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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


i agree
ignore them
let our environment devour them

hi jad rockon
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ignore works when there is nothing else left...something like ignoring mistakes from the past...
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
 Quoting: memes are past 29208752


I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
 Quoting: aether


oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

hf
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

hf
 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


this is one of my favorite questions/discussions: what/who is Lucifer? (i'll refer to him as lucy)

and the first answer is always: many things to many people. absolute consensus does not exist and so in the end, you have to choose.


that being said, we can look at the old stories and within ourselves and think a bit.

lucy is/was an angel. there are many angels. angels are aspects of God's mind. so: angel =/= God, but part of God.

most agree on this interpretation.

further, lucy was named 'the bright light' of heaven. in some translations: the torch bearer. he was/is a pretty badass angel

then, something happened and he was 'removed' from the kingdom of heaven: lots of diferent stories around why and how, so we'll just leave it at the more simple what: somehow/why 'disconnected' from the rest of the angels and God.

thats the 'story' so far (well, my interpretation, anyway)

what follows is my own thought (subject to probable future change)

the angels are a metephores for the various aspects of God's mind. Since God and us are 'made in the same image', emerge from the same Rules, then all humans have analogs of the angels within us (or maybe a subset...?), including lucy.

this is important: Lucy is at one and the same time an angel and an aspect of the human mind. what ever we say about lucy , we say about ourselves: all of us.

what madame Blavatsky says is , in my opinion, partially correct.

Namely:

lucy = the logos = the logical mind = conscious ideas and processing. he is responsible for civilisation, much progress (in cleverness anyway) and independence.

he is the loudest voice in our conscious awareness: usually.
he has "ideas".

his aspect also gives rise to what i call 'the observer' within us. The one that always sees whats happening and will tell you (if u listen), but has no power to change anything or act in any way. The observer can be quite annoying when all you can do is hear his voice but haven't learned to rally the other aspects to actually implement change: sucks to watch one's self fail and have no power to change it.... this passes eventually, btw

his ideas are so strong, in fact, that we can be mislead by them, and can be infected by other human's ideas and be mislead by them as well, hence: the 'deceiver'

we have elevated him and his logical thought, his complexly beautifull ideas, as the 'guiding light' of our current civilisation (most of the last 12k years actually), or "god' in fact. our false god.

but that sad truth (for him and most/many? humans) is that, like our logical thought, lucy is limited, obsessed with control, and usually incorrect: a close aproximation perhaps, but in the end: off the mark.

his delishiously sweet ideas, so compelling, so easy to manipulate: mostly incorrect. usefull in the short term, but always off the mark if not guided by the deeper mind: the rest of the kingdom of heaven.

lucy is a fantastic pilot, but a terrible navigator.
The "all Father" that has lost his way cuz he denies the Mother.... and doesn't ever *listen*.

he is a strong (and very new) aspect to all our minds and a huge part of ascension is about realizing this truth and learning to put him in his proper place.

and listen to the true Navigator within.

just a little boy too full of his own awesomeness,,,,,

and whether we like it or not.


this will change.for some, that change will be devastating. and for others: liberating.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24542515


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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
 Quoting: memes are past 29208752


I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
 Quoting: Rayrayz


1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
 Quoting: aether


oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

hf
 Quoting: thank you 29208752


okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

hf
 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


this is one of my favorite questions/discussions: what/who is Lucifer? (i'll refer to him as lucy)

and the first answer is always: many things to many people. absolute consensus does not exist and so in the end, you have to choose.


that being said, we can look at the old stories and within ourselves and think a bit.

lucy is/was an angel. there are many angels. angels are aspects of God's mind. so: angel =/= God, but part of God.

most agree on this interpretation.

further, lucy was named 'the bright light' of heaven. in some translations: the torch bearer. he was/is a pretty badass angel

then, something happened and he was 'removed' from the kingdom of heaven: lots of diferent stories around why and how, so we'll just leave it at the more simple what: somehow/why 'disconnected' from the rest of the angels and God.

thats the 'story' so far (well, my interpretation, anyway)

what follows is my own thought (subject to probable future change)

the angels are a metephores for the various aspects of God's mind. Since God and us are 'made in the same image', emerge from the same Rules, then all humans have analogs of the angels within us (or maybe a subset...?), including lucy.

this is important: Lucy is at one and the same time an angel and an aspect of the human mind. what ever we say about lucy , we say about ourselves: all of us.

what madame Blavatsky says is , in my opinion, partially correct.

Namely:

lucy = the logos = the logical mind = conscious ideas and processing. he is responsible for civilisation, much progress (in cleverness anyway) and independence.

he is the loudest voice in our conscious awareness: usually.
he has "ideas".

and you're here to tell people to not listen those "ideas".


his aspect also gives rise to what i call 'the observer' within us. The one that always sees whats happening and will tell you (if u listen), but has no power to change anything or act in any way. The observer can be quite annoying when all you can do is hear his voice but haven't learned to rally the other aspects to actually implement change: sucks to watch one's self fail and have no power to change it.... this passes eventually, btw

his ideas are so strong, in fact, that we can be mislead by them, and can be infected by other human's ideas and be mislead by them as well, hence: the 'deceiver'

we have elevated him and his logical thought, his complexly beautifull ideas, as the 'guiding light' of our current civilisation (most of the last 12k years actually), or "god' in fact. our false god.

but that sad truth (for him and most/many? humans) is that, like our logical thought, lucy is limited, obsessed with control, and usually incorrect: a close aproximation perhaps, but in the end: off the mark.

No, not the "sad truth". It's some dude giving his half baked theories with no evidence other than his "intuition". Not truth.

his delishiously sweet ideas, so compelling, so easy to manipulate: mostly incorrect. usefull in the short term, but always off the mark if not guided by the deeper mind: the rest of the kingdom of heaven.
What would those be???
lucy is a fantastic pilot, but a terrible navigator.
The "all Father" that has lost his way cuz he denies the Mother.... and doesn't ever *listen*.
How the fuck do you know??
he is a strong (and very new) aspect to all our minds and a huge part of ascension is about realizing this truth and learning to put him in his proper place.
What? Enki/Lucifer is an ancient god that has been around for thousands of years.
and listen to the true Navigator within.

just a little boy too full of his own awesomeness,,,,,
Ok, you are a weird christard or just have an unusual passive aggressive nature about you.
and whether we like it or not.
Sounds vindictive and nasty... get a strong "deceiver" vibe from you.

this will change.for some, that change will be devastating. and for others: liberating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24542515

Replies in red...

Here is another 'take' on Lucifer:

One of the oldest Gods known to mankind, dating back over 12,000 years ago in the first human civilisations. Enki was known to be the leader of a group of Gods who came to aid humanity, offering knowledge and guidance.

The idea of the Devil was a blanket concept used to group many old gods together as being antagonistic towards humanity's development, which we know to be false through communcations with these beings and close study of history and mythology. Enki has been known as Lucifer - the Morning Star
Melek Ta'us
In Sumeria as Enki - Master of the Earth, Ea - Bringer of Knowledge
in Egypt as Ptah - The Creator
and in many other cultures branching from Celtic, Nordic and Greek all the way back to the original human settlements.

[link to www.enkiea.org]

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Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
 Quoting: memes are past 29208752


I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
 Quoting: Rayrayz


1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
 Quoting: landa 29208752


Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
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The idea of the Devil was a blanket concept used to group many old gods together as being antagonistic towards humanity's development, which we know to be false through communcations with these beings and close study of history and mythology. Enki has been known as Lucifer - the Morning Star
Melek Ta'us
In Sumeria as Enki - Master of the Earth, Ea - Bringer of Knowledge
in Egypt as Ptah - The Creator


the ancient communcation is all around us if you can feel it ;) Seeing has shit to do with it at this point...



hf
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what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
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I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
 Quoting: Rayrayz


1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
 Quoting: landa 29208752


Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
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I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
 Quoting: Rayrayz


1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
 Quoting: landa 29208752


Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Well I don't feel that's the right answer lol

hf
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and besides humans can be divine :P
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1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Well I don't feel that's the right answer lol

hf
 Quoting: x 29208752


k...I'm not going to jump on the soap box and proclaim that I hold the ultimate truth...

It's just my opinion man...



hf

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humans can do things that gods can't and vice versa...sigh I need to find some music chuckle

hf
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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Well I don't feel that's the right answer lol

hf
 Quoting: x 29208752


k...I'm not going to jump on the soap box and proclaim that I hold the ultimate truth...

It's just my opinion man...



hf
 Quoting: Rayrayz


chuckle
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and besides humans can be divine :P
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Yeah...I hear ya...but being a divine human would put you in a higher consciousness level than humans...So they would be ticking at a higher frequency...Not really humans other than their physiology.
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Elephants Hold Apparent Vigil To Mourn Their Human Friend


"Lawrence Anthony was a conservationist and author known as "The Elephant Whisperer" who passed away on March 2nd.


In 1999, Anthony rescued and rehabilitated a group of wild South African elephants who were deemed dangerous. And the animals appear to remember what he did for them: when Anthony passed away, a group of elephants visited his house in the South African KwaZulu for a two-day vigil, according to his family.

Anthony, who grew up in rural Zimbabwe, Zambia and Malawi, was known for his unique ability to communicate with and calm traumatized elephants. In his book 'The Elephant Whisperer: My Life with the Herd in the African Wild', he tells the story of saving the elephant herds, at the request of an animal welfare organization.

Anthony concluded that the only way he could save these elephants, who were categorized as violent and unruly, was to live with them - "To save their lives, I would stay with them, feed them, talk to them. But, most importantly, be with them day and night".

When Anthony died of a heart attack, the elephants, who were grazing miles away in different parts of the park, travelled over 12 hours to reach his house. According to his son Jason, both herds arrived shortly after Anthony's death. They hadn't visited the compound where Anthony lived for a year and a half, but Jason says

"in coming up there on that day of all days, we certainly believe that they had sensed it"
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[link to www.cbc.ca]




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 Quoting: Seer777


That story raised a wonderful feeling in me seerstar.

We were once much closer to elephants than we are now I believe, and bigger.

[link to i.imgur.com]
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looks like the vortice is going in (in bound/entering)
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Why are the lambs legs bound?

What does this hint at?

Fate?

or

Non-compliance?

They are also crossed like an 'X'.


The starfish, resemble 'serpent stars', which I kept in my reef tank for a decade. They are very dynamic in the way they move...



hmm
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when "innocence" (lamb) does not know what is happening it is "tethered"(contained) until the event is complete for it`s own safety
seen in innocence`s duality expressions (twins) being contained simultaneously until event is completed
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That would make a lot of sense.
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Diabolically divine is the human condition imho.

We have all spectrum's within us, it is if we so choose to act upon them, choice... ahhh but to choose correctly, is there a right choice, or is the choice you make no matter the choice right because you made it.

Have I already made all my choices on another time line and right now I am just trying to understand them!!!

On another timeline I am diabolical on another divine, on this one I feel like the lamb, tied and bound, but my eyes are open, observing watching witnessing my choices, that I have already made, understanding myself more with each choice.

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and besides humans can be divine :P
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Yeah...I hear ya...but being a divine human would put you in a higher consciousness level than humans...So they would be ticking at a higher frequency...Not really humans other than their physiology.
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devil mocks their every step... hiding Unknown fate for those involved. No prediction can be made...even so...I side on the angels...swords of power ;)

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Diabolically divine is the human condition imho.

We have all spectrum's within us, it is if we so choose to act upon them, choice... ahhh but to choose correctly, is there a right choice, or is the choice you make no matter the choice right because you made it.

Have I already made all my choices on another time line and right now I am just trying to understand them!!!

On another timeline I am diabolical on another divine, on this one I feel like the lamb, tied and bound, but my eyes are open, observing watching witnessing my choices, that I have already made, understanding myself more with each choice.

scratching
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hf
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Double Layers in Laboratory and Cosmic Plasmas
Dec 07, 2012

Electric double layers are like waterfalls that energize charged particles falling through them.

“We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture.”

— Hannes Alfvén

A double layer forms in plasma when electric charge flows through it. Double layers are found in the plasma environment of Earth, as well as around the stars, creating phenomena like aurorae and electromagnetic radiation from pulsars...................

..................According to Alfvén and others, electric power flows along the spiral arms of a galactic circuit where it is concentrated and stored in a central plasmoid within the galactic bulge. When the current density reaches a critical threshold, the plasmoid discharges along the galaxy’s spin axis as an energetic jet of plasma. That phenomenon has been replicated in the laboratory with a plasma focus device.

Cosmic plasmas and their activity can be replicated in the laboratory, allowing insights into the large-scale structures that populate the Universe. Since gravitational forces cannot be examined in the laboratory, consensus opinions about the gravity-only model of celestial objects suffer from a moribund condition. Hopefully, a fresh perspective will outshine the dark conditions that dominate today’s approach.
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soon we will all become familiar with the label plasmoid

A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields.Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning, magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere, and objects in cometary tails, in the solar wind, in the solar atmosphere, and in the heliospheric current sheet.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

imagine the sensation caused when our authorities tell that the lights in our sky that express intelligent motion and prompt emotional contact knowing upon our close encounter with them are the same structural processes that are the governing influence of our galaxy and every galaxy

the only difference is scale between the plasmoid`s that visit and our central plasmoid, is scale

that is our new universe
a universe that knowing it`s nature alters our memory thus alters us within the process of knowing tounge

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okay that /z\ flashes our kabbalah symbol/sign
big time

seems our sign by design is keen to assist navigation tounge
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Cook points to 685 BCE as a time when the Earth’s axis shifted from 30 degrees to today’s 23.5 degrees due to Venus’ nova flare-up. As he states:

“Venus and Mercury blazed like suns in 685 BC (the year corrected from Eastern Mediterranean chronology) for 40 days, as the result of an unprecedented output by the Sun, which was brought on by the sudden reduction in the orbit of Mercury in the year previous. This electrical event changed the inclination of the Earth's axis.

In 685 BC the Earth's axis relocated from the center of the pan of Ursa Major to a location nearer Kochab (called "pole star" in ancient sources) in Ursa Minor over a period of 40 days. Discussed in the chapter "The Hour of Phaethon."

There is some evidence that the Earth once had an axial inclination of 26 degrees at the end of the era of the gods in 3147 BCE, and Cook explores this. In one of the later known catastrophes in the third millenium the Earth would have assumed a change to 30 degrees.

Also, he posits there were various Earth shocks that caused a temporary shift in axis, but like a gyroscope the globe reverted itself.

“As recalled by nearly all peoples on all the continents, the most terrifying incident happened in 2349 BC when an alignment with Venus (20 million miles away at that time) produced an Earth shock in the northern hemisphere, tilting the Earth's axis away from the Sun temporarily, and tilting up the equatorial rings of the Earth. This was followed perhaps six hours later by the arrival of a massive disconnected plasmoid lightning bolt from Venus which hit the rings almost broadside, followed somewhat later by lesser bolts, recorded in Mesoamerica and China.”

As for the possibility of Earth having once experienced polar reversals he is clear:

“The Earth never turned over -- at least not completely and certainly not permanently. This had been suggested by Velikovsky and others, but is a nearly impossible notion. I dispute this and discuss the origins of these notions in the Appendix "Polar Relocations Disputed."

The axial inclination change in 685 BCE was psychologically a big deal, in that it oriented the constellations differently, and moved the equinox 15 degrees. This brought in the notion that there was a god outside the heavenly dome, for how else could the entire reality have shifted so decisively. This was the unseen hand of god, not an obvious planetary god. After this event, the known gods deserted Earth for distant orbits, and the unseen god that had shifted the heavens was the greater god that humans could ponder on.

As he states:

“The change in the location in space to which the rotational axis of the Earth pointed is a change in the inclination of Earth's axis with respect to the orbit. After 685 BC the Earth was differently inclined toward the Sun; the climate would have changed. However, the change in the axial inclination would not significantly move the tropics or temperate zones, although it would move the Arctic Circle with respect to the pole. It would also not change the seasonal variation in climate. Climatic disturbances and fluctuations have been noted, however.

The orbit of Earth also remained the same. Only the starting date of the year shifted -- by two weeks. A relocation of the vernal (and autumnal) equinox did not alter the calendars and would not have been noticed by farmers.

Although the altered sky was noted by everyone, the change in the equinox was only noticed by the astrologers and philosophers of the Middle East, Europe, China, and Mesoamerica. The sky had not really been thrown into disarray, but it had been moved -- suddenly twisted -- and, as was later observed, the equinox continued to rotate ever so slowly through the constellation Aries and further away from Taurus. It invalidated the tables which were used in Babylon to determine the start of the year and the predictions of lunar eclipses. The paths of the planets were confused and those tables also had to be redone.

Before 685 BC, the intersection of the equatorial and the ecliptic was directly below the Pleiades. Thus the Pleiades were seen directly above the rising Sun at the spring equinox. This is attested to worldwide, and matches retrocalculations for the previous location of the Earth's rotational axis. There was no precession of the equinoxes before 747 BC.

Note this last sentence, as this makes clear that various scholars, ie. Graham Hancock and others are incorrect in thinking that Earth's current precession is many thousands of years old. The trip through the zodiac that we know in our current astrology began only in the first millenia BCE.

In Cook’s chapter on Olmec Site Alignments he goes into detail showing how various temple sites were oriented based on both the previous 30 degree axis and the later 23.5 degrees. This is more conclusive proof that temple building was all about marking these important ending and beginning of eras, and can be pinned down to exact dates!

“February 28, 747 BC -- This date, representing the change in the length of the year in 747 BC, is firmly established from considerations of the Long Count, and it is also established with the first Olmec sites of La Venta and Tres Zapotes. Especially at La Venta it is significant that the alignment was revised after 685 BC to correspond to the new axial inclination of the Earth.

Alignments pointing to April 19, 1492 BC, occur at the Olmec sites of San Lorenzo, La Venta, and Cerro De La Mesas, and can also be implied for Laguna de los Cerros and Tres Zapotes -- all conformed to a 30-degree axial inclination. These also occur at three sites in the Valley of Mexico. At the important site of Cholula in the Valley of Mexico, the horizon location for April 19 is defined under the condition of the current inclination of the Earth's axis."
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the first thing that comes to mind as we begin to superimpose remote sensing/viewing over physical evidence of events experienced is our planetary realignments process (systems/families merging) continued up until quite close (recent) to our location (linear time) today

this will have significant implications upon our most popular (well known) history scripts commonly known as "bible" because our hebrew`s did possess writing capability/expression between 1200 bc to 1 ad of our common linear calendar

thinking about it our current pope is engaged in this process , in fact he has set the precedent (authorized) in this era exactly what we are doing

we are legal/lawful pope

I haven't followed this at all, but it sounds pretty interesting.

(CNN) -- It's Christmas, but not as you know it: a new book released this week by Pope Benedict XVI looks at the early life of Jesus -- and debunks several myths about how the Nativity unfolded.

In "Jesus of Nazareth -- The Infancy Narratives," the pope says the Christian calendar is actually based on a blunder by a sixth century monk, who Benedict says was several years off in his calculation of Jesus' birth date.

According to the pope's research, there is also no evidence in the Gospels that the cattle and other animals traditionally pictured gathered around the manger were actually present.

He also debunks the claim that angels sang at the birth, a staple theme of Christmas carols.

The book, which is being published in multiple languages in time for Christmas, is the third in a series by the pontiff. The previous two volumes dealt with Jesus' adult life and his public ministry.

Alessandro Speciale, Vatican correspondent for the Religion News Service, told CNN the pope was not so much aiming to debunk myths as trying to show that the Jesus depicted in the Gospels is a real historical figure, who walked on earth and talked to people like anyone else.

The pope also looks at scholarly studies of the Bible, some of which have indicated for decades that the traditionally accepted birth date for Jesus is wrong,
Speciale said.
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 Quoting: Septenary Man

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On July 14th Jupiter released a return lightning bolt at the Sun. This was seen worldwide.

The series of changes in 685 BC was the cause of extensive confusion. The problem would be immaterial from our perspective, but was of the greatest theological concern to Mesoamerica. The exact date that the previous creation had ended needed to be determined. The possibilities included July 9th, when Jupiter first flared up, understood as rising from death, July 14th, when a plasmoid was released from Jupiter, understood as a decision by Jupiter to stop Mars from further interference with Earth, and July 25th, when the initial plasmoid landed at the Sun (although assumed to have been destined for Mars), which was seen as an extension of the current creation -- rather than an end of one creation and the start of a new creation.
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july 25
my birthday tounge

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I sometimes film Orbs, take still shots from the film and enhance with brightness/contrast filters. On the 23rd Nov 2012, I captured many orbs with may faces, some quite alien looking but two stood out from the rest...they clearly show Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler. Churchill even has a cigar stub sticking out of his mouth. The orbs each show these people quite clearly without any enhancement.

I have just posted on this thread Thread: ANY CONVINCING GHOST PHOTOS OR STORIES ? but thread seems a bit dead now so put this up for anyone interersted...



Enjoy...
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Thread: ORBS I FILMED IN MY HOUSE. TWO VERY SPECIAL GUESTS VISITED ME THAT NIGHT... UPDATED WITH VIDEO OF CHURCHILL'S ORB.
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Amongst the many unexplained events that occur around the world, levitation ranks right up there because it can be witnessed, in person, by believers and skeptics. It doesn't occur in space or way up in the sky, like UFO sightings. This piece of film is interesting because there doesn't seem to be an opportunity for the monk who levitates, to attach a wire to himself. It would take more than one wire to keep him perfectly level, and that is not apparent in the film. Take a look. You decide.
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Thread: Man Levitates. Must See!! No strings, no wires

notice posters emotional reaction to the possibility
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Amongst the many unexplained events that occur around the world, levitation ranks right up there because it can be witnessed, in person, by believers and skeptics. It doesn't occur in space or way up in the sky, like UFO sightings. This piece of film is interesting because there doesn't seem to be an opportunity for the monk who levitates, to attach a wire to himself. It would take more than one wire to keep him perfectly level, and that is not apparent in the film. Take a look. You decide.
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Thread: Man Levitates. Must See!! No strings, no wires

notice posters emotional reaction to the possibility
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strangely to our emotions, today around our world most people expect conscious self levitation to be an ability we possess if we dedicate ourselves to it`s achievement
this i know from visiting our emotional cultural expectation in their countries of origin to experience their fear boundaries
levitation is not within their fear boundary

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in our new to us universe the physics of self levitation is expressed as "altering ones electrically generated magnetic field by will" tounge
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in our new to us universe the physics of self levitation is expressed as "altering ones electrically generated magnetic field by will" tounge
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remembering in our self aware environment motive for doing so is as vital as knowing how to do it

you and all that is not you (2) tounge

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