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Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 11/28/2012 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I start the dream in the beginning. I can 'see' the dream state manifesting into my mind. It comes like a very faint moving picture in the darkness. It feels' as if I hover around it, as if trying to lock myself to it. Once I am aligned properly I 'insert' myself into the picture. Quoting: Septenary Man It is preferable because you are fully conscious the entire time, and you don't have to 'trigger' lucidity. Though, for me, I do not 'trigger' lucidity anymore. Most times it is just there. In other words, the majority of the time, I always know I am dreaming when I am dreaming. BUT, there are many different conscious layers I am talking about, so it is not so cut and dry as it seems. So the dream arrives separate of you? You watch it coming in? As in, it is being sent? It varies. Sometimes it feels like it may be being 'sent'. Sometimes I will manifest shapes within the darkness and the shapes I make (very, very, very faint within the darkness) seem to attract dreamscapes...this is hard to describe... The dreamscapes begin manifesting around the shapes, with the shapes contained within the manifesting dream. As if the dream is being built around the shapes I manifest. To answer your questions directly: Yes, I am separate from the dream the majority of the time, and I have to consciously 'insert' myself into the dream. Yes, I watch it coming in. I do not know if it is being sent, or I am traveling to it (it feels like I am not moving though), or, I am manifesting it and it is 'opening' up so I can insert myself into it. It is most likely all the above. I know my subconscious is manifesting aspects of it, but I do feel there are other 'things' manifesting it as well. Whether it be the supraconscious, or other thought forms in the non-material, etc. As I said, it is not black and white. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 11/28/2012 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bingo the general population does not realize the effect of their consciousness on creating events such as these in response to their verbal and written actions Quoting: aether affect the sine wave outputs and disturbing it like ripples in a pond nicely told Aether I still stand in awe that I am able to grasp such things at this age in my life with no formal training whatsoever. I feel blessed that the universe sees fit to let me in on such secrets that it beholds. Open mindedness helps you understand things more clearly as the blockages that distort the information are not as prevalent. that all begun to happen for me when I dropped my indoctrinated and preconceived notions about the universe and world based on organized religion SS ;) |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: aether no it was not it was natural reponse to many people attempting to evoke a quake in s america with dumb arse posts on glp Why would anyone attempt to evoke a quake? Only a moran would attempt something like that. well if you look at the sun tard thread last year for a lot of it, i spent quite some time there and became familiar with the emotional intensity of desire for "the big one" as in: the one that destroys it seems to me after several thousand years of no sense some people genuinely desire it all to destruct in one event or satisfying series of events which makes their faith true Yes but we are talking about mostly people with a connecting link with intent that is practically dead. Because there are thousands and thousands of them, if you summed up their collective will...you would have the equivalent of like one or two impeccable warriors. i look forward to you placing them into useful shape |
Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My childhood dreams consisted of many haunting's such as that but was weaved around were wolfs. In the dream that I had where I ended up in front of the Thor's helmet nebula taught me something significant. Like I share with you on the other thread. I believe those are doorways in our mind that have to unlocked in our dreams that are either accessible or in accessible thru our conscious actions and fear that have to be over come. You are probably at a greater advantage at this point in your life to being able to sit still while horror abounds around you and respond in a wave of love which dispells than before Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~< Perhaps, but not everyone is a talented dreamer. I am certainly not. I don't know what the difference between sending out love and sending out anger would be. I only know that anger is something I understand and can project a lot of that emotion at once if I choose. As I understood it, the point of the stalking tecnique was to demonstrate to the 'inorganic being' one's impeccable control over one's emotions. Going from one extreme to the other, and immediately going back to silence is a powerful demonstration. As I don't know how to project 'love' on the same scale as furious anger, I would go with anger if I were to try it. But that is just me...and I doubt I would ever try such a thing. Seems to be asking for trouble. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Jonny Blaze Why would anyone attempt to evoke a quake? Only a moran would attempt something like that. well if you look at the sun tard thread last year for a lot of it, i spent quite some time there and became familiar with the emotional intensity of desire for "the big one" as in: the one that destroys it seems to me after several thousand years of no sense some people genuinely desire it all to destruct in one event or satisfying series of events which makes their faith true Yes but we are talking about mostly people with a connecting link with intent that is practically dead. Because there are thousands and thousands of them, if you summed up their collective will...you would have the equivalent of like one or two impeccable warriors. i look forward to you placing them into useful shape edit: we look forward to them being placed into useful shape we will go with the collective no exclusions Last Edited by aether on 11/28/2012 11:22 AM |
Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Jonny Blaze Why would anyone attempt to evoke a quake? Only a moran would attempt something like that. well if you look at the sun tard thread last year for a lot of it, i spent quite some time there and became familiar with the emotional intensity of desire for "the big one" as in: the one that destroys it seems to me after several thousand years of no sense some people genuinely desire it all to destruct in one event or satisfying series of events which makes their faith true Yes but we are talking about mostly people with a connecting link with intent that is practically dead. Because there are thousands and thousands of them, if you summed up their collective will...you would have the equivalent of like one or two impeccable warriors. i look forward to you placing them into useful shape Oh please, you wise owl. Those people don't want knowledge. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/28/2012 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I start the dream in the beginning. I can 'see' the dream state manifesting into my mind. It comes like a very faint moving picture in the darkness. It feels' as if I hover around it, as if trying to lock myself to it. Once I am aligned properly I 'insert' myself into the picture. Quoting: Septenary Man It is preferable because you are fully conscious the entire time, and you don't have to 'trigger' lucidity. Though, for me, I do not 'trigger' lucidity anymore. Most times it is just there. In other words, the majority of the time, I always know I am dreaming when I am dreaming. BUT, there are many different conscious layers I am talking about, so it is not so cut and dry as it seems. So the dream arrives separate of you? You watch it coming in? As in, it is being sent? No, I have never entered a dream when the 'visions' seem to materialize like that. Just before entering a dream, a 'picture' popes up...maybe like it was moving fast towards me from a distance. I can't be sure because just before it appears a loud noise startles me. The picture had a definite boundary to it and was round shaped. If I allowed it to come forward I cross over into it and it becomes a dream. Wow. I was not expecting you to say that... As I was recalling the one and only time I have ever experienced something similar. It was accompanied by what sounded like a metal grate being kicked open. I shared the story on my other forum. Here it is 5/27/10 I had a very strange thing happen last night that I am still a little shaken from. I believe I had a vision but have had only one similar experience in my life and that ended badly. I will try to explain to the best of my abilities. Last night I had woken from a strange dream. I turned over in bed and was thinking about it and trying to glean any relevant information from it. When a spontaneous vision occurred. The Vision: This all took place in less than half of 1 second. Like the snap of a finger. I was laying there when I heard a very loud noise. Like someone had just kicked a metal grating. In the instant I heard the noise I saw an image. The image stretched into what looked like a gigantic canvas. I could see the corner edges. In my field of view was only what I can describe as an old world painting. The ones that there are so many characters that you can look at it for hours just taking in each person, angel, etc. What I saw was not pleasant. Every inch of my "canvas" was filled with beings. I could see their muscles, that they were all nearly naked, and that they were demonic looking. Very human in form but not in face. Hundreds of them. I shook very strangely almost in three waves. I was left breathless. When the vision ended, 1/2 second later I was breathing very heavy, like I had just ran a mile and had stopped to catch my breath. The sound i heard did not have a physical source in this reality and the vision did not come from me. As I laid there, composing myself and taking in what I had just seen, the thought that I had just seen Hell, came over me. I got the impression the noise I heard was a portal that had just been opened. This was not a dream. I feel that one of you has the answer to what just happened. I liken it to the people who talk in tongues and someone else will rise to interpret. Thanks for reading A few days later this occurred... The Gates of Hell Just Opened In Guatemala "This can't be real" was my first thought. [link to cache.gawkerassets.com] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They want earthquakes. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
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Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I start the dream in the beginning. I can 'see' the dream state manifesting into my mind. It comes like a very faint moving picture in the darkness. It feels' as if I hover around it, as if trying to lock myself to it. Once I am aligned properly I 'insert' myself into the picture. Quoting: Septenary Man It is preferable because you are fully conscious the entire time, and you don't have to 'trigger' lucidity. Though, for me, I do not 'trigger' lucidity anymore. Most times it is just there. In other words, the majority of the time, I always know I am dreaming when I am dreaming. BUT, there are many different conscious layers I am talking about, so it is not so cut and dry as it seems. So the dream arrives separate of you? You watch it coming in? As in, it is being sent? No, I have never entered a dream when the 'visions' seem to materialize like that. Just before entering a dream, a 'picture' popes up...maybe like it was moving fast towards me from a distance. I can't be sure because just before it appears a loud noise startles me. The picture had a definite boundary to it and was round shaped. If I allowed it to come forward I cross over into it and it becomes a dream. Wow. I was not expecting you to say that... As I was recalling the one and only time I have ever experienced something similar. It was accompanied by what sounded like a metal grate being kicked open. I shared the story on my other forum. Here it is 5/27/10 I had a very strange thing happen last night that I am still a little shaken from. I believe I had a vision but have had only one similar experience in my life and that ended badly. I will try to explain to the best of my abilities. Last night I had woken from a strange dream. I turned over in bed and was thinking about it and trying to glean any relevant information from it. When a spontaneous vision occurred. The Vision: This all took place in less than half of 1 second. Like the snap of a finger. I was laying there when I heard a very loud noise. Like someone had just kicked a metal grating. In the instant I heard the noise I saw an image. The image stretched into what looked like a gigantic canvas. I could see the corner edges. In my field of view was only what I can describe as an old world painting. The ones that there are so many characters that you can look at it for hours just taking in each person, angel, etc. What I saw was not pleasant. Every inch of my "canvas" was filled with beings. I could see their muscles, that they were all nearly naked, and that they were demonic looking. Very human in form but not in face. Hundreds of them. I shook very strangely almost in three waves. I was left breathless. When the vision ended, 1/2 second later I was breathing very heavy, like I had just ran a mile and had stopped to catch my breath. The sound i heard did not have a physical source in this reality and the vision did not come from me. As I laid there, composing myself and taking in what I had just seen, the thought that I had just seen Hell, came over me. I got the impression the noise I heard was a portal that had just been opened. This was not a dream. I feel that one of you has the answer to what just happened. I liken it to the people who talk in tongues and someone else will rise to interpret. Thanks for reading A few days later this occurred... The Gates of Hell Just Opened In Guatemala "This can't be real" was my first thought. [link to cache.gawkerassets.com] I believe that sound to be a manefestation of what Castaneda described as 'the crack of the world'...or the barrier between the world of 'reality' and the world of dreams. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you know i am laughing a lot today because i am happy Quoting: aether sorry for the brit humor that arises in my happy cos i know from experience i laugh at the dumbest times by all standards No need to apologize. You do not nor will you ever require my pardon. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
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Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 11/28/2012 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that sound to be a manefestation of what Castaneda described as 'the crack of the world'...or the barrier between the world of 'reality' and the world of dreams. Quoting: Jonny Blaze Interesting. Is it described as a metallic sound? This was very distinctly metal on metal. Screeching. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Le Palma User ID: 28635809 United States 11/28/2012 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well that was a funny sensation in stomach at the thought of a major quake in s america someone just experienced Quoting: aether lucky the moment is passing U sure it wasn't just bad beans or something? no it was not it was natural reponse to many people attempting to evoke a quake in s america with dumb arse posts on glp Why would anyone attempt to evoke a quake? Only a moran would attempt something like that. as if they could |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19535695 United States 11/28/2012 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no it was not it was natural reponse to many people attempting to evoke a quake in s america with dumb arse posts on glp Why would anyone attempt to evoke a quake? Only a moran would attempt something like that. as if they could maybe not one individual Le Palma but there are those practicing that could evoke this creature Aldinach - (Egyptian) A demon who causes natural disasters (i.e. floods, hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes). |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no it was not it was natural reponse to many people attempting to evoke a quake in s america with dumb arse posts on glp Why would anyone attempt to evoke a quake? Only a moran would attempt something like that. as if they could weird huh nice to see you |
Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that sound to be a manefestation of what Castaneda described as 'the crack of the world'...or the barrier between the world of 'reality' and the world of dreams. Quoting: Jonny Blaze Interesting. Is it described as a metallic sound? This was very distinctly metal on metal. Screeching. I believe it is different for different people. For me it was the sound of rushing water...or perhaps a jet engine. I have encountered it several times...and it is always the same type of sound for me. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 11/28/2012 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that sound to be a manefestation of what Castaneda described as 'the crack of the world'...or the barrier between the world of 'reality' and the world of dreams. Quoting: Jonny Blaze Interesting. Is it described as a metallic sound? This was very distinctly metal on metal. Screeching. I believe it is different for different people. For me it was the sound of rushing water...or perhaps a jet engine. I have encountered it several times...and it is always the same type of sound for me. I have had it more times than I can count. Most times it is a 'rushing' sound, like a roaring wind. For me, the sound doesn't come around anymore. But, it is associated with some type of transition your light bodies are going through at that time. Next time it happens, go with it. Ride the sound and you will be in for a shocker if you can make it all the way. Basically, you are transiting to a higher frequency layer of 'astral', or whatever you want to call it. When 'riding' the sound, it can shake you all over the place. You physically 'feel' the sound like a tornado. It can be very difficult to remain in the correct state of consciousness to fully ride the wind and make the transition. |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i experienced the grating metal upon metal just the once i was awake but laying in bed in night dark and in that era of my life i was content to experience thought forms as real, i still am really. i believe the thought form topic and my attitude to them is linked to the grating experience because i had satanist occult (their term) interested in me prompting me to be interested in them the stage their and my relationship had reached was me interested in what one of them told me which was they were involved in the occult because only they could emotionally reach the bottom of hell and return and because of this they had over many years become trusted by the occult leadership and above leading past satan to the original satan what they told me was with them on the inside and me being me it was possible for them to alter the original satan because it would allow them and only them access the day of me being told this story i experienced the grating sound above my head to the front of me accompanied by the distinct feeling something has arrived nothing more happened in the grating event and my subsequent conclusion to the satanist/occult proved satisfactory over the next few linear years not exactly as the original story but rather an improvised version formed as all went along in keeping with mood at the time Last Edited by aether on 11/28/2012 12:02 PM |
Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have had it more times than I can count. Most times it is a 'rushing' sound, like a roaring wind. For me, the sound doesn't come around anymore. But, it is associated with some type of transition your light bodies are going through at that time. Next time it happens, go with it. Ride the sound and you will be in for a shocker if you can make it all the way. Basically, you are transiting to a higher frequency layer of 'astral', or whatever you want to call it. When 'riding' the sound, it can shake you all over the place. You physically 'feel' the sound like a tornado. It can be very difficult to remain in the correct state of consciousness to fully ride the wind and make the transition. Quoting: Septenary Man I don't believe I experience it anymore, but I could be wrong. The last time I experienced it was in the laundry room with the old man. At that time, I was wide awake and walking, having just witnessed something that was literally unbelievable. The sound was slightly different...it started off sounding like some sort of a machine or an engine starting up. Then it got louder and louder until it was a deafening rushing water/jet engine type of sound. I think it is associated with 'changing speed' (of perception) or entering into a heightened state of awareness. What you describe reminds me of when I was at my sister in law's a year or two ago. I had knelt down and was trying to talk to their dog who was outside. The window was open and all that separated us was a screen door. The dog and I were right up against the screen door and suddenly barked at me, and I became strangely aware that time seemed to slow down. I could actually feel the energy of the bark flow through my body, and the dog's disposition changed immediately afterwards. It started panting with it's tongue hanging out and wagging its tail. I went outside and it was delighted to play with me for about ten minutes. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28603382 Canada 11/28/2012 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | maybe our environment provides special effects to our more meaningful experiences for reasons we are discovering Quoting: aether Altered shape is the simple answer. As shape is the general formulation of function. Tonal and chromal properties deviate within said form and we realize the feedback. I hate to be glib, but that is todays me. |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | maybe our environment provides special effects to our more meaningful experiences for reasons we are discovering Quoting: aether Altered shape is the simple answer. As shape is the general formulation of function. Tonal and chromal properties deviate within said form and we realize the feedback. I hate to be glib, but that is todays me. sounds good to me |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28603382 Canada 11/28/2012 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have had it more times than I can count. Most times it is a 'rushing' sound, like a roaring wind. For me, the sound doesn't come around anymore. But, it is associated with some type of transition your light bodies are going through at that time. Next time it happens, go with it. Ride the sound and you will be in for a shocker if you can make it all the way. Basically, you are transiting to a higher frequency layer of 'astral', or whatever you want to call it. When 'riding' the sound, it can shake you all over the place. You physically 'feel' the sound like a tornado. It can be very difficult to remain in the correct state of consciousness to fully ride the wind and make the transition. Quoting: Septenary Man I don't believe I experience it anymore, but I could be wrong. The last time I experienced it was in the laundry room with the old man. At that time, I was wide awake and walking, having just witnessed something that was literally unbelievable. The sound was slightly different...it started off sounding like some sort of a machine or an engine starting up. Then it got louder and louder until it was a deafening rushing water/jet engine type of sound. I think it is associated with 'changing speed' (of perception) or entering into a heightened state of awareness. What you describe reminds me of when I was at my sister in law's a year or two ago. I had knelt down and was trying to talk to their dog who was outside. The window was open and all that separated us was a screen door. The dog and I were right up against the screen door and suddenly barked at me, and I became strangely aware that time seemed to slow down. I could actually feel the energy of the bark flow through my body, and the dog's disposition changed immediately afterwards. It started panting with it's tongue hanging out and wagging its tail. I went outside and it was delighted to play with me for about ten minutes. Think of the auditory concavities in the ball courts, not even a whisper goes unheard. |
Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States 11/28/2012 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think of the auditory concavities in the ball courts, not even a whisper goes unheard. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus You mean like in a basketball court or a racquetball court? The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28603382 Canada 11/28/2012 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As I ascertained last yuletide season: How is density affecting forms function; As per effects? I hear all this talk of cleansed pineals and godhead awareness and I ask: If you do not know what you see/sense before you, as you do not have an open paradigm to ascertain difference in effect and the vocabulary to mechanize it into form; How is all the data in the world going to help you as you are not aware of how to measure effect? and then analogize it to alter percieved form in others mindseye? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28603382 Canada 11/28/2012 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think of the auditory concavities in the ball courts, not even a whisper goes unheard. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus You mean like in a basketball court or a racquetball court? Like say at ChichenItza or Xibalba. [link to www.chichenitza.com] |