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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26297346 Australia 10/27/2012 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ya know...I read that on the first day of creation (and this is probably cultural) but idk...anyway that 10 things were created on the first day.... I wonder if there is any significance to the 10 and the 10 that cannot altered? like 10 seeds or 10 roots or something...10 original that remains of origin maybe? wf The ten articlespof creation right... I wonder where you first read that... Its ORIGIN...is the Tobit. I NOTARIZED it in Hills and Valleys... Ha! I suggest further minute introspective ego grooming for all. Or read the Tobit. Good God forbid one suggests HnV...sounds like a retro virus. Adieu. |
aether (OP) User ID: 26269062 United Kingdom 10/27/2012 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thinking about the ten Quoting: aether what did moses/akhenaten utilize/discover on the mountain or what does it sign Moses stayed on the mountain for 40 days and nights, a period in which he received the Ten Commandments directly from God. Moses then descended from the mountain with intent to deliver the commandments to the people, but upon his arrival he saw that the people were involved in the sin of the Golden Calf. In terrible anger, Moses broke the commandment tablets and ordered his own tribe (the Levites) to go through the camp and kill everyone, including family and friends, upon which the Levites killed about 3,000 people, some of whom were children. God later commanded Moses to inscribe two other tablets, to replace the ones Moses smashed, so Moses went to the mountain again, for another period of 40 days and nights, and when he returned, the commandments were finally given. Quoting: observation[link to en.wikipedia.org] that`s a weird story even for halloween |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22977610 United States 10/27/2012 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ya know...I read that on the first day of creation (and this is probably cultural) but idk...anyway that 10 things were created on the first day.... I wonder if there is any significance to the 10 and the 10 that cannot altered? like 10 seeds or 10 roots or something...10 original that remains of origin maybe? wf The ten articlespof creation right... I wonder where you first read that... Its ORIGIN...is the Tobit. I NOTARIZED it in Hills and Valleys... Ha! I suggest further minute introspective ego grooming for all. Or read the Tobit. Good God forbid one suggests HnV...sounds like a retro virus. Adieu. I hope you are not grumpy that hills and valley thread has been a while...if I did read it there, then my memory was just refreshed recently reading about yud...let me get you the link... wf |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22977610 United States 10/27/2012 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Worlds: •Ten Divine utterances through which the world was created. •Ten things created on the first day. •Ten things created at dusk at the end of the first Friday. •Ten generations from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham. •Ten kings ruled the whole world; Ten nations given to Abraham. •Ten pure animals; Ten categories of forbidden magic. •Ten battles of Joshua; Ten essential limbs of the body. [link to www.inner.org] |
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Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 10/27/2012 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thinking about the ten Quoting: aether what did moses/akhenaten utilize/discover on the mountain or what does it sign A methodology of control, to get the group through. A solution to his problem, lol. Yes. Essentially, a way to 're-civilize' and morally control the population he just freed from bondage. The multitude was most likely traumatized after having witnessed '10 plagues of Egypt', not to mention everything else. :) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26297346 Australia 10/27/2012 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah...I am trying to remember the ten things given to man...hope all is good, for all. Hi Aether. [link to www.jewishencyclopedia.com] ^Search "Shamir" Nah..not grumpy...ha! Hope all you folks are safe in these storms. |
aether (OP) User ID: 26269062 United Kingdom 10/27/2012 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Worlds: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22977610 •Ten Divine utterances through which the world was created. •Ten things created on the first day. •Ten things created at dusk at the end of the first Friday. •Ten generations from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham. •Ten kings ruled the whole world; Ten nations given to Abraham. •Ten pure animals; Ten categories of forbidden magic. •Ten battles of Joshua; Ten essential limbs of the body. [link to www.inner.org] feels like vortex mathematics which it is which is why it`s signs are imprinted within all things and why all things mathematical code in ever increasing weave (patterns) and everything feels and looks connected because it all possess the common factor, the ten In physics, mathematics, statistics, and economics, scale invariance is a feature of objects or laws that does not change if scales of length, energy, or other variables, are multiplied by a common factor Quoting: observationinformation is always coming towards us so we have always been looking at the completed matter as we have looked through everything material we see formed from the inside outwards, the radiating common factor in all matter within our material dimension we will come back to this and feedback will agree all a bit of a blur of information right now |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26297346 Australia 10/27/2012 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Worlds: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22977610 •Ten Divine utterances through which the world was created. •Ten things created on the first day. •Ten things created at dusk at the end of the first Friday. •Ten generations from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham. •Ten kings ruled the whole world; Ten nations given to Abraham. •Ten pure animals; Ten categories of forbidden magic. •Ten battles of Joshua; Ten essential limbs of the body. [link to www.inner.org] feels like vortex mathematics which it is which is why it`s signs are imprinted within all things and why all things mathematical code in ever increasing weave (patterns) and everything feels and looks connected because it all possess the common factor, the ten In physics, mathematics, statistics, and economics, scale invariance is a feature of objects or laws that does not change if scales of length, energy, or other variables, are multiplied by a common factor Quoting: observationinformation is always coming towards us so we have always been looking at the completed matter as we have looked through everything material we see formed from the inside outwards, the radiating common factor in all matter within our material dimension we will come back to this and feedback will agree all a bit of a blur of information right now Purrfect... Premise:"the was a binding, a twything and an obfuscation. Premise: A "hypercube can only exist in 4 dimensions." Suppose, the original "creation/Eden" was obviously perfectly formed...then if premise 1 were applied then the orderly function to cease, and perhaps, through quantum vortex mechanics, a recurring feedback loop were achikeved, a soul trap, if you will, which is at odds with the original intended purpose of creation? Anyway...back to being my irascible ole self..:) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26297346 Australia 10/27/2012 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The shamir was the seventh of the ten marvels created in the evening twilight of the first Friday (Ab. v. 6; comp. Pes. 54a; Sifre, Deut. 355; Mek., Beshallaḥ, 5 [ed. Weiss, p. 59b; ed. Friedmann, p. 51a]), and it was followed, significantly enough, by the creation of writing, the stylus, and the two tables of stone. Its size was that of a grain of barley; it was created after the six days of creation. Nothing was sufficiently hard to withstand it; when it was placed on stones they split in the manner in which the leaves of a book open; and iron was broken by its mere presence. The shamir was wrapped for preservation in spongy balls of wool and laid in a leaden box filled with barley bran. With the help of this stone Moses engraved the names of the twelve tribes on the breastplate of the high priest, first writing on the stones with ink and then holding the shamir over them, whereupon the writing sank into the stones. With its aid, moreover, Solomon built the Temple without using any tool of iron (comp. I Kings vi. 7; Ex. xx. 25; Tosef., Soṭah, xv. 1 [ed. Zuckermandel, p. 321]; Soṭah 48b; Yer. Soṭah 24b). The shamir was expressly created for this latter purpose, since it ceased to exist after the destruction of the Temple (Soṭah ix., 10; Tosef. xv. 1). According to one legend, an eagle brought the shamir from paradise to Solomon at the latter's command (Yalḳ. ii. 182), while another tradition runs as follows: When Solomon asked the Rabbis how he could build the Temple without using tools of iron, they called his attention to the Shamir with which Moses had engraved the names of the tribes on the breastplate of the high priest, and advised him to command the demons under his sway to obtain it for him. Solomon accordingly summoned Asmodeus, the prince of the demons, who told him that the shamir had been placed not in his charge, but in that of the Prince of the Sea; the prince entrusted it only to the wood-grouse, in whose oath he confided. The wood-grouse used the shamir to cleave bare rocks so that he might plant seeds of trees in them and thus cause new vegetation to spring up; hence the bird was called the "rock-splitter" (). The shamir was taken from the wood-grouse by the following ruse: Its nest was found and its young covered with white glass. The bird then brought the shamir and put it on the glass, which broke; at that moment Solomon's emissary, who had concealed himself close by, frightened the bird so that it dropped the shamir, which was immediately seized and taken to Solomon. The wood-grouse killed itself because it had violated its oath (Giṭ. 68a, b). Folk-Legends. This last account is Babylonian in origin, and both language and content prove that it was a legend of the people rather than a tradition of the schools, as is the case with the stories mentioned above. There were, however, learned circles in Palestine which refused to credit the use of the shamir by Solomon (Mek., Yitro, end). Others, however, believed that Solomon employed it in the building of his palace, but not in the construction of the Temple, evidently taking exception to the magical element suggested by a leaden box as a place of concealment, for in magic brass is used to break enchantment and to drive away demons (Soṭah 48b; Yer. Soṭah 24b). It was a miracle, on the other hand, and not magic if the Temple, as many believed, built itself (Pesiḳ. R. 6. [ed. Friedmann, p. 25a]). Opinion is divided concerning the nature of theshamir. Jewish tradition unanimously declares it to be a small worm (Rashi, Pes. 54a, overlooked by Grünbaum ["Gesammelte Aufsätze," p. 32]; Maimonides, commentary on Ab. 5, 6), this view having a textual basis. Cassel, on the other hand, considered the shamir to be a powder of corundum, developing his theory as follows: "From the powdery emery was made a living creature of infinite minuteness, regarded by later authorities as a worm, although rabbinical tradition itself merely terms it 'shamir' without the addition of 'worm' or any other term" (l.c. p. 69). This view, however, is rightly rejected by Löw. According to another legend, the wood-grouse used a herb to burn or draw out a wooden nail (Lev. R. xxii. 4 and parallels), this herb being hidden by Simeon b. Ḥalafta lest it should fall into the hands of thieves. A similar story is told by Ælian of the hoopoe ("Historia Animalium." iii. 26; Cassel, l.c. p. 73; comp. other Oriental and classical parallels given by Bochart, Cassel, and Grünbaum). Arab Legends. The tradition of the shamir was carried from the Jews to the Arabs (Grünbaum, "Neue Beiträge," passim, especially p. 229); in Arabic tradition Solomon, under instructions from Gabriel, has recourse to a worm when he desires to bore through a pearl, and to a white worm when he wishes to thread the onyx (Grünbaum, l.c. p. 218). The belief was still current in the Middle Ages, since it is found in the Cabala (Zohar, i. 74; see story of Solomon in Jellinek, "B. H." ii. 86). According to the English version of the "Gesta Romanorum" (ed. Grässe, ii. 227), the emperor Diocletian enclosed in a glass case a young ostrich found in the forest and carried it to his palace. He was followed by the mother, who, that she might regain her young, brought in her beak on the third day a "thumare" (shamir), a worm, and dropped it on the glass, which was thus broken. Vincent of Beauvais, Gervase of Tilbury, and Albertus Magnus relate similar stories, and the last-named expressly gives Jewish tradition as his source (Cassel, l.c. pp. 50 et seq., 77 et seq.). The other two writers, in the true spirit of medievalism, give a remarkable variant to the effect that the bird smeared the glass with the blood of the worm and so broke it. Bibliography: Bochart, Hierozoicon, ii. 343, 842 et seq.; P. Cassel, Schamir, in Denkschriften der Königlichen, Akademie der Wissenschaften in Erfurt, Erfurt, 1856; Lewysohn, Zoologie des Talmuds, § 500, Frankfort-on-the-Main, 1858; Kohut, Angelologie und Dämonologie, p. 82, Leipsic, 1866; idem, Aruch Completum, viii. 107, Levy, Neuhebr. Wörterb. iv. 579; Grünbaum, in Z. D. M. G. xxxi. 204 et seq.; idem, Gesammelte Aufsätze, pp. 31-43, Berlin, 1901; idem, Neue Beiträge zur Semitischen Sagenkunde, pp.211 et seq., Leyden, 1893; Hamburger, R. B. T. ii. 1079-1080. Images of pages [link to www.jewishencyclopedia.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22977610 United States 10/27/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah...I am trying to remember the ten things given to man...hope all is good, for all. Hi Aether. [link to www.jewishencyclopedia.com] ^Search "Shamir" Nah..not grumpy...ha! Hope all you folks are safe in these storms. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26297346 Australia 10/27/2012 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah...I am trying to remember the ten things given to man...hope all is good, for all. Hi Aether. [link to www.jewishencyclopedia.com] ^Search "Shamir" Nah..not grumpy...ha! Hope all you folks are safe in these storms. shucks and awe... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26297346 Australia 10/27/2012 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I sure hope you are all well and safe and prepared. This storm looks like a doozy on the telly. Oh well, so, there are the Ten Articles of Creation, and the reading of Solomons use of the Shamir is certianly of interest and perhaps a time for discussion...considerin yall wanna go "vortex surfin"....Vortextards I guess...but your gonna need some assistance... so buckle in... |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 10/27/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I sure hope you are all well and safe and prepared. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26297346 This storm looks like a doozy on the telly. Oh well, so, there are the Ten Articles of Creation, and the reading of Solomons use of the Shamir is certianly of interest and perhaps a time for discussion...considerin yall wanna go "vortex surfin"....Vortextards I guess...but your gonna need some assistance... so buckle in... I am on the West Coast, but thank you as I can imagine many could utilize your good intention. It is however, headed for a dear friend of mine, who lives near Philadelphia. [link to img202.imageshack.us] Right where the two storms merge...it seems. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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