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55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose

 
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Funny how things have changed. Who today would describe the event they just experienced as "just beautiful"???
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I thought it was boring.
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
So what happened to them later? Did they die from lung cancer? I noticed that at least one of them was smoking.
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and what about the two airplanes and their pilots.... the shockwave had to impact them too...
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
"On July 19, 1957, five men stood at Ground Zero of an atomic test that was being conducted at the Nevada Test Site. This was the test of a 2KT (kiloton) MB-1 nuclear air-to-air rocket launched from an F-89 Scorpion interceptor. The nuclear missile detonated 10,000 ft above their heads.

A reel-to-reel tape recorder was present to record their experience. You can see and hear the men react to the shock wave moments after the detonation.

The placard reading "Ground Zero; Population Five" was made by Colonel Arthur B. "Barney" Oldfield, the Public Information Officer for the Continental Air Defense Command in Colorado Spring who arranged for the volunteers to participate.

The five volunteers were:
Colonel Sidney Bruce
Lt. Colonel Frank P. Ball (technical advisor to the Steve Canyon tv show)
Major Norman "Bodie" Bodinger
Major John Hughes
Don Lutrel

and George Yoshitake, the cameraman (who wasn't a volunteer)

see George discuss his work photographing atomic and nuclear explosions in "Atomic Filmmakers."


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 Quoting: God1337


interesting

no EMP

their recording equipment still worked
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Vacuum tubes are not affected, only microchips :)
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My grandpa used to tell stories of being very close to the underground nuclear tests he worked on in NV. He was an electrician. He lived to be 88.
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kitty That shit was everywhere. I remember my dad taking my sister and I to school back in the mid 50s in Mt Shasta and asking him why the snow was green. He said it was from the atomic bomb tests in Nevada.
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I have several old cars that will survive and EMP...can make fuel from distilling corn from the garden...





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ahhh those were the days
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Notice how blue the sky was and no Chemtrails?
 Quoting: Hawk-02


Come on mate plug your brain in, its a military testing ground so no commercial flights and they are after all about to detonate a nuclear weapon.
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I have several old cars that will survive and EMP...can make fuel from distilling corn from the garden...





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Nice ride, Brief. 1967?
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07/20/2012 11:32 AM
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
EMPs affect solid-state electronics. At the time of this filming and recording, there were no solid state electronics.

Cars made before 1980 would not be affected, either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522694


Sorry to tell you dude but you are missinformed, for example the cats whisker diode.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

After all they where well known even then thanks to Karl Ferdinand Braun who discovered Copper oxide and selenium rectifiers. He discovered this in 1847.

Fixed germanium diode,s appeared in the fifties. There was actually plenty of solid state electronics around.

The lack of EMP is likely due to the small size of the nuke only 2 kilo tons. Also the electronics of the day would have been pretty big and substantial (and tough as hell) by today's standards.
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
EMPs affect solid-state electronics. At the time of this filming and recording, there were no solid state electronics.

Cars made before 1980 would not be affected, either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522694


too bad the government literally destroyed most of the cars made before 1980 in that cash for clunkers program
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Thats no accident....
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07/20/2012 11:38 AM
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
10,000 feet equals just over 2 miles so outside the blast effects which would be considered dangerous for a 2 kt weapon. Also apart from prompt radiation which probably wouldn't have reached out that far for an explosion of this size there would have been no fallout as it was airbrush and no ground particles cold merge with the blast.

Interesting stuff...if it had been at 1,000 feet though it would have been a different story!
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I have several old cars that will survive and EMP...can make fuel from distilling corn from the garden...





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Nice ride, Brief. 1967?
 Quoting: tiger1


64 1/2 the first year they made them...
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interesting

no EMP

their recording equipment still worked
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EMP requires the Compton effect, which in turn requires a detonation far above the ionosphere, not as low at 10,000 ft.
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
My grandpa used to tell stories of being very close to the underground nuclear tests he worked on in NV. He was an electrician. He lived to be 88.
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I bet your grandpa worked for Reynolds Electric.
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It's called, Suicide-By-Stupidity.
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07/20/2012 12:13 PM
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They all lived long healthy lives and were all smokers just like almost eveyone back in those days.

peace
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
interesting

no EMP

their recording equipment still worked
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^

An Electro-Magnetic Pulse induces electrical currents in anything conductive
If the voltage gets high enough the material will be damaged, i.e. wires will melt and solid-state electronic parts will burn out.

EMP can be stopped by a Faraday Cage, basically a metal box or mesh shield.
The more shielding the better.

From the Wiki article already quoted above: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

During the first United States nuclear test on 16 July 1945, electronic equipment was shielded due to Enrico Fermi's expectation of an electromagnetic pulse from the detonation. The official technical history for that first nuclear test states, "All signal lines were completely shielded, in many cases doubly shielded. In spite of this many records were lost because of spurious pickup at the time of the explosion that paralyzed the recording equipment."

The military has been aware of the risks of high-altitude nuclear EMP attack for decades, you can be assured that all their essential equipment can handle all but the most powerful EMPs.

It is civil infrastructure, for which maintenance has been underfunded for decades, and consumer electrical and electronic devices that are most at risk from an EMP attack.
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EMPs affect solid-state electronics. At the time of this filming and recording, there were no solid state electronics.

Cars made before 1980 would not be affected, either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522694


too bad the government literally destroyed most of the cars made before 1980 in that cash for clunkers program
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


motive?
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
The bomb was not designed as an EMP, for strong EMP you need flux compression mechanism in the bomb, like a coil of wire that is bent fast by the explosion.

Had it had EMP coil then any transistors in the audio/vid equipment would have been toast, even large mass old transistors get zapped. Valves would survive. But wiring harnesses may have been damaged and fuses would blow.
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07/20/2012 12:57 PM
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
If you want to save any equipment from emp, just get a sealed, metal container and store them disconnected. The emp won't penetrate.

Same thing if you go below ground sufficiently. EMP isn't magic.

The grid would be done, however.
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
If you want to save any equipment from emp, just get a sealed, metal container and store them disconnected. The emp won't penetrate.

Same thing if you go below ground sufficiently. EMP isn't magic.

The grid would be done, however.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19346666


You probably don't even need a metal container, just disconnect from the grid. The cell phone in your pocket is not going to get fried by EMP, but the cell phone plugged into its AC charger probably will be.
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
"On July 19, 1957, five men stood at Ground Zero of an atomic test that was being conducted at the Nevada Test Site. This was the test of a 2KT (kiloton) MB-1 nuclear air-to-air rocket launched from an F-89 Scorpion interceptor. The nuclear missile detonated 10,000 ft above their heads.

A reel-to-reel tape recorder was present to record their experience. You can see and hear the men react to the shock wave moments after the detonation.

The placard reading "Ground Zero; Population Five" was made by Colonel Arthur B. "Barney" Oldfield, the Public Information Officer for the Continental Air Defense Command in Colorado Spring who arranged for the volunteers to participate.

The five volunteers were:
Colonel Sidney Bruce
Lt. Colonel Frank P. Ball (technical advisor to the Steve Canyon tv show)
Major Norman "Bodie" Bodinger
Major John Hughes
Don Lutrel

and George Yoshitake, the cameraman (who wasn't a volunteer)

see George discuss his work photographing atomic and nuclear explosions in "Atomic Filmmakers."


[link to usnews.msnbc.msn.com]
 Quoting: God1337


interesting

no EMP

their recording equipment still worked
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



I think EMP only affects more modern equipment with PCB's / Chips in etc.?

This camera would have had the old fashioned transistors / capacitors in it.

If you pick up an old CB Radio from the 1980's, that would be good for backup comms in case something nuclear kicked off as I'm told they're OK with EMP but the more modern microchip lcd CB's would be toast!
 Quoting: minkey53


It's quite possible. I do know that the old vacuum tubes are immune to EMP blasts and in Russia most of their electronics equipment used vacuum tubes up until the late 80s/early 90s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


Yep. Were all surface mount micro and nano processors now.
SemiConductors are much more sensitive to EMP.

Old hardwire equipment, built like a tank would be just fine.
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Guess what your metal body car is....or the metal box your cars ecm is.......a faraday cage....EMP is highly overrated
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"On July 19, 1957, five men stood at Ground Zero of an atomic test that was being conducted at the Nevada Test Site. This was the test of a 2KT (kiloton) MB-1 nuclear air-to-air rocket launched from an F-89 Scorpion interceptor. The nuclear missile detonated 10,000 ft above their heads.

A reel-to-reel tape recorder was present to record their experience. You can see and hear the men react to the shock wave moments after the detonation.

The placard reading "Ground Zero; Population Five" was made by Colonel Arthur B. "Barney" Oldfield, the Public Information Officer for the Continental Air Defense Command in Colorado Spring who arranged for the volunteers to participate.

The five volunteers were:
Colonel Sidney Bruce
Lt. Colonel Frank P. Ball (technical advisor to the Steve Canyon tv show)
Major Norman "Bodie" Bodinger
Major John Hughes
Don Lutrel

and George Yoshitake, the cameraman (who wasn't a volunteer)

see George discuss his work photographing atomic and nuclear explosions in "Atomic Filmmakers."


[link to usnews.msnbc.msn.com]
 Quoting: God1337


Only men can find the tools of destruction so exciting , seductive and humorous and be the willing guinea pigs to such a destructive force. Radiation distorts the oscillation of light waves and can destroy their souls, such justice.
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Supposedly, 2 weeks before that, 12 men stood involuntarily and handcuffed in that same area much closer to a previous one, so they could watch their skin peel off from the blast.
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
So what happened to them later? Did they die from lung cancer? I noticed that at least one of them was smoking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553802


oh noes!

haha, we are definitely in 2012

i was born too late. these men have balls of steel



great find OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18558820


Like military men could say no to a "request to volunteer" from the US government back then.
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Funny how things have changed. Who today would describe the event they just experienced as "just beautiful"???
cool2
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I thought it was boring.
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I felt a wave of deep depression.
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Guess what your metal body car is....or the metal box your cars ecm is.......a faraday cage....EMP is highly overrated
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Not grounded, large holes
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
They all lived long healthy lives and were all smokers just like almost eveyone back in those days.

peace
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Riiiiight. Go ahead and try to get medical record information on those guys!
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Re: 55 years ago, 6 stood under atomic bomb blast -- on purpose
Obviously, you have information at your fingertips. So use it to find out instead of going about not knowing the answers. The great thing about the internet is you can get your information from multiple sources.

Google It!

This is the best info I found on this current subject:


[link to www.npr.org]

If you want more, well then there is always Google

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