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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32430667 United States 01/24/2013 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the past century several authorities noticed that Greek and Latin astronomical texts show a mysterious confusion of the "Sun"--Greek Helios, Latin Sol--with the outermost planet, Saturn. Though the designation seems bizarre, the expression "star of Helios" or "star of Sol" was applied to Saturn! Of the Babylonian star-worshippers the chronicler Diodorus writes: "To the one we call Saturn they give a special name, 'Sun-Star.'" Quoting: observationSimilarly, the Greek historian Nonnus gives Kronos as the Arab name of the "sun," though Kronos meant only Saturn and no other celestial body. Hyginus, in listing the planets, names first Jupiter, then the planet "of Sol, others say of Saturn." A Greek ostrakon, cited by the eminent classicist Franz Boll, identifies the Egyptian sun god Ra, not with our sun, but with the planet Saturn. This repeated confusion of the Sun and Saturn seems to make no sense at all. Can you imagine any difficulty in separating the two bodies, or distinguishing the one from the other? One fact beyond dispute is that the word Helios did become the Greek word for our Sun, just as the Latin Sol gave his name to our Sun. The same can be said for the older Shamash and Ra: the names of these gods became the names for the solar orb. But that's where the connection with our Sun ends and the mystery of Saturn, the Universal Monarch, begins. ra=saturn=yaldaboath sol=saboath imo yes i said earlier "you go into it" altered field state "pinch" and you are here and there within memory field you feel what is right while you are there and match it to evidence here to prove you are right in your "feelings" multi tasking zen nurse ok, your hard to understand sometimes, lol |
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Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 31248385 United States 01/24/2013 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :) Yes. I think some come and go. And others are for life...Just depends where you're at. The Native American animal symbolism of the bat comes from a keen observation of this magnificent animal. These people recognized that the bat was highly sensitive to their surroundings and so therefore was considered a symbol of intuition, dreaming and vision. This made the bat a powerful symbol for Native American shamans and medicine people. Often the spirit of the bat would be invoked when special energy was needed, like "night-sight" which is the ability to see through illusion or ambiguity and dive straight to the truth of matters. It is a symbol of communication because the Native Americans observed the bat to be a highly social creature. Indeed, the bat has strong family ties. They are very nurturing, exhibiting verbal communication, touching, and sensitivity to members of their group. Here is a quick-list of bat animal symbolism: Illusion Rebirth Dreams Intuition Initiation Journeying Inner Depth Communication The bat is a symbol of rebirth and depth because it is a creature that lives in the belly of the Mother (Earth). From the womb-like caves it emerges every evening at dusk. And so - from the womb it is reborn every evening. If you have the bat as your totem you are extremely aware of your surroundings. Sometimes you can be overly sensitive to the feelings of others. Additionally, you are quite perceptive on a psychic level, and are prone to have prophetic dreams. [link to www.whats-your-sign.com] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
nobody User ID: 32446950 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the past century several authorities noticed that Greek and Latin astronomical texts show a mysterious confusion of the "Sun"--Greek Helios, Latin Sol--with the outermost planet, Saturn. Though the designation seems bizarre, the expression "star of Helios" or "star of Sol" was applied to Saturn! Of the Babylonian star-worshippers the chronicler Diodorus writes: "To the one we call Saturn they give a special name, 'Sun-Star.'" Quoting: observationSimilarly, the Greek historian Nonnus gives Kronos as the Arab name of the "sun," though Kronos meant only Saturn and no other celestial body. Hyginus, in listing the planets, names first Jupiter, then the planet "of Sol, others say of Saturn." A Greek ostrakon, cited by the eminent classicist Franz Boll, identifies the Egyptian sun god Ra, not with our sun, but with the planet Saturn. This repeated confusion of the Sun and Saturn seems to make no sense at all. Can you imagine any difficulty in separating the two bodies, or distinguishing the one from the other? One fact beyond dispute is that the word Helios did become the Greek word for our Sun, just as the Latin Sol gave his name to our Sun. The same can be said for the older Shamash and Ra: the names of these gods became the names for the solar orb. But that's where the connection with our Sun ends and the mystery of Saturn, the Universal Monarch, begins. ra=saturn=yaldaboath sol=saboath imo ka,, ra,, ya,, sa,, ta,, ha,, la,, creations seven core vibrational sounds,, interesting indeed,, much love,, much love,, |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19535695 United States 01/24/2013 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the past century several authorities noticed that Greek and Latin astronomical texts show a mysterious confusion of the "Sun"--Greek Helios, Latin Sol--with the outermost planet, Saturn. Though the designation seems bizarre, the expression "star of Helios" or "star of Sol" was applied to Saturn! Of the Babylonian star-worshippers the chronicler Diodorus writes: "To the one we call Saturn they give a special name, 'Sun-Star.'" Quoting: observationSimilarly, the Greek historian Nonnus gives Kronos as the Arab name of the "sun," though Kronos meant only Saturn and no other celestial body. Hyginus, in listing the planets, names first Jupiter, then the planet "of Sol, others say of Saturn." A Greek ostrakon, cited by the eminent classicist Franz Boll, identifies the Egyptian sun god Ra, not with our sun, but with the planet Saturn. This repeated confusion of the Sun and Saturn seems to make no sense at all. Can you imagine any difficulty in separating the two bodies, or distinguishing the one from the other? One fact beyond dispute is that the word Helios did become the Greek word for our Sun, just as the Latin Sol gave his name to our Sun. The same can be said for the older Shamash and Ra: the names of these gods became the names for the solar orb. But that's where the connection with our Sun ends and the mystery of Saturn, the Universal Monarch, begins. ra=saturn=yaldaboath sol=saboath imo ka,, ra,, ya,, sa,, ta,, ha,, la,, creations seven core vibrational sounds,, interesting indeed,, much love,, much love,, These as well nobody :) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Solfeggio tones In Gnosis I, Boris Mouravieff corresponds the solfege to the descending scale of the Ray of Creation from esoteric cosmology: DOminus (God) SIdereus orbis (Starry sky/Ensemble of all Worlds) LActeus orbis (the Milky Way) SOL (the Sun) FAtum (Fate: the Planetary World, with direct influence on human destiny) MIxtus orbis (the Earth, under the mixed rule of Good and Evil) REgina astris (the Moon, ruler of human fate) He also corresponds UT to the uterus in the birth of flesh, and SI as representing "the door of the second Birth, according to the Spirit".[16] In all of Hindustani music and Carnatic music (two major branches of Indian classical music), a form of solfège called swara or sargam is the first lesson. In Indian classical music the corresponding sounds of solfege are sa, re (ri), ga, ma, pa, dha, ni and back to sa. The Sanhita portion of the Samaveda (Hindu holy verses), that date back to 1300-1000 BCE[dubious – discuss] were later set to music using this technique. This is the earliest known origin of the solfège. :rayofhope2: Octaves of light throught sounds for creation One can only begin to imagine what the symphony of creation sounded like |
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completejigsaw User ID: 32748367 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello, my first post here. The Bible states 'that in the beginning was the word!' but were there any words? or the predated pictures? or sounds? Shouldn't it be that in the beginning there was sound! I read a channeler somewhere and it said 'God sighed!' Isn't that more obvious to create the matter? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19535695 United States 01/24/2013 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | or Solar (from sunup to sunup) Sabbath / Sabbatu ( day of rest for the soul) Saturday / Saturns Day Sunday / Sols Day However, may I ask, how did you come to the conclusion that Saboath is Sabbath? Sabaoth early 14c., from L.L., from Gk. Sabaoth, from Heb. tzebhaoth "hosts, armies," plural of tzabha "army." A word translated in O.T. in phrase "the Lord of Hosts," but originally left untranslated in N.T. and "Te Deum" in the designation Lord of Sabaoth; often confused with sabbath (q.v.). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8867724 United States 01/24/2013 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello, my first post here. Quoting: completejigsaw The Bible states 'that in the beginning was the word!' but were there any words? or the predated pictures? or sounds? Shouldn't it be that in the beginning there was sound! I read a channeler somewhere and it said 'God sighed!' Isn't that more obvious to create the matter? There is no difference. It is all energy. Sound is viabration of particles in atomosphere where light is vibration or particles in space. Anti is just inverse. |
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aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To take it a little further. Is the 'neutrian' the anti sound or antimatter??? Quoting: completejigsaw Hello, my first post here. Quoting: completejigsaw The Bible states 'that in the beginning was the word!' but were there any words? or the predated pictures? or sounds? Shouldn't it be that in the beginning there was sound! I read a channeler somewhere and it said 'God sighed!' Isn't that more obvious to create the matter? There is no difference. It is all energy. Sound is viabration of particles in atomosphere where light is vibration or particles in space. Anti is just inverse. hey complete j we could say the same process (function) in a different location (structure) is a differing affect of the same cause structure and function can never be seperated Last Edited by aether on 01/24/2013 02:56 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8867724 United States 01/24/2013 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To take it a little further. Is the 'neutrian' the anti sound or antimatter??? Quoting: completejigsaw Hello, my first post here. Quoting: completejigsaw The Bible states 'that in the beginning was the word!' but were there any words? or the predated pictures? or sounds? Shouldn't it be that in the beginning there was sound! I read a channeler somewhere and it said 'God sighed!' Isn't that more obvious to create the matter? There is no difference. It is all energy. Sound is viabration of particles in atomosphere where light is vibration or particles in space. Anti is just inverse. hey complete j we could say the same process (function) in a different location (structure) is a differing affect of the same cause structure and function can never be seperated Yeah. What aether says. ^_^ |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 31248385 United States 01/24/2013 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of Jupiter/Saturn talk of late... With the deposing of his father, Cronus/Saturn became the ruler of the Universe for untold ages and he reigned with his sister, Rhea/Ops, who also became his wife. It was prophesied that one day Cronus would lose power when one of his children would depose him. To prevent this from happening, each time Rhea delivered a child Cronus would immediately swallow them. When her sixth child, Zeus, was born, Rhea had him spirited away to the island of Crete. She then wrapped a stone in his swaddling clothes. Her deception was complete when Cronus swallowed it, thinking it was the child. When Zeus was grown, he secured the job of cup-bearer to his father. With the help of Gaia, his grandmother, Zeus fed his father a potion that caused him to vomit up Zeus's five siblings, Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades and Poseidon. A devastating war that nearly destroyed the Universe ensued between Cronus and his five brothers and Zeus and his five brothers and sisters. Zeus persuaded the fifty headed monsters to fight with him which enabled him to make use of their weapons of thunder, lightning and earthquake. He also convinced the Titan, Prometheus, who was incredibly wise, to join his side. With his forces, Zeus was victorious and the Olympians reigned supreme. Cronus and his brothers were imprisoned in the Tartarus, a dark gloomy region at the end of the Earth. In Roman mythology when Jupiter (Zeus) ascended the throne, Saturn (Cronus) fled to Rome and established the Golden Age, a time of perfect peace and harmony, which lasted as long as he reigned. In memory of the Golden Age, the Feast of Saturnalia was held every year in the winter at the Winter Solstice. During this time no war could be declared, slaves and masters ate at the same table, executions were postponed and it was a season for giving gifts. This was a time of total abandon and merry making. It refreshed the idea of equality, of a time when all men were on the same level. Christians adopted the feast and renamed it Christmas. When the festival ended, the tax collectors appeared and all money owed out to government, landlords, or debtors had to be accounted for. [link to avalon100.tripod.com] Awesome... Quoting: Seer777 :jupiterMoonJan22: Quoting: IwantToBelieve76 Get it here: [link to spaceweather.com] Moon and Jupiter Conjunction Seen Over Los Angeles [link to www.space.com] Jupiter and the Moon: Dazzling Stargazer Photos of Jan. 21, 2013 [link to www.space.com] Anyone else besides Fringe and I watch this last night? It was in conjunction when I mentioned here, on the West Coast. It was really something to behold. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
completejigsaw User ID: 32748367 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does complete j stand for? Complete jerk!!! When I was in the investment analysis industry I always found that if you ask a stupid question you get the best response, and a real one, because the other side is not expecting it and so has to think! It is a bit like playing back a slow ball to a tennis professional, they are not used to it. So here comes my stupid question. If a sound frequency can create matter, can it destroy that matter or is the neutrian the only thing that we know of that can do that? Is it the yin/yang? and hence related to the Torus. What goes around, comes around! Remember I think that ALL words come from him and there are multiple messages in each for us. Thanks for your previous responses, I will try and sort them out in my head. By the way, Aether, you have some brilliant posts here! Well done. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036731 Canada 01/24/2013 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of Jupiter/Saturn talk of late... With the deposing of his father, Cronus/Saturn became the ruler of the Universe for untold ages and he reigned with his sister, Rhea/Ops, who also became his wife. It was prophesied that one day Cronus would lose power when one of his children would depose him. To prevent this from happening, each time Rhea delivered a child Cronus would immediately swallow them. When her sixth child, Zeus, was born, Rhea had him spirited away to the island of Crete. She then wrapped a stone in his swaddling clothes. Her deception was complete when Cronus swallowed it, thinking it was the child. When Zeus was grown, he secured the job of cup-bearer to his father. With the help of Gaia, his grandmother, Zeus fed his father a potion that caused him to vomit up Zeus's five siblings, Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades and Poseidon. A devastating war that nearly destroyed the Universe ensued between Cronus and his five brothers and Zeus and his five brothers and sisters. Zeus persuaded the fifty headed monsters to fight with him which enabled him to make use of their weapons of thunder, lightning and earthquake. He also convinced the Titan, Prometheus, who was incredibly wise, to join his side. With his forces, Zeus was victorious and the Olympians reigned supreme. Cronus and his brothers were imprisoned in the Tartarus, a dark gloomy region at the end of the Earth. In Roman mythology when Jupiter (Zeus) ascended the throne, Saturn (Cronus) fled to Rome and established the Golden Age, a time of perfect peace and harmony, which lasted as long as he reigned. In memory of the Golden Age, the Feast of Saturnalia was held every year in the winter at the Winter Solstice. During this time no war could be declared, slaves and masters ate at the same table, executions were postponed and it was a season for giving gifts. This was a time of total abandon and merry making. It refreshed the idea of equality, of a time when all men were on the same level. Christians adopted the feast and renamed it Christmas. When the festival ended, the tax collectors appeared and all money owed out to government, landlords, or debtors had to be accounted for. [link to avalon100.tripod.com] Awesome... Quoting: Seer777 :jupiterMoonJan22: Quoting: IwantToBelieve76 Get it here: [link to spaceweather.com] Moon and Jupiter Conjunction Seen Over Los Angeles [link to www.space.com] Jupiter and the Moon: Dazzling Stargazer Photos of Jan. 21, 2013 [link to www.space.com] Anyone else besides Fringe and I watch this last night? It was in conjunction when I mentioned here, on the West Coast. It was really something to behold. The deposition of Saturn for Jupiter is likely the creme in the gateau. |
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aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does complete j stand for? Complete jerk!!! Quoting: completejigsaw When I was in the investment analysis industry I always found that if you ask a stupid question you get the best response, and a real one, because the other side is not expecting it and so has to think! It is a bit like playing back a slow ball to a tennis professional, they are not used to it. So here comes my stupid question. If a sound frequency can create matter, can it destroy that matter or is the neutrian the only thing that we know of that can do that? Is it the yin/yang? and hence related to the Torus. What goes around, comes around! Remember I think that ALL words come from him and there are multiple messages in each for us. Thanks for your previous responses, I will try and sort them out in my head. By the way, Aether, you have some brilliant posts here! Well done. no easier for me to write cj would be best |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19535695 United States 01/24/2013 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can't help but think there will be a report of a GRB soon where it comes from will be very telling Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~< :gama burst and: it came as soon as you said it Ursa Minor huh Ursa Minor, the Little Bear, represents Arcas, the son of the Great Mother Bear , Also has Polaris on the tip of its tail and this This constellation also represents Arcas, the son of the Zeus (Jupiter, Jove), and Callisto (Kallisto - Ursa Major or Arktos) :bears: will look further into this one Grand Day All !! Seer that GRB matched right up with the Jupiter Moon Conjunction , so yes I can see how this is a puzzle in the making of course How is your visit going ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036731 Canada 01/24/2013 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does complete j stand for? Complete jerk!!! Quoting: completejigsaw When I was in the investment analysis industry I always found that if you ask a stupid question you get the best response, and a real one, because the other side is not expecting it and so has to think! It is a bit like playing back a slow ball to a tennis professional, they are not used to it. So here comes my stupid question. If a sound frequency can create matter, can it destroy that matter or is the neutrian the only thing that we know of that can do that? Is it the yin/yang? and hence related to the Torus. What goes around, comes around! Remember I think that ALL words come from him and there are multiple messages in each for us. Thanks for your previous responses, I will try and sort them out in my head. By the way, Aether, you have some brilliant posts here! Well done. There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. I'm kidding of course. As stupidity is ceasing to believe in change or being able to learn. Not asking stupid questions is more detrimental to process than mute supposition. Imo, it isn't solely frequency but the subtlety to know when what is there is open to change. Essentially the properties of what is there. Nothing is created or destroyed, solely borrowed for a time. Play the right tune and people dance. |
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Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 31248385 United States 01/24/2013 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astrological Saturn has always been associated with the letter of the law and Gnostics and Kabbalists have identified Saturn with the god of Early Scripture, whom they regarded as a tyrannical father, obsessed with rigid enforcement of the law. There is a symbolic link between Saturn and the God of Early Scripture through the use of Saturday. Saturn's Day, the seventh day of Scripture, the holy day of rest. There is a symbolic connection between the Trinity of the New Testament and Ouranos (Uranus) Saturn (Cronus) and Jupiter (Zeus). Ouranos, the first father figure, was the Greek version of Varuna, the Vedic creator god. Then Saturn castrated Ouranos, ending his generative power. Finally, came Jupiter, who, like a Jesus figure, was perceived as a savior, so that future generations would not be tyrannized by an obsessed deity. Saturn is the most complex sign in the zodiac. Most of the other planets reveal their negative or problematic side when combined with Saturn yet, when Saturn is in a beneficent position, it's rewards are more substantial than those of any other planet. Saturn has a somewhat polarized role against Jupiter in astrology. Saturn gets the blame for all the things sad, unfortunate, and terrible while Jupiter gets the credit for all things positive, good and however, as in real life, this unfair and untrue. [link to avalon100.tripod.com] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can't help but think there will be a report of a GRB soon where it comes from will be very telling Quoting: >~* Flutterby Fringe*~< :gama burst and: it came as soon as you said it Ursa Minor huh Ursa Minor, the Little Bear, represents Arcas, the son of the Great Mother Bear , Also has Polaris on the tip of its tail and this This constellation also represents Arcas, the son of the Zeus (Jupiter, Jove), and Callisto (Kallisto - Ursa Major or Arktos) :bears: will look further into this one Grand Day All !! Seer that GRB matched right up with the Jupiter Moon Conjunction , so yes I can see how this is a puzzle in the making of course How is your visit going ? i notice that now i did not listen to grb`s until you noted that last one as coming and it did so i was ready to see it`s fit which i do it`s lovely not feedback i am used to Last Edited by aether on 01/24/2013 03:31 PM |
aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That gas giant dwarf star (ie Saturn, Jupiter) came into proximity of a much larger star (our current Sun), which drew the ion flow, and reduced the glow of the dwarf star. Quoting: observation[link to liamscheff.com] - Jupiter or Star? Both… Note, the scale of this artist’s image is incorrect; the glow of a brown dwarf is huge, and, to quote Thornhill, “is able to accommodate orbiting planets within a natal cocoon.” |
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aether (OP) User ID: 28218601 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some pretty amazing stuff here... Quoting: MissionInvisible Animals have an amazing capability to align with planetary fields... This article explains/details part of a study about Dung beetles and their innate ability to align with the stars! [link to www.sciencedaily.com] "An insect with a tiny brain and minimal computing power has become the first animal proven to use the Milky Way for orientation. Scientists from South Africa and Sweden have published findings showing the link between dung beetles and the spray of stars which comprises our galaxy." I am so glad more and more research is being dedicated to animals and their relationship with constellations...wish they would perform more studies relating to humans and their activities related to celestial objects positioning but we all know these wouldn't fly... Magnetic Orientation and Navigation in Marine Turtles, Lobsters, and Molluscs: Concepts and Conundrums [link to icb.oxfordjournals.org] Cattle, Deer Graze Along Earth's Magnetic Field [link to news.nationalgeographic.com] A few threads about magnetite in humans (the article above about the beetles mainly highlights their sense of various wavelenghts of light) but all of this is connected: Thread: New Research - Animal Migration and Magnetism - The Source of Guidance: Magnetite Thread: Magnetite In The Brain. Want to learn more? Visit Google Scholar (I am not sure if the scholarly articles will post here) and then type in "Animals AND magnetite" or "humans AND magnetite" then scroll through some of the studies being published nowadays, you will be surprised at the number of studies on these two subjects...if you want to dig in even further, add electromagnetic field in to some of the search queries Thread: Insects Found to Use Stars (Milky Way) for Orientation Last Edited by aether on 01/24/2013 03:39 PM |
completejigsaw User ID: 32748367 United Kingdom 01/24/2013 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the film post Aether, I am listening to it now. Make two more comments. I am a channeler and for some reason 'HE' wanted me to know the story of George and the Dragon; it came from a very personal experience. Of course, the story is that the Dragon was an illusion! Another thing is there is a moon post by someone called something like Sambuccoll, although I cannot find it. He is an ascended Chinese Illuminati type figure but seems to be helping on the outside. He says that there was a lot of negotiations in respect of the moon control centre and the moon was/or has been taken away. Anyway there seems to be different factions on the moon, positive and negative. When he returned he had a very bad experience with a 'being' from Saturn, supposedly they are a control behind the moon control. It sounds very far fetched but resonates with me. Any input? |