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Sufism

Sufism is a branch of Islam, defined by adherents as the inner, mystical dimension of Islam; others contend that it is a perennial philosophy of existence that pre-dates religion, the expression of which flowered within Islam.....................

....................While all Muslims believe that they are on the pathway to God and hope to become close to God in Paradise—after death and after the "Final Judgment"—Sufis also believe that it is possible to draw closer to God and to more fully embrace the Divine Presence in this life..
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as in gnosis ?

" A Dickian neologism roughly equivalent to "living knowledge" and another cognate for VALIS . Dick often felt that he had bonded with the plasmate in 2-3-74 and that, as a result, he had a second self dwelling within his psyche, making him a homoplasmate. Dick often regarded the plasmate as the living transmission of the Gnostic goddess Sophia.
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Rahanni - Of One Heart
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Organophosphate

An organophosphate (sometimes abbreviated OP) or phosphate ester is the general name for esters of phosphoric acid. Many of the most important biochemicals are organophosphates, including DNA and RNA as well as many cofactors that are essential for life. Organophosphates are the basis of many insecticides, herbicides, and nerve agents. The United States Environmental Protection Agency lists organophosphates as very highly acutely toxic to bees, wildlife, and humans.

Recent studies suggest a possible link to adverse effects in the neurobehavioral development of fetuses and children, even at very low levels of exposure. Organophosphates are widely used as solvents, plasticizers, and EP additives.

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that all sounds horrible to the point i never finished reading

no imagination what it could experience as is the sensation
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What part of it was so horrible for you? scratching

Do you see the connections? Is it plausible?
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yes
we have yet to consider matching what we know to what is happening because we consider no one knows where to begin thinking about it so we don`t
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Who is we? Many, many are both considering it and working toward an answer/solution.

Myself included.

I think the study out of UC Davis is intriguing and follows with the line of thinking I have been following regarding autism since the early oughts.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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hmm

I think so. Was is a poster here who went there and shared some images of their trip? Was it Cutbait?


I believe it is a common design.

PansLabyrinth
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love that labryinth in that picture, finding the flower in the mind, the heart mind, would be nice to visit Chartres,

have ye tried walking a labyrinth Seer? nice experience :)
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I have not in the physical sense. However, I mind the labyrinth of my experiences on the regular. lol.

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The plate has all the look of this, when I made a 3D shape of the 2D swastika. You can even see how the center convergence planes are offset to each other... just as on the plate.

swas1 swsas2
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what are we looking at here /z\
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oh, wow.
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Organophosphate

An organophosphate (sometimes abbreviated OP) or phosphate ester is the general name for esters of phosphoric acid. Many of the most important biochemicals are organophosphates, including DNA and RNA as well as many cofactors that are essential for life. Organophosphates are the basis of many insecticides, herbicides, and nerve agents. The United States Environmental Protection Agency lists organophosphates as very highly acutely toxic to bees, wildlife, and humans.

Recent studies suggest a possible link to adverse effects in the neurobehavioral development of fetuses and children, even at very low levels of exposure. Organophosphates are widely used as solvents, plasticizers, and EP additives.

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What part of it was so horrible for you? scratching

Do you see the connections? Is it plausible?
 Quoting: Seer777

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yes
we have yet to consider matching what we know to what is happening because we consider no one knows where to begin thinking about it so we don`t
 Quoting: aether


Who is we? Many, many are both considering it and working toward an answer/solution.

Myself included.

I think the study out of UC Davis is intriguing and follows with the line of thinking I have been following regarding autism since the early oughts.
 Quoting: Seer777


Ppl only like the idea of smart autistics that are somehow debilitated by their autism so that they are not too effectual with their "super powers"

It is such an uncomfortable situation to realize their minds are literally wired differently and this affects things as common as sight, hearing , speech, and emotion. They are almost a different breed of human in some cases it seems the more you understand the condition.

Then add in the multiple theories of where it came from and why. It is a controversial topic ppl are willing to acknowledge exist in most cases but are literally afraid to embrace the implications of what it might mean for humanity as a species moving forward.

It has quickly become an "oh, well thats their problem. They seem alright to me." Type of deal so the real developments of the "disorder" fly under the radar as many become more and more functional and breed.

Which of course makes even more on the high functioning end of the spectrum.
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Who is we? Many, many are both considering it and working toward an answer/solution.

Myself included.

I think the study out of UC Davis is intriguing and follows with the line of thinking I have been following regarding autism since the early oughts.
 Quoting: Seer777


Ppl only like the idea of smart autistics that are somehow debilitated by their autism so that they are not too effectual with their "super powers"

It is such an uncomfortable situation to realize their minds are literally wired differently and this affects things as common as sight, hearing , speech, and emotion. They are almost a different breed of human in some cases it seems the more you understand the condition.

Then add in the multiple theories of where it came from and why. It is a controversial topic ppl are willing to acknowledge exist in most cases but are literally afraid to embrace the implications of what it might mean for humanity as a species moving forward.

It has quickly become an "oh, well thats their problem. They seem alright to me." Type of deal so the real developments of the "disorder" fly under the radar as many become more and more functional and breed.

Which of course makes even more on the high functioning end of the spectrum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51889363


I was discussing the autism spectrum disorder with another yesterday in regard to Autism vs Asperger Syndrome and whether the two belong together at all, and/or if they are completely different things.

I think the reason we call it a 'spectrum' because it is so poorly understood and can present differently with a few tells and due severity.


In regard to the implications of the UC Davis study, I would like to see the range of severity of the 1/3 of women living within 1 mile of the spraying in direct relation outward.

If that makes sense. Still early here.
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Who is we? Many, many are both considering it and working toward an answer/solution.

Myself included.

I think the study out of UC Davis is intriguing and follows with the line of thinking I have been following regarding autism since the early oughts.
 Quoting: Seer777


Ppl only like the idea of smart autistics that are somehow debilitated by their autism so that they are not too effectual with their "super powers"

It is such an uncomfortable situation to realize their minds are literally wired differently and this affects things as common as sight, hearing , speech, and emotion. They are almost a different breed of human in some cases it seems the more you understand the condition.

Then add in the multiple theories of where it came from and why. It is a controversial topic ppl are willing to acknowledge exist in most cases but are literally afraid to embrace the implications of what it might mean for humanity as a species moving forward.

It has quickly become an "oh, well thats their problem. They seem alright to me." Type of deal so the real developments of the "disorder" fly under the radar as many become more and more functional and breed.

Which of course makes even more on the high functioning end of the spectrum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51889363


I was discussing the autism spectrum disorder with another yesterday in regard to Autism vs Asperger Syndrome and whether the two belong together at all, and/or if they are completely different things.

I think the reason we call it a 'spectrum' because it is so poorly understood and can present differently with a few tells and due severity.


In regard to the implications of the UC Davis study, I would like to see the range of severity of the 1/3 of women living within 1 mile of the spraying in direct relation outward.

If that makes sense. Still early here.
 Quoting: Seer777


Actually the aspergers designation has been done away with. That is why the talk of low and high functioning. That is how it is referred to now. Though it is commonly ignored because aspergers became easily recognized and at least partially understood. It looks like it will persist in spite of the decision to do away with the diagnoses. Which i like actually but is creates a clear line between high functioning and low. The differences should be acknowledged because they are so stark.

Women and aspergers is an interesting topic all on its own.
It largely goes undiagnosed/noticed largely to do social perceptions. Women are allowed to be quarky or sensitive to sights, sounds, smells, textures and to have "crazy ideas" more readily then men.

A sexist position that helps and hinders autistic women at the same time.

Can you link the UC study? Or is just a page back? I have resources that might be able to give you more information.
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Ppl only like the idea of smart autistics that are somehow debilitated by their autism so that they are not too effectual with their "super powers"

It is such an uncomfortable situation to realize their minds are literally wired differently and this affects things as common as sight, hearing , speech, and emotion. They are almost a different breed of human in some cases it seems the more you understand the condition.

Then add in the multiple theories of where it came from and why. It is a controversial topic ppl are willing to acknowledge exist in most cases but are literally afraid to embrace the implications of what it might mean for humanity as a species moving forward.

It has quickly become an "oh, well thats their problem. They seem alright to me." Type of deal so the real developments of the "disorder" fly under the radar as many become more and more functional and breed.

Which of course makes even more on the high functioning end of the spectrum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51889363


I was discussing the autism spectrum disorder with another yesterday in regard to Autism vs Asperger Syndrome and whether the two belong together at all, and/or if they are completely different things.

I think the reason we call it a 'spectrum' because it is so poorly understood and can present differently with a few tells and due severity.


In regard to the implications of the UC Davis study, I would like to see the range of severity of the 1/3 of women living within 1 mile of the spraying in direct relation outward.

If that makes sense. Still early here.
 Quoting: Seer777


Actually the aspergers designation has been done away with. That is why the talk of low and high functioning. That is how it is referred to now. Though it is commonly ignored because aspergers became easily recognized and at least partially understood. It looks like it will persist in spite of the decision to do away with the diagnoses. Which i like actually but is creates a clear line between high functioning and low. The differences should be acknowledged because they are so stark.

Women and aspergers is an interesting topic all on its own.
It largely goes undiagnosed/noticed largely to do social perceptions. Women are allowed to be quarky or sensitive to sights, sounds, smells, textures and to have "crazy ideas" more readily then men.

A sexist position that helps and hinders autistic women at the same time.

Can you link the UC study? Or is just a page back? I have resources that might be able to give you more information.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51889363


Good point. When do you think 'sensitive' crosses over into being considered a 'disorder'? I would assume it would be if someone becomes non-functioning or freaks out rather often...if you will.

There seems to be a vast difference between 'high functioning' and 'low functioning' to perhaps be considered something different altogether.

Maybe.

Here is the study. I provided two different links.
I saw this UC Davis study earlier.


Pesticide Exposure During Pregnancy Linked To Autism (STUDY)

In a new study from California, children with an autism spectrum disorder were more likely to have mothers who lived close to fields treated with certain pesticides during pregnancy.

Proximity to agricultural pesticides in pregnancy was also linked to other types of developmental delay among children.

“Ours is the third study to specifically link autism spectrum disorders to pesticide exposure, whereas more papers have demonstrated links with developmental delay,” said lead author Janie F. Shelton, from the University of California, Davis.

There needs to be more research before scientists can say that pesticides cause autism, she told Reuters Health in an email. But pesticides all affect signaling between cells in the nervous system, she added, so a direct link is plausible.

California is one of only a few states in the U.S. where agricultural pesticide use is rigorously reported and mapped. For the new study, the researchers used those maps to track exposures during pregnancy for the mothers of 970 children.

The children included 486 with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), 168 with a developmental delay and 316 with typical development.

...

In the new study, about a third of mothers had lived within a mile of fields treated with pesticides, most commonly organophosphates.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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Puts a whole new spin on living 'down wind'.


UC Davis study links autism to pesticides
Using the pesticide data maps, researchers overlaid addresses of about 1,000 participants in a Childhood Autism Risks from Genetics and Environment study — a population-based, case-control study of children ages 2-5 with autism, developmental delay and typical development. The study area primarily was within a two-hour drive of Sacramento.

About one-third of the mothers in the study lived within 1.5 kilometers — just under a mile — of an agricultural pesticide application when they were pregnant, the researchers said.

The risk of autism decreased the farther the pregnant women lived from where pesticides were sprayed, the report said.


The research included four classes of pesticides: organophosphates, organochlorines, pyrethroids and carbamates. The pesticides are used on a variety of crops in the Valley, such as cantaloupe, melon, oranges, tomato processing, cotton and alfalfa.

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Did you ever see this movie?


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Actually the aspergers designation has been done away with. That is why the talk of low and high functioning. That is how it is referred to now. Though it is commonly ignored because aspergers became easily recognized and at least partially understood. It looks like it will persist in spite of the decision to do away with the diagnoses. Which i like actually but is creates a clear line between high functioning and low. The differences should be acknowledged because they are so stark.

Women and aspergers is an interesting topic all on its own.
It largely goes undiagnosed/noticed largely to do social perceptions. Women are allowed to be quarky or sensitive to sights, sounds, smells, textures and to have "crazy ideas" more readily then men.

A sexist position that helps and hinders autistic women at the same time.

Can you link the UC study? Or is just a page back? I have resources that might be able to give you more information.
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Good point. When do you think 'sensitive' crosses over into being considered a 'disorder'? I would assume it would be if someone becomes non-functioning or freaks out rather often...if you will.

There seems to be a vast difference between 'high functioning' and 'low functioning' to perhaps be considered something different altogether.

Maybe.

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Sensitive becomes a disorder when it creates a strain on society or those who are in direct contact with the person on a regular basis. If there sensitivity/symptoms are severe enough they have a disorder. If not they are "high functioning" So even with aspergers there is still an element of how the individual handles it if it is to be considered a disorder or not.

So paradoxically if someone has a disorder or not could depend on the company they keep. Family for instance. What is a disorder to some is a unique gift to others.

In regards to it being different altogether the difference again comes down to the individual it seems. If they can adapt and even utilize the differently structured brain that comes from having autism they are effectively something entirely different than the one ones who have autism and can not.

Did you ever see this movie?


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:) No i haven't. It appears to definitely make some blatant nods to the disorder doesnt it?

Notice they accentuated the little girls pineal gland? wink wink.

I will look over the study. Be back in a bit.
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This is awesome. Vid at link shows him moving his hand.


'Neural Bypass' Reconnects Brain to Muscles in Paralyzed Man

For the first time ever, a quadriplegic man has moved his hand using his own thoughts.

Ian Burkhart, a 23-year-old who became paralyzed after a diving accident four years ago, is the first patient to try out Neurobridge, which reroutes brain signals. The system combines a computer chip implanted in the brain, a brain-computer interface, and a sleeve that transmits electrical signals to the patient's forearm and hand.

Neurobridge works as a kind of neural "bypass," taking signals from the brain, rerouting them around the damaged spinal cord and sending them directly to the muscles, according to its developers, including doctors at the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and researchers from Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus, Ohio.

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Actually the aspergers designation has been done away with. That is why the talk of low and high functioning. That is how it is referred to now. Though it is commonly ignored because aspergers became easily recognized and at least partially understood. It looks like it will persist in spite of the decision to do away with the diagnoses. Which i like actually but is creates a clear line between high functioning and low. The differences should be acknowledged because they are so stark.

Women and aspergers is an interesting topic all on its own.
It largely goes undiagnosed/noticed largely to do social perceptions. Women are allowed to be quarky or sensitive to sights, sounds, smells, textures and to have "crazy ideas" more readily then men.

A sexist position that helps and hinders autistic women at the same time.

Can you link the UC study? Or is just a page back? I have resources that might be able to give you more information.
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Good point. When do you think 'sensitive' crosses over into being considered a 'disorder'? I would assume it would be if someone becomes non-functioning or freaks out rather often...if you will.

There seems to be a vast difference between 'high functioning' and 'low functioning' to perhaps be considered something different altogether.

Maybe.

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Sensitive becomes a disorder when it creates a strain on society or those who are in direct contact with the person on a regular basis. If there sensitivity/symptoms are severe enough they have a disorder. If not they are "high functioning" So even with aspergers there is still an element of how the individual handles it if it is to be considered a disorder or not.

So paradoxically if someone has a disorder or not could depend on the company they keep. Family for instance. What is a disorder to some is a unique gift to others.

In regards to it being different altogether the difference again comes down to the individual it seems. If they can adapt and even utilize the differently structured brain that comes from having autism they are effectively something entirely different than the one ones who have autism and can not.

Did you ever see this movie?


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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:) No i haven't. It appears to definitely make some blatant nods to the disorder doesnt it?

Notice they accentuated the little girls pineal gland? wink wink.

I will look over the study. Be back in a bit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51889363


Very good points.

Functioning be the key here. Social anxiety is rather common. Some are able to function rather well, while others practice avoidance type behavior. This could in part be due to just not relating to 'immediate others' or finding the same things interesting. As we all do with friends and the company we choose to keep.

I make it no secret I feel like this on occasion. lol.
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Yes. It is based on a true story. Well worth the watch.

I look forward to your synopsis regarding the study.

:)
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if you do not know your history before you cause it to occur how can you believe you know what you are doing when you cause cause , the cause of cause
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oh

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Evolutionary insights into global patterns of human cranial diversity: population history, climatic and dietary effects


..........This approach has revealed that global patterns of cranial variation can largely be explained on the basis of neutral theory. Therefore, human cranial data can be productively employed as a proxy for neutral genetic data in archaeological contexts. Moreover, there is a growing recognition that regions of the cranium differ in the extent to which they fit a neutral model of microevolutionary expectation, allowing for a more detailed assessment of patterns of adaptation and phenotypic plasticity within the human skull. Taking an historical perspective, the current state of knowledge regarding patterns of cranial adaptation in response to climatic and dietary effects is reviewed. Further insights will be gained by better incorporating the study of cranial and postcranial variation, as well as understanding the impact of neutral versus non-neutral evolution in creating among-species diversity patterns in primates more generally. .........
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cranial capacity as it relates to evolutionary adaption has always lagged behind the advantages provided by the human body; i.e. the dexterity of the hands promoted the development of brain which control said. the acuity of the eyes was responsible for the increased size of the visual cortex .... and it goes down the line has such.

terrible analogy to use but the development of hardware capacity spurs software capabilities.
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The plate has all the look of this, when I made a 3D shape of the 2D swastika. You can even see how the center convergence planes are offset to each other... just as on the plate.

swas1 swsas2
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what are we looking at here /z\
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oh, wow.
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Thought you would like these, Sept.

9/12 looks kinda like that thing in the vid.

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oh

yes tounge


None of Your Neurons Know Who You Are...



Evolutionary insights into global patterns of human cranial diversity: population history, climatic and dietary effects


..........This approach has revealed that global patterns of cranial variation can largely be explained on the basis of neutral theory. Therefore, human cranial data can be productively employed as a proxy for neutral genetic data in archaeological contexts. Moreover, there is a growing recognition that regions of the cranium differ in the extent to which they fit a neutral model of microevolutionary expectation, allowing for a more detailed assessment of patterns of adaptation and phenotypic plasticity within the human skull. Taking an historical perspective, the current state of knowledge regarding patterns of cranial adaptation in response to climatic and dietary effects is reviewed. Further insights will be gained by better incorporating the study of cranial and postcranial variation, as well as understanding the impact of neutral versus non-neutral evolution in creating among-species diversity patterns in primates more generally. .........
 Quoting: observation

[link to theolduvaigorge.tumblr.com]
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cranial capacity as it relates to evolutionary adaption has always lagged behind the advantages provided by the human body; i.e. the dexterity of the hands promoted the development of brain which control said. the acuity of the eyes was responsible for the increased size of the visual cortex .... and it goes down the line has such.

terrible analogy to use but the development of hardware capacity spurs software capabilities.
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so unless a huge evolutionary leap is accomplished we are limited by the sensory inputs of the human body as to what we can accomplish. a transitional leap maybe the one where the brain itself transcends the sum of all the sensory inputs it receives.

skynet becomes aware kind of thing. lol
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The plate has all the look of this, when I made a 3D shape of the 2D swastika. You can even see how the center convergence planes are offset to each other... just as on the plate.

swas1 swsas2
 Quoting: Pattern Recognition




what are we looking at here /z\
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oh, wow.
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Thought you would like these, Sept.

9/12 looks kinda like that thing in the vid.

This Is What Math Equations Look Like in 3-D
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awesome, thanks Seer!
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how can anyone be sure you're not rayz rayz? lol
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Organophosphate

An organophosphate (sometimes abbreviated OP) or phosphate ester is the general name for esters of phosphoric acid. Many of the most important biochemicals are organophosphates, including DNA and RNA as well as many cofactors that are essential for life. Organophosphates are the basis of many insecticides, herbicides, and nerve agents. The United States Environmental Protection Agency lists organophosphates as very highly acutely toxic to bees, wildlife, and humans.

Recent studies suggest a possible link to adverse effects in the neurobehavioral development of fetuses and children, even at very low levels of exposure. Organophosphates are widely used as solvents, plasticizers, and EP additives.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



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What part of it was so horrible for you? scratching

Do you see the connections? Is it plausible?
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 Quoting: Seer777


yes
we have yet to consider matching what we know to what is happening because we consider no one knows where to begin thinking about it so we don`t
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Who is we? Many, many are both considering it and working toward an answer/solution.

Myself included.

I think the study out of UC Davis is intriguing and follows with the line of thinking I have been following regarding autism since the early oughts.
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good morning
no exclusions imagined in we by me


on the topic where is the starting point to know that causing autism to noticeable alter we ..................

is where we are today

that we tounge

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The devil is in the details...mwuahahahaha
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how can anyone be sure you're not rayz rayz? lol
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How can anyone be sure you're not? lol
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yes ,how did everyone forget because the same stuff today does what it does as it did before everyone forgot
it is not our environment that is the significant alteration it is our forgetting causing our environment to become unknown to us
we changed
our environment never does universally
only locally once you scale yourself up to knowing globally
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The WE perspective
Still catching up, nice wizzy run on the explanation after synergy between the last ten pages or so...enjoyed reading that very much!
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OOPS, sorry I misattributed the above quote to aether, apologies there to Lovecrafts monster...

hf
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LOVE-- Craft-- Monster...wow if that isn't an Oxy Moran
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so unless a huge evolutionary leap is accomplished we are limited by the sensory inputs of the human body as to what we can accomplish. a transitional leap maybe the one where the brain itself transcends the sum of all the sensory inputs it receives.

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that leap is already occurred.

...or so i've heard, the biological ("ancestor")-enhanced neural interface, a superintelligence capable of rewriting and hacking its own source code and inevitably designing successive generations of equally intelligent biointerfaces, as such making the previous design obsolete since it has lost its ability to recursively self-improve beyond prediction.

You will know this event horizon as "singularity", a termed definition that is in itself a fallacy.

this intelligence explosion "singularity" will in fact not be singular at all, at its inception or otherwise but rather dynamic, multi faceted.
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if you do not know your history before you cause it to occur how can you believe you know what you are doing when you cause cause , the cause of cause
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predilection
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knowing why and how feelings feel is not demanded of predilection causing predilection to be effect not cause
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The range of severity for the 1/3 of women living within a mile of the spraying is a 60% increased rate of ASD. Which in itself begs a few questions because the test was conducted on persons living 1.25,1.5 and 1.75 km away. 1.5 km being the range most adversely affected. Not 1.25km

Link to the abstract of the original study the UC research and other articles derived from and a pdf link to the entire original study and corresponding supplemental information .
[link to ehp.niehs.nih.gov]




More supporting info here: [link to ehp.niehs.nih.gov]

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This “proof-of-principle” evidence for environmental causation is supported further by findings from prospective birth cohort epidemiological studies, many of them supported by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS). These studies enroll women during pregnancy, measure prenatal exposures in real time as they occur, and then follow children longitudinally with periodic direct examinations to assess growth, development, and the presence of disease. Prospective studies are powerful engines for the discovery of etiologic associations between prenatal exposures and NDDs. They have linked autistic behaviors with prenatal exposures to the organophosphate insecticide chlorpyrifos (Eskenazi et al. 2007) and also with prenatal exposures to phthalates (Miodovnik et al. 2011). Additional prospective studies have linked loss of cognition (IQ), dyslexia, and ADHD to lead (Jusko et al. 2008), methylmercury (Oken et al. 2008), organophosphate insecticides (London et al. 2012), organochlorine insecticides (Eskenazi et al. 2008), polychlorinated biphenyls (Winneke 2011), arsenic (Wasserman et al. 2007), manganese (Khan et al. 2011), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (Perera et al. 2009), bisphenol A (Braun et al. 2011), brominated flame retardants (Herbstman et al. 2010), and perfluorinated compounds (Stein and Savitz 2011).
Toxic chemicals likely cause injury to the developing human brain either through direct toxicity or interactions with the genome. An expert committee convened by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences (NAS) estimated that 3% of neurobehavioral disorders are caused directly by toxic environmental exposures and that another 25% are caused by interactions between environmental factors, defined broadly, and inherited susceptibilities (National Research Council 2000). Epigenetic modification of gene expression by toxic chemicals that results in DNA methylation, histone modification, or changes in activity levels of non-protein-coding RNA (ncRNAs) may be a mechanism of such gene–environment interaction (Grafodatskaya et al. 2010). Epigenetic “marks” have been shown to be able to influence gene expression and alter high-order DNA structure (Anway and Skinner 2006; Waterland and Jirtle 2004).




Relevant related study:
Organophosphate Pesticide Exposure and Attention in Young Mexican-American Children: The CHAMACOS Study:
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

This study gives some hard numbers and concentrates on the ADHD aspects of being exposed to these toxins as opposed to ASD but touch on autism results acknowledging some children showing signs of PDD (pervasive developmental disorders ).





My synopsis?

Autism is kind of the perfect storm.
Looking back on how they likely tested these pesticide chemicals on animals what would the symptoms have been? The symptoms of autism are much like the instincts animals are already born with. Sensitivity to light, sound, vibration, trouble reading complex facial expressions sensitivity to touch and acute awareness of textures. All things animals already do naturally so would not be noticed as adverse side effects during the data collection of the tests. Add to that the symptoms in humans are typically not recognized until just before or at school age.

The only thing likely noticeable would have been intelligence either decreasing or increasing in some subjects in various degrees. Only the severe loss of intelligence or encumbered cognitive abilities being recorded as significant.

The same scenario applying to the testing of vaccinations as well I presume.

So years pass, crop yields explode in size. Billions are made. What to do? Time to apply the formula.


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At first the numbers were manageable, negligible. So full steam ahead with the implementation of the new miracle chemicals. Then, seemingly overnight, we have a situation quickly building towards and epidemic. The safe point for the cost/risk assessment eclipsed in the blink of an eye. Now research is being done and it is pointing towards the miracle chemicals that have stacked billions for the beneficiaries of there implementation. Pulling them would be an admission of guilt and would result in payouts so large and widespread it would bankrupt the giant global corporations that are ultimately responsible for there use.

To complicate things even further there is ample proof that autism in its various forms is genetic as well. So why are we seeing increases because of toxins and other environmental factors? Why are they both happening at once and why are chemicals causing a disorder that has evolved naturally in some humans to happen seemingly by force in others? Are genetic autistics and chemically induced autistics the same thing? If not what are the differences?

It seems almost biblical or destined in scope and nature. As if they were coming one way or the other.

But why and to what end? Even the aspect of some being high functioning and not being classifiable as having a disorder because of their adaptability, even though they have all the symptoms of autism that cause others to need medication or other assistance, makes a weird kind of sense. It is the classic mother nature scenario of adapt or die. A form of evolution. At least it meets the requirements and follows the same pattern of that scenario. (That should piss some ppl off)


Regardless of why this is happening it is happening and it has multiple causes that on the surface at least are not connected.
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so unless a huge evolutionary leap is accomplished we are limited by the sensory inputs of the human body as to what we can accomplish. a transitional leap maybe the one where the brain itself transcends the sum of all the sensory inputs it receives.

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that leap is already occurred.

...or so i've heard, the biological ("ancestor")-enhanced neural interface, a superintelligence capable of rewriting and hacking its own source code and inevitably designing successive generations of equally intelligent biointerfaces, as such making the previous design obsolete since it has lost its ability to recursively self-improve beyond prediction.

You will know this event horizon as "singularity", a termed definition that is in itself a fallacy.

this intelligence explosion "singularity" will in fact not be singular at all, at its inception or otherwise but rather dynamic, multi faceted.
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The rolling momentum of this effectual system at its inception and in its continuance leaves no allowance for a concrete singularity.
Like the explosion that gave rise to a set variables incalculable creating life as we know it the explosion of technological advance forthcoming will also create multifaceted sets of variables and x-hance of parallels manifesting their own anomalies analogous to the emanation giving rise to more variables, chance, and optional variance... even allowing for future emergence of distinct waveform emanations.

were it in fact singular, it would exist in one waveform, it would loose momentum from the start, never increasing or decreasing in cycles, and for lack of a better description of what would happen, there would be no grease, viscosity breakdown would occur in the engine and it would simply just quit. so thank god that the human mind can not wrap its mind around a TRUE singularity-at the moment we ever truly reached it, all of us and all of creation would cease to exist. in form or un-form.
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OOPS, sorry I misattributed the above quote to aether, apologies there to Lovecrafts monster...

hf
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LOVE-- Craft-- Monster...wow if that isn't an Oxy Moran
funny thing about paradoxes,You will have to love at least part, if not the whole;a little bit of love is all it takes to tame the monster
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I couldn't remember how to spell chtoulu (still can't)...
Good point on the "love at least part, if not the whole" that's a major lost art when it comes to humanities abilities to intake the whole/keep what matters/ filter the rest out- process of thought flow.
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if you do not know your history before you cause it to occur how can you believe you know what you are doing when you cause cause , the cause of cause
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predilection
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knowing why and how feelings feel is not demanded of predilection causing predilection to be effect not cause
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feels like a constant effect

a constant, like tensegrity always there never alone because they can never be there alone
which is nice never lonely

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