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Here is another 'take' on Lucifer:

One of the oldest Gods known to mankind, dating back over 12,000 years ago in the first human civilisations. Enki was known to be the leader of a group of Gods who came to aid humanity, offering knowledge and guidance.

The idea of the Devil was a blanket concept used to group many old gods together as being antagonistic towards humanity's development, which we know to be false through communcations with these beings and close study of history and mythology. Enki has been known as Lucifer - the Morning Star
Melek Ta'us
In Sumeria as Enki - Master of the Earth, Ea - Bringer of Knowledge
in Egypt as Ptah - The Creator
and in many other cultures branching from Celtic, Nordic and Greek all the way back to the original human settlements.

[link to www.enkiea.org]
 Quoting: Rayrayz


what a curious responce, Ray....

i *did* say first that lucy was many things to many people.
and in answer to your questions (last to first)

lucy =/= the devil. logic and sexuality only mix in the mind of a misguided christian. i have some funny ideas as to why the Romans supressed sex in christians.

i am always honest in my posts (occasionally taking poetic licence) and i come to GLP for genuine interaction and the true freedom of anon expression. curious that you respond by 'pointing fingers' at me?

the last there was a statement of my belief that we are(the human race) an expression (rather than the cause) of changes around us and that many changes happen while many humans 'kick and scream'.
change happens whether we like it or not: sometimes it hurts like hell.

why do you think so many humans interpreted the birth of consciousness (and the awkward awareness it brings) as a *punishment* ? awareness hurts before it feels good, quite often.

of course , lucy has been around for thousands of years, since the dawn of conscious awareness: shit, lucy is largely * responsible* for that birthing. he is trully: the torch bearer
the problem is that he is only *part* of our mind, and in my opinion, a small part: important, but small and in some ways, quite flawed. this i know from experience: not books.

what would the rest of the kingdom of heaven be? thats a darn good question. the other 90% of our mind? all the other angels? the feeling part. the creative part? lucy analyses and error checks, but cannot truly *create*. in my opinion of course and based on my experience.
any artist will tell you that there best work always comes from "somewhere else' and many will tell you that didn't even think it was *them* that was doing it. I also have had that experience: moving so deeply in the flow that it feels as if you are along for the ride and have no idea where you are going or what you are really doing, but after its all over and you look back on what you have wrought you see that you coulkd never have planned the 'perfection' that sits before you. just sayin

'half baked' , eh? sticks and stones, friend, sticks and stones. i mearly express my own truth. why are you so threatenned that you need to attack me?

'telling people not to listen to them'. is that what you get from my words? too bad.

look, Ray, anything in excess is poisonous, including 'ideas'. if if one uses a screwdriver to acomplish the task of hammering, one will have problems.

i believe that lucy is out of balance (not evil) in our society and in our minds and that everybody suffers as a result.

i do not require that you agree with me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24542515


So you are pointing at this mythological deity as the source of all our suffering?


The AC was asking for real information I believe. Possibly something she could research about Lucifer. I believe she took your words as some kind of common knowledge about the subject. It isn't.

I wanted to make it clear that it was just your interpretation(pulled it out of thin air)...and tbh it's a pretty negative and slanted view.

When you use words such as "the sad truth" and follow it up with some cocksure statement, some people will take that to be some kind of statement backed up by facts.

Perhaps my language was a little salty...but honestly, at the time I wanted to discuss it with you in hopes of clearing up the fact that you were indeed just doing some kind of 'free flow' writing...Which I have no problem with, it's just the authoritative tone you used regarding a subject that can't possibly be known for sure.

It reminded me a bit of the role players on the Nobody threads...and how they just make stuff up out of thin air.
 Quoting: Rayrayz


Actually it's just us refusing to take responsibility for our own conciousness. However, some believe this has manifested a being which is the sum of this refused conciousness.

It is the sum archetype of casting blame on other.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Yeah, that is my 'feeling' as well. I see the "blame lucifer" mumbo jumbo as a distraction... along the lines of the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause.
 
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