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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering , anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
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I am going out on a limb, I think, but when I first began talking with you, aether, I remember being a little bit weirded out by your lack of emotion to specific things. I remember when you first said you felt 'love' for me and I was literally speechless. Now, we, and others, say that quite often.

Empathy is linked with love. It is connectivity that creates, rather than destroys. It is as complex as it is simple because of the human condition at this place in space.

It should become more natural, the more we explore our environment, and the more our environment explores us.
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as wonderful as experiencing increased/increasing emotions who`s nature prompts "soothes/empowers the soul" affect
there is always the possibility , out of the blue, the experience of sadness caused from others sadness
and
i believe i once shielded "without thought" myself from the possibility of knowing others sadness because generally my emotional experience was of a different texture prompting anger/indifference on occasions of others sadness
now
the nature of my experiencing emotions being , it feels , soothing/empowering ,

anger/indifference is evaporating and replaced by sadness at others heart felt loss/experience

i never used to experience that and because i possess no anger or indifference to block you have to think it through
which leads to all levels of knew to me thoughts
 Quoting: aether



That is Empathy.

To know empathy is to feel Compassion for all Life and All that IS.



Wonderful aether. To me, that makes today worth it.

:Seashell:

cheer
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cruise

I just read this after I posted the above@

I love you Seer!
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In previous explorations of human enlightenment, it has been of a singular event.

I believe we are experiencing it as a collective event at this place in space, and it is all the more enjoyable because of empathy and the magnificent, incredible, impossible feeling of sharing miracles.
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That is Empathy.

To know empathy is to feel Compassion for all Life and All that IS.



Wonderful aether. To me, that makes today worth it.

Seashell

cheer
 Quoting: Seer777


cruise

I just read this after I posted the above@

I love you Seer!
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grinning




banana




You know what they say about 'Great Minds'...

It's how we recognize one another.

In my experience.

WaveSurfers

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OK, I am done with my SAPiness.

I am going to bed.
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:WaveSurfers:

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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
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:WaveSurfers:

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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
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I feel the cool pucker just before she breaks.
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WaveSurfers

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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I feel the cool pucker just before she breaks.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


You think its Real?


Because it seems like it couldn't be...but also that it may be.

Exhilarating either way.

:)
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:WaveSurfers:

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God, every time you show that pick it makes my heart race. If you only knew what those surfers were feeling when that wave was breaking...

It is a mix of absolute terror, and absolute joy. How could you possibly explain such a state of emotion, except through personal experience?

Not one surfer is looking away.

Can you see the power of the feeling?
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I feel the cool pucker just before she breaks.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


You think its Real?


Because it seems like it couldn't be...but also that it may be.

Exhilarating either way.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Look at the subduction zone before it. She is sucking a deep trough before her. You can see the foamy swirl from the ripping of hydrostatic force against the skin of it.

Feel the plunge off the lip, like falling into an Idea or dream. Ecstasy at being part of the movable landscape and momentarily being provided it's force.

Damn
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It's real, Seer.

The Heaviest Surfing in the World: Teahupoo

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It's real, Seer.

The Heaviest Surfing in the World: Teahupoo


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Awesome!

How did you figure out where the pic was taken?



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you have met sade? can you explain that bit more please. I'm a little confused lol

hf
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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
 Quoting: aether


oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

hf
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

hf
 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


this is one of my favorite questions/discussions: what/who is Lucifer? (i'll refer to him as lucy)

and the first answer is always: many things to many people. absolute consensus does not exist and so in the end, you have to choose.


that being said, we can look at the old stories and within ourselves and think a bit.

lucy is/was an angel. there are many angels. angels are aspects of God's mind. so: angel =/= God, but part of God.

most agree on this interpretation.

further, lucy was named 'the bright light' of heaven. in some translations: the torch bearer. he was/is a pretty badass angel

then, something happened and he was 'removed' from the kingdom of heaven: lots of diferent stories around why and how, so we'll just leave it at the more simple what: somehow/why 'disconnected' from the rest of the angels and God.

thats the 'story' so far (well, my interpretation, anyway)

what follows is my own thought (subject to probable future change)

the angels are a metephores for the various aspects of God's mind. Since God and us are 'made in the same image', emerge from the same Rules, then all humans have analogs of the angels within us (or maybe a subset...?), including lucy.

this is important: Lucy is at one and the same time an angel and an aspect of the human mind. what ever we say about lucy , we say about ourselves: all of us.

what madame Blavatsky says is , in my opinion, partially correct.

Namely:

lucy = the logos = the logical mind = conscious ideas and processing. he is responsible for civilisation, much progress (in cleverness anyway) and independence.

he is the loudest voice in our conscious awareness: usually.
he has "ideas".

his aspect also gives rise to what i call 'the observer' within us. The one that always sees whats happening and will tell you (if u listen), but has no power to change anything or act in any way. The observer can be quite annoying when all you can do is hear his voice but haven't learned to rally the other aspects to actually implement change: sucks to watch one's self fail and have no power to change it.... this passes eventually, btw

his ideas are so strong, in fact, that we can be mislead by them, and can be infected by other human's ideas and be mislead by them as well, hence: the 'deceiver'

we have elevated him and his logical thought, his complexly beautifull ideas, as the 'guiding light' of our current civilisation (most of the last 12k years actually), or "god' in fact. our false god.

but that sad truth (for him and most/many? humans) is that, like our logical thought, lucy is limited, obsessed with control, and usually incorrect: a close aproximation perhaps, but in the end: off the mark.

his delishiously sweet ideas, so compelling, so easy to manipulate: mostly incorrect. usefull in the short term, but always off the mark if not guided by the deeper mind: the rest of the kingdom of heaven.

lucy is a fantastic pilot, but a terrible navigator.
The "all Father" that has lost his way cuz he denies the Mother.... and doesn't ever *listen*.

he is a strong (and very new) aspect to all our minds and a huge part of ascension is about realizing this truth and learning to put him in his proper place.

and listen to the true Navigator within.

just a little boy too full of his own awesomeness,,,,,

and whether we like it or not.


this will change.for some, that change will be devastating. and for others: liberating.
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


i agree
ignore them
let our environment devour them

hi jad rockon
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ignore works when there is nothing else left...something like ignoring mistakes from the past...
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
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I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
 Quoting: aether


oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

hf
 Quoting: thank you 29208752


okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

hf
 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


this is one of my favorite questions/discussions: what/who is Lucifer? (i'll refer to him as lucy)

and the first answer is always: many things to many people. absolute consensus does not exist and so in the end, you have to choose.


that being said, we can look at the old stories and within ourselves and think a bit.

lucy is/was an angel. there are many angels. angels are aspects of God's mind. so: angel =/= God, but part of God.

most agree on this interpretation.

further, lucy was named 'the bright light' of heaven. in some translations: the torch bearer. he was/is a pretty badass angel

then, something happened and he was 'removed' from the kingdom of heaven: lots of diferent stories around why and how, so we'll just leave it at the more simple what: somehow/why 'disconnected' from the rest of the angels and God.

thats the 'story' so far (well, my interpretation, anyway)

what follows is my own thought (subject to probable future change)

the angels are a metephores for the various aspects of God's mind. Since God and us are 'made in the same image', emerge from the same Rules, then all humans have analogs of the angels within us (or maybe a subset...?), including lucy.

this is important: Lucy is at one and the same time an angel and an aspect of the human mind. what ever we say about lucy , we say about ourselves: all of us.

what madame Blavatsky says is , in my opinion, partially correct.

Namely:

lucy = the logos = the logical mind = conscious ideas and processing. he is responsible for civilisation, much progress (in cleverness anyway) and independence.

he is the loudest voice in our conscious awareness: usually.
he has "ideas".

his aspect also gives rise to what i call 'the observer' within us. The one that always sees whats happening and will tell you (if u listen), but has no power to change anything or act in any way. The observer can be quite annoying when all you can do is hear his voice but haven't learned to rally the other aspects to actually implement change: sucks to watch one's self fail and have no power to change it.... this passes eventually, btw

his ideas are so strong, in fact, that we can be mislead by them, and can be infected by other human's ideas and be mislead by them as well, hence: the 'deceiver'

we have elevated him and his logical thought, his complexly beautifull ideas, as the 'guiding light' of our current civilisation (most of the last 12k years actually), or "god' in fact. our false god.

but that sad truth (for him and most/many? humans) is that, like our logical thought, lucy is limited, obsessed with control, and usually incorrect: a close aproximation perhaps, but in the end: off the mark.

his delishiously sweet ideas, so compelling, so easy to manipulate: mostly incorrect. usefull in the short term, but always off the mark if not guided by the deeper mind: the rest of the kingdom of heaven.

lucy is a fantastic pilot, but a terrible navigator.
The "all Father" that has lost his way cuz he denies the Mother.... and doesn't ever *listen*.

he is a strong (and very new) aspect to all our minds and a huge part of ascension is about realizing this truth and learning to put him in his proper place.

and listen to the true Navigator within.

just a little boy too full of his own awesomeness,,,,,

and whether we like it or not.


this will change.for some, that change will be devastating. and for others: liberating.

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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752



Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
 Quoting: just a dude


what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
 Quoting: memes are past 29208752


I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
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1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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i have met innocence in the context of your topic
it exists as a person(s)
very pronounced archetype features/expression of innocence that i could not have imagined without meeting/knowing myself
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oh good that's what I thought you meant...I understood the rest of your post...thank you Aether...I think you answered it perfectly within the topic of innocence and the opposite but could there exist an idividual that has both qualities of divinity and being diabolical at the same time? Asking anyone out there. Such heavy energy around me this past hour it's like I will try to grasp this answer then I can move through it..

Cause there are always other questions waiting to be asked chuckle

hf
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okay after reading some stuff my mind is spinning but this question of an entity being divine and diabolical at the same time is confusing me. This is what I found...

In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
[link to rense.com]


Then I found this quote which I liked :D

Divine,diabolical, sacred , profane , sinner, saint, unconditional love,forbidden lust. These are the different faces of God.

Deepak Chopra

So the answer to my question is Lucifer who is the creator who wears many faces? Confusing stuff here...I don't know why this question nags me so...probably because in my mind to be divine is not to be diabolical...

hf
 Quoting: rising energy brings quests 29208752


this is one of my favorite questions/discussions: what/who is Lucifer? (i'll refer to him as lucy)

and the first answer is always: many things to many people. absolute consensus does not exist and so in the end, you have to choose.


that being said, we can look at the old stories and within ourselves and think a bit.

lucy is/was an angel. there are many angels. angels are aspects of God's mind. so: angel =/= God, but part of God.

most agree on this interpretation.

further, lucy was named 'the bright light' of heaven. in some translations: the torch bearer. he was/is a pretty badass angel

then, something happened and he was 'removed' from the kingdom of heaven: lots of diferent stories around why and how, so we'll just leave it at the more simple what: somehow/why 'disconnected' from the rest of the angels and God.

thats the 'story' so far (well, my interpretation, anyway)

what follows is my own thought (subject to probable future change)

the angels are a metephores for the various aspects of God's mind. Since God and us are 'made in the same image', emerge from the same Rules, then all humans have analogs of the angels within us (or maybe a subset...?), including lucy.

this is important: Lucy is at one and the same time an angel and an aspect of the human mind. what ever we say about lucy , we say about ourselves: all of us.

what madame Blavatsky says is , in my opinion, partially correct.

Namely:

lucy = the logos = the logical mind = conscious ideas and processing. he is responsible for civilisation, much progress (in cleverness anyway) and independence.

he is the loudest voice in our conscious awareness: usually.
he has "ideas".

and you're here to tell people to not listen those "ideas".


his aspect also gives rise to what i call 'the observer' within us. The one that always sees whats happening and will tell you (if u listen), but has no power to change anything or act in any way. The observer can be quite annoying when all you can do is hear his voice but haven't learned to rally the other aspects to actually implement change: sucks to watch one's self fail and have no power to change it.... this passes eventually, btw

his ideas are so strong, in fact, that we can be mislead by them, and can be infected by other human's ideas and be mislead by them as well, hence: the 'deceiver'

we have elevated him and his logical thought, his complexly beautifull ideas, as the 'guiding light' of our current civilisation (most of the last 12k years actually), or "god' in fact. our false god.

but that sad truth (for him and most/many? humans) is that, like our logical thought, lucy is limited, obsessed with control, and usually incorrect: a close aproximation perhaps, but in the end: off the mark.

No, not the "sad truth". It's some dude giving his half baked theories with no evidence other than his "intuition". Not truth.

his delishiously sweet ideas, so compelling, so easy to manipulate: mostly incorrect. usefull in the short term, but always off the mark if not guided by the deeper mind: the rest of the kingdom of heaven.
What would those be???
lucy is a fantastic pilot, but a terrible navigator.
The "all Father" that has lost his way cuz he denies the Mother.... and doesn't ever *listen*.
How the fuck do you know??
he is a strong (and very new) aspect to all our minds and a huge part of ascension is about realizing this truth and learning to put him in his proper place.
What? Enki/Lucifer is an ancient god that has been around for thousands of years.
and listen to the true Navigator within.

just a little boy too full of his own awesomeness,,,,,
Ok, you are a weird christard or just have an unusual passive aggressive nature about you.
and whether we like it or not.
Sounds vindictive and nasty... get a strong "deceiver" vibe from you.

this will change.for some, that change will be devastating. and for others: liberating.
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Here is another 'take' on Lucifer:

One of the oldest Gods known to mankind, dating back over 12,000 years ago in the first human civilisations. Enki was known to be the leader of a group of Gods who came to aid humanity, offering knowledge and guidance.

The idea of the Devil was a blanket concept used to group many old gods together as being antagonistic towards humanity's development, which we know to be false through communcations with these beings and close study of history and mythology. Enki has been known as Lucifer - the Morning Star
Melek Ta'us
In Sumeria as Enki - Master of the Earth, Ea - Bringer of Knowledge
in Egypt as Ptah - The Creator
and in many other cultures branching from Celtic, Nordic and Greek all the way back to the original human settlements.

[link to www.enkiea.org]

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Well, that's the bottom line. In the 'divine', in the acts or moments of Grace, there is still free will. But detachment removes the atoner from the vessel so as to facilitate transfer of the natural Flow.

These diablo constructs are torments to the Mind, poisons to the Spirit. No need to bias negativity.

To transcend ignorance, passion and goodness
Without looking back
Blasting memes

Freaking memes!
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what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
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I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
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1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
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The idea of the Devil was a blanket concept used to group many old gods together as being antagonistic towards humanity's development, which we know to be false through communcations with these beings and close study of history and mythology. Enki has been known as Lucifer - the Morning Star
Melek Ta'us
In Sumeria as Enki - Master of the Earth, Ea - Bringer of Knowledge
in Egypt as Ptah - The Creator


the ancient communcation is all around us if you can feel it ;) Seeing has shit to do with it at this point...



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what you call poisons...I call just questioning everything...sorry guess I am in just a different space than you...my mind is running with questions...
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I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
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1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
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Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
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I think he is just saying that perhaps most people's idea of "divinity" as being passive and all "one love" "earthy crunchiness" could just be a misconception due to our culture's bias towards that peaceful angel image that Hollywood as well as Judeo-Christianity puts in our minds...Could be horseshit.

Perhaps the "angels" have a bit of a bite to them...for the right reasons.

They could look at humans as barbaric animals that need an iron fist at times to keep them in line...Perhaps that could be interpreted as diabolical...

Not sure
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1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
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Well I don't feel that's the right answer lol

hf
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and besides humans can be divine :P
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1dunno1 ray but barbaric is harsh no?
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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
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Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
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Well I don't feel that's the right answer lol

hf
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k...I'm not going to jump on the soap box and proclaim that I hold the ultimate truth...

It's just my opinion man...



hf

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humans can do things that gods can't and vice versa...sigh I need to find some music chuckle

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Yeah, usually. I was referring to humans as Barbaric compared to the "divine".
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Which would mean that they would have to 'stoop' down to their level in order to influence them.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Well I don't feel that's the right answer lol

hf
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k...I'm not going to jump on the soap box and proclaim that I hold the ultimate truth...

It's just my opinion man...



hf
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chuckle
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and besides humans can be divine :P
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Yeah...I hear ya...but being a divine human would put you in a higher consciousness level than humans...So they would be ticking at a higher frequency...Not really humans other than their physiology.
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Elephants Hold Apparent Vigil To Mourn Their Human Friend


"Lawrence Anthony was a conservationist and author known as "The Elephant Whisperer" who passed away on March 2nd.


In 1999, Anthony rescued and rehabilitated a group of wild South African elephants who were deemed dangerous. And the animals appear to remember what he did for them: when Anthony passed away, a group of elephants visited his house in the South African KwaZulu for a two-day vigil, according to his family.

Anthony, who grew up in rural Zimbabwe, Zambia and Malawi, was known for his unique ability to communicate with and calm traumatized elephants. In his book 'The Elephant Whisperer: My Life with the Herd in the African Wild', he tells the story of saving the elephant herds, at the request of an animal welfare organization.

Anthony concluded that the only way he could save these elephants, who were categorized as violent and unruly, was to live with them - "To save their lives, I would stay with them, feed them, talk to them. But, most importantly, be with them day and night".

When Anthony died of a heart attack, the elephants, who were grazing miles away in different parts of the park, travelled over 12 hours to reach his house. According to his son Jason, both herds arrived shortly after Anthony's death. They hadn't visited the compound where Anthony lived for a year and a half, but Jason says

"in coming up there on that day of all days, we certainly believe that they had sensed it"
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[link to www.cbc.ca]




:BodhiTree:
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That story raised a wonderful feeling in me seerstar.

We were once much closer to elephants than we are now I believe, and bigger.

[link to i.imgur.com]
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looks like the vortice is going in (in bound/entering)
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Why are the lambs legs bound?

What does this hint at?

Fate?

or

Non-compliance?

They are also crossed like an 'X'.


The starfish, resemble 'serpent stars', which I kept in my reef tank for a decade. They are very dynamic in the way they move...



hmm
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when "innocence" (lamb) does not know what is happening it is "tethered"(contained) until the event is complete for it`s own safety
seen in innocence`s duality expressions (twins) being contained simultaneously until event is completed
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That would make a lot of sense.
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Diabolically divine is the human condition imho.

We have all spectrum's within us, it is if we so choose to act upon them, choice... ahhh but to choose correctly, is there a right choice, or is the choice you make no matter the choice right because you made it.

Have I already made all my choices on another time line and right now I am just trying to understand them!!!

On another timeline I am diabolical on another divine, on this one I feel like the lamb, tied and bound, but my eyes are open, observing watching witnessing my choices, that I have already made, understanding myself more with each choice.

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