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Went star gazing tonight!

 
It was a puzzler
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For the past few months, when I've looked in the sky at night, there has barely been a single star in the sky.

I couldn't take it any more. Drove about 30 or 40 miles to a dark place. Finally! Lots of stars!

What is so cool when looking at them steadily even for just several seconds, you can see the stars rotate as it were.

Then it occurred to me that the earth travels about 600 million miles each year going around the sun. Which means were are travelling 68,000 miles an hour through space in that pattern in addition to spinning 1,000 miles an hour!

So here is the puzzler, If I stick my arm out of my car window, traveling at 60 miles an hour, there is a tremendous wind resistance.

But I don't feel any wind to speak of despite spinning at 1,000 miles and hour and flying around the sun at 68,000 miles an hour??

God must know what It is doing far beyond our own capacity to understand. How did he make it so we aren't pressed against the earth by the incredible speeds were are constantly facing?
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How did he make it so we aren't pressed against the earth by the incredible speeds were are constantly facing?
 Quoting: It was a puzzler 1259691

If you motor along the highway at a constant speed of a 100 km/h you will not be pressed against the back of your seat.
If you press the accelerator you will.
It is the change in speed that is resisted by matter.
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How did he make it so we aren't pressed against the earth by the incredible speeds were are constantly facing?
 Quoting: It was a puzzler 1259691

If you motor along the highway at a constant speed of a 100 km/h you will not be pressed against the back of your seat.
If you press the accelerator you will.
It is the change in speed that is resisted by matter.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Thanks.

However, if I stick my arm out the window while traveling at a constant speed, the wind will still push on my arm at a significant rate and with a significant force.

Meanwhile, we are traveling at 86,000 miles an hour, give or take a few thousand miles, while spinning at 1,000 miles an hour, yet there is no 86,000 mile an hour wind and no 1,000 miles-an-hour wind.
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For the past few months, when I've looked in the sky at night, there has barely been a single star in the sky.

I couldn't take it any more. Drove about 30 or 40 miles to a dark place. Finally! Lots of stars!

What is so cool when looking at them steadily even for just several seconds, you can see the stars rotate as it were.

Then it occurred to me that the earth travels about 600 million miles each year going around the sun. Which means were are travelling 68,000 miles an hour through space in that pattern in addition to spinning 1,000 miles an hour!

So here is the puzzler, If I stick my arm out of my car window, traveling at 60 miles an hour, there is a tremendous wind resistance.

But I don't feel any wind to speak of despite spinning at 1,000 miles and hour and flying around the sun at 68,000 miles an hour??

God must know what It is doing far beyond our own capacity to understand. How did he make it so we aren't pressed against the earth by the incredible speeds were are constantly facing?
 Quoting: It was a puzzler 1259691


I think it is the opposite, gravity will have us pinned to the ground, the spinning counteracts the gravity so that we are free to move. Spin too fast and we will loose gravity and float or even fly off! The ratio of spin to gravity is perfect.
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The earth atmosphere also spins at the rate of 1000's mph.

We as humans have a very limited perception of the universe.

Animals can tell when an earthquake is about to happen.

Snakes can see infrared.

Bats have sonar.


Humans are seriously lacking in the "5 senses". There is so much muted buy our biology it is a wonder we realize anything.

We can only detect changes in momentum/speed, as far as the earth spinning is concerned.

If the earth would stop instantly, we would feel it.

P.s. Our whole solar system is also rotating around the galaxy at speeds that makes our travel around the sun look insignificant.

p.p.s. Try to feel the earth move when you are on shrooms. I am serious when I say, you can sense it.
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You can't feel the 68,000 mph wind on your arm because the atmosphere itself is also travelling with us, as it clings to the earth by gravity

or maybe velcro
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The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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its like flying in a jet liner. As the jet is taking off...if you were to stand up, you'd seriously be dealt a major case of the hang ons or end up flying to the back of the jet. If you allow the plane to reach "cruising" altitude and speed however, in a "pressurized" cabin, gravity is centered around the plane (pun intended) of existence as you know it at that moment.

You can "move about the cabin" as they say freely once all of that cruising speed/altitude/pressurization is fully in place.

We are born into this world so we are already acclimated to the altitude/speed and pressure (atmospheric) by the time we learn to walk and there for we are able to move about the "cabin" freely.

Take something that rips the atmosphere wide open however and we would be exposed to everything...altitude/vacuum/antipressuration. We would not be forced against anything, except to be expelled into the depths of space.
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Off topic, but if you do another star gazing somewhere nice. Could you put a picture included in your post.

I love to see others view points of the stars.
I'm a little unlucky here in the UK.
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Sometime I sit and think about spinning.
It amazes me how much everything is spinning. Round and round... it makes me dizzy to think about it.

We are spinning while spinning while spinning... around and around and around... it makes me dizzy to think about it.

everything is spinning.
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its like flying in a jet liner. As the jet is taking off...if you were to stand up, you'd seriously be dealt a major case of the hang ons or end up flying to the back of the jet. If you allow the plane to reach "cruising" altitude and speed however, in a "pressurized" cabin, gravity is centered around the plane (pun intended) of existence as you know it at that moment.

You can "move about the cabin" as they say freely once all of that cruising speed/altitude/pressurization is fully in place.

We are born into this world so we are already acclimated to the altitude/speed and pressure (atmospheric) by the time we learn to walk and there for we are able to move about the "cabin" freely.

Take something that rips the atmosphere wide open however and we would be exposed to everything...altitude/vacuum/antipressuration. We would not be forced against anything, except to be expelled into the depths of space.
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There is nothing other than gravity holding the atmosphere in place. Surely 68,000 mph would push the atmosphere off the globe. There is some exquisite intelligence in the design that keeps everything in place as if nothing was happening despite how fast we are moving.

Hell, we call anything over 75 mph a hurricane force wind. It will blow things over.
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Sometime I sit and think about spinning.
It amazes me how much everything is spinning. Round and round... it makes me dizzy to think about it.

We are spinning while spinning while spinning... around and around and around... it makes me dizzy to think about it.

everything is spinning.
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Surely 68,000 mph would push the atmosphere off the globe.
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What exactly do you think is pushing?
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Surely 68,000 mph would push the atmosphere off the globe.
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What exactly do you think is pushing?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Maybe that's the answer, but I'm not sure.

If you get your car up to a speed of 60 miles and hour and maintain that speed and then your reach out the window and put put a plastic cup on top of your car, the cup will blow off and it will blow off in the opposite direction that the car is going.

So the car itself generates the force. In this case there is an atmosphere that the car is pushing against. I guess you're saying there is nothing there for the earth's atmosphere to push against. Well, the atmosphere pushes against the high speed of the earth, right?
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So the car itself generates the force. In this case there is an atmosphere that the car is pushing against. I guess you're saying there is nothing there for the earth's atmosphere to push against. Well, the atmosphere pushes against the high speed of the earth, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 1259691

The atmosphere is part of the Earth, every molecule of it is moving in the same direction at the same speed (ignoring rotation).
Think of a speeding train with the engine shut off (ignoring friction), no boxcar will be pushing against the one in front.
They are all moving in the same direction at the same speed.

Newton's First Law of Motion: it takes an outside force to change the velocity of an object.
No outside force (a push) no change in velocity.
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Off topic, but if you do another star gazing somewhere nice. Could you put a picture included in your post.

I love to see others view points of the stars.
I'm a little unlucky here in the UK.
 Quoting: ShabbyOrange


Get yourself up to Dumfries and Galloway.
There's a beautiful forest there and the skies are amongst the clearest you'll ever encounter.
Fabulous for star gazing.
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Star gazing somewhere with clear, dark skies and when it's a new moon (no moon visible) is the greatest. Wonder, awe, imagination.
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apples and oranges bro.
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*sigh* this troll again...
Fuck Yea!
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For the past few months, when I've looked in the sky at night, there has barely been a single star in the sky.

I couldn't take it any more. Drove about 30 or 40 miles to a dark place. Finally! Lots of stars!

What is so cool when looking at them steadily even for just several seconds, you can see the stars rotate as it were.

Then it occurred to me that the earth travels about 600 million miles each year going around the sun. Which means were are travelling 68,000 miles an hour through space in that pattern in addition to spinning 1,000 miles an hour!

So here is the puzzler, If I stick my arm out of my car window, traveling at 60 miles an hour, there is a tremendous wind resistance.

But I don't feel any wind to speak of despite spinning at 1,000 miles and hour and flying around the sun at 68,000 miles an hour??

God must know what It is doing far beyond our own capacity to understand. How did he make it so we aren't pressed against the earth by the incredible speeds were are constantly facing?
 Quoting: It was a puzzler 1259691


I think it is the opposite, gravity will have us pinned to the ground, the spinning counteracts the gravity so that we are free to move. Spin too fast and we will loose gravity and float or even fly off! The ratio of spin to gravity is perfect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20148644


That's an interesting idea.

By the way, it is a great experience to 'see' the stars rotating while looking at them in a place where there is little light pollution.
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Just a few from me


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The close up moon picture was a moonrise taken via telescope on my mobile phone hense why it's not super crisp. The landscape one was 15 second exposure on my cheap ass coolpix camera.
The one that looks black is best viewed in the dark, you can see millions of stars. Taken with my old £50 camera which didn't have a great deal of settings which is why it's quite dark. Feel free for anyone to improve the exposure in photoshop and reupload

More to come when it stops bloody raining and the skies clear up. Been none stop for weeks :(

All our lights in the streets go off at around 12am making it pitch black :)
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Another moon shot, bit light for stars or northern lights yet.

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How did he make it so we aren't pressed against the earth by the incredible speeds were are constantly facing?
 Quoting: It was a puzzler 1259691

If you motor along the highway at a constant speed of a 100 km/h you will not be pressed against the back of your seat.
If you press the accelerator you will.
It is the change in speed that is resisted by matter.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Thanks.

However, if I stick my arm out the window while traveling at a constant speed, the wind will still push on my arm at a significant rate and with a significant force.

Meanwhile, we are traveling at 86,000 miles an hour, give or take a few thousand miles, while spinning at 1,000 miles an hour, yet there is no 86,000 mile an hour wind and no 1,000 miles-an-hour wind.
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That's because Heliocentricity is a lie. The sun worshipers brought that bs in.

Just look at the storms on the sun, guess why... has something do with the travels of the sun.

They've been conditioned to think they are travelling, but it's the Verse that is moving.
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Did it work ? I held my breath at a nib light.
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Freedom of speech is real. We are free, within reasonable bounds, to say or to write pretty much what we please. Others are quite free to ignore what we say or write. They do.

To discriminate, however, there are certain guidelines. Careful research is shown by attributions including identifications, bibliography, sense of situation and evenness of writing. Opinion is identified. Statements can be checked and crosschecked against references. It helps to question ourselves as thoroughly as we question others.

That our freedoms, however identified, are presently being reduced still again is a crime for which we are yet to be sentenced. And, important to note, we still have more freedoms than the vast majority sharing this planet with us at this time. I am including myself within "we."

I am very aware that there are many people out there with whom I would be uncomfortable if not quite scared. While I share many concerns with people in that category, I would not assume they would be nice to me. I have met some very imposing, very angry, very different people. More than a few times, I have been very frightened, felt very alone, quite defenseless.

Having earned positions on various hitlists and shitlists over the years, I tell myself I know who to avoid on dark streets or rural roads. Telling myself such things is only momentarily comforting since I am also aware that such folks are shapeshifters worthy of a Tony Hillerman novel.

I would not like to encounter many of the Vietnamese who spent their entire adult lives, if they survived, in conflict with French and then American forces. Apology is weakness to them. We stand as we are now, not as we may have been then. And, at the same time, I would be willing to test that assumption.

I would not expect to be welcomed into many villages in many places given my white face and American appearance. And, yet, to be honest, there were times when I walked into such villages almost expecting trouble and finding welcome instead. Have to watch thought forms in times like these. Knowing that a dog can tell when people are frightened, I know that I can neither show nor feel fear in those moments. Not easy, though. Works with most dogs, works with some people.

I much admire Kaplan for his persistence on seeking out places where his white face and American passport tend to carry negative values. I don't know that I could do it any more. Too old. Too settled. Too comfortable. Too willing to let others do my work now.

Most frightening to me would be many denizens lurking in the dark bowels of American and other governments to whom my thinking is anathema. I am not saying there is anything special about me. I am saying that thinking, per se, is dangerous. These are the folks who have more consistently and too often successfully made my life miserable from time to time. Too often an observer could say that I asked for it and got it. I know that.

I don't believe in guns although I once knew how to use guns. I don't trust guns. To carry a gun is an admission, in my terms, of failure. Yet, there was one time when I went out and bought an effective short rifle. I even dumdumed a few boxes of ammunition (very carefully, I might add). It was a sobering experience. I had to admit my fear was very near. I had been had — by myself, primarily. I could have gone along. I could have stayed inside the oligarchy and profited materially. The gun was soon sold. I dumped the dumdum bullets. In that sense, I stand naked.

Here is a real difference. No matter who I pissed off and how I managed to do it, I could walk away. Sobering and escapist. The wonderful people I met in the civil rights struggles within American states, north and south, had courage I didn't need. They stayed. The desperately crushed peoples I have known in my travels had little choice but to stay. Some stood tall in spite of everything unleashed upon them. Too many were simply crushed, soul pressed out of them.

The strong and effective leadership I met in Cabrini Green housing in Chicago during the riots after Martin [Luther King] was assassinated had strength I couldn't maintain. Within the Black Panthers and parallel Chicano organizations, I watched truly beautiful people harassed, in some cases, literally to death. A few days on Lakota reservations or within the back country of Diné clans, revealed people I lacked the courage to stay among.

I have mentioned the dozen men crammed into two rooms of London's anciently miserable E-2, refugees from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh, all PhDs, living in utter misery, barely managing food money for themselves and still sending money home to family. These were not ignorant or primitive men. These were excellent men. I suppose we would now call them Islamic fundamentalists. I suppose they would now join the many being detained, incognito, in isolation cells. They were and, I hope, are good men. We loved each other as men will.

A good friend at Harvard Business School was a Pathan or Pustu from Afghanistan. He was tall; big in the sense that comes from strength more than from pumping iron in a gym. He wanted the skills he was learning to take home to his family. His family, like the others, was defined not by nation-state, i.e. Afghanistan. It was defined by his family, his clan, his tribe.

I am lost when I try to identify family, clan or tribe. I remember people who have flashed across my life like meteors, making great impacts which sustain my questions. Otherwise, they are mostly now unavailable except in memory. Is this loneliness?

I would believe and trust these people, these men and women, much more than I trust present American leadership; the leadership taking us down a grim road into history today. These people, given my excellent Eastern establishment education and upbringing, may be as close to family, clan and tribe as possible for me and my kind. Perhaps it is knowing them so well that makes me distrust.

There, I said it.
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That ra niburu on the middle of mars light on the moon with space life but no base tree.

Not even a space tree or plant.
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You can't feel the 68,000 mph wind on your arm because the atmosphere itself is also travelling with us, as it clings to the earth by gravity

or maybe velcro
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^This^
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No captures of the meteor shower but I saw a decent 10-12 in around 30 minutes looking north east with the eyes.
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A highly exposed shot

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Planet shifts are nicer i heard ..

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