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Jonny Blaze

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It is more powerful to admit than to deny.

Denying oneself is an indulgence. The indulgence of denying is by far the worst; it forces us to believe that we are doing great things, when in effect we are only fixed within ourselves.”
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


hmm

I'm not so sure about that.
 Quoting: Seer777


hmm
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Well...


Think of it in context of want vs. need.

It seems 'indulgence' is the direct opposite of denial.

Chronic self indulgence often leading to addiction, obesity, or worse.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't think it can be applied in that context.

An obese person has a routine of eating too much and not being active enough.

A person addicted to crack or meth has a routine supported by behavioral and chemical reinforcements.

In order to change that routine, they must first admit that the routine is a direct threat to their long term health. They must also have a motivation to live without that routine.

'Denying oneself' does not mean just endlessly indulging oneself without a care in the world. It means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 01/03/2013 12:03 PM
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I don't think it can be applied in that context.

An obese person has a routine of eating too much and not being active enough.

A person addicted to crack or meth has a routine supported by behavioral and chemical reinforcements.

In order to change that routine, they must first admit that the routine is a direct threat to their long term health. They must also have a motivation to live without that routine.

'Denying oneself' does not mean just endlessly indulging oneself without a care in the world.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What is the proper vantage point I should view it from then?

Contextually?

Self denial as indulgence?

Could you give me an example?

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I don't think it can be applied in that context.

An obese person has a routine of eating too much and not being active enough.

A person addicted to crack or meth has a routine supported by behavioral and chemical reinforcements.

In order to change that routine, they must first admit that the routine is a direct threat to their long term health. They must also have a motivation to live without that routine.

'Denying oneself' does not mean just endlessly indulging oneself without a care in the world.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What is the proper vantage point I should view it from then?

Contextually?

Self denial as indulgence?

Could you give me an example?

scratching
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Denying oneself, to me, means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.

If one is overweight, to see oneself as overweight. To acknowledge the significance of that unbalanced routine and what it will take to bring it back into balance.

To be conflicted about being overweight...that is, to desire to not be overweight and at the same time to perpetuate the routine that keeps one overweight involves some type of denying of oneself.

Either the person indulges in their routine of eating and that is more important to them...or they suffer to get 'thin' and that is what is more important.

Either way...to remain conflicted is to deny oneself.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 01/03/2013 12:10 PM
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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It means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.
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What you are?

How could one ever know?


It is fluid in Nature, constantly changing, merging, morphing.

What is Self then?

Is it static?

hmm
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Denying oneself, to me, means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.

If one is overweight, to see oneself as overweight. To acknowledge the significance of that unbalanced routine and what it will take to bring it back into balance.

To be conflicted about being overweight...that is, to desire to not be overweight and at the same time to perpetuate the routine that keeps one overweight involves some type of denying of oneself.

Either the person indulges in their routine of eating and that is more important to them...or they suffer to get 'thin' and that is what is more important.

Either way...to remain conflicted is to deny oneself.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Oh...so 'deny' as in 'lie' to ones Self. Yes, in that context I see it plainly.

Thanks.

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It means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What you are?

How could one ever know?


It is fluid in Nature, constantly changing, merging, morphing.

What is Self then?

Is it static?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Exactly. Which is why the bent of Juan Matus's knowledge is bent on being fluid, light, being able to change oneself.

The biggest threat to the ability we have to change ourselves, according to Juan Matus...is personal history.

“In order to help his ward to erase personal history, the warrior as a teacher teaches three techniques: losing self-importance, assuming responsibility for one’s acts, and using death as an adviser. Without the beneficial effect of these three techniques, erasing personal history would involve being shifty, evasive and unnecessarily dubious about oneself and one’s actions.”
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Magnetic fields created before the first stars
[link to www.spacedaily.com]

That's kind of obvious, if it were true that there was a place in time when/where stars never existed.
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It means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What you are?

How could one ever know?


It is fluid in Nature, constantly changing, merging, morphing.

What is Self then?

Is it static?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


literally true in electrical definition
once you have static- ed (arced) into existence electromagnetic structural formation occurs

the near instant static arc (on/off/pulse) and the electromagnetic structure "fed" near instantly from/by static continuously is the 2 which is your self
the power and the glory

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It means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What you are?

How could one ever know?


It is fluid in Nature, constantly changing, merging, morphing.

What is Self then?

Is it static?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Exactly. Which is why the bent of Juan Matus's knowledge is bent on being fluid, light, being able to change oneself.

The biggest threat to the ability we have to change ourselves, according to Juan Matus...is personal history.

“In order to help his ward to erase personal history, the warrior as a teacher teaches three techniques: losing self-importance, assuming responsibility for one’s acts, and using death as an adviser. Without the beneficial effect of these three techniques, erasing personal history would involve being shifty, evasive and unnecessarily dubious about oneself and one’s actions.”
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This seems to come up a lot.

The suspension of memory.

I don't see how that could possibly work in any context. I have had several discussions with my brother regarding this.

Where it says 'erase personal history' what would that entail exactly?

It reminds me a bit of what I think of as 'boot camp'. That scene from Full Metal Jacket. Funny but also really disturbing.



Stripping one of their 'personal' memory to place what in its stead?

Proper conduct?

Obedience?


One can achieve these things without erasure of personal history me thinks...

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just realized we need a new word
staticed does not exist
arced works but does not define order/sequence

hmm
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It means to look at yourself and not see the plain truth of what you are and what motivates you.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What you are?

How could one ever know?


It is fluid in Nature, constantly changing, merging, morphing.

What is Self then?

Is it static?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


Exactly. Which is why the bent of Juan Matus's knowledge is bent on being fluid, light, being able to change oneself.

The biggest threat to the ability we have to change ourselves, according to Juan Matus...is personal history.

“In order to help his ward to erase personal history, the warrior as a teacher teaches three techniques: losing self-importance, assuming responsibility for one’s acts, and using death as an adviser. Without the beneficial effect of these three techniques, erasing personal history would involve being shifty, evasive and unnecessarily dubious about oneself and one’s actions.”
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This seems to come up a lot.

The suspension of memory.

I don't see how that could possibly work in any context. I have had several discussions with my brother regarding this.

Where it says 'erase personal history' what would that entail exactly?

It reminds me a bit of what I think of as 'boot camp'. That scene from Full Metal Jacket. Funny but also really disturbing.



Stripping one of their 'personal' memory to place what in its stead?

Proper conduct?

Obedience?


One can achieve these things without erasure of personal history me thinks...

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


seems true if replacement information makes sense to do
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This seems to come up a lot.

The suspension of memory.

I don't see how that could possibly work in any context. I have had several discussions with my brother regarding this.

Where it says 'erase personal history' what would that entail exactly?

It reminds me a bit of what I think of as 'boot camp'. That scene from Full Metal Jacket. Funny but also really disturbing.



Stripping one of their 'personal' memory to place what in its stead?

Proper conduct?

Obedience?


One can achieve these things without erasure of personal history me thinks...

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't know if you can suspend memories. But you can develop a sense of detachment.

With this sense, you can explore the emotional connections you have with these memories. By recapitulation, you could view the 'memory' in its proper context, which is one free of any emotion, merely observing what happened.

Erasing personal history, however, is more than just recapitulation. It involves becoming familiar with the totality of oneself.

“Personal history must be constantly renewed by telling parents, relatives, and friends everything one does. On the other hand, for the warrior who has no personal history, no explanations are needed; nobody is angry or disillusioned with his acts. And above all, no one pins him down with their thoughts or expectations.”

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 01/03/2013 12:25 PM
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Stripping one of their 'personal' memory to place what in its stead?

Proper conduct?

Obedience?


One can achieve these things without erasure of personal history me thinks...
 Quoting: Seer777



“Personal history must be constantly renewed by telling parents, relatives, and friends everything one does. On the other hand, for the warrior who has no personal history, no explanations are needed; nobody is angry or disillusioned with his acts. And above all, no one pins him down with their thoughts or expectations.”
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Notice that the quote about personal history is precisely that it tends to force others to acquiesce to a sense of 'proper conduct' and 'obedience' as dictated by the eyes of the onlooker.

Personal history has a large outward social component to it.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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This seems to come up a lot.

The suspension of memory.

I don't see how that could possibly work in any context. I have had several discussions with my brother regarding this.

Where it says 'erase personal history' what would that entail exactly?

It reminds me a bit of what I think of as 'boot camp'. That scene from Full Metal Jacket. Funny but also really disturbing.



Stripping one of their 'personal' memory to place what in its stead?

Proper conduct?

Obedience?


One can achieve these things without erasure of personal history me thinks...

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't know if you can suspend memories. But you can develop a sense of detachment.

With this sense, you can explore the emotional connections you have with these memories. By recapitulation, you could view the 'memory' in its proper context, which is one free of any emotion, merely observing what happened.

Erasing personal history, however, is more than just recapitulation. It involves becoming familiar with the totality of oneself.

“Personal history must be constantly renewed by telling parents, relatives, and friends everything one does. On the other hand, for the warrior who has no personal history, no explanations are needed; nobody is angry or disillusioned with his acts. And above all, no one pins him down with their thoughts or expectations.”
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


I see.

Yes.

I have mentioned that in the past as well.

When one is able to bypass Self, trauma doesn't linger...


Removing attachment to trauma would be the most effective usage of this idea of detachment I think.


However, I am recalling Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...where one would request to lose said memory of an event or entire person just because it was to painful to recall.

However the Mind fights back.

Why do you think this is?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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You know, thinking on it more, there truly is no one to blame. I am viewing it from a state of hindsight is 20/20. Saying something like 'serves them right', is kind of based on the 'ego' of that hindsight.

Everyone is following their own path of clues and conclusions.
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yes
 Quoting: aether


It kind of really bothers me I said that. It wholly reminds me of all the posters on GLP that generalize groups and factions and clump them all together and say negative things about them.

hmm

Lesson learned.
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What's great is you caught it, not many do...plus others will read it as well and learn.

birthday you become 8 again right, lol
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However, I am recalling Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...where one would request to lose said memory of an event or entire person just because it was to painful to recall.

However the Mind fights back.

Why do you think this is?
 Quoting: Seer777


Yes, I've seen that movie. There was something very sad about it.

I would say that generally, something always pushes back when we try to change ourselves.

I would call it 'the human form'. It only appears to be the 'mind' in some cases.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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good morning aether,, please excuse the delay in responding to your kind greeting,,

re-stumbled upon another diversion before reading your greeting,,

one felt drawn,, and obliged,, by namesake,, too read the entire "where is the nobody" thread,,

seems many here have posted there,,

an interesting mental associative behavior ingestion indeed,,


also,, a good morning to all others whom are loved in this thread,,

(every one included)


much love,,
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However, I am recalling Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...where one would request to lose said memory of an event or entire person just because it was to painful to recall.

However the Mind fights back.

Why do you think this is?
 Quoting: Seer777


Yes, I've seen that movie. There was something very sad about it.

I would say that generally, something always pushes back when we try to change ourselves.

I would call it 'the human form'. It only appears to be the 'mind' in some cases.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Well, if we think of trauma as touching a hot stove and being burned.

The memory of said burn will cause one to act differently in attempt to avoid painful burns in the future.

A necessary memory to hold for the continuation of said individual who desires not to be constantly nursing burns.


Other kinds of trauma however...

It seems some people are able to turn trauma into something beautiful by helping others get over theirs.

A mutual healing.

However, the memory remains.


Perhaps one could think of trauma like the phoenix. One must 'burn down' the memory and then allow it to re-birth in a fashion which allows one to move forward.

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good morning aether,, please excuse the delay in responding to your kind greeting,,

re-stumbled upon another diversion before reading your greeting,,

one felt drawn,, and obliged,, by namesake,, too read the entire "where is the nobody" thread,,

seems many here have posted there,,

an interesting mental associative behavior ingestion indeed,,


also,, a good morning to all others whom are loved in this thread,,

(every one included)


much love,,
 Quoting: nobody 30416591


wave


That thread was fun. I hope it picks up again.

:)
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Well, if we think of trauma as touching a hot stove and being burned.

The memory of said burn will cause one to act differently in attempt to avoid painful burns in the future.

A necessary memory to hold for the continuation of said individual who desires not to be constantly nursing burns.
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting. But what use does the emotional attachment of being burned truly serve? As a reminder?

What about those who never touched the stove and never will? How do they do it?

Whatever has to be learned has to be learned the hard way.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Well, if we think of trauma as touching a hot stove and being burned.

The memory of said burn will cause one to act differently in attempt to avoid painful burns in the future.

A necessary memory to hold for the continuation of said individual who desires not to be constantly nursing burns.
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting. But what use does the emotional attachment of being burned truly serve? As a reminder?

What about those who never touched the stove and never will? How do they do it?

Whatever has to be learned has to be learned the hard way.

 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Apparently I did...as 'Hot' was my first word.

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Well, if we think of trauma as touching a hot stove and being burned.

The memory of said burn will cause one to act differently in attempt to avoid painful burns in the future.

A necessary memory to hold for the continuation of said individual who desires not to be constantly nursing burns.
 Quoting: Seer777


Interesting. But what use does the emotional attachment of being burned truly serve? As a reminder?

What about those who never touched the stove and never will? How do they do it?

Whatever has to be learned has to be learned the hard way.

 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Apparently I did...as 'Hot' was my first word.

tounge
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The only time i touch the stove is when I 'forget'. Most of us learn about being burned eventually. However, most of the time it is because we 'weren't paying attention'.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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What's great is you caught it, not many do...plus others will read it as well and learn.

birthday you become 8 again right, lol
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good morning
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I've noticed eastern philosophies is hard to read from western perspective.
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Apparently I did...as 'Hot' was my first word.


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The only time i touch the stove is when I 'forget'. Most of us learn about being burned eventually. However, most of the time it is because we 'weren't paying attention'.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Yes well, my parents heated our house with a wood stove.

Well with reaching distance of an baby.

I was a very earlier talker.

Late walker...

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Apparently I did...as 'Hot' was my first word.


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The only time i touch the stove is when I 'forget'. Most of us learn about being burned eventually. However, most of the time it is because we 'weren't paying attention'.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Yes well, my parents heated our house with a wood stove.

Well with reaching distance of an baby.

I was a very earlier talker.

Late walker...

tounge
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I once stuck my finger in a light socket. secrets
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I've noticed eastern philosophies is hard to read from western perspective.
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I don't know if you guys remember me telling me dream a while back about me stealing a painting out of the trunk of a car and it looked like the picture of the super moon seer posted. Well, not to run xena into the ground here, lol, but the same picture was shown a few times in that show, mainly when she went to the east.

Here are some interesting quotes lao ma-

"Soft as water, hard as the raging flood."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Here are some quotes from Lao Ma and some of the relevant passages from the Tao Te Ching.

Fill yourself with desire and see only illusion. Empty yourself of desire and understand the great mystery of things. --Lao Ma

Free from desire, you realize the mystery. Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations. --Tao Te Ching

To conquer others is to have power. To conquer yourself is to know the way. --Lao Ma

Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. --Tao Te Ching

The entire world is driven by a will, blind and ruthless. In order to transcend the limitations of that world, you need to stop willing, stop desiring, stop hating. --Lao Ma

Heaven endures and the Earth lasts a long time because they do not live for themselves. Therefore she who would live a long time should live for others, serve others. --Lao Ma
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I once stuck my finger in a light socket. secrets
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Enlightening.

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I once stuck my finger in a light socket. secrets
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Enlightening.

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For a split second I was aware of all the mysteries of the universe.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I once stuck my finger in a light socket. secrets
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Enlightening.

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For a split second I was aware of all the mysteries of the universe.
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How did it look?

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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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