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Bleach and white flour are not good for you. That does not mean wheat is good for you. Get a clue, people have been listening to this dietary advice and are only getting sicker.
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The dietary advice I mean is the myth that low-fat, wheat filled diets are healthy. They are the exact opposite of healthy. These diets cause degeneration. Eat real meat, lots of fat, no gluten, no dairy. A paleo diet basically.
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You know how much growth hormones are pumped into meat? and how many toxins are in the fat?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




If your knowledge of the esoteric is as limited as your knowledge of diet then your credibility is completely lost. You freely talk about diet and yoiu clearly dont know very much about it. When you talk about esoterica most of us dont have the knowledge to call you out but you might be just as full of shit with the rants you go on vis a vis those topics.

If someone is willing to bullshit about even minor details they lose all credibility with me. Are you full of shit Apollo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16945421


I challenged for proof on how many Italians and French people were suffering from gluten intolerance or celiac for proof that their diet was causing their harm and no one took me up on it.

You need to do a vast population analysis and do cross comparisons of different nations.
If you dont know this simple fact on accurate research using populace than youve never been to college.

BTW, the answer is around 6 percent. The other 94 percent do just fine

I never said that gluten sensitivity DID NOT EXIST but that it wasnt everybody as OP is trying to claim

In America gluten sensitivity is running about upwards to 20 percent and definately good for someone to rule out.

You have to be really dense, in thinking I never said gluten sensitivity did not exist, It does for many, and they should adjust their diet,

But its not the requirement for all.
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Bleach and white flour are not good for you. That does not mean wheat is good for you. Get a clue, people have been listening to this dietary advice and are only getting sicker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19453323


The dietary advice I mean is the myth that low-fat, wheat filled diets are healthy. They are the exact opposite of healthy. These diets cause degeneration. Eat real meat, lots of fat, no gluten, no dairy. A paleo diet basically.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19453323


You know how much growth hormones are pumped into meat? and how many toxins are in the fat?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




If your knowledge of the esoteric is as limited as your knowledge of diet then your credibility is completely lost. You freely talk about diet and yoiu clearly dont know very much about it. When you talk about esoterica most of us dont have the knowledge to call you out but you might be just as full of shit with the rants you go on vis a vis those topics.

If someone is willing to bullshit about even minor details they lose all credibility with me. Are you full of shit Apollo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16945421


BTW, do you think I give a hoot that I lose a few readers? Do you think I live to kiss ass?

The ones that do like what I write, Ill bend over backwards and take the shirt off my back for the few that stick with.
You must have no life to think my life is to kiss ass and mark up my readership to 100 percent satisfaction.

Any participation of readership reaches only 3-5 percent of the targeted and chosen demographic.

Thats just fine with me, the few that keep their eye out for the Biblical prophecies are like pearls of high price. I could care less to please everyone cause thats not going to happen.
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The dietary advice I mean is the myth that low-fat, wheat filled diets are healthy. They are the exact opposite of healthy. These diets cause degeneration. Eat real meat, lots of fat, no gluten, no dairy. A paleo diet basically.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19453323


You know how much growth hormones are pumped into meat? and how many toxins are in the fat?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




If your knowledge of the esoteric is as limited as your knowledge of diet then your credibility is completely lost. You freely talk about diet and yoiu clearly dont know very much about it. When you talk about esoterica most of us dont have the knowledge to call you out but you might be just as full of shit with the rants you go on vis a vis those topics.

If someone is willing to bullshit about even minor details they lose all credibility with me. Are you full of shit Apollo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16945421


I challenged for proof on how many Italians and French people were suffering from gluten intolerance or celiac for proof that their diet was causing their harm and no one took me up on it.

You need to do a vast population analysis and do cross comparisons of different nations.
If you dont know this simple fact on accurate research using populace than youve never been to college.

BTW, the answer is around 6 percent. The other 94 percent do just fine

I never said that gluten sensitivity DID NOT EXIST but that it wasnt everybody as OP is trying to claim

In America gluten sensitivity is running about upwards to 20 percent and definately good for someone to rule out.

You have to be really dense, in thinking I never said gluten sensitivity did not exist, It does for many, and they should adjust their diet,

But its not the requirement for all.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Who are you even talking to? You are crazy independant of the whole wheat argument. Get it?
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The dietary advice I mean is the myth that low-fat, wheat filled diets are healthy. They are the exact opposite of healthy. These diets cause degeneration. Eat real meat, lots of fat, no gluten, no dairy. A paleo diet basically.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19453323


You know how much growth hormones are pumped into meat? and how many toxins are in the fat?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




If your knowledge of the esoteric is as limited as your knowledge of diet then your credibility is completely lost. You freely talk about diet and yoiu clearly dont know very much about it. When you talk about esoterica most of us dont have the knowledge to call you out but you might be just as full of shit with the rants you go on vis a vis those topics.

If someone is willing to bullshit about even minor details they lose all credibility with me. Are you full of shit Apollo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16945421


BTW, do you think I give a hoot that I lose a few readers? Do you think I live to kiss ass?

The ones that do like what I write, Ill bend over backwards and take the shirt off my back for the few that stick with.
You must have no life to think my life is to kiss ass and mark up my readership to 100 percent satisfaction.

Any participation of readership reaches only 3-5 percent of the targeted and chosen demographic.

Thats just fine with me, the few that keep their eye out for the Biblical prophecies are like pearls of high price. I could care less to please everyone cause thats not going to happen.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


20 percent should not eat wheat, population wise, that is huge. They will do better without the symptoms that feel like irritable bowel syndrome, etc.

Im the 80 percent thats ok with it, What do you not understand?
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You know how much growth hormones are pumped into meat? and how many toxins are in the fat?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




If your knowledge of the esoteric is as limited as your knowledge of diet then your credibility is completely lost. You freely talk about diet and yoiu clearly dont know very much about it. When you talk about esoterica most of us dont have the knowledge to call you out but you might be just as full of shit with the rants you go on vis a vis those topics.

If someone is willing to bullshit about even minor details they lose all credibility with me. Are you full of shit Apollo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16945421


BTW, do you think I give a hoot that I lose a few readers? Do you think I live to kiss ass?

The ones that do like what I write, Ill bend over backwards and take the shirt off my back for the few that stick with.
You must have no life to think my life is to kiss ass and mark up my readership to 100 percent satisfaction.

Any participation of readership reaches only 3-5 percent of the targeted and chosen demographic.

Thats just fine with me, the few that keep their eye out for the Biblical prophecies are like pearls of high price. I could care less to please everyone cause thats not going to happen.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


20 percent should not eat wheat, population wise, that is huge. They will do better without the symptoms that feel like irritable bowel syndrome, etc.

Im the 80 percent thats ok with it, What do you not understand?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


80% may be ok with it but they would still be better off with much less or no wheat. Tolerances vary but it is not the best source of complex carbs....especially the highly processed wheat. PERIOD Go make a thread about the new moon which was at 1am this morning or something.
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If your knowledge of the esoteric is as limited as your knowledge of diet then your credibility is completely lost. You freely talk about diet and yoiu clearly dont know very much about it. When you talk about esoterica most of us dont have the knowledge to call you out but you might be just as full of shit with the rants you go on vis a vis those topics.

If someone is willing to bullshit about even minor details they lose all credibility with me. Are you full of shit Apollo??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16945421


BTW, do you think I give a hoot that I lose a few readers? Do you think I live to kiss ass?

The ones that do like what I write, Ill bend over backwards and take the shirt off my back for the few that stick with.
You must have no life to think my life is to kiss ass and mark up my readership to 100 percent satisfaction.

Any participation of readership reaches only 3-5 percent of the targeted and chosen demographic.

Thats just fine with me, the few that keep their eye out for the Biblical prophecies are like pearls of high price. I could care less to please everyone cause thats not going to happen.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


20 percent should not eat wheat, population wise, that is huge. They will do better without the symptoms that feel like irritable bowel syndrome, etc.

Im the 80 percent thats ok with it, What do you not understand?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


80% may be ok with it but they would still be better off with much less or no wheat. Tolerances vary but it is not the best source of complex carbs....especially the highly processed wheat. PERIOD Go make a thread about the new moon which was at 1am this morning or something.
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Run along now little doggie !

You sound like my wife,

lol
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I challenged for proof on how many Italians and French people were suffering from gluten intolerance or celiac for proof that their diet was causing their harm and no one took me up on it.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Italians and French and other Europeans do suffer. Modern dwarf wheat hurts everyone. Celiac disease and gluten intolerance are in every nation. European nations like Germany and Italy do have an epidemic of celiac disease and gluten intolerance. That is why there are gluten free foods becoming more available in these nations as well. Celiac disease has been known about since ancient times. There is just more knowledge about it now. When there were wheat shortages during World War II it was discovered celiac sufferers in the Netherlands experienced better health.
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07/19/2012 02:14 PM
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It's not the gluten itself.

Try bromides in bread, even gatorade, along with HFCS and other processes.

Vital wheat gluten is the future of mankind (the faux meats market) and yields much high quality protein.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18867193


Shill for the grain and wheat industry spotted. Fuck off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19453323


Hes telling the truth, or all of Europe (with their love of pasta and bread) would be fat and sick which is not the case

Think about it, America is not the whole world. There are other countries out there that are skinnier than us and more healthy. Expand your mind.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


The wheat we eat today is a hybridized abomination. It is not the wheat your parents and great grandparents ate growing up. And people are getting fat and sick. Modern wheat is addictive, spikes blood sugar, and makes people hungrier than they should be. It blocks the absorption of nutrients. Diabetes and obesity rates have skyrocketed due to the dwarf wheat in foods today.

This wheat is different, it is much worse than the wheat of old.
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yes basically it turns into GLUE in your stomach.
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07/19/2012 03:16 PM
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All GMO crops are poison.

I think a class action law suit of a 100 million americans against Monsatan is in order.
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this one will be taken up by a Higher Court

as it should be.

we'll stand down satan himself first at any rate, and worry about his underlings after the fact...
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07/19/2012 03:31 PM
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I cut out wheat from my diet about 5 years ago. It gave me horrible heartburn among other things. This is the best gluten-free bread I've ever tasted. I like it better than regular bread. The only problem is it falls apart easily unless you toast it, but still the best bread ever.
[link to www.rudisglutenfree.com]
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I cut out wheat from my diet about 5 years ago. It gave me horrible heartburn among other things. This is the best gluten-free bread I've ever tasted. I like it better than regular bread. The only problem is it falls apart easily unless you toast it, but still the best bread ever.
[link to www.rudisglutenfree.com]
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i like it too but i like udi's better. try instead of toasting, butter it and fry lightly. toast makes it too dry.
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yeah and i cook with butter too! it's my ghetto answer to coconut oil cause i can't always afford that. but butter is second best for withstanding high temps without turning into poison like all the fukkin oils everyone else uses.
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yeah and i cook with butter too! it's my ghetto answer to coconut oil cause i can't always afford that. but butter is second best for withstanding high temps without turning into poison like all the fukkin oils everyone else uses.
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you can make ghee with butter mary. Ghee is a safer to cook with than butter. Its what is always used in indian cuisine. All you have to do is heat up the butter at a low temp and skim off the layer of milk which gathers at the top. Don't try if you're not good around the kitchen.
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yeah and i cook with butter too! it's my ghetto answer to coconut oil cause i can't always afford that. but butter is second best for withstanding high temps without turning into poison like all the fukkin oils everyone else uses.
 Quoting: Anne O'Mally


butter is good but try gettng back to using lard
its had a bad reputation but im sure that was concocted
by the chemical companies making stuff like crisco
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07/22/2012 11:04 AM
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When you all say, "I stopped eating wheat and I feel better", by wheat, are you referring to shelf stable breads laden with tremendous amounts of unpronounceable preservatives, or are you referring to bread that you ground from whole grains, kneaded, and baked yourselves?
 Quoting: TheBiss


both, and msg
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20073905


Most of my customers have told me that after going to fresh breads they ground and baked themselves, all their gluten "intolerances" magically disappeared. This leads me to believe that gluten is not the devil's powder that it's being made out to be.

In college, I had a friend from Paris who ate the same diet in the US that she ate in FR, and she gained weight. The only difference was that she bought her groceries from stores here, and ate fresh produce in-season from markets in Paris.

This leads me to believe that our entire production and distribution chain in the US is poisoned. I ask you, why did I see high fructose corn syrup as an ingredient in a can of beans the other day?
 Quoting: TheBiss



I agree - american food is dodgy - you guys have that sugar bread or salt bread thing going on.
It is this lump of gooey stretchy stuff...kinda looks and feels like bread but it is impossible to chew.

I was there for 3 months - ate less than normal and put on 1 stone in 3 months...and i was vegetarian at the time too! I blame it entirely on yankee bread.
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07/22/2012 11:13 AM
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In a country like the US it might indeed be a good idea to drop wheat products.
The USA has the highest percentage of GMO foods in the world, most products are ladden with High Fructose Corn Syrup and dozens of other chemicals, which includes even store-bought full wheat bread.

I bet, it is not the wheat per se which makes people sick, it is the chemicals in your food.

I never heard of wheat allergies here in Germany or people complaining about a wheat belly, if you buy fully organic full wheat products.
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07/22/2012 11:21 AM
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Give it a est Wheattards!
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It's in the bible. you know.. Give us this day, our daily bread..
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yeah and i cook with butter too! it's my ghetto answer to coconut oil cause i can't always afford that. but butter is second best for withstanding high temps without turning into poison like all the fukkin oils everyone else uses.
 Quoting: Anne O'Mally


you can make ghee with butter mary. Ghee is a safer to cook with than butter. Its what is always used in indian cuisine. All you have to do is heat up the butter and skim off the layer of milk which gathers at the top. Don't try if you're not good around the kitchen.
 Quoting: Acid Trip


^ This. The smoke point of butter is very low, it's not healthy for cooking. Ghee on the other hand has a higher smoke point because the milk solids in butter, which burn at lower temps, are eliminated during the clarification.
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Shit when I was growing up I would get to ride around in the back of wheat trucks on occasions during harvest..eat it by the hand fulls..even just walking down the tracks where wheat fell out of rail cars were tasty treats...didn`t anybody here have grandparents that lived till they were in their 90`s and they cooked everything in lard..had meat and baked potatoes almost daily..Bacon and eggs for breakfast...Bottom line is we have turned/evolved our bodies into "wimp" machines that can`t process our foods anymore..not to mention additives and supplements....There are so many germ phobes out in the world now that in another generation or two freaking everyday bacteria will kill us if we don`t medicate...Our immune systems suck now because we have became dependent on medicines and other people feeding us...Not to mention people won`t get off their a$$es and excersize...The old timers worked us under the table..even the house wives worked their tails off more than most Americans do these days...

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What did the Vegan zombie like to eat?

Grrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaains!
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07/25/2012 12:32 AM
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Once we get better in genetics and DNA we can figure out what native food stuff are better for some people than others,

Just like Asians cant tolerate milk and cheese, theres a genetic line that cant tolerate wheat

Be patient and we will crack the genetic codes and apply appropiate diets for all.
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when I eat foods containing gluten I feel very sluggish and grumpy when I go gluten free I feel more energized and less grumpy.

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