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| songwaves User ID: 37737277  United Kingdom04/10/2013 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not really. Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego. I believe I mentioned that yesterday. And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'... Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature?  Hey Seer  I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person. Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie. So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation. Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis. Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it. :) So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide? Thats ok is it? OWN IT |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6368657  United States04/10/2013 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Italian soup.  :) WF had the right idea ;) lol  Could you say some prayers angels? My mother and fathers dog..peewee.. she has pacreantitus..its severe..I hope we can bring he r home..been in the hospital for 3 days now? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036731 Canada04/10/2013 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Seer777 Not really. Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego. I believe I mentioned that yesterday. And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'... Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature? Hey Seer I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person. Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie. So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation. Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis. Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it. :) So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide? Thats ok is it? OWN IT I think many suppositions are being made. Primarily, what is the definition of drug and motivations. |
| songwaves User ID: 37737277 United Kingdom04/10/2013 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That would be horrible, song. Reminds me of this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12273799 Pausanias, in his account of Boeotia (9.39), relates many details about the cult of Trophonius. Whoever desired to consult the oracle would live in a designated house for a period of days, bathing in the river Herkyna and living on sacrificial meat. He would then sacrifice, by day, to a series of gods, including Cronus, Apollo, Zeus the king, Hera the Charioteer, and Demeter-Europa. Quoting: Trophonius in CultAt night, he would cast a black victim into a pit sacred to Agamedes, drink from two rivers called Lethe and Mnemosyne, and then descend into a cave. Here, most consultees were frightened out of their wits, and forgot the experience entirely upon coming up. Afterward, the consultee would be seated upon a chair of Mnemosyne, where the priests of the shrine would record his ravings and compose an oracle out of them. If this was Crowley’s, and other's (Rabelais) take on the Orphic Rites, it is what I noted of ‘Babel’ long ago, it is a level of sadism that is difficult to put into words. Though I will try in an unrefined manner: It senses as an attempt at mindfucking the right brain. As the right brain is considered female, yes, we could say there was deliberate intent to use women. As Mnemosyne was considered the Mother of the Muses, that makes them Mother Fuckers in the truest sense of the words. ... Quoting: Seer777 Not really. Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego. I believe I mentioned that yesterday. And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'... Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature? No. Yes. But, the scary part is that there are articles discussing how it makes you do exactly what you are told with no memory of it. "In one common scenario, a person will be offered a soda or drink laced with the substance," the article stated. "The next thing the person remembers is waking up miles away, extremely groggy and with no memory of what happened. People soon discover that they have handed over jewelry, money, car keys, and sometimes have even made multiple bank withdrawals for the benefit of their assailants." ... Quoting: Scopo...Now under the influence, the men readily gave up their bank access codes. The breast-temptress thieves then held them hostage for days while draining their accounts. "You can guide them wherever you want," he explains matter of factly. "It’s like they’re a child." The drug, he said, turns people into complete zombies and blocks memories from forming. So even after the drug wears off, victims have no recollection as to what happened. [link to digitaljournal.com] Imagine if you went through an event with a group of people, but all of them were drugged to have no memory but you still had yours intact. What would that do to a person do you think? So someone could cover their own ass. That's an exceptionally cruel move, a deliberate assault on your sanity. I would have used a stronger word than horrible, like evil. |
| Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind  User ID: 31248385 United States04/10/2013 08:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Seer777 Not really. Unless one feels the need to lie. A lie is generally manufactured for self serving means. To protect ones ego. I believe I mentioned that yesterday. And i don't believe said drug above 'suppresses' reason. Perhaps it causes one to disregard the shell which protects 'Self'... Would you feel 'exposed' under such a drug? Or are you generally truthful in Nature? Hey Seer I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person. Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie. So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation. Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis. Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it. :) So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide? Thats ok is it? OWN IT That has really little to do with the 'truth serum' aspect that I was discussing. No Song, I would not like to be drugged against my will. However, what I uttered under said, would not be any more or any less truthful without. That was my point. On another note, it has become gloriously beautiful here, and I am going to trying to muster up the energy to go to the store. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
| songwaves User ID: 37737277 United Kingdom04/10/2013 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so imagine that without the drug it becomes environment sensitive the only influence you place on your reply is guided by the trust you possess in that which you are talking to I like this But Is there such a thing as 'irrational distrust'? an environment without trust is irrational is it not  I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12273799 United States04/10/2013 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That would be horrible, song. Reminds me of this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12273799 Pausanias, in his account of Boeotia (9.39), relates many details about the cult of Trophonius. Whoever desired to consult the oracle would live in a designated house for a period of days, bathing in the river Herkyna and living on sacrificial meat. He would then sacrifice, by day, to a series of gods, including Cronus, Apollo, Zeus the king, Hera the Charioteer, and Demeter-Europa. Quoting: Trophonius in CultAt night, he would cast a black victim into a pit sacred to Agamedes, drink from two rivers called Lethe and Mnemosyne, and then descend into a cave. Here, most consultees were frightened out of their wits, and forgot the experience entirely upon coming up. Afterward, the consultee would be seated upon a chair of Mnemosyne, where the priests of the shrine would record his ravings and compose an oracle out of them. If this was Crowley’s, and other's (Rabelais) take on the Orphic Rites, it is what I noted of ‘Babel’ long ago, it is a level of sadism that is difficult to put into words. Though I will try in an unrefined manner: It senses as an attempt at mindfucking the right brain. As the right brain is considered female, yes, we could say there was deliberate intent to use women. As Mnemosyne was considered the Mother of the Muses, that makes them Mother Fuckers in the truest sense of the words. ... Quoting: Septenary Man No. Yes. But, the scary part is that there are articles discussing how it makes you do exactly what you are told with no memory of it. ... [link to digitaljournal.com] Imagine if you went through an event with a group of people, but all of them were drugged to have no memory but you still had yours intact. What would that do to a person do you think? So someone could cover their own ass. That's an exceptionally cruel move, a deliberate assault on your sanity. I would have used a stronger word than horrible, like evil. I said ‘sadism’ and ‘Mother Fuckers’. Absolutely. Evil works too. |
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| songwaves User ID: 37737277 United Kingdom04/10/2013 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: songwaves 37737277 Hey Seer I think the point here in the current discussion is 'if your being drugged against your will' not whether your being a truthful person. Well...I think the point is, unless you have something to hide there would be no need to lie. So, one would not find discomfort in such a situation. Granted, we can occasionally feel we 'say too much'... that usually occurs by being caught up in the moment. Whether what one says while 'caught up' is truthful or not, is on an individual basis. Sounds a bit like alcohol to me, and that is both legal and vastly consumed. That is the way I see it. :) So you wouldn't feel any discomfort if someone came and drugged you, because you have nothing to hide? Thats ok is it? OWN IT That has really little to do with the 'truth serum' aspect that I was discussing. No Song, I would not like to be drugged against my will. However, what I uttered under said, would not be any more or any less truthful without. That was my point. On another note, it has become gloriously beautiful here, and I am going to trying to muster up the energy to go to the store. Your a truthful person....So my question still stands is it ok to drug people against their will? |
| Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 31248385 United States04/10/2013 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over. Quoting: songwaves 37737277 Me too. On another note, I love this page number  The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory. If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not. Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave. Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone. On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck. lol. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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| Azeratel Axo User ID: 37789886 Canada04/10/2013 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over. Quoting: songwaves 37737277 Me too. On another note, I love this page number The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory. If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not. Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave. Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone. On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck. lol.  Thank you and good luck. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20093181 United States04/10/2013 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over. Quoting: songwaves 37737277 Me too. On another note, I love this page number The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory. If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not. Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave. Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone. On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck. lol. seer, you are a glp groupie! good luck |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12273799 United States04/10/2013 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Finally got to the end of the thread, quick someone make some more soup! Quoting: songwaves 37737277  laugh out loud! I have a thunderstorm happening in the area. Got distracted. Conserving the laptop battery in case the electricity goes out. Oh I should charge the Ipods too. No music with candles would suck. |
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| aether (OP) User ID: 37303863 United Kingdom04/10/2013 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always thought trust was a bullshit idea to delude yourself into the idea that someone wouldn't fuk you over. Quoting: songwaves 37737277 Me too. On another note, I love this page number The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory. If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not. Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave. Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone. On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck lol. company stores can be edgy places |
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| aether (OP) User ID: 37303863 United Kingdom04/10/2013 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saturn's rings found to produce rain The rings of the planet Saturn produce their own rain that falls onto the planet beneath, astronomers have discovered. Quoting: observation[link to www.telegraph.co.uk] |
| Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 31248385 United States04/10/2013 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The point is being willing to forgive one another for perceived slights... We forgive when we trust another, due to believing in their proper intentions. To a fault or glory. Quoting: Seer777 If your trust is breached, it is up to each to determine whether the believed 'offense' was forgivable or not. Some forgive with ease, others can hold grudges to the grave. Also, it is good to remember 'forgiveness' can also be one-sided. For the 'forgiver' alone. On that note, I'm off to the store. Wish me luck lol. company stores can be edgy places Nah. I'm back. As luck would have it, they had what I was looking for. The dizziness has seemed to lift as well.  Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
