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carrington effect.
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where tounge
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Soon. As you know.

It. Maybe artificial as the term "bin lauden" keeps resurfacing.

Tomorrow is the 8th.

Perhaps the 8's know.

You could always ask them..

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1987Alit

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Wow.

What is that?


:)
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remembering our memory is this:

the key to the past is to be willing to know
that in a newtonian universe nothing can go
accept as a fact that gravity is not king
it`s then that our myths can begin to sing
planets once free to not stay in one spot
makes sense of history as you get the plot
this is new to all others as it is to you
one hundred plus years since the notion occurred
within our secret societies something stirred
all that were touched soon began to acknowledge
secrets they kept made sense with this knowledge
 Quoting: aether


our future inclusive of this day is:

times arriving are not as destructive as before
it`s not the planets movements doing it any more
this time around we have energy inward bound
and it`s not nearly so bad as it might sound
the most significant effect you can be sure
is inducing thoughts for all minds to explore
the information will appear brand new not old
as this dose of energy allows feelings to unfold
it may not always be just an easy endeavor
but a worthy way to become naturally clever
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1987Alit

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Wow.

What is that?


:)
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that is Supernova 1987A ( same year my son Ryan was born 7/11/87)

it is considered the pineal gland of our universe :)

[link to www.hiddenmeanings.com]
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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1987Alit

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Wow.

What is that?


:)
 Quoting: Seer777


that is Supernova 1987A ( same year my son Ryan was born 7/11/87)

it is considered the pineal gland of our universe :)

[link to www.hiddenmeanings.com]
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


Unreal...


It appears to be forming the Vesica.

It looks like a giant eye.

Beautiful.

:)
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Tell me if you will love, when you, me and Dion were riding that wave last night, what did you feel?

:)
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Contentment.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Interesting.


So happy in a sense.

Nicely balanced.

Excellent.

cool2
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But, remember, I am biased when seeing and speaking about surfing. It is very emotional to me, not only when surfing, but when seeing images of it as well.

:teahupoo2:
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lmao you're looking at a 'Rode-in' coil with optimal winding angle depicted in the board vector -)
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carrington effect.
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where tounge
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Soon. As you know.

It. Maybe artificial as the term "bin lauden" keeps resurfacing.

Tomorrow is the 8th.

Perhaps the 8's know.

You could always ask them..

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i do not see it within earths noticeable future
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Contentment.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Interesting.


So happy in a sense.

Nicely balanced.

Excellent.

cool2
 Quoting: Seer777


But, remember, I am biased when seeing and speaking about surfing. It is very emotional to me, not only when surfing, but when seeing images of it as well.

:teahupoo2:
 Quoting: Septenary Man


lmao you're looking at a 'Rode-in' coil with optimal winding angle depicted in the board vector -)
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well that is a tingle prompt , left side, spine outwards thumbs
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Interesting.


So happy in a sense.

Nicely balanced.

Excellent.

cool2
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But, remember, I am biased when seeing and speaking about surfing. It is very emotional to me, not only when surfing, but when seeing images of it as well.

:teahupoo2:
 Quoting: Septenary Man


lmao you're looking at a 'Rode-in' coil with optimal winding angle depicted in the board vector -)
 Quoting: just a dude


well that is a tingle prompt , left side, spine outwards thumbs
 Quoting: aether


have you been getting warm right ear tones lately as well ? and my brow chakra is itching( actually my hole face like after you take it off something that vibrates ) it feels like because of vibrations going on at the moment lmao
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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and besides humans can be divine :P
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humans ARE divine.
so is everything else.... even, and sometimes, especially, the stuff that hurts or even looks 'ugly'.

it really is too bad so many don't see it that way.
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I agree with you :)

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Interesting.


So happy in a sense.

Nicely balanced.

Excellent.

cool2
 Quoting: Seer777


But, remember, I am biased when seeing and speaking about surfing. It is very emotional to me, not only when surfing, but when seeing images of it as well.

:teahupoo2:
 Quoting: Septenary Man


lmao you're looking at a 'Rode-in' coil with optimal winding angle depicted in the board vector -)
 Quoting: just a dude


well that is a tingle prompt , left side, spine outwards thumbs
 Quoting: aether



Yes. I was musing on the same earlier.



I wrote this and then decided not to post it...


I don't remember if I felt something or not, Seer.
I get strange energy surges and whatever all the time. It is like the other week when aether and I were feeling similar physical sensations at the same time. Well, if he had not mentioned it, I would have felt it, and forgotten about it within an hour or so.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You would remember if you had...

hmm


Focus it seems, IS precisely direct with little or no spill over unless desired.

Intent directed, regardless of potential environmental influence, unless wobble is introduced.


Perhaps being nothing more than having ones 'receiver' switch turned to 'on' or turning 'off' party line.

Don't mind me, just musing.


hmm
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there is that 7/3 again Seer , our day is respectively a 3/7 day as well 1+2=3/7 hmm

Thread: 7.3 Earthquake is it a precursor???..Swarm of earthquakes in Japan today!!!

is this a singularity day for those tuned in ? hmm

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" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
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You would remember if you had...

hmm


Focus it seems, IS precisely direct with little or no spill over unless desired.

Intent directed, regardless of potential environmental influence, unless wobble is introduced.


Perhaps being nothing more than having ones 'receiver' switch turned to 'on' or turning 'off' party line.

Don't mind me, just musing.


hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


same process as you and "all that is not you"

unique emotional configuration fits (makes sense) = both experience the emotion (information)
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You would remember if you had...

hmm


Focus it seems, IS precisely direct with little or no spill over unless desired.

Intent directed, regardless of potential environmental influence, unless wobble is introduced.


Perhaps being nothing more than having ones 'receiver' switch turned to 'on' or turning 'off' party line.

Don't mind me, just musing.


hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


same process as you and "all that is not you"

unique emotional configuration fits (makes sense) = both experience the emotion (information)
 Quoting: aether


nothing else can unless you re transmit (tell)

always by default transmission (signal) through "all this is not you" (medium)
so always 2 or more share (synergy)
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
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That is the way of things it seems.

ouroboros

vortex



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.


hf
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
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That is the way of things it seems.

ouroboros

vortex



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.


hf
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Memory holes and localities always change the effect.
nothing new
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
 Quoting: new territory 29208752


That is the way of things it seems.

:ouroboros:

:vortex:



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.



hf
 Quoting: Seer777


yeah...your not telling me anything new Seer. I don't fight against it. this is not my thread I was just saying what I have felt. Lucy is mysteriously interesting but that's just me it seems.

hf
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And happy beer fridays....and since we're talking Slavonisms: za zdarOvye!
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
 Quoting: new territory 29208752


That is the way of things it seems.

ouroboros

vortex



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.



hf
 Quoting: Seer777


yeah...your not telling me anything new Seer. I don't fight against it. this is not my thread I was just saying what I have felt. Lucy is mysteriously interesting but that's just me it seems.

hf
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I don't think Lucifer is much of a mystery: It is what occurs when you practice pure logic looking at a wave rather than being it.

You can gain the world through number crunching but lose your soul.
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And happy beer fridays....and since we're talking Slavonisms: za zdarOvye!
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
 Quoting: new territory 29208752


That is the way of things it seems.

ouroboros

vortex



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.


hf
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rofl

i was going to post guide to compatibility is what is environment reaction (feedback) and do the cause of environment feedback (people) notice in similar fashion to each other
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Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.



 Quoting: Seer777


Memory holes and localities always change the effect.

 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Indeed.


I am sure all here have re-watched an adored movie from childhood, only to have a completely different experience when watching it years later.

As base 'knowledge' builds, a new experiences can and will be gleaned while viewing the same information again.

As you know.

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mmmmm,, german beer night dion,,

how wonderful indeed,,

raises glass,,


much love,,
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
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That is the way of things it seems.

:ouroboros:

:vortex:



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.


hf
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Memory holes and localities always change the effect.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


inconvienient or unpleasant information...did not mean to bring that in here if that that is how it was percieved. I am thinking in the larger picture now. Asking questions I have never thought before. I am sorry if that does not fit in this thread. After much thought after deleating my accout I thought this would be the one place anything could be asked. Guess not.

hf

hf
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
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That is the way of things it seems.

:ouroboros:

:vortex:



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.



hf
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yeah...your not telling me anything new Seer. I don't fight against it. this is not my thread I was just saying what I have felt. Lucy is mysteriously interesting but that's just me it seems.

hf
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I don't think Lucifer is much of a mystery: It is what occurs when you practice pure logic looking at a wave rather than being it.

You can gain the world through number crunching but lose your soul.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Well maybe you have studied such things more than I have. So to me it is interesting. I didn't understand the second part of your post. What does souls have to do with it?
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inconvienient or unpleasant information...did not mean to bring that in here if that that is how it was percieved. I am thinking in the larger picture now. Asking questions I have never thought before. I am sorry if that does not fit in this thread. After much thought after deleating my accout I thought this would be the one place anything could be asked. Guess not.

hf

hf
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Perhaps it just wasn't the proper time love. Many topics get left behind only to resurface at their proper time.

For greatest impact.

Seems to work that way I have noticed.

Like Magic...


I wouldn't take it as a slight against you. You did get several keen responses.

hugs

Last Edited by Seer777 on 12/07/2012 01:44 PM
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Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.



 Quoting: Seer777


Memory holes and localities always change the effect.

 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Indeed.


I am sure all here have re-watched an adored movie from childhood, only to have a completely different experience when watching it years later.

As base 'knowledge' builds, a new experiences can and will be gleaned while viewing the same information again.

As you know.

cool2
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Exactly, even who we thought we were and potentially project ourselves to be is tested in regard to a known point. As by definition it gives a closed relative value as to describe effect.
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That is the way of things it seems.

ouroboros

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Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.



hf
 Quoting: Seer777


yeah...your not telling me anything new Seer. I don't fight against it. this is not my thread I was just saying what I have felt. Lucy is mysteriously interesting but that's just me it seems.

hf
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I don't think Lucifer is much of a mystery: It is what occurs when you practice pure logic looking at a wave rather than being it.

You can gain the world through number crunching but lose your soul.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Well maybe you have studied such things more than I have. So to me it is interesting. I didn't understand the second part of your post. What does souls have to do with it?
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Everything, as we are our very own Veil and Lucifer overlay.
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around and around in circles we go on this thread. It makes my brain hurt lol It seems like this thread repeats topics often with the same responses as in the past. I don't understand if a topic has been done to death. why go back and repeat? I have been wanting to ask that about this thread for a while now lol This thread seemed to step into exciting new territory all the time in the past...I don't know my topic from yesterday from the start wasn't flowing with anybody then wanted to be ignored. I am not flowing with anyone anymore really on this thread. I got the hint last night when it was told to ignore my topic. Aether you are super smart but this just might not be the place for me anymore in this thread. I did try to come back and participate with you in particular but my questions don't fit with your topics.
 Quoting: new territory 29208752


That is the way of things it seems.

:ouroboros:

:vortex:



Why do people re-watch movies they have seen before?

For what purpose?

And, which types of movies are those which are oft revisited? It's the ones that inspire imagination and critical thinking and humor.


Topics come when they come. One can flow with it, or fight against it.

I personally ignored your topic yesterday because I was riding an entire different stream of thought and didn't feel like discussing the mysterious 'Lucifer'.


hf
 Quoting: Seer777


rofl

i was going to post guide to compatibility is what is environment reaction (feedback) and do the cause of environment feedback (people) notice in similar fashion to each other
 Quoting: aether


So my topic wasn't compatiable with what was being discussed in the thread yesterday so that's why it was ignored Or I am just alot dumber than you guys so this topic is so boring to you...because you probably have it figured out where as I don't so that's where my questions came from a place of trying to understand.

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