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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.
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:hbird: That's rubbish, all you would have then is murderous, mindless anarchy.
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That's rubbish. People are more than capable of leading their own lives without a president, queen, emperor, etc.

The morons who have been placed in a leadership position are nothing more than a figurehead on the bow of a ship.
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your vote for president doesn't matter in an electoral college election unless you're a delegate, so I would agree that all delegates votes should be on paper.
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Follow the votes (money).

AP (Associated Press) is "our" official Government interface.
Ask yourselves this: how does AP make it's money?

Ap releases all vote result information.
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It's not the votes that count. It's who counts the votes.
Josef Stalin

Our current voting system is gravely flawed with electronic vote cheating, and centralized tabulation subject to hacking.

Until any vote goes for tabulation, it must be hand counted, read out loud and video taped at every precinct, county, and State. Any centrally tabulated vote must be verified at every location.

Anything less will give us continuing corruption, submission to corporate money, and theft of private property. Just because it is "official by government," and so called approved by your currently compromised voting franchise, it is not necessarily good or right.

It is either government of the people, by the people, and for the people or it is nothing.
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Agreed something is not right with what is happening. Which is why Holder and the majority of the Democrats fight voter ID. Which is why Obama in 2008 had a past Diebold CEO as one of his super delegates, which is why we have voting machines from Venezuela. Which is why you have pollsters like Zogby Polls a Muslim brother of another super delegate both friends of Obama. After all Latino vote for who they think will win, perception is everything.
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Why shouldn't poll worker be paying money for their work?
They should be payed if they count vote fast and accurate.
Why should vote counts take days?

The faster and more accurate the workers are the more they should get payed, say equal to the CEO for one days work.
That's how important it is really.

In this time of low employment every little bit helps.
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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.
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:hbird: That's rubbish, all you would have then is murderous, mindless anarchy.
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Wild West. The towns kept order pretty damned well. There was some anarchy, but no more or less than what we have now.

In some places you'd actually have sheriffs who were redeemed bank robbers.
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yea maybe a small goverment but this time have some backup plan if it gets to big or out of control it quickly gets its ass clipped.

I agree with you there. After the revolution, and we start electing new people for congress, we need to pass a law that if they try to pass unconstitutional legislation, everyone that votes 'yes' goes to prison, just like whoever tries to bring an unconstitutional bill up for vote.

Also, if budgets are not met, it comes out of THEIR pay first before being passed off to the people.

Also, whatever laws are passed (like healthcare) are to be experienced by them too. No special treatment.

And a big one... NO MORE LOBBYING! Each candidate will have the same small amount of money to use for campaign that is taken from taxes. Outside tampering from business or lobby groups is punishable by prison.


I can fully agree with this. Problem is the liberals will never accept it because they could never win any form of an election. They gays will scream foul, the unions will start busting heads again, and nothing will ever get done. The losers will sulk and cry and raise hell about how it is so unfair that they can not run things. I have never understood how a minority in this country thinks it has a right to rule over all.
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People who are not utter reptilian sacks of ass vomit as leaders our only hope for the future. Who gives a flaming sack of lizard shit how they count the votes when everyone on the ballot who has money to campaign is a complete and utter sack of rectal fudge ?
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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.

If there were no government, the weak minded such as yourself would be cut off from the fucking people. Idiots like you that need a government to tell them what they can and cannot do are the ones holding the rest of us back.
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so, you rush into a profanity filled diatribe critical of someone who dares to think along lines different than your own. No respect for that. now listen and think, governments are for the administration of things, not people, and the role government is to see to the general welfare of the people and in so doing naturally bring about the willingness and capability of the people to govern themselves.
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People who are not utter reptilian sacks of ass vomit as leaders our only hope for the future. Who gives a flaming sack of lizard shit how they count the votes when everyone on the ballot who has money to campaign is a complete and utter sack of rectal fudge ?
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all you've really accomplished with this statement is to inform the readers of the disgusting filth your thoughts are occupied with. it's not too late to find respect for yourself and determine for yourself an honorable path in life.
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yea maybe a small goverment but this time have some backup plan if it gets to big or out of control it quickly gets its ass clipped.
 Quoting: 071676

I agree with you there. After the revolution, and we start electing new people for congress, we need to pass a law that if they try to pass unconstitutional legislation, everyone that votes 'yes' goes to prison, just like whoever tries to bring an unconstitutional bill up for vote.

Also, if budgets are not met, it comes out of THEIR pay first before being passed off to the people.

Also, whatever laws are passed (like healthcare) are to be experienced by them too. No special treatment.

And a big one... NO MORE LOBBYING! Each candidate will have the same small amount of money to use for campaign that is taken from taxes. Outside tampering from business or lobby groups is punishable by prison.


I can fully agree with this. Problem is the liberals will never accept it because they could never win any form of an election. They gays will scream foul, the unions will start busting heads again, and nothing will ever get done. The losers will sulk and cry and raise hell about how it is so unfair that they can not run things. I have never understood how a minority in this country thinks it has a right to rule over all.


consider this, labels are not good in that they discourage a thorough understanding of the issues. prisons are expensive to the taxpayer/citizen in more ways than one in that they stand as examples of the fear that the state instills in the people and also the failure of the society to cope. those who have no problem prescribing prison terms for others they disagree with lack insight and compassion. this is not to say that there exists individuals who are a danger to society and therefore need to be dealt with in some manner to protect society, only that care should be taken before throwing someone in prison or an injustice will occur.
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And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address

Lincoln's economic advisor Henry C. Carey explained the universal issue in his 1851 Harmony of Interests:

"Two systems are before the world.... One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other ... the American system, for ... elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world."
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If everyone works for this over the next four years, it can happen. The only problem is we cannot force the politicians to do it, because they are in on the system.
"With an eye made quiet by the power of harmony and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things." William Wordsworth

And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address

Lincoln's economic advisor Henry C. Carey explained the universal issue in his 1851 Harmony of Interests:

"Two systems are before the world.... One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other ... the American system, for ... elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world."
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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.

If there were no government, the weak minded such as yourself would be cut off from the fucking people. Idiots like you that need a government to tell them what they can and cannot do are the ones holding the rest of us back.
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Yeah and when is "zero government," going to happen? What is your implementation strategy? At least with a verifiable system of voting, there is a change to solve the grave problems of government encroachment.
"With an eye made quiet by the power of harmony and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things." William Wordsworth

And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address

Lincoln's economic advisor Henry C. Carey explained the universal issue in his 1851 Harmony of Interests:

"Two systems are before the world.... One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other ... the American system, for ... elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world."
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It's not the votes that count. It's who counts the votes.
Josef Stalin

Our current voting system is gravely flawed with electronic vote cheating, and centralized tabulation subject to hacking.

Until any vote goes for tabulation, it must be hand counted, read out loud and video taped at every precinct, county, and State. Any centrally tabulated vote must be verified at every location.

Anything less will give us continuing corruption, submission to corporate money, and theft of private property. Just because it is "official by government," and so called approved by your currently compromised voting franchise, it is not necessarily good or right.

It is either government of the people, by the people, and for the people or it is nothing.
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Why is it, when 638 people voted at a precinct in Franklin County, a voting machine awarded 4,258 extra votes to George Bush? Thankfully, they fixed it, but how many other votes did the computers get wrong?

Barbara Boxer

Hey I don't really like Barbara Boxer but she does have a point.
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Because the votes are fixed,, unless you catch them in the act.
This year they made it so plan, that any thinking person could see it!
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Our current voting system is gravely flawed with electronic vote cheating, and centralized tabulation subject to hacking.
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Without electronical voting Al Gore would have won 2000.
More electronical voting and it's fraud possibilities is your only chance to ever again have a rep president.
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It's not the votes that count. It's who counts the votes.
Josef Stalin

Our current voting system is gravely flawed with electronic vote cheating, and centralized tabulation subject to hacking.

Until any vote goes for tabulation, it must be hand counted, read out loud and video taped at every precinct, county, and State. Any centrally tabulated vote must be verified at every location.

Anything less will give us continuing corruption, submission to corporate money, and theft of private property. Just because it is "official by government," and so called approved by your currently compromised voting franchise, it is not necessarily good or right.

It is either government of the people, by the people, and for the people or it is nothing.
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No point, there will be no more elections america will be destroyed by Obama without doubt.
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The voter must leave with some sort of receipt.
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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.

If there were no government, the weak minded such as yourself would be cut off from the fucking people. Idiots like you that need a government to tell them what they can and cannot do are the ones holding the rest of us back.
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clappa
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every person must vote twice, with two independant vote counters, if the numbers dont add up.

then its a recount!

simple problem, simple solution for simple people.
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America has no future but death and destruction.
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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.

If there were no government, the weak minded such as yourself would be cut off from the fucking people. Idiots like you that need a government to tell them what they can and cannot do are the ones holding the rest of us back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18158912


Who's going to fill in the holes in the street, and keep people from robbing you?
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People already fill the holes, and people are capable of protecting themselves. Well, not always, but they still cant protect everyone with a huge government, I mean the government cant protect people from life, what are they gonna keep me from dying whe OB care kicks in? cheeze, life is good and always has been and badness happens now and always has been occurring, just like goodness, deal with it.
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NO, shill!

The answer is not hand-counted ballots... it's ZERO ballots.

ZERO election.

Zero government.

If there were no government, the weak minded such as yourself would be cut off from the fucking people. Idiots like you that need a government to tell them what they can and cannot do are the ones holding the rest of us back.
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Bump! These morons don't understand. They are sheep.
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If everyone works for this over the next four years, it can happen. The only problem is we cannot force the politicians to do it, because they are in on the system.
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How? Please be specific OP, thanks
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Big government failed, small government failed, government is an abject failure and they want to make a global government, what madness is that? we will never rid ourselves of slavery if that happens, never ever, carve those words into your neurons.
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You all are fucking idiots.
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Other civilized places have solved this. We could standardize the balloting process around a good solid design and be done with this nonsense.

Take a look at this piece about ballot design. Canada does this well, for example.

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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It's not the votes that count. It's who counts the votes.
Josef Stalin

Our current voting system is gravely flawed with electronic vote cheating, and centralized tabulation subject to hacking.

Until any vote goes for tabulation, it must be hand counted, read out loud and video taped at every precinct, county, and State. Any centrally tabulated vote must be verified at every location.

Anything less will give us continuing corruption, submission to corporate money, and theft of private property. Just because it is "official by government," and so called approved by your currently compromised voting franchise, it is not necessarily good or right.

It is either government of the people, by the people, and for the people or it is nothing.
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