that rings a bell
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It was Manna that they ate when starving. A sugary byproduct of insect secretions, although that idea comes with a certain amount of contention.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Bull was the Idol they created while Moses was on the mount higher than a mofo on shrooms. It was renounced and cast aside. Yes, likely an Egyptian metaphor.

Was it akhenaten or thutmose?

The golden age, by some sources is dated as far back as 15000 BCE and not necessarily with the diluvial period oft quoted in and about 3113 BCE. It begs the question of whether the upheavals were 7 or 10 millenia of earth changes which culled the human herd.
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well done dion
you got it feeling right
manna

it must be about manna

i imagine

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Until they reached Canaan, the Israelites are implied by some passages in the Bible to have eaten only manna during their desert sojourn, despite the availability of milk and meat from the livestock with which they traveled, and the references to provisions of fine flour, oil, and meat, in parts of the journey's narrative.

As a natural food substance, manna would produce waste products; but in classical rabbinical literature, as a supernatural substance, it was held that manna produced no waste, resulting in no defecation among the Israelites until several decades later, when the manna had ceased to fall
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whoa
that`s like a stand alone story
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i do remember spirit
that thread, like your topics today, lead to information arising that complements the ambition of experiencing our abilities as experienced within our golden age

so it seems
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OK, here is a flash I had a while ago, but never brought up, for whatever its worth. Have NO idea how accurate it would be.

In the last Golden Age humans did not eat any meat. Something to do with Moses (I think). Didn't his followers or something not have anything to eat for a while? Then, he went up the mountain.

What did he say before he left? Something about a calf, or bull or something? Do not sacrifice it? But, what he meant was do not eat it. They did. They killed and ate the animal, first time since the Golden Age started. This vastly accelerated the fall.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


hey swinger, that rings a bell
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It was Manna that they ate when starving. A sugary byproduct of insect secretions, although that idea comes with a certain amount of contention.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Bull was the Idol they created while Moses was on the mount higher than a mofo on shrooms. It was renounced and cast aside. Yes, likely an Egyptian metaphor.

Was it akhenaten or thutmose?

The golden age, by some sources is dated as far back as 15000 BCE and not necessarily with the diluvial period oft quoted in and about 3113 BCE. It begs the question of whether the upheavals were 7 or 10 millenia of earth changes which culled the human herd.
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headbang

That little thought has been stuck in my head for about a year and a half.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Ein Sof

Ein Sof (or Ayn Sof)
in Kabbalah, is understood as God prior to His self-manifestation in the production of any spiritual Realm, probably derived from Ibn Gabirol's term, "the Endless One" (she-en lo tiklah). Ein Sof may be translated as "no end", "unending", "there is no end", or infinite.

Ein Sof is the divine origin of all created existence, in contrast to the Ein (or Ayn), which is infinite no-thingness.

It was first used by Azriel ben Menahem, who, sharing the Neoplatonic view that God can have no desire, thought, word, or action, emphasized by it the negation of any attribute. Of the Ein Sof, nothing ("Ein") can be grasped

("Sof"-limitation). It is the origin of the Ohr Ein Sof, the "Infinite Light" of paradoxical divine self-knowledge, nullified within the Ein Sof prior to Creation.
 Quoting: observation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

does that make sense?

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Azriel (Jewish mystic)

Azriel of Gerona,
(c. 1160 – c. 1238) was one of the most important kabbalists in the Catalan town of Girona (north of Barcelona) during the thirteenth century when it was an important center of Kabbalah. He is the teacher of the most important figure from the kabbalist community of Girona, Nahmanides
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The One

The primeval Source of Being is the One and the Infinite, as opposed to the many and the finite. It is the source of all life, and therefore absolute causality and the only real existence. However, the important feature of it is that it is beyond all Being, although the source of it. Therefore, it cannot be known through reasoning or understanding, since only what is part of Being can be thus known according to Plato. Being beyond existence, it is the most real reality, source of less real things
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"However, the important feature of it is that it is beyond all Being, although the source of it."


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Ein Sof

Ein Sof (or Ayn Sof)
in Kabbalah, is understood as God prior to His self-manifestation in the production of any spiritual Realm, probably derived from Ibn Gabirol's term, "the Endless One" (she-en lo tiklah). Ein Sof may be translated as "no end", "unending", "there is no end", or infinite.

Ein Sof is the divine origin of all created existence, in contrast to the Ein (or Ayn), which is infinite no-thingness.

It was first used by Azriel ben Menahem, who, sharing the Neoplatonic view that God can have no desire, thought, word, or action, emphasized by it the negation of any attribute. Of the Ein Sof, nothing ("Ein") can be grasped

("Sof"-limitation). It is the origin of the Ohr Ein Sof, the "Infinite Light" of paradoxical divine self-knowledge, nullified within the Ein Sof prior to Creation.
 Quoting: observation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

does that make sense?
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In my minds eye, it interplays with the Idea of plasmic veil. Both in terms of internal generation from void (ideas, imagination). I call them the vapors of potential (think hot and excitedly, rapidly moving). Related to the ejecta of Stars and burning bodies.

On the other side is the cooled and intermingled reality of compounded ghosts of potential made dense.

The words Diaphonous and Diaphony are easily associated. Something both intricate and unknowable, yet complexedly
dispersed and woven into all physiological subroutines.
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Sound is not sheerly the vibration which begins it, but the interpretation of the medium through which it travels.
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thanks dion
i`m falling into some music for a moment or two following my "shock" of the one description by our good and great of yester year
i have never read that before tounge



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well done dion
you got it feeling right
manna

it must be about manna

i imagine
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I have heard it theorized that 'Manna' was in fact, spirulina..a super-food which is full of protein, amino acids, and vitamins.


A Microalgae

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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well done dion
you got it feeling right
manna

it must be about manna

i imagine
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I have heard it theorized that 'Manna' was in fact, spirulina..a super-food which is full of protein, amino acids, and vitamins.


A Microalgae

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

hf
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Here it is...


The Manna Machine

Is an ancient astronaut book by George Sassoon and Rodney Dale which concludes that a machine device was given to the Israelites, when they went on their 40 year journey in the Sinai Desert.

The device was said to create manna, which is thought today to actually be a type of algae.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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