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- ? Nus.

-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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fairly stated, Ray.

and guilty as charged, about the occasional 'cocksure' bit anyway.

*sardonic grin* we all have our little battles.

but i do not just make stuff up. i have deeply considered most of what i write about, even if the actual expression in the moment is 'fluid'.

and i admit to having gaps in my knowledge and usually welcome a polite "hey did you know...?". Don't let my confidence stop you or give you the idea that i wont listen.

Well, I was over aggressive in my original reply to you. So I apologize for that.

that being said, how do you propose that i 'back up' my statements? when we talk of a thing bearly belived in. muchless properly explored.

I require it. Most people do in fact. Except for the naive and gullible. Or people that just believe something that they 'feel' is right and it makes them feel good.

I have an issue with that kind of logic I guess.


its not like i can show you my data: it consists of days and days and days of hoovering up cyberspace, science and experience. years of observation and synthisis. and like most metaphysical (deep mind) research the proof is in the personal pudding.

Sure you can. Most people posting on here leave links or sources. It's not that hard. You're obviously computer and internet savvy.




instead of pointing to some culture that says that lucy is 'good' (that that i ever said he was not good) and then using that as some proof that i'm making shit up, why not pick an actual point in my argumant and tell mt how you see it diferent. i care much more about your personal ideas and expewrience than i do some dead cultures preistly ideas.

I was posting that source to show the opposite opinion of yours. That site has the same cocksure conviction that you do.

So who's right?

They are both kooky perspectives imo...Hell, they even know what Enki's favorite bands are...and his height and weight!


Here is a more conservative link:

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition usually reveres Lucifer, not as the Devil, but as a rescuer or guiding spirit[1] or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[2]

Luciferianism is identified by some people as an auxiliary of Satanism, due to the popular identification of Lucifer with Satan. Some Luciferians accept this identification or consider Lucifer the light bearer aspect of Satan.[1] Others reject it, arguing that Lucifer is a more positive ideal than Satan.
[quote/]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I'm not a Luciferian btw...Just giving a more mainline description of Lucifer.

so.

if you got a beef with my words. pick 'em out and show me where i done bad.

i been wrong way more den i been right.

I did in my original reply. I thought my "picking" was pretty thorough.

I can dissect and analyze it more to do some hyper picking if you want.

Also, it was just that post that I found faulty. Not your overall writings on the site.


bring it on, Bro

Oh...It's already been 'broughten'! ;)
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ah, the conversation continues: sweet.

i'll respond in more depth tomorrow morning when my mind functions in that special morning way...

/nod
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ugh: i hate long quotes.

you know? embedding your responce inside of my previous post makes a long discussion difficult to follow.

just sayin'


so.

"Or people that just believe something that they 'feel' is right and it makes them feel good.

I have an issue with that kind of logic I guess."


one should start at feeling and then logically progress. it is neither logical nor illogical to begin with feelings. logic is a process, a type of path... a means.

logic depends entirely on assumtions and only produces correct 'results' when all the variables are acounted for. for this reason, logic often leeds us astray, particulalrly when we are blind to more than half of the 'equation'.

if i had to choose feeling over logic, i'd go feeling without question. and the times i didn't i slammed mind first into false conclusions arrived at using impecible logic but based on an incorrect variable set.

you can either dispute my logic or my initial assumtions, but don't call me illogical when pointing at my assumtion set.

...

"Sure you can. Most people posting on here leave links or sources. It's not that hard."

This assumes that all of my ideas originate in cyberspace and are a result of reading someone else's ideas. Many of my ideas come from within and are based on a chaoitic data set of experience, observation, and somatic responce.

dispute my words on their own content rather than by their lack of a referance list. you are welcome to use another's words to do this if you like, but an idea is not automatically invalid simply because it is without precidence.

...

on to the actual subject:

"I was posting that source to show the opposite opinion of yours. That site has the same cocksure conviction that you do.

So who's right?

They are both kooky perspectives imo...Hell, they even know what Enki's favorite bands are...and his height and weight!


Here is a more conservative link:

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition usually reveres Lucifer, not as the Devil, but as a rescuer or guiding spirit[1] or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[2]

Luciferianism is identified by some people as an auxiliary of Satanism, due to the popular identification of Lucifer with Satan. Some Luciferians accept this identification or consider Lucifer the light bearer aspect of Satan.[1] Others reject it, arguing that Lucifer is a more positive ideal than Satan."



so you continue to speak using other's words. i would like to here *your* actual ideas, as i already mentioned.

as to the words above:
they don't actually *define* lucy, they just say he's a good guy and then say how some lucifaritans go with satasim and some don't: do we really care about this fact?

"venerate the essential charcteristics affixed to lucifer"

so what *are* these characteristics, in your mind?

/curious

and finally: the above referance does not actually dispute my words: i make no value judgements about lucy and speak of both possitive and negative aspects and of ballance.

there is plenty of 'reason' to venerate lucy and i spoke highly of many of his atributes.

but to call him God?

this is deeply misguided in my opinion.
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ugh: i hate long quotes.

you know? embedding your responce inside of my previous post makes a long discussion difficult to follow.


Well, try discussing something in realtime...You were online at the time but decided to wait until the next day to reply. I was away for a few days so it would have been the time to have a discussion then...



one should start at feeling and then logically progress. it is neither logical nor illogical to begin with feelings. logic is a process, a type of path... a means.

I take all information into account and use my intuition to come to a conclusion. I don't discount using intuition or 'feeling' but it's certainly not the best way to approach many subjects if you have no information to base it on.

and let's not let this drift into new age/metaphysical Candyland...The subject was your 'channeled' story of Lucifer.

If you want to have a broader conversation about my philosophy/world view then start a new thread so it doesn't clutter Aether's thread...Call it "breakfast with Ray" or something...lol


Having said that, I try to follow some general rules when sifting through information.

Here are a few:

1-Is there any evidence(other than 'channeled' feelings)
2-does it come from a trustworthy source
3-Is the research/information biased in any way or built upon a false foundation of beliefs, such as a person having strong religious beliefs or false delusions...and I don't just mean Christianity, Judaism, and Islam...I believe that the New age religion has people every bit as religious as the "big 3" followers are...but the overall message is less harmful and usually peaceful.






logic depends entirely on assumtions and only produces correct 'results' when all the variables are acounted for. for this reason, logic often leeds us astray, particulalrly when we are blind to more than half of the 'equation'.


Totally disagree.

Sure, using faulty logic leads us astray sometimes, but no where near as much as 'feelings' do. It's obviously very easy to manipulate peoples feelings to do your bidding. It's why the mindfuckers use emotive programming to manipulate us like a bunch of scared sheep.

What do you think propaganda and societal engineering is based on? The 'bad' guys feed of our 'feelings'.

If people used logic instead of running around like chickens with their heads cut off, we would be a much healthier society.

If we used our feelings as the basis for the foundation of our logic/critical thinking, we would be very easily manipulated and led astray...


if i had to choose feeling over logic, i'd go feeling without question. and the times i didn't i slammed mind first into false conclusions arrived at using impecible logic but based on an incorrect variable set.


Good luck with that...

so you continue to speak using other's words. i would like to here *your* actual ideas, as i already mentioned.

I used my own words and stated my opinion very clearly in my last post.

I will continue to leave links and information to outside sources when stating my opinion.


and finally: the above reference does not actually dispute my words: i make no value judgements about lucy and speak of both possitive and negative aspects and of ballance.

there is plenty of 'reason' to venerate lucy and i spoke highly of many of his atributes.

but to call him God?

this is deeply misguided in my opinion.



It seems you have made up some kind of imaginary character and named it Lucifer.

Might as well call it Gizmo or Fluffy. Why insist on calling it an actual religious/mythological deity?

It's a story you concocted using your imagination and hard-selling it as the truth.
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Sorry Aether that I did not make that connection that day hf
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it`s a beautiful translation and it is yours

i go warm and woozy when i see it, that is it`s sensation to me
not the meaning
that may not be for anyone but you
likely true hugs
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Sorry Aether that I did not make that connection that day hf
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it`s a beautiful translation and it is yours

i go warm and woozy when i see it, that is it`s sensation to me
not the meaning
that may not be for anyone but you
likely true hugs
 Quoting: aether


hugs that felt like a new beginning to me when I drew that as it came thru .. so many things transpired during that time and Yes it was as if I had been ignited hf
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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"towards, drawn; irresistable"

like strings of smoke,
connecting us;
can you feel the pull
as your heart leaps?

~H
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rayofhope2

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but i am prompted to say this with a tone in my left ear

triangle = sun

circle on right is earth with cube/diamond etc. inside
magnetosphere is what is coming of the circle

so do we see the emotional information sequence between sun and earth

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"towards, drawn; irresistable"

like strings of smoke,
connecting us;
can you feel the pull
as your heart leaps?

~H
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awwwwwwwww
double hugs hugshugs
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rayofhope2

tounge
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but i am prompted to say this with a tone in my left ear

triangle = sun

circle on right is earth with cube/diamond etc. inside
magnetosphere is what is coming of the circle

so do we see the emotional information sequence between sun and earth
 Quoting: aether



Ignition .... Love/Electro/Magnetism

?
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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The eternal return....

The twilight of the gods
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

snake and dragon theme in this picture
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How is earth and sun going to naturaly balance that tone...vibration?

The moon, is he gonna help?
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The eternal return....

The twilight of the gods
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

snake and dragon theme in this picture
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


wondering if this means the archetypes are fighting the snakes and dragons where there is earthquakes/eruptions etc...
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What would you say if I told the sun is driven by she and the moon by he?
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good morning seer tounge
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Good morning aether, everyone.

:)



I had been directed toward that video back in August but decided then was not the time.

Last night became 'the time' to watch it and I am still working through some of the themes.


Apparently, one is not allowed to ever 'orgasm' or else they will fall if they decide to take this path.



The 'forbidden fruit' according to the video is orgasm. Sexual relation is allow but must be interrupted so as not to spill the cup of Hermes.

I am not sure I resonate with this aspect at all. As it is mentioned if one does orgasm, that they are then participating in gray tantra which leads to black tantra, which lead to Hell.

Never orgasm again or go to Hell?

Doesn't work for me in that aspect.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


my research says its right and left handed tantra. this coresponds to solo and partner practice.

as i understand it (and experinced it) the practice teaches one to conciously move the energy from the base of the spine to the head and back again.

the mostly simple idea (yet dificult practice) is to utilize the sexually generated energy to 'ring' the spine: to induce a kundalini rising.

the risk is the same with anything that feels good, whether it is sugar, wealth, or comfort: the dose makes the poison and addiction is a possibility.

here in lies the importance of discipline.

/speculation

and the likely roll the sacred whores played in raising energy for the sacred warriors.

kundalini activated warrior = jedi
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Oh its the jedi/light sword thats what made the link , the noise it makes is the same as the smell of static in the pineal..I have always had a sword like this for protection ...lo , to travel :) happy lol
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The eternal return....

The twilight of the gods
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

snake and dragon theme in this picture
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


wondering if this means the archetypes are fighting the snakes and dragons where there is earthquakes/eruptions etc...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


that might relate to the subtext of the fight once again between Atlantis and Lemuria ??
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
>~* Flutterby Fringe*~<

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hugs Welcome back from you trip Brazil hf
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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The snake dropping....that was Ophiuchus


The Sun will begin coming into its annual alignment with Rasalhague beginning December 12. The Moon will be there too, entering Ophiuchus on December 12 and exiting on the 13th — attuning both of the Gates to Solar and Lunar Ophiuchus frequencies on their exact Gate Dates

[link to astronomologer.com]



more dragon talk
[link to astronomologer.com]
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The eternal return....

The twilight of the gods
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

snake and dragon theme in this picture
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


wondering if this means the archetypes are fighting the snakes and dragons where there is earthquakes/eruptions etc...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


that might relate to the subtext of the fight once again between Atlantis and Lemuria ??
 Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~<


idk, hope it doesn't repeat
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The snake dropping....that was Ophiuchus


The Sun will begin coming into its annual alignment with Rasalhague beginning December 12. The Moon will be there too, entering Ophiuchus on December 12 and exiting on the 13th — attuning both of the Gates to Solar and Lunar Ophiuchus frequencies on their exact Gate Dates

[link to astronomologer.com]



more dragon talk
[link to astronomologer.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


This is absolutely unreal...



January 23, 2012 07:39 UTC


"On the Chinese New Year the Sun and Moon will make an Egg the likes of which certainly the Earth has never seen before — maybe the Galaxy and the Universe too — and the Water Dragon will carry this Egg to term."



This was the final day of of my so named, 'dark week of the soul. After all the events of that week, I was standing out on my deck with 5 others.

As we stood there is absolute awe, we saw what looked like a dragon fly over the Sun. The Sun then turned into what looked like an eye. Then a small cloud which resembled a sperm moved over the Sun.

After that the Sun dimmed in such a way to resemble the Moon. You could even see the craters. You could stare right at it. And stare we did.

In silence.



The picture do not do it any justice.

But wow...that was the day...

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hugs Welcome back from you trip Brazil hf
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hugs

I loved it, made me a great 121212, I went hiking and visited again a beautiful waterfall I visited when a kid. It was very special (:

Some singing for the night eh, I love the feelings on this:


- ? Nus.

-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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This is for you Seer

Birth of the New Sun
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we are okay with archetypes , our own created ones and our environments so long as the knowing people trust themselves and other(s)
i am saying this more as a reminder to self than any other reason because we all are in new territory/location and speaking to myself, i remind myself that until i experience more feedback of origin within our new territory, my emotions are going to flicker experiences of the old territory/location feedback to similar/familiar circumstances
and
for two reasons, habit and fear , it is not always easy not to flicker so the key for me is to remember/know when i flicker, it is only a flicker and like any flicker, it is nothing unless I make it into something

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This is for you Seer

Birth of the New Sun
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hope its not too hokey, lol

When I read it, I instantly remembered my dream of the snake falling off the ceiling when I read Ophicius (phonics spelling,lol) constellation part.
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This is for you Seer

Birth of the New Sun
[link to thinkwithyourheart.com]
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hope its not too hokey, lol

When I read it, I instantly remembered my dream of the snake falling off the ceiling when I read Ophicius (phonics spelling,lol) constellation part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


that is why I was in such awe when this occured on thanksgiving day

and still think why did it occur in my area of the Earth for me to capture

serpsunset
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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This is for you Seer

Birth of the New Sun
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


hope its not too hokey, lol

When I read it, I instantly remembered my dream of the snake falling off the ceiling when I read Ophicius (phonics spelling,lol) constellation part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635


that is why I was in such awe when this occured on thanksgiving day

and still think why did it occur in my area of the Earth for me to capture

serpsunset
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"God is in the details..."

:)



Fibonnaci1123581

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"God is in the details..."

:)



Fibonnaci1123581

grouphug
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I just noticed what's missing...

tounge


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I just noticed what's missing...

tounge


ouroboros
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why does that remind me of ocarina of time
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I just noticed what's missing...

tounge


ouroboros
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why does that remind me of ocarina of time
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it is a combination of the shape of her face and the direction/pattern i saw the notes flow when it played around her
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"God is in the details..."

:)



Fibonnaci1123581

grouphug
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I just noticed what's missing...

tounge


ouroboros
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most definitely hf

Like I told Aether , the cosmic serpent / dna

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" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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why does that remind me of ocarina of time
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lol









Best. Game. Ever.

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i like that
it happened today
it did not before today , then i noticed favorite game choice tounge

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