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In 3d, you were some guy in the 1600s and then you "die" and come back as someone in the 1900s. But in 4d, you are both of those people simultaneously.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


I have a similar understanding, the spirit is who we truly are, and it leaves an imprint in every incarnation we have, the soul inside the flesh.

the spirit does not percieve time as we do, everything has already happened or is happening at the same time.

I remember seeing the swedish medium that would channel a being that explained that "the rider" was something above our experience down here, and it had multiple incarnations to keep track of, at the same time.
like beads on a string.
the rider is the string and the incarnations are the beads.

I just see, what he refers to as a rider, as the spirit that we are.
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In 3d, you were some guy in the 1600s and then you "die" and come back as someone in the 1900s. But in 4d, you are both of those people simultaneously.
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I have a similar understanding, the spirit is who we truly are, and it leaves an imprint in every incarnation we have, the soul inside the flesh.

the spirit does not percieve time as we do, everything has already happened or is happening at the same time.

I remember seeing the swedish medium that would channel a being that explained that "the rider" was something above our experience down here, and it had multiple incarnations to keep track of, at the same time.
like beads on a string.
the rider is the string and the incarnations are the beads.

I just see, what he refers to as a rider, as the spirit that we are.
 Quoting: Michael_


What of attractions and fields? Are we not attracted to that which we feel gives us that something for whatever reason we deem that to be of import?

If conciousness, not memory or any function of object permanence, is key to sum. Will we not repeat what most innately attracts us without the buffer of memories preconceived associations?

This concept alone would pay us our due. As we know the artist secretly reproduces themselves.

The Buddhists tell you not to imagine self upon dying as you will be pulled back by the gravity of the visualization. The Incan Kings bred with their closest relatives to ensure little deviation in family to that which they would return (compounding sorrows and material Karmas fate).

Let go of what you know lest it consume you.
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What separates the non material from the material? Structure, time, something else, veil? Can those two ever meld together, or is it like those two clouds, just rubbing up against each other?
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Belief and ability (will)
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What separates the non material from the material? Structure, time, something else, veil? Can those two ever meld together, or is it like those two clouds, just rubbing up against each other?
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let`s hover over the word time for a while

Dynamical system

A dynamical system is a concept in mathematics where a fixed rule describes the time dependence of a point in a geometrical space. Examples include the mathematical models that describe the swinging of a clock pendulum, the flow of water in a pipe, and the number of fish each springtime in a lake.

At any given time a dynamical system has a state given by a set of real numbers (a vector) that can be represented by a point in an appropriate state space (a geometrical manifold). Small changes in the state of the system create small changes in the numbers. The evolution rule of the dynamical system is a fixed rule that describes what future states follow from the current state. The rule is deterministic; in other words, for a given time interval only one future state follows from the current state.
 Quoting: observation

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our linear counting systems enable us to form predictions which appear to us to form our notion of time as embedded into reality

Time-invariant system

A time-invariant (TIV) system is one whose output does not depend explicitly on time
 Quoting: observation

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then we discovered our environment (universe) utilizes time invariant system (timeless) that manifest transient dynamical systems

a layer of a layer tounge
 Quoting: aether


we discovered that we can and do replicate galaxies , for example, utilizing plasma in laboratories both on earth and in space and we notice that everything we observe occurring in our universe to galaxies occurs in our laboratories to what we have created

there is no difference no matter if what we create (galaxy) last a second, an hour , a day whatever , as long as we sustain (power) the process(s) it always does the same things

it may be an inch in size, a foot, a yard , no matter , the process(s) always do the same things from start to finish , replicating what every galaxy does from it`s beginning to end

this tells us that from galaxies down to the miro everything is doing what it does unconnected to our label system called time

under our label system (time) some things do what they so in parts of a second, some in days and all the way up to billions of linear years

what all processes have in common is they are all time invariant (unaffected by time)

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and the reason we can do this is this:

until we could form matter into a plasma state we could never model in the material our universe is mostly constructed of

In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: Los Alamos

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when we began modeling in plasma we discovered it possess what you may call " a life of it`s own" as in:
it behaves differently to any material (matter) we have a history of knowing
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and the reason we can do this is this:

until we could form matter into a plasma state we could never model in the material our universe is mostly constructed of

In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: Los Alamos

[link to plasmauniverse.info]

when we began modeling in plasma we discovered it possess what you may call " a life of it`s own" as in:
it behaves differently to any material (matter) we have a history of knowing
 Quoting: aether


Even the mucous membrane?
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The sun is in the z-pinch of the twisting/twining clouds. While the clouds 'spin' around us, making it appear they are moving at right angles. Interesting. I like it.
 Quoting: Saptaparna


hey sapt
moving group dynamics which also will give us back up data to why our sun does what it does

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and the reason we can do this is this:

until we could form matter into a plasma state we could never model in the material our universe is mostly constructed of

In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: Los Alamos

[link to plasmauniverse.info]

when we began modeling in plasma we discovered it possess what you may call " a life of it`s own" as in:
it behaves differently to any material (matter) we have a history of knowing
 Quoting: aether


Even the mucous membrane?
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


that sound yuck

lol
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anyone else cozy sleepy today?
i was high energy until a hour or so ago
now i could cuddle and loon
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and the reason we can do this is this:

until we could form matter into a plasma state we could never model in the material our universe is mostly constructed of

In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
 Quoting: Los Alamos

[link to plasmauniverse.info]

when we began modeling in plasma we discovered it possess what you may call " a life of it`s own" as in:
it behaves differently to any material (matter) we have a history of knowing
 Quoting: aether


Even the mucous membrane?
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


that sound yuck

lol
 Quoting: aether


elemental property in exchange (charged), osmotic and diffusionary processes.

Does the sweat born and rudimentary cellular division ring any bells?

We've already had this talk.
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elemental property in exchange (charged), osmotic and diffusionary processes.

Does the sweat born and rudimentary cellular division ring any bells?

We've already had this talk.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


got it
yes we have and yes
seems like it translates
where is our translator cos you know i`m crap at translating some vocabularies
actually
all of them
my history here proves it tounge
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Israeli envoy arrives in Cairo to discuss cease-fire

An Israeli official confirmed a report that said that an official envoy arrived in Egypt to pave the way to a two-stage cease-fire that Israel is 'keen' to conclude.
 Quoting: observation

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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elemental property in exchange (charged), osmotic and diffusionary processes.

Does the sweat born and rudimentary cellular division ring any bells?

We've already had this talk.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


got it
yes we have and yes
seems like it translates
where is our translator cos you know i`m crap at translating some vocabularies
actually
all of them
my history here proves it tounge
 Quoting: aether


That's okay. That is why I'm a tedious bastard. I need to hand this information down to a bunch of lads far more tedious than myself.

In universal process we shall become more aware of the vastness of that which is us and the infinite and eternal potentialities within.

A God so large needs a god so small to complete the paradoxical twist.
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Israeli envoy arrives in Cairo to discuss cease-fire

An Israeli official confirmed a report that said that an official envoy arrived in Egypt to pave the way to a two-stage cease-fire that Israel is 'keen' to conclude.
 Quoting: observation

[link to www.haaretz.com]
 Quoting: aether


Perhaps we are seeing the first emergent patterns of an echoed effect.
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What of attractions and fields? Are we not attracted to that which we feel gives us that something for whatever reason we deem that to be of import?

If conciousness, not memory or any function of object permanence, is key to sum. Will we not repeat what most innately attracts us without the buffer of memories preconceived associations?

This concept alone would pay us our due. As we know the artist secretly reproduces themselves.

The Buddhists tell you not to imagine self upon dying as you will be pulled back by the gravity of the visualization. The Incan Kings bred with their closest relatives to ensure little deviation in family to that which they would return (compounding sorrows and material Karmas fate).

Let go of what you know lest it consume you.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


Your words remind me of anothers...




Alchemical wedding: con't ....



" A CONVERSATION WITH GOD"
interlude: Madness, I am engulfed!


For a nations untimely demise
The stars shine a ruddy lime, putting sinners in their place
The American dream is alive and doing well in the guise of fate
The elite will gladly demon- strate the glory of a job well done
And when the time is ripe
The bursting fruit will decimate
The stench of decay is their sermon
The priest's are lined up in a row counting sheep
Making sure they don't bleat
Our time is our own and the hounds of Hell smell fresh blood
It's maddening to hear their cries!
So sad the minions of weak souls...
I will break you this time
The hands of Hell smear fresh the blood
Again and again

If I don't do it for you who will? He said....
Selective judgement means I love you...
Conditional love means I own you
Rome " WAS" built in a day...
This vision is as old as old
Romans would look great in a suit
A jewish would feel good with a whip!
Not everybody likes to play the game,
I guess it's the perfect time to play

Take off your skin and I'm there..
Holding you like a newborn babe...
Caressing your naked soul as slippery as the glassy moon
Worlds apart I test your will
Your afraid of my intentions and the cool breeze makes you mine

You are mine!

And then he smiled, and said;

The fire consumes the just and the sinner alike
Be grateful your god is gracious and even tempered
The spirit of evil is gods way of saying he loves us
But like the fire, god will consu e all things in his path
The difference is that fire will leave a charred remains,
And god will eat you whole, and clean his teeth with your bones!

Kill your god if any strength remains in your body
Sanctify his murder and be quick!
He knows your weakness, your god is yours!
Bury him quickly and anoint the earth with your tears.....
Lest he come to you in your dreams,.......
To take you away.......

 Quoting: Brian8888

Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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What of attractions and fields? Are we not attracted to that which we feel gives us that something for whatever reason we deem that to be of import?

maybe we are, is there any evidence of this? if not, then it's just another pretty theory :)

If conciousness, not memory or any function of object permanence, is key to sum. Will we not repeat what most innately attracts us without the buffer of memories preconceived associations?

perhaps, there is really no way of telling without the exact same conditions and a repeated test of it, but how?.

This concept alone would pay us our due. As we know the artist secretly reproduces themselves.

The Buddhists tell you not to imagine self upon dying as you will be pulled back by the gravity of the visualization. The Incan Kings bred with their closest relatives to ensure little deviation in family to that which they would return (compounding sorrows and material Karmas fate).

Let go of what you know lest it consume you.

 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


I think the problem with both of our statements is that we lack evidence hehe.
everything is theory
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What of attractions and fields? Are we not attracted to that which we feel gives us that something for whatever reason we deem that to be of import?

maybe we are, is there any evidence of this? if not, then it's just another pretty theory :)

If conciousness, not memory or any function of object permanence, is key to sum. Will we not repeat what most innately attracts us without the buffer of memories preconceived associations?

perhaps, there is really no way of telling without the exact same conditions and a repeated test of it, but how?.

This concept alone would pay us our due. As we know the artist secretly reproduces themselves.

The Buddhists tell you not to imagine self upon dying as you will be pulled back by the gravity of the visualization. The Incan Kings bred with their closest relatives to ensure little deviation in family to that which they would return (compounding sorrows and material Karmas fate).

Let go of what you know lest it consume you.

 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


I think the problem with both of our statements is that we lack evidence hehe.
everything is theory
 Quoting: Michael_


Not at all, It is a discernable pattern. However, A paper with double blind studies and a causality above 70% may take some time.

Thinking of Sheldrake and Abraham I realize we have passed Mckennas extreme novelty juncture.
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elemental property in exchange (charged), osmotic and diffusionary processes.

Does the sweat born and rudimentary cellular division ring any bells?

We've already had this talk.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


got it
yes we have and yes
seems like it translates
where is our translator cos you know i`m crap at translating some vocabularies
actually
all of them
my history here proves it tounge
 Quoting: aether


That's okay. That is why I'm a tedious bastard. I need to hand this information down to a bunch of lads far more tedious than myself.

In universal process we shall become more aware of the vastness of that which is us and the infinite and eternal potentialities within.

A God so large needs a god so small to complete the paradoxical twist.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


self-aggrandizement reaps it own reward
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I would liken it to the tests between separated twins and their proclivities to life choices as being the most efficacious of double blind data gathering.

As children living within their families may be habituated to responses/choice rather than rudimentarily inclined.

As to artists drawing themselves. It is quite a 'regular' and known phenomenon. Much as we seek like to bolster that which are subconciously or conciously aware. We are creatures not so much of habit but functionality inclination which meshes or grates with the external realities of locale.
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elemental property in exchange (charged), osmotic and diffusionary processes.

Does the sweat born and rudimentary cellular division ring any bells?

We've already had this talk.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


got it
yes we have and yes
seems like it translates
where is our translator cos you know i`m crap at translating some vocabularies
actually
all of them
my history here proves it tounge
 Quoting: aether


That's okay. That is why I'm a tedious bastard. I need to hand this information down to a bunch of lads far more tedious than myself.

In universal process we shall become more aware of the vastness of that which is us and the infinite and eternal potentialities within.

A God so large needs a god so small to complete the paradoxical twist.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


self-aggrandizement reaps it own reward
 Quoting: aka 20093181


Self has very little to do with it except in the temporally fixated communicating of it. But yes I find conciousness both great and mystifying.
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a search for the reason for a ripple created should never be soley obliged towards the bottom below,,

nor should it be sought or ever confirmed from the wind above,,

some ripples are part of the all,, existing within time that never exist unless perceived,,

no motive,, no beggining and no end,,

the pefect ripple indeed,,

much love,,
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Right now, the in situ information in the above 2nd paper has been supportive with what you are putting forth because the Sun is NOT in the LIC proper nor in the G-Cloud but in the transition region between the two. One would think such a region to perhaps be rather dull but with interactive “shocks”, ionization, double-layers etc … I think maybe not.

I could be wrong but I at least need to see if anything filamentary, of higher density, etc etc has been observed there. [link to www.thunderbolts.info]
 Quoting: Theosophy

 Quoting: aether


I like that the mainstream found that the "scattering screens" of enhanced electron density "lie close to the edges of several of our dynamical clouds". The fact that they are so clearly mapping out Birkeland current filaments and double layers without a model to guide them is impressive. If you or I showed these correlations, we'd be accused of interpreting the data to fit our EU model.
Now remember where Sirius sits in this picture: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Remember that we were able to show that only if Sirius and the sun were spiraling along the same axis, would we be able to explain the relationship between Sirius' proper motion and earth's rate of precession. (The work of the Sirius Research Institute is important here). So we have redundancy, with the motion of local clouds giving us the same axis for the Birkeland current, as we were able to derive from looking at star motions alone. [link to www.thunderbolts.info]
 Quoting: observation


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Afternoon aether.

SiriustheDogStar



Here is one I took.

Looks like a door...

SiriusOct13

:)
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Afternoon aether.

SiriustheDogStar



Here is one I took.

Looks like a door...

SiriusOct13

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


i know
feedback needed to mention sirius to get miss serious to say hello tounge

good morning

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Ummm, question. If I send out an ultraviolet ray, can we change it to an infrared ray in flight? Light is a collection of rays of all wavelengths, some absorbed upon contact, some reflected, but besides the source changing frequencies (vibration rate) we assume what we receive is the same as what was sent. An X-ray produced in the lab depends on the voltage and material of the anode. So the material absorbing and re-emitting the ummm photon never enters into the equation? An ultraviolet ray always stays an ultraviolet ray, even when the voltage and material of the absorbing and re-emitting material may be different? You sure you are measuring what started out? We sure have a lot of assumptions in there.

Interference patterns occur because there is not one ray of a specific frequency, but millions of all frequencies, even in what is called a single photon pulse. All individual wavelengths are present, some simply amplified by the source. Some reflected at tangents, some absorbed, and spectral lines appear. But what you receive is not necessarily what you sent. We call it random interference or random noise, but in reality it is change of the original signal with each absorption and re-emittance event.

Interference patterns occur on flat detectors (not coned shaped ones) because some are reflected, hit the pinhole material and reflect back to the detector. The cone shape of the eye tends to reflect all rays to the back of the eye and no such patterns occur. Two different detectors, two different results. [link to www.thunderbolts.info]
 Quoting: observation


i noticed ears go back on that question 1rof1

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intelligent (self aware) medium between all things
is appearing
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intelligent (self aware) medium between all things
is appearing
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And like diffusion it shall flow to lesser regions of concentration.

That puts the idea of fuse insufficiency in my head.
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i know
feedback needed to mention sirius to get miss serious to say hello tounge

good morning
 Quoting: aether


Yeah.

Sometimes.

There has been a lack of humor lately.


The more things change...


8's seem to be following me again.

They were everywhere yesterday. Now I think I know why.

Don't mind me, as I find myself in limbo again.

stars
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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i know
feedback needed to mention sirius to get miss serious to say hello tounge

good morning
 Quoting: aether


Yeah.

Sometimes.

There has been a lack of humor lately.


The more things change...


8's seem to be following me again.

They were everywhere yesterday. Now I think I know why.

Don't mind me, as I find myself in limbo again.

stars
 Quoting: Seer777


Light is wave and particle, it can be affected by gravity. Gravity has been shown to compress light as a wave. It has also been shown to bend light as a particle. Gravitional lensing appears to be a mirror cause by both the above actions. Light frequencies will also elongate over time and distance. Light is malleable, we simply lack the hammer to ring the bell.





GLP