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Elephants Hold Apparent Vigil To Mourn Their Human Friend


"Lawrence Anthony was a conservationist and author known as "The Elephant Whisperer" who passed away on March 2nd.


In 1999, Anthony rescued and rehabilitated a group of wild South African elephants who were deemed dangerous. And the animals appear to remember what he did for them: when Anthony passed away, a group of elephants visited his house in the South African KwaZulu for a two-day vigil, according to his family.

Anthony, who grew up in rural Zimbabwe, Zambia and Malawi, was known for his unique ability to communicate with and calm traumatized elephants. In his book 'The Elephant Whisperer: My Life with the Herd in the African Wild', he tells the story of saving the elephant herds, at the request of an animal welfare organization.

Anthony concluded that the only way he could save these elephants, who were categorized as violent and unruly, was to live with them - "To save their lives, I would stay with them, feed them, talk to them. But, most importantly, be with them day and night".

When Anthony died of a heart attack, the elephants, who were grazing miles away in different parts of the park, travelled over 12 hours to reach his house. According to his son Jason, both herds arrived shortly after Anthony's death. They hadn't visited the compound where Anthony lived for a year and a half, but Jason says

"in coming up there on that day of all days, we certainly believe that they had sensed it"
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i have met sade
innocence will always look for the best in everything and become perplexed to discover there is not
it is a location thing
as we alter location innocence (sade) will no longer experience that which perplexes thus issue dissolves naturaly
 Quoting: aether


you have met sade? can you explain that bit more please. I'm a little confused lol

hf
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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
 Quoting: aether


oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

hf
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

hf
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They are not solely bound but bound in an X. It could be the confluence of generation (2). It could be a metaphor to the binding of the state of grace.

There are myriad ways to construe the function implicit.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus



It could also be representative of the 'X' chromosome.


Dunno...

I'm getting creeped out again.

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Aether, can I get your thoughts regarding that previous post by the other '8'?

You can PM me if necessary.

Thanks love.

hf
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i'd like to hear your thoughts on 8's post too - if you don't mind posting
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it goes back in glp time

hi 8.....toric field and ascended masters your are describing sounds like theosophy...

are you familiar with theosophy?
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Thread: 2D spoke to me this morning (Page 4)
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Nice, I remember that thread :). Early days with 8 was very overpowering - 8 is a strong personality.

I don't know that 8 responded to the question about Theosophy but there is nothing within the theology with which 8 disagrees.

8 doesn't expound a philosophy per se, other than a strong trend toward balanced neutrality.

8's approach to reality modification is formulaic, and used before (in the 2D thread and the Rodin thread).

Curious - what transformations do you guys see on 12/21?
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So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


The best description I've read is that Lucifer was the inventor of the mirror masking true reality. He experimentally used it on himself, forgetting who he was, creating the first alter-ego arch-nemesis, self vs. self.

It was for this he was cast as evil.
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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering , anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
it's time to remember
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So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


The best description I've read is that Lucifer was the inventor of the mirror masking true reality. He experimentally used it on himself, forgetting who he was, creating the first alter-ego arch-nemesis, self vs. self.

It was for this he was cast as evil.
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wow...thank you for that so he created a false reality and for that he was evil because he led all others astray with the false reality? hmm

hf
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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering ,

anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
 Quoting: aether



That is Empathy.

To know empathy is to feel Compassion for all Life and All that IS.



Wonderful aether. To me, that makes today worth it.

Seashell

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innocence will always look for the best in everything and become perplexed to discover there is not
it is a location thing
as we alter location innocence (sade) will no longer experience that which perplexes thus issue dissolves naturally
 Quoting: aether


"The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity,
 Quoting: theosophy


innocence loves (supports) everything that can not be loved and that can beloved
imagine that effect in our current location
theosophy only know what is known
and theosophy was unknowing of the cause of our golden age going
when the same innocence personality would have been seen in a different light because all where lovable in our golden age
innocence never alters
location environment innocence expressess innocence within sometimes does, for a while

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So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


The best description I've read is that Lucifer was the inventor of the mirror masking true reality. He experimentally used it on himself, forgetting who he was, creating the first alter-ego arch-nemesis, self vs. self.

It was for this he was cast as evil.
 Quoting: 8x8x8 1504648


So he will remember his true form eventually and reveal the true reality in the end maybe?

ach the heavy energy still surrounds me...it's not negative at all. More like seek out the answer and the energy will be lifted...

hf
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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering ,

anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
 Quoting: aether



That is Empathy.

To know empathy is to feel Compassion for all Life and All that IS.



Wonderful aether. To me, that makes today worth it.

Seashell

cheer
 Quoting: Seer777


and i will become used to it
i know as i write
sorry you experienced a bad day
innocence is always pure
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innocence will always look for the best in everything and become perplexed to discover there is not
it is a location thing
as we alter location innocence (sade) will no longer experience that which perplexes thus issue dissolves naturally
 Quoting: aether


"The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity,
 Quoting: theosophy


innocence loves (supports) everything that can not be loved and that can beloved
imagine that effect in our current location
theosophy only know what is known
and theosophy was unknowing of the cause of our golden age going
when the same innocence personality would have been seen in a different light because all where lovable in our golden age
innocence never alters
location environment innocence expressess innocence within sometimes does, for a while
 Quoting: aether


ah its all about the enviornment in which this personality resides...well not only that but I think I am following ya Aether :)

hf
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So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


The best description I've read is that Lucifer was the inventor of the mirror masking true reality. He experimentally used it on himself, forgetting who he was, creating the first alter-ego arch-nemesis, self vs. self.

It was for this he was cast as evil.
 Quoting: 8x8x8 1504648


So he will remember his true form eventually and reveal the true reality in the end maybe?

ach the heavy energy still surrounds me...it's not negative at all. More like seek out the answer and the energy will be lifted...

hf
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Don't know.

I think Lucifer could be God, and it occurs to me he would eventually recognize his creative thumbprint in the world around him - too much so to be coincidence.

But to realize you were the creator, without the ability to return to self, would be a hell/prison.

My question is did Lucifer find a way out of the mirror?
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and i will become used to it
i know as i write
sorry you experienced a bad day
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Wasn't 'bad'...just poignant.

I felt a bit exposed.




MeMory...she does hold the mirror.





GreatWave

"The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our Nature."

~Abraham Lincoln



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So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


The best description I've read is that Lucifer was the inventor of the mirror masking true reality. He experimentally used it on himself, forgetting who he was, creating the first alter-ego arch-nemesis, self vs. self.

It was for this he was cast as evil.
 Quoting: 8x8x8 1504648


So he will remember his true form eventually and reveal the true reality in the end maybe?

ach the heavy energy still surrounds me...it's not negative at all. More like seek out the answer and the energy will be lifted...

hf
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Cause nothing can last forever even in this false reality...
What was once a true reality then changed can and will eventually come back full circle to the original reality. Lucifer will return to his original state of divinity...it seems lol or maybe I am confused...that does not take much lmao I'm gonna have a glass of wine put in a movie and think about this a little more lol

hf
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So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


The best description I've read is that Lucifer was the inventor of the mirror masking true reality. He experimentally used it on himself, forgetting who he was, creating the first alter-ego arch-nemesis, self vs. self.

It was for this he was cast as evil.
 Quoting: 8x8x8 1504648


So he will remember his true form eventually and reveal the true reality in the end maybe?

ach the heavy energy still surrounds me...it's not negative at all. More like seek out the answer and the energy will be lifted...

hf
 Quoting: x 29208752


Don't know.

I think Lucifer could be God, and it occurs to me he would eventually recognize his creative thumbprint in the world around him - too much so to be coincidence.

But to realize you were the creator, without the ability to return to self, would be a hell/prison.

My question is did Lucifer find a way out of the mirror?
 Quoting: 8x8x8 1504648


I like the way you think and describe things :) Yes I imagine it would be very much like that. Maybe he is trying to find his way out now. That's why I and maybe others are feeling these conflicting divine/diabolical entities. I can feel their ancient energy. Sometimes a good awesome feeling sometimes its like wth? chuckle Off to watch that movie and ponder more thoughts lol

peace

hf
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and i will become used to it
i know as i write
sorry you experienced a bad day
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Wasn't 'bad'...just poignant.

I felt a bit exposed.




MeMory...she does hold the mirror.





GreatWave

"The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our Nature."

~Abraham Lincoln



:)
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i discovered that tonight reading a post or two of mine from may of this year
i didn`t like my tone
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
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i agree
ignore them
let our environment devour them

hi jad rockon
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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering , anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
 Quoting: aether


I am going out on a limb, I think, but when I first began talking with you, aether, I remember being a little bit weirded out by your lack of emotion to specific things. I remember when you first said you felt 'love' for me and I was literally speechless. Now, we, and others, say that quite often.

Empathy is linked with love. It is connectivity that creates, rather than destroys. It is as complex as it is simple because of the human condition at this place in space.

It should become more natural, the more we explore our environment, and the more our environment explores us.
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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering ,

anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
 Quoting: aether



That is Empathy.

To know empathy is to feel Compassion for all Life and All that IS.



Wonderful aether. To me, that makes today worth it.

:Seashell:

cheer
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cruise

I just read this after I posted the above@

I love you Seer!
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In previous explorations of human enlightenment, it has been of a singular event.

I believe we are experiencing it as a collective event at this place in space, and it is all the more enjoyable because of empathy and the magnificent, incredible, impossible feeling of sharing miracles.
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That is Empathy.

To know empathy is to feel Compassion for all Life and All that IS.



Wonderful aether. To me, that makes today worth it.

Seashell

cheer
 Quoting: Seer777


cruise

I just read this after I posted the above@

I love you Seer!
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grinning




banana




You know what they say about 'Great Minds'...

It's how we recognize one another.

In my experience.

WaveSurfers

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OK, I am done with my SAPiness.

I am going to bed.
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:WaveSurfers:

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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I feel the cool pucker just before she breaks.
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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WaveSurfers

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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I feel the cool pucker just before she breaks.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


You think its Real?


Because it seems like it couldn't be...but also that it may be.

Exhilarating either way.

:)
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I feel the cool pucker just before she breaks.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


You think its Real?


Because it seems like it couldn't be...but also that it may be.

Exhilarating either way.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Look at the subduction zone before it. She is sucking a deep trough before her. You can see the foamy swirl from the ripping of hydrostatic force against the skin of it.

Feel the plunge off the lip, like falling into an Idea or dream. Ecstasy at being part of the movable landscape and momentarily being provided it's force.

Damn
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Awesome!

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you have met sade? can you explain that bit more please. I'm a little confused lol

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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
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oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
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Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

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this is one of my favorite questions/discussions: what/who is Lucifer? (i'll refer to him as lucy)

and the first answer is always: many things to many people. absolute consensus does not exist and so in the end, you have to choose.


that being said, we can look at the old stories and within ourselves and think a bit.

lucy is/was an angel. there are many angels. angels are aspects of God's mind. so: angel =/= God, but part of God.

most agree on this interpretation.

further, lucy was named 'the bright light' of heaven. in some translations: the torch bearer. he was/is a pretty badass angel

then, something happened and he was 'removed' from the kingdom of heaven: lots of diferent stories around why and how, so we'll just leave it at the more simple what: somehow/why 'disconnected' from the rest of the angels and God.

thats the 'story' so far (well, my interpretation, anyway)

what follows is my own thought (subject to probable future change)

the angels are a metephores for the various aspects of God's mind. Since God and us are 'made in the same image', emerge from the same Rules, then all humans have analogs of the angels within us (or maybe a subset...?), including lucy.

this is important: Lucy is at one and the same time an angel and an aspect of the human mind. what ever we say about lucy , we say about ourselves: all of us.

what madame Blavatsky says is , in my opinion, partially correct.

Namely:

lucy = the logos = the logical mind = conscious ideas and processing. he is responsible for civilisation, much progress (in cleverness anyway) and independence.

he is the loudest voice in our conscious awareness: usually.
he has "ideas".

his aspect also gives rise to what i call 'the observer' within us. The one that always sees whats happening and will tell you (if u listen), but has no power to change anything or act in any way. The observer can be quite annoying when all you can do is hear his voice but haven't learned to rally the other aspects to actually implement change: sucks to watch one's self fail and have no power to change it.... this passes eventually, btw

his ideas are so strong, in fact, that we can be mislead by them, and can be infected by other human's ideas and be mislead by them as well, hence: the 'deceiver'

we have elevated him and his logical thought, his complexly beautifull ideas, as the 'guiding light' of our current civilisation (most of the last 12k years actually), or "god' in fact. our false god.

but that sad truth (for him and most/many? humans) is that, like our logical thought, lucy is limited, obsessed with control, and usually incorrect: a close aproximation perhaps, but in the end: off the mark.

his delishiously sweet ideas, so compelling, so easy to manipulate: mostly incorrect. usefull in the short term, but always off the mark if not guided by the deeper mind: the rest of the kingdom of heaven.

lucy is a fantastic pilot, but a terrible navigator.
The "all Father" that has lost his way cuz he denies the Mother.... and doesn't ever *listen*.

he is a strong (and very new) aspect to all our minds and a huge part of ascension is about realizing this truth and learning to put him in his proper place.

and listen to the true Navigator within.

just a little boy too full of his own awesomeness,,,,,

and whether we like it or not.


this will change.for some, that change will be devastating. and for others: liberating.

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