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So this James Holmes - Why would they even consider blowing up the APT? What about the evidence!

 
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It's all becoming quite clear:

"Navy cyber tech among those killed in Aurora"

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


And why did Aurora's police Chief initially say 14 people had been killed: 10 at the scene and four others reported by hospitals.

At some point that was revised to be 10 at the scene and two reported by hospitals.

How and why was this number revised?
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i have a feeling that was just chance. he was a 27yr old guy who joined the navy in 2011. Chances are - he just wanted to see batman. lol. I'm in this age group, and I want to see it. :-)
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If it were any other branch and any other field, I might agree. But given the number of times our own government has targeted the Office of Naval Intelligence with federally-funded, government supported terrorism – the Weather Underground and 9/11 – I suspect that this guy is key.
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Wow. He was with a fleet dedicated to cyber-spying and working with the NSA:

U.S. Fleet Cyber Command/U.S. Tenth Fleet
[link to www.google.com]

Very interesting.
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there's no oops. when this was originally posted, they were going to blow it up - that was the talk.
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They keep telling the media to stay to the east of the apartment, for safety reasons. But, what if the west or south or north side of the building reveals something different? They mentioned it may take days befor they "do anything" with the equipment in his place.... so maybe they are rigging it to match the story?

Just a thought.
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there's no oops. when this was originally posted,
they were going to blow it up - that was the talk.

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It was certainly his intention to blow it up!

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I don't get it. Why would they blow it up and sacrifice the evidence they could find. Why can't they send in a robot or go in through a Neighbor's wall? You can't tell me that we deal with this kinda shit in Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 years, and we don't have the ability to get into a dorm room... I'm not buying that it's so booby-trapped, that they can't gain entry. If this kid can build it, they can work around it.

Pop bottles with unknown liquid. Balloons with powder in them, and wires all visible from outside. You can't tell me they cant get a robot in through a wall to dig around.

Or how about another angle - They already said he was the smartest kid in the PHD program, so lets just say he's borderline genius. We know that he basically GAVE HIMSELF UP without a firefight. Wouldn't they think he'd have hidden this shit out of sight were he really trying to blow up his own APT if someone entered?

Maybe he planned this. Maybe he knew they'd blow it up and he has some type of biological agent in his apt, hoping they see everything and blow up his place, inadvertently dispensing whatever said agent is inside.
 Quoting: ifSHTF



It's all becoming quite clear:

"Navy cyber tech among those killed in Aurora"

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


And why did Aurora's police Chief initially say 14 people had been killed: 10 at the scene and four others reported by hospitals.

At some point that was revised to be 10 at the scene and two reported by hospitals.

How and why was this number revised?
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Yeah, I heard one news bit say it went to 13, and another said 14, then it went back to 12.tomato
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at this point i am not convinced
of a false flag.
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there's no oops. when this was originally posted,
they were going to blow it up - that was the talk.

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 Quoting: ifSHTF
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It was certainly his intention to blow it up!

:James-Holmes-cla:

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That middle picture ironically looks like Tobey McGuire,
Spiderman.
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live----> [link to media.thedenverchannel.com]

1 explosion just heard
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spooks have to have their records erased to join the CIA...ghost NOT..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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And what about the interview with his downstairs neighbors who claim that a loud techno song set on a play loop began blasting from his apartment at midnight, as if to lure someone to come in and respond to a noise complaint tripping the wires and sending the place up. The woman who went up to check on things said she had her hand on the knob and it was loose as if unlocked but she had a feeling not to turn it - wow
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I don't get it. Why would they blow it up and sacrifice the evidence they could find. Why can't they send in a robot or go in through a Neighbor's wall? You can't tell me that we deal with this kinda shit in Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 years, and we don't have the ability to get into a dorm room... I'm not buying that it's so booby-trapped, that they can't gain entry. If this kid can build it, they can work around it.

Pop bottles with unknown liquid. Balloons with powder in them, and wires all visible from outside. You can't tell me they cant get a robot in through a wall to dig around.

Or how about another angle - They already said he was the smartest kid in the PHD program, so lets just say he's borderline genius. We know that he basically GAVE HIMSELF UP without a firefight. Wouldn't they think he'd have hidden this shit out of sight were he really trying to blow up his own APT if someone entered?

Maybe he planned this. Maybe he knew they'd blow it up and he has some type of biological agent in his apt, hoping they see everything and blow up his place, inadvertently dispensing whatever said agent is inside.
 Quoting: ifSHTF



It's all becoming quite clear:

"Navy cyber tech among those killed in Aurora"

[link to www.cbsnews.com]


And why did Aurora's police Chief initially say 14 people had been killed: 10 at the scene and four others reported by hospitals.

At some point that was revised to be 10 at the scene and two reported by hospitals.

How and why was this number revised?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17582356
its a CIA op,knuckleheads...spooks have to be dead before they join the CIA as spooks...you got your regular CIA personnel,then you got your shadow CIA aka spooks...dont you remember the movie conspiracy theory with Jerry and how his place was rigged to go up...

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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there's no oops. when this was originally posted, they were going to blow it up - that was the talk.
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Didn't mean to offend you. Well, then it's turned into an "oops" due to no fault of yours.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson

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Shin this pit.
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I don't get it. Why would they blow it up and sacrifice the evidence they could find. Why can't they send in a robot or go in through a Neighbor's wall? You can't tell me that we deal with this kinda shit in Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 years, and we don't have the ability to get into a dorm room... I'm not buying that it's so booby-trapped, that they can't gain entry. If this kid can build it, they can work around it.

Pop bottles with unknown liquid. Balloons with powder in them, and wires all visible from outside. You can't tell me they cant get a robot in through a wall to dig around.

Or how about another angle - They already said he was the smartest kid in the PHD program, so lets just say he's borderline genius. We know that he basically GAVE HIMSELF UP without a firefight. Wouldn't they think he'd have hidden this shit out of sight were he really trying to blow up his own APT if someone entered?

Maybe he planned this. Maybe he knew they'd blow it up and he has some type of biological agent in his apt, hoping they see everything and blow up his place, inadvertently dispensing whatever said agent is inside.
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Pretty much my thoughts when I read that he told the police the apartment was rigged with traps.
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Maybe he planned this. Maybe he knew they'd blow it up and he
has some type of biological agent in his apt, hoping they see
everything and blow up his place, inadvertently dispensing
whatever said agent is inside.

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No, his loud music was on a timer,
and went off before his terror attack.

He also reportedly left his door unlocked.

Holmes HOPED that a neighbor would open the door and set
off explosions (yeah, he'd kill that person, too).

The apartment was meant to be a DISTRACTION to explode and
make the Police respond at his apartment, so he'd have more
time to kill more people at the movie theater.


Sick fuck!

:Occupy - James H:

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Does anyone know what kind of music or song went off?
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Fox News reports the LOUD BANG was significant.
And it was successful/
OP is right, they just set off a significant explosive INSIDE the Apartment.
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there's no oops. when this was originally posted, they were going to blow it up - that was the talk.
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Didn't mean to offend you. Well, then it's turned into an "oops" due to no fault of yours.
 Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain


I'm glad this turned into an oops. I was terrified they were going to level the place and destroy any chance at evidence retrieval. Like I said, I think there's more to the story, and if they level the apt complex, there's no finding out the extra info.

We can only hope its one guy who went nuts. That is the hope.

However, the kid was the top performer in his PHD program. That in itself is a huge red flag to me. It indicates he's probably highly intelligent and wouldn't intentionally make stupid moves that wouldn't yield some type of tactical advantage.

They need the evidence from his room. Hopefully James didn't destroy all his PC's, phone, etc.
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They do expect more explosions as they enter...
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Maybe he planned this. Maybe he knew they'd blow it up and he
has some type of biological agent in his apt, hoping they see
everything and blow up his place, inadvertently dispensing
whatever said agent is inside.

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 Quoting: ifSHTF
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No, his loud music was on a timer,
and went off before his terror attack.

He also reportedly left his door unlocked.

Holmes HOPED that a neighbor would open the door and set
off explosions (yeah, he'd kill that person, too).

The apartment was meant to be a DISTRACTION to explode and
make the Police respond at his apartment, so he'd have more
time to kill more people at the movie theater.


Sick fuck!

Occupy - James H

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Does anyone know what kind of music or song went off?
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Loud Techno music. I was half expecting the music from V for Vendetta. lol

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Fox is fixing to replay the Significant Explosion.
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For the purpose of destroying all evidence, nothing else makes sense.
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The same reason they got rid of Osama's body

its a CIA op,knuckleheads...spooks have to be dead before they join the CIA as spooks...you got your regular CIA personnel,then you got your shadow CIA aka spooks...dont you remember the movie conspiracy theory with Jerry and how his place was rigged to go up...
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also in the movie

Enemy of The State with
Will Smith and Gene Hackman
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They are cleaning everything in Denver so aliens can use the airport in safety... this is all part of a plan to eradicate life there to do so...

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Maybe he planned this. Maybe he knew they'd blow it up and he
has some type of biological agent in his apt, hoping they see
everything and blow up his place, inadvertently dispensing
whatever said agent is inside.

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 Quoting: ifSHTF
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No, his loud music was on a timer,
and went off before his terror attack.

He also reportedly left his door unlocked.

Holmes HOPED that a neighbor would open the door and set
off explosions (yeah, he'd kill that person, too).

The apartment was meant to be a DISTRACTION to explode and
make the Police respond at his apartment, so he'd have more
time to kill more people at the movie theater.


Sick fuck!

Occupy - James H

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Does anyone know what kind of music or song went off?

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11467141
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The neighbor reported "techno" music.

It matches his profile.


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For the purpose of destroying all evidence, nothing else makes sense.

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Then they would simply let the whole apartment complex burn down,
and simply pay off the other resident for their loss.


No, they want the evidence to catch his radical comrades.


Occupy-Wall-Stre

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You guys all need to chill out. They didn't blow up his apartment, it was a controlled demolition of some of the explosives in his apartment. It does not mean they blew up everything.

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