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Azeratel Axo

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Yes.

Me too.

My very first thought was something which would most likely not be taken well and I can understand why. But is it said that Electro-convulsive therapy is beneficial in cases of severe and debilitating depression.

I have heard it's a bit like a re-boot to the brain. But after the horrors psychiatrist have visited on the mentally ill just over the last 100 years or so, causes me to not want to suggest that.

Dunno.

It's very sad to hear of someone suffering so completely like that. I was also going to suggest Cannabis as well, but that can make people paranoid in some cases and might worsen the situation. As it is a mild hallucinogen.
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ECT can 'erase' memories.

That alone disqualifies it, IMO.

hmm

What about 'wireheading'?

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Yes.

Me too.

My very first thought was something which would most likely not be taken well and I can understand why. But is it said that Electro-convulsive therapy is beneficial in cases of severe and debilitating depression.

I have heard it's a bit like a re-boot to the brain. But after the horrors psychiatrist have visited on the mentally ill just over the last 100 years or so, causes me to not want to suggest that.

Dunno.

It's very sad to hear of someone suffering so completely like that. I was also going to suggest Cannabis as well, but that can make people paranoid in some cases and might worsen the situation. As it is a mild hallucinogen.
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ECT can 'erase' memories.

That alone disqualifies it, IMO.

hmm

What about 'wireheading'?

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Is that right?

hmm

Perhaps her memories are what is haunting her. Maybe not. It is just something I remember hearing in a couple of psych classes and in a documentary I watched and was my first 'flash' after reading the OP.

That the only benefits they 'found' after using said, was on depressed patients.

Wireheading sounds awful. How would that help?

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Perhaps her memories are what is haunting her. Maybe not. It is just something I remember hearing in a couple of psych classes and in a documentary I watched and was my first 'flash' after reading the OP.

That the only benefits they 'found' after using said, was on depressed patients.
 Quoting: Seer777


hmm

MDMA, anyone?

Wireheading sounds awful. How would that help?

blink
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The New Abolitionism

Within a few centuries, it will be technically if not ideologically feasible to abolish suffering of any kind.

If we wish to do so, then genetic engineering and nanotechnology can be used to banish unpleasant modes of consciousness from the living world.

In their place, gradients of life-long, genetically pre-programmed well-being may animate our descendants instead.

Millennia if not centuries hence, the world's last aversive experience may even be a precisely dateable event: perhaps a minor pain in an obscure marine invertebrate.


Far-fetched? Right now, the abolitionist project sounds fanciful. The task of redesigning our legacy-wetware still seems daunting.

Rewriting the vertebrate genome, and re-engineering the global ecosystem, certainly pose immense scientific challenges even to a technologically advanced civilisation.


The ideological obstacles to a happy world, however, are more formidable still.

For we've learned how to rationalise the need for mental pain - even though its nastier varieties blight innumerable lives, and even though its very existence will soon become optional.


 Quoting: wireheading dot com front page @ [link to www.wireheading.com]




"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions

by a riskless implementation of an electrode -

without impairing intelligence and the critical mind -

I would be the first patient."


Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005)

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"The mind is its own place, and in itself

Can make a Heav'n of Hell,

a Hell of Heaven"


Satan, in Milton's 'Paradise Lost'

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Perhaps her memories are what is haunting her. Maybe not. It is just something I remember hearing in a couple of psych classes and in a documentary I watched and was my first 'flash' after reading the OP.

That the only benefits they 'found' after using said, was on depressed patients.
 Quoting: Seer777


hmm

MDMA, anyone?

Wireheading sounds awful. How would that help?

blink
 Quoting: Seer777


The New Abolitionism

Within a few centuries, it will be technically if not ideologically feasible to abolish suffering of any kind.

If we wish to do so, then genetic engineering and nanotechnology can be used to banish unpleasant modes of consciousness from the living world.

In their place, gradients of life-long, genetically pre-programmed well-being may animate our descendants instead.

Millennia if not centuries hence, the world's last aversive experience may even be a precisely dateable event: perhaps a minor pain in an obscure marine invertebrate.


Far-fetched? Right now, the abolitionist project sounds fanciful. The task of redesigning our legacy-wetware still seems daunting.

Rewriting the vertebrate genome, and re-engineering the global ecosystem, certainly pose immense scientific challenges even to a technologically advanced civilisation.


The ideological obstacles to a happy world, however, are more formidable still.

For we've learned how to rationalise the need for mental pain - even though its nastier varieties blight innumerable lives, and even though its very existence will soon become optional.


 Quoting: wireheading dot com front page @ [link to www.wireheading.com]




"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions

by a riskless implementation of an electrode -

without impairing intelligence and the critical mind -

I would be the first patient."


Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005)

~

"The mind is its own place, and in itself

Can make a Heav'n of Hell,

a Hell of Heaven"


Satan, in Milton's 'Paradise Lost'
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


MDMA wears off and can cause one to feel awful after. NOt to mention brain fog. I wouldn't suggest drug therapy of that kind.

If one had let's say a button they could push to receive pleasure, then how would anything ever get done? One could just sit around in a squirming mass of self pleasure.

hmm


What is one to do with someone who is suffering so completely they have stopped eating and sleeping and are begging for death?

What to do...?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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MDMA wears off and can cause one to feel awful after. NOt to mention brain fog. I wouldn't suggest drug therapy of that kind.

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Really?

It was placed in Schedule One despite an entire committee recommending Schedule Three

If one had let's say a button they could push to receive pleasure, then how would anything ever get done? One could just sit around in a squirming mass of self pleasure.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


I'm thinking of a word

It has four letters

And it is an acronym

hmm

What is one to do with someone who is suffering so completely they have stopped eating and sleeping and are begging for death?

What to do...?
 Quoting: Seer777




[link to youtu.be]

this band is 'meh' IMO



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MDMA wears off and can cause one to feel awful after. NOt to mention brain fog. I wouldn't suggest drug therapy of that kind.

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Really?

It was placed in Schedule One despite an entire committee recommending Schedule Three

Well I was thinking of something which could be a more permanent solution without constant 'drugging'.

Having taken MDMA in the distant past, I know how I felt the next day. Attempting simple addition took on a complexity I found alarming. I felt like my Mind had been stuffed with cotton.


If one had let's say a button they could push to receive pleasure, then how would anything ever get done? One could just sit around in a squirming mass of self pleasure.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


I'm thinking of a word

It has four letters

And it is an acronym

hmm

Not following you here. hmm

What is one to do with someone who is suffering so completely they have stopped eating and sleeping and are begging for death?

What to do...?
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[link to youtu.be]

this band is 'meh' IMO



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Speedballs? Isn't that what killed River Phoenix?
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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Well I was thinking of something which could be a more permanent solution without constant 'drugging'.

Having taken MDMA in the distant past, I know how I felt the next day. Attempting simple addition took on a complexity I found alarming. I felt like my Mind had been stuffed with cotton.

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Yes, it is intended for occasional sessions. With a qualified counselor.

Creator 'Sasha' Shulgin's name for it was ADAM.

It reduces us to our most basic state, wherein old 'tangles' of dissonance simply cannot hold any power.

It is capable of removing, say, marriage problems in just a single session.

It is a miracle... it lifts away our ego, allowing us to see the world as we were meant to see it, before anything was ever evil.

Not following you here. hmm

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ASMR

It is both 'addictive' and a close match for at least 'some' of the (potential, placement-based) euphoric properties of wireheading.... no?

Speedballs? Isn't that what killed River Phoenix?

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Probably.

More importantly,

Why?

hmm

....although I was not referring to 'speedballs'.

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Thread: What is the most creative swear you've ever heard?

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And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming!
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Personally, I think that when one is severely depressed to the point of begging to die, that a quick fix utilizing pleasure chemicals with their known after effects, could do more harm than good.

Especially, something as addictive/dangerous as some of the things you are suggesting.

hmm



I think I will sleep on it. nn pi. Thanks for the convo.

:)
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Personally, I think that when one is severely depressed to the point of begging to die, that a quick fix utilizing pleasure chemicals with their known after effects, could do more harm than good.

Especially, something as addictive/dangerous as some of the things you are suggesting.

hmm



I think I will sleep on it. nn pi. Thanks for the convo.

:)
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hf

My apologies for not doing this sooner, I was predisposed:

Sweet dreams. tounge
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Personally, I think that when one is severely depressed to the point of begging to die, that a quick fix utilizing pleasure chemicals with their known after effects, could do more harm than good.
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im not sure about this sometimes there can be equasions that amplisignitures developed from this creation. they can act as a catalyst upsurge in various densities inherintly. one has to be depressed in order to be depressed
if you are not it is denial you can adapt habits disctractions impulses beyond control.
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Personally, I think that when one is severely depressed to the point of begging to die, that a quick fix utilizing pleasure chemicals with their known after effects, could do more harm than good.
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im not sure about this sometimes there can be equasions that amplisignitures developed from this creation. they can act as a catalyst upsurge in various densities inherintly. one has to be depressed in order to be depressed
if you are not it is denial you can adapt habits disctractions impulses beyond control.
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Pi...I was thinking you may be able to offer some assistance on this thread. As you know so much regarding pharmaceuticals, which I normally would not suggest, but this man's story about his wife is haunting and very sad.

I am being compelled to show you this. Perhaps you can help or make a suggestion.

I would read through the OP's posts completely to get the full picture.

Thread: Please help, please. Does anybody know?
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damn that was some heavy stuff, looks like the OP dissapeared though, hope it wasn't a hit n' run post.

medicine won't heal scars on the soul, only finding out why they are there can start the healing, seems alot of the solution today is getting different pills to numb the nerves, but it's hardly a cure, just income for someone else. (yeah a little rough and exaggerated)

but everything has it's situation, if someone is too upset to even talk about their problems, a little calming might be needed.
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good morning
awoken today with pleasant sensation that has been complex to place into word
it goes like this
we listened to nasa tell us their themis project is constructing machines to measure and map into 3d models that which can not be see or heard occurring within our magnetosphere concerning the transfer of energy from our sun to earth under the topic label magnetic reconnection

It just blows me away the fact that you can have a team of scientists and engineers developing this instrumentation to fly through the magnetosphere of the Earth. You can’t see anything. It’s invisible to us but yet they’re going to be able to come up with a 3-D representation or model of what’s going on in the magnetosphere. You talk about that reconnection, the energy transfer between the Earth’s magnetic field and the Sun’s magnetic field. It’s unbelievable. [link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: NASA


feeling
the machines feel and transfer the felt information into pictures (3d models) that fit what is observed and experienced

this is how i felt this morning
nothing obvious has altered but the sensation is the notion that everything including ourselves is within a sea of feeling (indra/aether/higgs field) is arising within the thoughts of people
it appears to prompt the notion to test it, explore the possibility that there is a medium that transfers feelings which allows information to become visible

it is not people feeling more connected, it is people noticing the novelty that they may be connected by something that is not themselves thus it is not their affect that prompts the connection it is "it`s" affect that causes their connection

thus with no effort or choice from themselves they are connected to something that transfers their feelings and transfers the feelings of all other things to

this novelty sensation appears to prompt little or no fear in most people

is the sensation

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It involves a peculiar problem which an evolutionist could have watching or reading science fiction. In other words, someone who believed that our living world had arisen via combinations of random events, mutation, and selection would have to believe that any other living world which he might stumble across out in space would have to look completely alien to us. Thus you see the café in Star Wars with creatures whose morphologies are limited only by the writer's imagination, and read sci-fi novels in which space farers encounter living forms based on silicon rather than carbon or the RNA/DNA information system which governs our own living world.

If, on the other hand, one were actually to find another living world in another star system and all he were to find there were the same kinds of dogs, cats, bears, fish, birds, spiders, flies etc. which we are used to seeing, possibly with slightly different variations for different conditions, and the entire alien living world were based on the same RNA/DNA system which ours is, then the evolutionist has a gigantic problem; he has to explain how the same living world and that same RNA/DNA information system arose TWICE by random chance... At that point you have to consider the possibility that the living forms which we see here represent cosmic archetypes, that God operates everywhere in the universe much as he does here, and that the life forms which have existed on our own planet are the only ones you would ever be likely to find no matter how far into space you went. [link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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Interesting thread
Thread: A masonic pyramid that is 33 decametres high is being built in North Korea, with money from Bill Gates... To be destroyed on October 1st.
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I liked this part:

"The website is totally dedicated to the Ryugyong Hotel in North Korea, and it always refers to the building as "the pyramid", and has strange graphics that show the building as having internal chambers similar to the internal chambers of the original Egyptian pyramids..."
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Perhaps her memories are what is haunting her. Maybe not. It is just something I remember hearing in a couple of psych classes and in a documentary I watched and was my first 'flash' after reading the OP.

That the only benefits they 'found' after using said, was on depressed patients.
 Quoting: Seer777


hmm

MDMA, anyone?

Wireheading sounds awful. How would that help?

blink
 Quoting: Seer777


The New Abolitionism

Within a few centuries, it will be technically if not ideologically feasible to abolish suffering of any kind.

If we wish to do so, then genetic engineering and nanotechnology can be used to banish unpleasant modes of consciousness from the living world.

In their place, gradients of life-long, genetically pre-programmed well-being may animate our descendants instead.

Millennia if not centuries hence, the world's last aversive experience may even be a precisely dateable event: perhaps a minor pain in an obscure marine invertebrate.


Far-fetched? Right now, the abolitionist project sounds fanciful. The task of redesigning our legacy-wetware still seems daunting.

Rewriting the vertebrate genome, and re-engineering the global ecosystem, certainly pose immense scientific challenges even to a technologically advanced civilisation.


The ideological obstacles to a happy world, however, are more formidable still.

For we've learned how to rationalise the need for mental pain - even though its nastier varieties blight innumerable lives, and even though its very existence will soon become optional.


 Quoting: wireheading dot com front page @ [link to www.wireheading.com]




"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions

by a riskless implementation of an electrode -

without impairing intelligence and the critical mind -

I would be the first patient."


Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005)

~

"The mind is its own place, and in itself

Can make a Heav'n of Hell,

a Hell of Heaven"


Satan, in Milton's 'Paradise Lost'
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


MDMA wears off and can cause one to feel awful after. NOt to mention brain fog. I wouldn't suggest drug therapy of that kind.

If one had let's say a button they could push to receive pleasure, then how would anything ever get done? One could just sit around in a squirming mass of self pleasure.

hmm


What is one to do with someone who is suffering so completely they have stopped eating and sleeping and are begging for death?

What to do...?
 Quoting: Seer777


It's already been proven in rat studies. One button for the pleasure center, the other for food pellets. Food pellets lost and the rats died.

Currently we are engaged in the same study. Multiple buttons for the internet or one knob for engaging the outside world.

I foresee a future of spooky translucent white people.

Despite all my rage......

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It seems that personalities and archetypes are in the secret book of john as well.
[link to gnosis.org]
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omg
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I love this Secret Book of John
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Do you want to heal scars: Remember and pass on the stupidity which caused them.

Nevermore quoth the Raven
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Do you want to heal scars: Remember and pass on the stupidity which caused them.

Nevermore quoth the Raven
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Excellent advice.

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It seems that personalities and archetypes are in the secret book of john as well.
[link to gnosis.org]
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omg
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I love this Secret Book of John
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If you like that, this one the guy was 'snatched from his race carried up to the summit of creation' lol
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I think I'm going to like that website.
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Gnosticism, the marriage of one ages myths with another's 'religion', esoterically obscuring the knowledge as pictographic cartoons.

Wasn't John the Redeemer a fucking peach?
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Gnosticism, the marriage of one ages myths with another's 'religion', esoterically obscuring the knowledge as pictographic cartoons.

Wasn't John the Redeemer a fucking peach?
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John the Redeemer. Which one was he?





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