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not so, once againn it was a fixture in judaism at the time of Christ. most christians think its the work of heretics or the devil himself.
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no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


well said dreamily and we know it is a topic you know well
 Quoting: aether


no disrespect, but when it comes to you, I just don't know when your cynical or serious.

anyway I guess I was drawn inorder to reply to that, and now I'd leave you gaianes alone (thought I disagree greatly with much of what is being said here but it would be futile to fight against it)
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oh dear
dreamily
read what i say literally because i only write literally
i believe you more than most people due to location and ancestry will know the topic of the dead sea scrolls
that simple
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to believe the book of enoch you have to be a fundamentalist
of the christian faith
it is what christians term book of enoch believers
the term is very conservative
what do you do with fundamentalist anything
in 21 st century
let the military worry about them and move on to people whom are not fundamental
is convenient
 Quoting: aether


not so, once againn it was a fixture in judaism at the time of Christ. most christians think its the work of heretics or the devil himself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49892184


no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


Which christian version,the kjv?
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The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1–4 NAS, immediately before the story of Noah's ark:

“ Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ”

The second is Numbers 13:32–33 NAS, where the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

“ So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we had gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight
 Quoting: bible

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well the nephilim do not take up a lot of text in the bible
and i do not see much ambiguity in what the bible says on the topic
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so with that in mind /z\ how and why has the topic nephilim become entangled with fallen somethings etc if the bible
the law for all christian believers states clearly and concisely what nephilim are

how has that occurred and who or what caused people whom say the live by their holy book to suggested something their holy book clearly does not say
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no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


well said dreamily and we know it is a topic you know well
 Quoting: aether


no disrespect, but when it comes to you, I just don't know when your cynical or serious.

anyway I guess I was drawn inorder to reply to that, and now I'd leave you gaianes alone (thought I disagree greatly with much of what is being said here but it would be futile to fight against it)
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


hi

he was being serious dude, did you ask your Rabbi what we spoke of?
 Quoting: orbs 1088558


no, I already know what he would say, which I just have to continue my studies and reach it when I reach it, no shortcuts.

also I asked him regarding my kundalini and he gave me a very short answer, which lead me to this.

ive had spontaneous kundalini... which i fear may have harmed me, i do believe it is demonic, untill proven otherwise.

anyway, ive talked to my rabbi about it, so he told me to do "shma yisrael" prayer.

few days later ive felt energies running across my body again, so i did the "shmah" call

ive felt the energy going down with each word, it started from the pineal gland and went all the way down to my rectum.

i still feel connected. but i believe i may have reversed kundalini.

anyway, the way across the tree of life is downwards. upwards like kundalini is demonic.

anyway ive told my rabbi about what had happened, he smiled and asked if it went down to YESOD. im not an expert so said i dont know.
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Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI
please ignore my obvious ignorance... this post was made a very long time ago.
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to believe the book of enoch you have to be a fundamentalist
of the christian faith
it is what christians term book of enoch believers
the term is very conservative
what do you do with fundamentalist anything
in 21 st century
let the military worry about them and move on to people whom are not fundamental
is convenient
 Quoting: aether


not so, once againn it was a fixture in judaism at the time of Christ. most christians think its the work of heretics or the devil himself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49892184


no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


Which christian version,the kjv?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
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my rabbi teaches me by hints... which he doesn't think I would pick up on, but most of them I do pick up on.
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The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1–4 NAS, immediately before the story of Noah's ark:

“ Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ”

The second is Numbers 13:32–33 NAS, where the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

“ So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we had gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight
 Quoting: bible

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well the nephilim do not take up a lot of text in the bible
and i do not see much ambiguity in what the bible says on the topic
 Quoting: aether


Idk but this seems a similar story to me

Here is a Lakota story. I think it might pertain because of the up down.

There are several Fallen Star stories and this is one.

"Long, long ago, two young Lakota women were out one night looking at the stars. One young woman said "See that big beautiful star. I wish I could marry it." The other woman said the same about another star. Suddenly, they are transported into the star world, and there these two stars become their husbands. The wives become pregnant. They are told this star world is theirs, but also warned not to dig any wild turnips.

Eventually one of them does, and as she pulls out the turnip, a hole opens in the star world. She is able to look down and see the earth, and even her own village. She becomes homesick and decides to return to earth. She braids more and more turnips to make a rope and lets herself down through the hole. But the braid doesn't reach the earth and she falls. The crash kills her, but her baby is born. The baby is raised by a meadowlark. Since meadowlarks speak Lakota, the baby, now named "Fallen Star", grows up speaking it, too.

Fallen Star matures rapidly-in days rather than years. He is taller than normal and a light emanates from him. The meadowlark grows old and takes him to a Lakota band where he settles for awhile.

Fallen Star, the protector, the bringer of light and higher consciousness, travels from one Lakota band to another, and everywhere he is recognized, expected, and reverenced.

At one point, a band is camped near Harney Peak in the Black Hills. Every day a "red eagle" swoops down and steals a girl-child, carries her to the mountain top and kills her. The men try to shoot the "red eagle", but fail. They pray for Fallen Star and after seven days (and after seven girls have been killed), he arrives. He shoots the eagle, and places the spirits of the seven girls in teh sky as a constellation-pleiades--in Lakota, wicincala sakowin--"seven little girls"."

-Lakota Star Knowledge by Ronald Goodman
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The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1–4 NAS, immediately before the story of Noah's ark:

“ Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ”

The second is Numbers 13:32–33 NAS, where the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

“ So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we had gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight
 Quoting: bible

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well the nephilim do not take up a lot of text in the bible
and i do not see much ambiguity in what the bible says on the topic
 Quoting: aether





so with that in mind /z\ how and why has the topic nephilim become entangled with fallen somethings etc if the bible
the law for all christian believers states clearly and concisely what nephilim are

how has that occurred and who or what caused people whom say the live by their holy book to suggested something their holy book clearly does not say
 Quoting: aether
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The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1–4 NAS, immediately before the story of Noah's ark:

“ Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ”

The second is Numbers 13:32–33 NAS, where the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

“ So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we had gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight
 Quoting: bible

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well the nephilim do not take up a lot of text in the bible
and i do not see much ambiguity in what the bible says on the topic
 Quoting: aether


But noahs ark is a pre judaic story about utnapishtam.
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from the story of the nefilim we learn that angelic beings are weaker than man when it comes to the temptations of this world.
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The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1–4 NAS, immediately before the story of Noah's ark:

“ Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ”

The second is Numbers 13:32–33 NAS, where the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

“ So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we had gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight
 Quoting: bible

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well the nephilim do not take up a lot of text in the bible
and i do not see much ambiguity in what the bible says on the topic
 Quoting: aether


But noahs ark is a pre judaic story about utnapishtam.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


or the Babylonian story is a version of noah's ark that moved from the original.
this is my opinion and I don't expect you to agree with it.
but the case is that the ark has been found where the noah story says it is, and has the exact dimensions as in the noah story.
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well said dreamily and we know it is a topic you know well
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no disrespect, but when it comes to you, I just don't know when your cynical or serious.

anyway I guess I was drawn inorder to reply to that, and now I'd leave you gaianes alone (thought I disagree greatly with much of what is being said here but it would be futile to fight against it)
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


hi

he was being serious dude, did you ask your Rabbi what we spoke of?
 Quoting: orbs 1088558


no, I already know what he would say, which I just have to continue my studies and reach it when I reach it, no shortcuts.

also I asked him regarding my kundalini and he gave me a very short answer, which lead me to this.

ive had spontaneous kundalini... which i fear may have harmed me, i do believe it is demonic, untill proven otherwise.

anyway, ive talked to my rabbi about it, so he told me to do "shma yisrael" prayer.

few days later ive felt energies running across my body again, so i did the "shmah" call

ive felt the energy going down with each word, it started from the pineal gland and went all the way down to my rectum.

i still feel connected. but i believe i may have reversed kundalini.

anyway, the way across the tree of life is downwards. upwards like kundalini is demonic.

anyway ive told my rabbi about what had happened, he smiled and asked if it went down to YESOD. im not an expert so said i dont know.
 Quoting: DPS

Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI
please ignore my obvious ignorance... this post was made a very long time ago.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


That is interesting, downwards Kundalini I mean.

Has anyone else here experienced downwards kundalini, I am always pulling energy up.
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The term "Nephilim" occurs just twice in the Hebrew Bible, both in the Torah. The first is Genesis 6:1–4 NAS, immediately before the story of Noah's ark:

“ Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ”

The second is Numbers 13:32–33 NAS, where the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

“ So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we had gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight
 Quoting: bible

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well the nephilim do not take up a lot of text in the bible
and i do not see much ambiguity in what the bible says on the topic
 Quoting: aether


Idk but this seems a similar story to me

Here is a Lakota story. I think it might pertain because of the up down.

There are several Fallen Star stories and this is one.

"Long, long ago, two young Lakota women were out one night looking at the stars. One young woman said "See that big beautiful star. I wish I could marry it." The other woman said the same about another star. Suddenly, they are transported into the star world, and there these two stars become their husbands. The wives become pregnant. They are told this star world is theirs, but also warned not to dig any wild turnips.

Eventually one of them does, and as she pulls out the turnip, a hole opens in the star world. She is able to look down and see the earth, and even her own village. She becomes homesick and decides to return to earth. She braids more and more turnips to make a rope and lets herself down through the hole. But the braid doesn't reach the earth and she falls. The crash kills her, but her baby is born. The baby is raised by a meadowlark. Since meadowlarks speak Lakota, the baby, now named "Fallen Star", grows up speaking it, too.

Fallen Star matures rapidly-in days rather than years. He is taller than normal and a light emanates from him. The meadowlark grows old and takes him to a Lakota band where he settles for awhile.

Fallen Star, the protector, the bringer of light and higher consciousness, travels from one Lakota band to another, and everywhere he is recognized, expected, and reverenced.

At one point, a band is camped near Harney Peak in the Black Hills. Every day a "red eagle" swoops down and steals a girl-child, carries her to the mountain top and kills her. The men try to shoot the "red eagle", but fail. They pray for Fallen Star and after seven days (and after seven girls have been killed), he arrives. He shoots the eagle, and places the spirits of the seven girls in teh sky as a constellation-pleiades--in Lakota, wicincala sakowin--"seven little girls"."

-Lakota Star Knowledge by Ronald Goodman
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27543704

 Quoting: Fancypantz


now is that not a nicer story altogether
and
noticing the bible is clear what nephilim are
we may consider the notion of people from the sky (other solar systems) that may have fallen in love with gaia women, when it occurred the consequences for all people of gaia was protective love was shown by their offspring for the people of gaia whom the offspring had become

so where do these heresies arsise with christian believers and who is the cause of these heresies in the name of nephilim
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not so, once againn it was a fixture in judaism at the time of Christ. most christians think its the work of heretics or the devil himself.
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no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


Which christian version,the kjv?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
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no disrespect, but when it comes to you, I just don't know when your cynical or serious.

anyway I guess I was drawn inorder to reply to that, and now I'd leave you gaianes alone (thought I disagree greatly with much of what is being said here but it would be futile to fight against it)
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


hi

he was being serious dude, did you ask your Rabbi what we spoke of?
 Quoting: orbs 1088558


no, I already know what he would say, which I just have to continue my studies and reach it when I reach it, no shortcuts.

also I asked him regarding my kundalini and he gave me a very short answer, which lead me to this.

ive had spontaneous kundalini... which i fear may have harmed me, i do believe it is demonic, untill proven otherwise.

anyway, ive talked to my rabbi about it, so he told me to do "shma yisrael" prayer.

few days later ive felt energies running across my body again, so i did the "shmah" call

ive felt the energy going down with each word, it started from the pineal gland and went all the way down to my rectum.

i still feel connected. but i believe i may have reversed kundalini.

anyway, the way across the tree of life is downwards. upwards like kundalini is demonic.

anyway ive told my rabbi about what had happened, he smiled and asked if it went down to YESOD. im not an expert so said i dont know.
 Quoting: DPS

Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI
please ignore my obvious ignorance... this post was made a very long time ago.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


That is interesting, downwards Kundalini I mean.

Has anyone else here experienced downwards kundalini, I am always pulling energy up.
 Quoting: <<orbs>>


ive learned it can be done by the power of intention, though I had no such intention when I did shema.

also when it reaches the lower chakra it goes straight back to the head chakra (or sefira)
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no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


Which christian version,the kjv?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


I find these cults to be remnants of pagan cults trying to exist under the shadow of J.
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no disrespect, but when it comes to you, I just don't know when your cynical or serious.

anyway I guess I was drawn inorder to reply to that, and now I'd leave you gaianes alone (thought I disagree greatly with much of what is being said here but it would be futile to fight against it)
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


hi

he was being serious dude, did you ask your Rabbi what we spoke of?
 Quoting: orbs 1088558


no, I already know what he would say, which I just have to continue my studies and reach it when I reach it, no shortcuts.

also I asked him regarding my kundalini and he gave me a very short answer, which lead me to this.

ive had spontaneous kundalini... which i fear may have harmed me, i do believe it is demonic, untill proven otherwise.

anyway, ive talked to my rabbi about it, so he told me to do "shma yisrael" prayer.

few days later ive felt energies running across my body again, so i did the "shmah" call

ive felt the energy going down with each word, it started from the pineal gland and went all the way down to my rectum.

i still feel connected. but i believe i may have reversed kundalini.

anyway, the way across the tree of life is downwards. upwards like kundalini is demonic.

anyway ive told my rabbi about what had happened, he smiled and asked if it went down to YESOD. im not an expert so said i dont know.
 Quoting: DPS

Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI
please ignore my obvious ignorance... this post was made a very long time ago.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


That is interesting, downwards Kundalini I mean.

Has anyone else here experienced downwards kundalini, I am always pulling energy up.
 Quoting: <<orbs>>


In the realm of todays science, it is ionic and cationic process. Spin baby spin.
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no disrespect, but when it comes to you, I just don't know when your cynical or serious.

anyway I guess I was drawn inorder to reply to that, and now I'd leave you gaianes alone (thought I disagree greatly with much of what is being said here but it would be futile to fight against it)
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hi

he was being serious dude, did you ask your Rabbi what we spoke of?
 Quoting: orbs 1088558


no, I already know what he would say, which I just have to continue my studies and reach it when I reach it, no shortcuts.

also I asked him regarding my kundalini and he gave me a very short answer, which lead me to this.

ive had spontaneous kundalini... which i fear may have harmed me, i do believe it is demonic, untill proven otherwise.

anyway, ive talked to my rabbi about it, so he told me to do "shma yisrael" prayer.

few days later ive felt energies running across my body again, so i did the "shmah" call

ive felt the energy going down with each word, it started from the pineal gland and went all the way down to my rectum.

i still feel connected. but i believe i may have reversed kundalini.

anyway, the way across the tree of life is downwards. upwards like kundalini is demonic.

anyway ive told my rabbi about what had happened, he smiled and asked if it went down to YESOD. im not an expert so said i dont know.
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Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI
please ignore my obvious ignorance... this post was made a very long time ago.
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That is interesting, downwards Kundalini I mean.

Has anyone else here experienced downwards kundalini, I am always pulling energy up.
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yes, i often experience it going down, top to bottom
bottom to top is a different experience
seems to depend on the topic and what environmental forces i am within kundalini with

i don`t ever consciously think about it one way or another , as in: top to bottom or bottom to top
i don`t think about direction at all other then notice the direction at the time
moment to moment is the feeling
whatever happens fits the happening
it seems to me
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no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
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Which christian version,the kjv?
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no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
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i see
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Which christian version,the kjv?
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no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
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I find these cults to be remnants of pagan cults trying to exist under the shadow of J.
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Okay, but judaic thought was hellenized. Even modern day circumcision practices mandated by maimonides were because of the transition to hellenism.

Heck, I'm an unwashed Keltoi, a pure pagan, that I know doctrines were changed simply because of military strength.

Nothing is pure.
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no it wasn't.

this is bullshit Christians make up.

the Christian version of the book of enoch does not trace back to second temple Judea.

some parts of the book of enoch have been found in the dead sea scrolls and they don't resemble the Christian fabrication of it.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


Which christian version,the kjv?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


So basically their beliefs at the time distorted the actual memory?
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hi

he was being serious dude, did you ask your Rabbi what we spoke of?
 Quoting: orbs 1088558


no, I already know what he would say, which I just have to continue my studies and reach it when I reach it, no shortcuts.

also I asked him regarding my kundalini and he gave me a very short answer, which lead me to this.

ive had spontaneous kundalini... which i fear may have harmed me, i do believe it is demonic, untill proven otherwise.

anyway, ive talked to my rabbi about it, so he told me to do "shma yisrael" prayer.

few days later ive felt energies running across my body again, so i did the "shmah" call

ive felt the energy going down with each word, it started from the pineal gland and went all the way down to my rectum.

i still feel connected. but i believe i may have reversed kundalini.

anyway, the way across the tree of life is downwards. upwards like kundalini is demonic.

anyway ive told my rabbi about what had happened, he smiled and asked if it went down to YESOD. im not an expert so said i dont know.
 Quoting: DPS

Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI
please ignore my obvious ignorance... this post was made a very long time ago.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


That is interesting, downwards Kundalini I mean.

Has anyone else here experienced downwards kundalini, I am always pulling energy up.
 Quoting: <<orbs>>


yes, i often experience it going down, top to bottom
bottom to top is a different experience
seems to depend on the topic and what environmental forces i am within kundalini with

i don`t ever consciously think about it one way or another , as in: top to bottom or bottom to top
i don`t think about direction at all other then notice the direction at the time
moment to moment is the feeling
whatever happens fits the happening
it seems to me
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Yes recall I told you in PM of pulling it in third eye going down through chakras to root then up to crown, like a saxaphone.

Yet the end is up, always seeking the crown lol.
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In the realm of todays science, it is ionic and cationic process. Spin baby spin.
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The spin I do with my intent, the energy movement I do with breath.

When I can be bothered hahahaha
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[link to www.ibiblio.org]

The Book of Enoch is a pseudoepigraphal work (a work that claims to be by a biblical character). The Book of Enoch was not included in either the Hebrew or most Christian biblical canons, but could have been considered a sacred text by the sectarians. The original Aramaic version was lost until the Dead Sea fragements were discovered.
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ive learned it can be done by the power of intention, though I had no such intention when I did shema.

also when it reaches the lower chakra it goes straight back to the head chakra (or sefira)
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Yes, I call it the saxophone.

In through eye down to root zoom up to crown.
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Which christian version,the kjv?
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no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


So basically their beliefs at the time distorted the actual memory?
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Gnosticism drew on earlier theorem to unite thought through philosophic practice.
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Which christian version,the kjv?
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no.
book of enoch.
the ones available to read online are not THE book of enoch.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


The apochrypha and book of enoch are later gnostic cult writings about 3 -400 bc. These are the mushroom cults and have little to do with orthodoxy.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


So basically their beliefs at the time distorted the actual memory?
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yes this book of enoch is very new in context of the topic

Book of Enoch

The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) are estimated to date from about 300 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

why wait several hundred years to write something that is important
looks like an insert to prompt fear

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despite aether pleas to stay, 184 was banned.
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In the realm of todays science, it is ionic and cationic process. Spin baby spin.
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The spin I do with my intent, the energy movement I do with breath.

When I can be bothered hahahaha
 Quoting: <<orbs>>


Lol, no worries, not being serious is next to godliness.

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