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I am out of here for a while, try to pop in later if I got time.

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the journalists face is priceless lmao



The reporter talks about missile defense, and the reaction of Putin has to be seen.
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Yes, understanding precession is the key. This brings us to what, in my mind, was the worst mistake made in the history of astronomy. When we first discovered that planets orbited the sun, someone chose to draw the solar system in the horizontal plane. That innate sense we have of gravity acting "downward" fooled even Newton into thinking that Earth precessed like a spinning top. Since then it's been nothing but patches. When they realized that gravity acting in the ecliptic plane could not possibly cause a sphere to precess that way, they came up with the idea of gravity acting on an oblate Earth. Then there was Newcomb's formula to account for the increasing rate of precession, with no mechanism ever given,just a mathematical formula that seemed to work. Only they had to patch that patch too in recent times, again, without a mechanism.
If I could go back in time to when Newton first discovered that gravity acted towards centers of mass, and not "downward", I would have drawn for him a picture of our solar system as a clock on the wall, with planets orbiting in a vertical plane. He would have seen instantly what the problem was. I would bet precession would have remained an unsolved problem, until electricity and magnetism were understood. We probably would have had an EU universe years ago.
Once you realize that precession is due to E-M, not gravity, lots of problems disappear. Precession is around the magnetic field direction, not around a line normal to the ecliptic plane.
That changing "obliquity angle" is what you get when you use the wrong reference plane for precession. Etc.
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this /z\ is where all begins to change tounge

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Precession is around the magnetic field direction

think about that /z\
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Good morning everyone.

Someone call the Sun...it's too early for rain.

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the journalists face is priceless lmao



The reporter talks about missile defense, and the reaction of Putin has to be seen.
 Quoting: Wei Wu Wei



Thread: What makes Putin laugh.
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He doesn't think its funny either
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Good morning everyone.

Someone call the Sun...it's too early for rain.

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good morning

sun
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the journalists face is priceless lmao



The reporter talks about missile defense, and the reaction of Putin has to be seen.
 Quoting: Wei Wu Wei



Thread: What makes Putin laugh.
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He doesn't think its funny either
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i think he is in shock that putin laughs at what another government says is true
thus what is going through the mind of the journalist is , if putin laughs at what that other government says publicly , the "game" is no longer being played by tradition
the journalist is a man of tradition cos if he were not he could never be there asking the questions
thus we witness a moment, a moment the journalist was not prepared for

is how it seems
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Good morning everyone.

Someone call the Sun...it's too early for rain.

tounge

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Hi seer, I am glad to be able to ask you and if you wish to give an answer,

what are morals....not the indoctrinated type but the type which has always been within one?

Once one realizes, to a point, that which they are.......are the morals which they then hold to be truths....of worth?

To destroy ones self and not change anything, save perhaps the image which a few regard of one, achieving no balance, can this be of value?

Is it better to become more selfish and then to interact within this place by knowing that which can be changed and that which cannot?

If that is a truth then why do I know that.......sorry I am trying to work out a way to live but live within that which I perceive to be morally correct.

I am having a difficult experience with this!

Morally I will have a very difficult life, that which is left.
To exist within a balance requires that I use a system which I consider demonic!

I know that the choice is mine and only mine but would appreciate any input.

:sound love:
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i think he is in shock that putin laughs at what another government says is true
thus what is going through the mind of the journalist is , if putin laughs at what that other government says publicly , the "game" is no longer being played by tradition
the journalist is a man of tradition cos if he were not he could never be there asking the questions
thus we witness a moment, a moment the journalist was not prepared for

is how it seems
 Quoting: aether


The Great Game

The Great Game was a term for the strategic rivalry and conflict between the British Empire and the Russian Empire for supremacy in Central Asia
 Quoting: observation

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The Grand Chessboard

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives is one of the major works of Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski graduated with a PhD from Harvard University in 1953 and became Professor of American Foreign Policy at Johns Hopkins University before becoming the United States National Security Advisor from 1977 - 1981 under the administration of President Jimmy Carter.
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the journalists face is priceless lmao



The reporter talks about missile defense, and the reaction of Putin has to be seen.
 Quoting: Wei Wu Wei



Thread: What makes Putin laugh.
 Quoting: aether


He doesn't think its funny either
[link to i.imgur.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27543704


i think he is in shock that putin laughs at what another government says is true
thus what is going through the mind of the journalist is , if putin laughs at what that other government says publicly , the "game" is no longer being played by tradition
the journalist is a man of tradition cos if he were not he could never be there asking the questions
thus we witness a moment, a moment the journalist was not prepared for

is how it seems
 Quoting: aether

John McCain just said he wanted to take off his shirt with Putin and do some things on Anderson Cooper. Politics is sooo weird.
Thread: This Dog Looks Exactly Like Vlad Putin.
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Good morning everyone.

Someone call the Sun...it's too early for rain.

tounge

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Hi seer, I am glad to be able to ask you and if you wish to give an answer,

what are morals....not the indoctrinated type but the type which has always been within one?

Once one realizes, to a point, that which they are.......are the morals which they then hold to be truths....of worth?

To destroy ones self and not change anything, save perhaps the image which a few regard of one, achieving no balance, can this be of value?

Is it better to become more selfish and then to interact within this place by knowing that which can be changed and that which cannot?

If that is a truth then why do I know that.......sorry I am trying to work out a way to live but live within that which I perceive to be morally correct.

I am having a difficult experience with this!

Morally I will have a very difficult life, that which is left.
To exist within a balance requires that I use a system which I consider demonic!

I know that the choice is mine and only mine but would appreciate any input.

:sound love:
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Good morning.

I am at Market right now so I am unable to stay on long. I will give your questions some thought and then respond in full tonight after Market. 7-8hrs from now.


The Sun came out for moment. And the rain has stopped for now.

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Thank you seer :)
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John McCain just said he wanted to take off his shirt with Putin and do some things on Anderson Cooper. Politics is sooo weird.
Thread: This Dog Looks Exactly Like Vlad Putin.
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well the reason it is weird is to be a politician you have to want to never tell the truth for reaons that feel good for you doing so

look what our last prime minister has just a few minutes ago told us was on his mind in 2008

"We'd have to think: do we have curfews, do we put the Army on the streets, how do we get order back?"

"If the banks are shutting their doors, and the cash points aren't working, and people go to Tesco and their cards aren't being accepted, the whole thing will just explode.

"If you can't buy food or petrol or medicine for your kids, people will just start breaking the windows and helping themselves.

"And as soon as people see that on TV, that's the end, because everyone will think that's OK now, that's just what we all have to do. It'll be anarchy. That's what could happen tomorrow."
 Quoting: prime minister uk

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John McCain just said he wanted to take off his shirt with Putin and do some things on Anderson Cooper. Politics is sooo weird.
Thread: This Dog Looks Exactly Like Vlad Putin.
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well the reason it is weird is to be a politician you have to want to never tell the truth for reaons that feel good for you doing so

look what our last prime minister has just a few minutes ago told us was on his mind in 2008

"We'd have to think: do we have curfews, do we put the Army on the streets, how do we get order back?"

"If the banks are shutting their doors, and the cash points aren't working, and people go to Tesco and their cards aren't being accepted, the whole thing will just explode.

"If you can't buy food or petrol or medicine for your kids, people will just start breaking the windows and helping themselves.

"And as soon as people see that on TV, that's the end, because everyone will think that's OK now, that's just what we all have to do. It'll be anarchy. That's what could happen tomorrow."
 Quoting: prime minister uk

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 Quoting: aether


Some people I know would laugh at anarchy being used in this context.
I guess that is where looking at past history would be a good thing to see what not to do.
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well the reason it is weird is to be a politician you have to want to never tell the truth for reaons that feel good for you doing so
 Quoting: aether



Some people I know would laugh at anarchy being used in this context.
I guess that is where looking at past history would be a good thing to see what not to do.
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yes, the reason given for always lie is this
whatever you tell your people your "enemy" will hear thus you only tell your people what you want your enemy to hear
this is the tradional culture of politics thus there is no truth by design there is only propaganda by national security law

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I think this is the virus information



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well the reason it is weird is to be a politician you have to want to never tell the truth for reaons that feel good for you doing so
 Quoting: aether



Some people I know would laugh at anarchy being used in this context.
I guess that is where looking at past history would be a good thing to see what not to do.
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yes, the reason given for always lie is this
whatever you tell your people your "enemy" will hear thus you only tell your people what you want your enemy to hear
this is the tradional culture of politics thus there is no truth by design there is only propaganda by national security law
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Do they eventually believe their own lies though?
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well the reason it is weird is to be a politician you have to want to never tell the truth for reaons that feel good for you doing so
 Quoting: aether



Some people I know would laugh at anarchy being used in this context.
I guess that is where looking at past history would be a good thing to see what not to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27543704


yes, the reason given for always lie is this
whatever you tell your people your "enemy" will hear thus you only tell your people what you want your enemy to hear
this is the tradional culture of politics thus there is no truth by design there is only propaganda by national security law
 Quoting: aether


Do they eventually believe their own lies though?
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well egregore (national) security law does not compell belief, what it compells is the taking of an oath to visibly abide by/express egregore (national) security law
thus politicians and civil servents become authorised within a egregore structure which forces them to function in accordance with egregore law
if they do not do so they never become authorized to function with egregore authority

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'Ask not what your egregore can do for you, ask what you can do for your egregore'
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we have not discovered when the first egregore`s were raised , it seems they did not exist in golden/bliss aeons

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well the reason it is weird is to be a politician you have to want to never tell the truth for reaons that feel good for you doing so
 Quoting: aether



Some people I know would laugh at anarchy being used in this context.
I guess that is where looking at past history would be a good thing to see what not to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27543704


yes, the reason given for always lie is this
whatever you tell your people your "enemy" will hear thus you only tell your people what you want your enemy to hear
this is the tradional culture of politics thus there is no truth by design there is only propaganda by national security law
 Quoting: aether


Do they eventually believe their own lies though?
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well egregore (national) security law does not compell belief, what it compells is the taking of an oath to visibly abide by/express egregore (national) security law
thus politicians and civil servents become authorised within a egregore structure which forces them to function in accordance with egregore law
if they do not do so they never become authorized to function with egregore authority
 Quoting: aether

Oh I see what your saying. Kind of like the oaths taken in mormon temples and freemasons.
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Good morning everyone.

Someone call the Sun...it's too early for rain.

tounge

sun
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yay, sun came out here. It feels like fall for the first time here.
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yes, the reason given for always lie is this
whatever you tell your people your "enemy" will hear thus you only tell your people what you want your enemy to hear
this is the tradional culture of politics thus there is no truth by design there is only propaganda by national security law
 Quoting: aether


Do they eventually believe their own lies though?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27543704


well egregore (national) security law does not compell belief, what it compells is the taking of an oath to visibly abide by/express egregore (national) security law
thus politicians and civil servents become authorised within a egregore structure which forces them to function in accordance with egregore law
if they do not do so they never become authorized to function with egregore authority
 Quoting: aether

Oh I see what your saying. Kind of like the oaths taken in mormon temples and freemasons.
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yes , always an oath to the egregore represenative (s) to uphold egregore law

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Yes, understanding precession is the key. This brings us to what, in my mind, was the worst mistake made in the history of astronomy. When we first discovered that planets orbited the sun, someone chose to draw the solar system in the horizontal plane. That innate sense we have of gravity acting "downward" fooled even Newton into thinking that Earth precessed like a spinning top. Since then it's been nothing but patches. When they realized that gravity acting in the ecliptic plane could not possibly cause a sphere to precess that way, they came up with the idea of gravity acting on an oblate Earth. Then there was Newcomb's formula to account for the increasing rate of precession, with no mechanism ever given,just a mathematical formula that seemed to work. Only they had to patch that patch too in recent times, again, without a mechanism.
If I could go back in time to when Newton first discovered that gravity acted towards centers of mass, and not "downward", I would have drawn for him a picture of our solar system as a clock on the wall, with planets orbiting in a vertical plane. He would have seen instantly what the problem was. I would bet precession would have remained an unsolved problem, until electricity and magnetism were understood. We probably would have had an EU universe years ago.
Once you realize that precession is due to E-M, not gravity, lots of problems disappear. Precession is around the magnetic field direction, not around a line normal to the ecliptic plane.
That changing "obliquity angle" is what you get when you use the wrong reference plane for precession. Etc.
 Quoting: observation


this /z\ is where all begins to change tounge
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Precession is inertial force in oblique reaction to the axis of rotating mass. If the rotating mass has magnetic properties, they in turn will react to or act on other magnetic or EM forces.

The mass reactions and EM reactions are separate entities, though it seems unlikely they can be decoupled in this astronomical context of plasma is electric, ergo magnetic.

I find it likely the external EM forces are the perturbations which incite the precessions of the various masses particular to this phenomenon of reversing magnetic fields in rotating bodies.

As the bodies themselves are not solid, the Sun a ball of plasma with ? interior, Earth - a lithosphere with a fluid metal core, Jupiter - a gas ball with a metal core, etc, the precession obviously does not need to involve the entire body, only the part with the predominant magnetic property.
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that got everyone thinking and may prompt them to notice why the suface of gaia goes one way and the inside goes the other way tounge
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'Ask not what your egregore can do for you, ask what you can do for your egregore'
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we have not discovered when the first egregore`s were raised , it seems they did not exist in golden/bliss aeons
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Maybe when rulers were raised?
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'Ask not what your egregore can do for you, ask what you can do for your egregore'
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we have not discovered when the first egregore`s were raised , it seems they did not exist in golden/bliss aeons
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Maybe when rulers were raised?
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Perhaps it will seem a bit strange that an ancient god identified as the creator would be so intimately associated with the idea of kingship, or remembered as having ruled on earth during the Golden Age.

There is a fascinating paradox here. In the earliest traditions, as we've already noted, the Universal Monarch is a celestial power through and through. He is, in fact, the central light of heaven. But as we've also noted, in the course of time the creator-king's domain is progressively localized and the god takes on an increasingly human countenance as the "first king" of the particular nation telling the story.

In certain lands such as ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, we are able to observe the process over many centuries. In the earliest memories, the Egyptian Ra and Sumerian An rule the sky. But later chroniclers in both lands depict them as terrestrial rulers. This localization of the creator-king is simply one part of a larger evolutionary process. As the myths evolve over many centuries, the gods and heroes are brought down to earth, one nation after another claiming these divine powers as ancestors. And how could it be otherwise? Remember that all sacred activity within the respective cultures arose from the same collective links to the past, the same memories of the primeval age.

"The further we go back in history," observed Carl Jung, "the more evident does the king's divinity become..." And when you trace the royal lineage backwards, you eventually confront the radiant figure at the head of the line. Since the story of this creator-king is as old as the myth of the Golden Age: it is older than the institution of kingship!

Historians have always claimed that the myths of celestial kings were nothing more than images of local kings and kingship rites projected onto the sky. But comparative analysis will demonstrate that the reverse is true. The memory of the creator-king came first, and it was this remarkable memory which provided the mythical aura supporting and legitimizing kings the world over.

Who, then--or what--was the source of this worldwide theme, this universally-remembered and profoundly charismatic power behind the rule of kings?

In exploring ancient images of the Universal Monarch, we must now enter the realm of classical thought. Our own civilization owes its greatest debt to Greek and Latin poets, philosophers and historians, who received and interpreted countless mythical traditions of nations throughout the Mediterranean and beyond, often drawing on literary sources that were later lost and are now unavailable to us.

According to the Greek poet Hesiod, the present age is but a shadow of a former epoch--called the Golden Age of Kronos.

"First of all," Hesiod writes, "the deathless gods who dwell on Olympus made a golden race of mortal men who lived in the time of Kronos, when he was reigning in heaven. And they lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil and grief: Miserable age rested not on them. . . The fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint."

Kronos was the father of beginnings; in the words of the Orphic poet--the "Lord of the World, First Father." But this harmonious and peaceful epoch, founded by the god-king, gave way to world-ending disaster and devastating wars of the gods (the Clash of the Titans).

In honor of the Age of Kronos, the Greeks celebrated an annual festival called the Kronia, during which the celebrants symbolically renewed the epoch of peace and plenty. Each year, according to Lucius Accius, the Greeks held large feasts throughout the towns and countryside, reversing the normal social order, exchanging gifts, enjoying merrymaking free from the normal restraints, with each man waiting on his slaves In this way the Kronia festival symbolically transported the celebrants back in time to a mythic period before law and cultural constraints, when Kronos first ruled the world.

Plato writes in his often-studied work, The Statesman, that man formerly lived in a paradise, under the rule of the creator himself. But the mortal realm, Plato declared, was later separated from the creator, and that was the cause of the evils descending upon the world.

So the Greeks, in accord with the universal tradition, remembered the age of Kronos as the *model* for later generation. In The Laws, Plato writes that “we must do all we can to imitate the life which is said to have existed in the days of Kronos...both in private and public life."
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So if there was a god king during golden age, where did the god king go?
Did they loose connection because the catacalysm?
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Later. Got some sun
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