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Bah, A bunch of researchers read some data and made up the gay gene to get further fundings. I don't know of any prominent population geneticists or evolutionary geneticists who expect to find a 'gay gene'. It would be bad for a biologist career if he calls it a load of poo,Get the drift ;).
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Or...they actually found it. It is a peer reviewed study. If they science isn't there then it will be shown as fraudulent. Science can only prove what actually exists. Most geneticists I listen to fully expect this research to be proven out.

Homosexuality in men at least is a genetic trait.

That being the case we have to ask what god was thinking when he created homosexuality then turned around and condemned homosexuals to death.
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That is why God didn't create homosexuality because He condemns it. Humans have chosen to live in deviant ways. But we do have the choice to stop the behavior/s even though it takes a fight to do it.
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But god or nature did create homosexuality. Science has proven this out. Why did god create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death?
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Science has not proven a gay gene.
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Or...they actually found it. It is a peer reviewed study. If they science isn't there then it will be shown as fraudulent. Science can only prove what actually exists. Most geneticists I listen to fully expect this research to be proven out.

Homosexuality in men at least is a genetic trait.

That being the case we have to ask what god was thinking when he created homosexuality then turned around and condemned homosexuals to death.
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That is why God didn't create homosexuality because He condemns it. Humans have chosen to live in deviant ways. But we do have the choice to stop the behavior/s even though it takes a fight to do it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


But god or nature did create homosexuality. Science has proven this out. Why did god create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death?
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Science has not proven a gay gene.
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Actually science has proven that male homosexuality is a genetic trait. That being the case why did god create homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death?
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That is why God didn't create homosexuality because He condemns it. Humans have chosen to live in deviant ways. But we do have the choice to stop the behavior/s even though it takes a fight to do it.
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But god or nature did create homosexuality. Science has proven this out. Why did god create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death?
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Science has not proven a gay gene.
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Actually science has proven that male homosexuality is a genetic trait. That being the case why did god create homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death?
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They haven't proven it is a genetic trait because there is no gay gene.
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It does make a difference because if it is not genetic(which science cannot prove) then it is a choice and not normal. So if people cannot back up that homosexuality is not genetic then they are only spouting opinions. So far it comes down to choice but the media and rabid homosexuals are trying to say what they are doing is normal and forcing their opinions on the general pubic through media and even the education system. That is where there is a problem. You want to live an immoral life then fine. But keep it behind closed doors and out of TV, movies and children's classrooms etc.
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SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GENETIC!!!

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Remember, every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations. The only groups disputing this are a few discredited sects within christianity and islam.

What you say it true though. If homosexuality is genetic then how can christians justify pushing bible based hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. If god created homosexuality how can he turn around and condemn homosexuals to death.
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Bah, A bunch of researchers read some data and made up the gay gene to get further fundings. I don't know of any prominent population geneticists or evolutionary geneticists who expect to find a 'gay gene'. It would be bad for a biologist career if he calls it a load of poo,Get the drift ;).
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Or...they actually found it. It is a peer reviewed study. If they science isn't there then it will be shown as fraudulent. Science can only prove what actually exists. Most geneticists I listen to fully expect this research to be proven out.

Homosexuality in men at least is a genetic trait.

That being the case we have to ask what god was thinking when he created homosexuality then turned around and condemned homosexuals to death.
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You and me are talking genetic traits right ? Correct me if I am wrong ok.
If an illness like diabetes was passed down to someone,that is a genetic trait right ?. They could eat a correct diet,exercise and drink a bit of red wine so any signs of diabetes is no more or they could do the opposite I quess. My understanding is traits involve multiple genes, not a single gene so the gay gene as itself can't be found.

I think it is down to choice because if I had a fat obussive dad or whoever a generation back would I be one too or would I have a choice to be slim and a gentleman ?.
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And why would professional peer reviewed studies come out with a name like gay gene.
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But god or nature did create homosexuality. Science has proven this out. Why did god create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death?
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Science has not proven a gay gene.
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Actually science has proven that male homosexuality is a genetic trait. That being the case why did god create homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death?
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They haven't proven it is a genetic trait because there is no gay gene.
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You might want to put down the bible for a while and start doing some actual research. Here is a study from clear back in the 1980's that shows people are born with their sexual orientation.

William Reiner, a psychiatrist and urologist with the University of Oklahoma has evaluated more than a hundred cases of children born with sexual differentiation disorders. In the 1960s and 70s, it was common in developed countries for doctors to castrate boys born with a micropenis and have them raised as girls. However, this practice has come under attack, because even though these boys were raised as girls, they nearly all report as adults that they are sexually attracted to women. This clearly shows that sexual orientation is determined at birth and not a choice or learned behavior.

Gays are born gay, Straights are born straight. Like skin color, sexual orientation is a genetic trait that cannot be changed.

Why did god make homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death? Someone please answer this question.
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And to the ac going on about gay gene, do make a post about it, when it has been found in like in a concrete way. Until the have a nice day and enjoy the summer.
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Science has not proven a gay gene.
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Actually science has proven that male homosexuality is a genetic trait. That being the case why did god create homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death?
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They haven't proven it is a genetic trait because there is no gay gene.
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You might want to put down the bible for a while and start doing some actual research. Here is a study from clear back in the 1980's that shows people are born with their sexual orientation.

William Reiner, a psychiatrist and urologist with the University of Oklahoma has evaluated more than a hundred cases of children born with sexual differentiation disorders. In the 1960s and 70s, it was common in developed countries for doctors to castrate boys born with a micropenis and have them raised as girls. However, this practice has come under attack, because even though these boys were raised as girls, they nearly all report as adults that they are sexually attracted to women. This clearly shows that sexual orientation is determined at birth and not a choice or learned behavior.

Gays are born gay, Straights are born straight. Like skin color, sexual orientation is a genetic trait that cannot be changed.

Why did god make homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death? Someone please answer this question.
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Does Willyiam provide any names of the boys HE studied or do we take his word for it ?.
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Actually science has proven that male homosexuality is a genetic trait. That being the case why did god create homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death?
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They haven't proven it is a genetic trait because there is no gay gene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


You might want to put down the bible for a while and start doing some actual research. Here is a study from clear back in the 1980's that shows people are born with their sexual orientation.

William Reiner, a psychiatrist and urologist with the University of Oklahoma has evaluated more than a hundred cases of children born with sexual differentiation disorders. In the 1960s and 70s, it was common in developed countries for doctors to castrate boys born with a micropenis and have them raised as girls. However, this practice has come under attack, because even though these boys were raised as girls, they nearly all report as adults that they are sexually attracted to women. This clearly shows that sexual orientation is determined at birth and not a choice or learned behavior.

Gays are born gay, Straights are born straight. Like skin color, sexual orientation is a genetic trait that cannot be changed.

Why did god make homosexuality then turn around and condemn homosexuals to death? Someone please answer this question.
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Does Willyiam provide any names of the boys HE studied or do we take his word for it ?.
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I'm not sure if they listed the names of the boys in the study. I would doubt it since the subjects of studies, as with medical care, are usually keep confidential.

The unique thing about the Reiner study is that it occurred before Marriage Equality for Gay and Lesbian Americans became a political issue. There was no great monetary advantage to producing results.

If you don't like that study here is one on the actual effectiveness of reparative therapy. Or the effectiveness or turning homosexuals into heterosexuals. This study is one of the reasons Exodus International no longer claims that gays can change their sexual orientation.

Report on Reparative Therapy

Ariel Shidlo and Michael Schroeder found in "Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report", a peer-reviewed study published in 2002, that 88% of participants failed to achieve a sustained change in their sexual behavior and 3% reported changing their orientation to heterosexual.

The remainder reported either losing all sexual drive or attempting to remain celibate, with no change in attraction. Some of the participants who failed felt a sense of shame and had gone through conversion therapy programs for many years. Others who failed believed that therapy was worthwhile and valuable.

Shidlo and Schroeder also reported that many respondents were harmed by the attempt to change. Of the 8 respondents (out of a sample of 202) who reported a change in sexual orientation, 7 worked as ex-gay counselors or group leaders.

In other words the only people claiming that homosexuality can be changed are those making money off the claim.
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WTF difference does it make if its a choice or genetic? this is a free country, right? the only thing you've got to justify your bigotry is your perverted view of christianity- which the constitution clearly provides me the right to be FREE FROM.
you haven't posted a single shred of scientific evidence to back up what you've said. furthermore, you can't post but a few out-of-context scriptures to back it up- to which i could respond tenfold in scripture to justify my belief that christ loves us ALL and exhorted his followers to refrain from judgement and condemnation.

if you don't have anything but an opinion to spew, STFU
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It does make a difference because if it is not genetic(which science cannot prove) then it is a choice and not normal. So if people cannot back up that homosexuality is not genetic then they are only spouting opinions. So far it comes down to choice but the media and rabid homosexuals are trying to say what they are doing is normal and forcing their opinions on the general pubic through media and even the education system. That is where there is a problem. You want to live an immoral life then fine. But keep it behind closed doors and out of TV, movies and children's classrooms etc.
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SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GENETIC!!!

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Remember, every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations. The only groups disputing this are a few discredited sects within christianity and islam.

What you say it true though. If homosexuality is genetic then how can christians justify pushing bible based hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. If god created homosexuality how can he turn around and condemn homosexuals to death.
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Not proven...at all! They cannot reproduce the 'so called' gene...FAIL
[link to www.narth.com]
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THIS^^^
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It does make a difference because if it is not genetic(which science cannot prove) then it is a choice and not normal. So if people cannot back up that homosexuality is not genetic then they are only spouting opinions. So far it comes down to choice but the media and rabid homosexuals are trying to say what they are doing is normal and forcing their opinions on the general pubic through media and even the education system. That is where there is a problem. You want to live an immoral life then fine. But keep it behind closed doors and out of TV, movies and children's classrooms etc.
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SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GENETIC!!!

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Remember, every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations. The only groups disputing this are a few discredited sects within christianity and islam.

What you say it true though. If homosexuality is genetic then how can christians justify pushing bible based hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. If god created homosexuality how can he turn around and condemn homosexuals to death.
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Not proven...at all! They cannot reproduce the 'so called' gene...FAIL
[link to www.narth.com]
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THIS^^^
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GENETIC!!!

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Remember, every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations. The only groups disputing this are a few discredited sects within christianity and islam.

What you say it true though. If homosexuality is genetic then how can christians justify pushing bible based hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. If god created homosexuality how can he turn around and condemn homosexuals to death.
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Not proven...at all! They cannot reproduce the 'so called' gene...FAIL
[link to www.narth.com]
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


THIS^^^
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GENETIC!!!

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Remember, every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations. The only groups disputing this are a few discredited sects within christianity and islam.

What you say it true though. If homosexuality is genetic then how can christians justify pushing bible based hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. If god created homosexuality how can he turn around and condemn homosexuals to death.
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Not proven...at all! They cannot reproduce the 'so called' gene...FAIL
[link to www.narth.com]
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


THIS^^^
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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Not proven...at all! They cannot reproduce the 'so called' gene...FAIL
[link to www.narth.com]
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THIS^^^
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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Link please?
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THIS^^^
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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Link please?
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Here is the link to the study that shows homosexuality is a genetic trait. Like skin color, homosexuality is a genetic trait that cannot be changed.

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Since homosexuality is a genetic trait it bring up the question as to why god would create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death.
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Not proven...at all! They cannot reproduce the 'so called' gene...FAIL
[link to www.narth.com]
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THIS^^^
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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No it hasn't. What about traits linked to illness?. Can be changed or not ?.
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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Link please?
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Here is the link to the study that shows homosexuality is a genetic trait. Like skin color, homosexuality is a genetic trait that cannot be changed.

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Since homosexuality is a genetic trait it bring up the question as to why god would create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death.
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You are obsessed with that link . Give us something meaty.
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I just want to point out that you are an idiot and are spouting bigoted bull$hit.

Shut the f$#^ up before spreading more hate to the world. I don't care if you're trolling. This is hateful and uncalled for.
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Care to logically and reasonably counter what i am saying? If not your the troll, btw, i don't hate homosexuals, i hate homosexuality, big difference.
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Where do I begin?

I know hundreds of gay people. I can only think of a handful of people who are driven or controlled by their lusts like you so "intelligently" claim.

Rather, most are driven by what everyone else is driven by. Their careers. Their artistic goals and talents. Music. FAITH- many lesbian and gay people I know are among the deepest spiritual people I know, because they've had to reconcile all the crap society throws at them. They have become among the most selfless, wise people I know.

As for the children thing:
1. Scientific studies show children growing up in healthy gay households are well-adjusted and there is no more likelihood of those children being lesbian or gay themselves. It is equal to the rest of the population.

2. Pedophilia is less prevalent in the gay community than the straight community.

3. Hatred toward people different than yourself is often masked with "reason." If you feel you have to justify how you feel about gay people with pseudo-science (which there is plenty of), I challenge you to make some friends. Befriend people who love themselves for who they are.

Meet some not-self-hating, fully self-accepting gay people. There are plenty of people in poor mental health who will tell you there's the possibility of "change." There's not.

... educate yourself. Talk to gay people. Don't just go on spouting this stuff.

Like I said, I know hundreds of gay people-- most of them are more spiritually grounded than the straight people I know, because they have had to be. They've had to learn to be spiritual and wise in the face off all the crap they've dealt with in their lives telling them they're "less than" or "lusty" or nonspiritual.

Get it now? Sorry if I'm overly insulting, but I cannot tolerate ignorant bs. I hope you understand.
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I'd like to ask why discovering gay gene would even be necessary. Does knowing there's a "gene" change our commitment to love and accept people different than ourselves?

Is God's mandate to love and accept someone dependent on "proof" when a person who is constantly attacked by religion says, "God made me this way!"

Is it our place to judge if that person was REALLY made that way by God if they are healthy, happy, and whole?

What if that person's whole life and reason for saying "God made me this way" is based around love, and love for another?

Well, that love and the defense of that love is the case for LGBT people. I actually think it would be a bad thing if a "gay gene" were conclusively proven, because then all the biased religious people will start looking for a physical cure or a way to change it-- they'll treat it like a genetic flaw rather than the amazing gift that love really is.

You have to accept that healthy lesbian and gay people will tell you they are healthy and happy in a same-gender relationship, genes or not. Listen. Love. Accept.

Why should a gene make the difference between you accepting them and spreading mistrust about them?

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But, this isn't about accepting or not is it? It's about the imperialism exerted by Christianity. The kind of Christianity that is being talked about here is the kind that expects people to conform to one interpretation and image of what's beautiful, good, and right.

Fortunately for the world, there are many interpretations of what is good, beautiful, and right. Black is beautiful. Orange is beautiful. Gay is beautiful. Cross-dressing is beautiful. White is beautiful. Poor is beautiful. Rich is beautiful. Disabled is beautiful. Blind is beautiful. Mentally handicapped is beautiful.

All people are beautiful.

To say they're not, and to say that they have to live up to your expectations of right and beauty is to "imperialize" them. It's to subject them to your will, your understanding, and your vision of God.

My vision of God is much more open to the diversity and beauty of the world, and I invite you to see God in that vast, colorful rainbow as well.

God is in the rainbow. God is diverse, and is the gay person, the black person, the Muslim, and the jewish... And, even the Christian who needs to see beyond their own self-replication.

Basic psychology will say that one of the most basic healthy attitudes is, "I'm okay, you're okay." The attitude of spiritually destructive religion today says,"I'm okay, you're oot okay."

If God only loves people who look, act, feel, and believe the same, then God hates the people of the world.

Instead, God loves the world. :)

God loves you.

Gay is beautiful.

Thank you.

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I'd like to ask why a gay gene would even necessary. Does knowing there's a "gene" change our commitment to love and accept people different than ourselves?

Is God's mandate to love and accept someone dependent on "proof" when a person who is constantly attacked by religion says, "God made me this way!"

Is it our place to judge if that person was REALLY made that way by God if they are healthy, happy, and whole?

What if that person's whole life and reason for saying "God made me this way" is based around love, and love for another?

Well, that love and the defense of that love is the case for LGBT people. I actually think it would be a bad thing if a "gay gene" were conclusively proven, because then all the biased religious people will start looking for a physical cure or a way to change it-- they'll treat it like a genetic flaw rather than the amazing gift that love really is.

You have to accept that healthy lesbian and gay people will tell you they are healthy and happy in a same-gender relationship, genes or not. Listen. Love. Accept.

Why should a gene make the difference between you accepting them and spreading mistrust about them?

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But, this isn't about accepting or not is it? It's about the imperialism exerted by Christianity. The kind of Christianity that is being talked about here is the kind that expects people to conform to one interpretation and image of what's beautiful, good, and right.

Fortunately for the world, there are many interpretations of what is good, beautiful, and right. Black is beautiful. Orange is beautiful. Gay is beautiful. Cross-dressing is beautiful. White is beautiful. Poor is beautiful. Rich is beautiful. Disabled is beautiful. Blind is beautiful. Mentally handicapped is beautiful.

All people are beautiful.

To say they're not, and to say that they have to live up to your expectations of right and beauty is to "imperialize" them. It's to subject them to your will, your understanding, and your vision of God.

My vision of God is much more open to the diversity and beauty of the world, and I invite you to see God in that vast, colorful rainbow as well.

God is in the rainbow. God is diverse, and is the gay person, the black person, the Muslim, and the jewish... And, even the Christian who needs to see beyond their own self-replication.

Basic psychology will say that one of the most basic healthy attitudes is, "I'm okay, you're okay." The attitude of spiritually destructive religion today says,"I'm okay, you're oot okay."

If God only loves people who look, act, feel, and believe the same, then God hates the people of the world.

God loves the world. :)

God loves you.

Gay is beautiful.

Thank you.
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I can love people but I don't have to accept their behavior as normal.
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exactly. they have a choice. live the gay lifestyle or not.
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NARTH is a religious group formed by Focus on the Family. It purpose is to justify christian hatred against Gay and Lesbian Americans. Exodus International was also a group formed by Focus on the Family. That ministry has recently came out and said that gays are born gay and homosexuality cannot be changed.

Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations.

Science has shown that homosexuality, at least in men, is a genetic trait like skin color and cannot be changed. It is not a lifestyle choice nor a learned behavior.
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Link please?
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Here is the link to the study that shows homosexuality is a genetic trait. Like skin color, homosexuality is a genetic trait that cannot be changed.

[link to www.medicaldaily.com]

Since homosexuality is a genetic trait it bring up the question as to why god would create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death.
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Nothing scientific in that article.....all hypotheses and conjecture.
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I can love people but I don't have to accept their behavior as normal.
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That's true-- you don't have to accept anybody as normal you don't want to-- even when the best psychological minds in the world think gay is normal.

BUT-- those same minds will say the attitude of "I'm okay, you're not okay" is mentally ill.

I say this for your edification, because religion can spread very, very unhealthy attitudes toward others.

It was used the same way to justify slavery and the superiority of the white race for centuries.

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I'd like to ask why a gay gene would even necessary. Does knowing there's a "gene" change our commitment to love and accept people different than ourselves?

Is God's mandate to love and accept someone dependent on "proof" when a person who is constantly attacked by religion says, "God made me this way!"

Is it our place to judge if that person was REALLY made that way by God if they are healthy, happy, and whole?

What if that person's whole life and reason for saying "God made me this way" is based around love, and love for another?

Well, that love and the defense of that love is the case for LGBT people. I actually think it would be a bad thing if a "gay gene" were conclusively proven, because then all the biased religious people will start looking for a physical cure or a way to change it-- they'll treat it like a genetic flaw rather than the amazing gift that love really is.

You have to accept that healthy lesbian and gay people will tell you they are healthy and happy in a same-gender relationship, genes or not. Listen. Love. Accept.

Why should a gene make the difference between you accepting them and spreading mistrust about them?

------------

But, this isn't about accepting or not is it? It's about the imperialism exerted by Christianity. The kind of Christianity that is being talked about here is the kind that expects people to conform to one interpretation and image of what's beautiful, good, and right.

Fortunately for the world, there are many interpretations of what is good, beautiful, and right. Black is beautiful. Orange is beautiful. Gay is beautiful. Cross-dressing is beautiful. White is beautiful. Poor is beautiful. Rich is beautiful. Disabled is beautiful. Blind is beautiful. Mentally handicapped is beautiful.

All people are beautiful.

To say they're not, and to say that they have to live up to your expectations of right and beauty is to "imperialize" them. It's to subject them to your will, your understanding, and your vision of God.

My vision of God is much more open to the diversity and beauty of the world, and I invite you to see God in that vast, colorful rainbow as well.

God is in the rainbow. God is diverse, and is the gay person, the black person, the Muslim, and the jewish... And, even the Christian who needs to see beyond their own self-replication.

Basic psychology will say that one of the most basic healthy attitudes is, "I'm okay, you're okay." The attitude of spiritually destructive religion today says,"I'm okay, you're oot okay."

If God only loves people who look, act, feel, and believe the same, then God hates the people of the world.

God loves the world. :)

God loves you.

Gay is beautiful.

Thank you.
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I can love people but I don't have to accept their behavior as normal.
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^^^^^

My sentiments EXACTLYhf
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I can love people but I don't have to accept their behavior as normal.
^^^^^
My sentiments EXACTLYhf
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I have a confession to make. I'm a Christian who used to believe homosexuality was a sin.

I preached it on the street corners, and I wrote about it on the Internet. I told people "there is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death."

I knew every scripture to pull out, every right thing to say, and every stone to upturn.

And you know what? I was wrong.

I realized that all I was doing was trying to recreate my own image of what the world was supposed to look like. I re-examined the scriptures, and found that if you look deeply enough into the heart of God, there really is no condemnation.

I learned: As much as I was not loving people, I was not loving God. As much as I denied myself the ability to see the beauty in others, I lacked compassion and would not allow myself to receive the love of God.

I'm not saying this as somebody superior. I'm saying this as somebody with experience with love and compassion who knows I was incomplete before.

I really did hate, but I didn't think it was hate. I thought it was the justifiable love of God being expressed through saving people from Hell.

Well, I was wrong. I was so wrong.

And eventually, I realized the source of all the fighting, preaching and pain was because I'm gay myself. It was painful. I hated myself, and thought God had abandoned me to feel these feelings... But as time went on God revealed to me that my life was created as beautifully as anyone else's.

My coming out to myself led to other revelations from God-- people of other faiths aren't going to Hell, nor are they deceived. God has just revealed him/herself in a different way to these people, and as much as I accept them I am accepting myself.

I am a better, more compassionate, more complete person than I ever was before, because I was able to accept others, and then see God's plan for my life, and then accept even more people.

Compassion and understanding grows. :) It heals.

I opened my eyes, and now I see. :) And God IS BEAUTIFUL!


--FireSpirit, a former Fundamentalist Christian who, like Saul on the road, changed.

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Compassion is only te beginning, friend. True love points people to Christ....in all honesty
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I can love people but I don't have to accept their behavior as normal.
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That's true-- you don't have to accept anybody as normal you don't want to-- even when the best psychological minds in the world think gay is normal.

BUT-- those same minds will say the attitude of "I'm okay, you're not okay" is mentally ill.

I say this for your edification, because religion can spread very, very unhealthy attitudes toward others.

It was used the same way to justify slavery and the superiority of the white race for centuries.
 Quoting: FireSpirit


I don't have the I'm okay and you are not attitude because I don't know people's hearts. But I can have the I am okay but I am not going to accept your behavior attitude. Nothing wrong with that.
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Yes, because gay people procreate and have gay children.. You are sooo infantile! Pathetic excuse for an 'enlightened' individual if you will.

Because parents who have 50 baby daddies are soooo superior to gay parents.. gay parents who must really THINK about having children and loving them and not just by accident.

I am soooo sick of the homophobia on this board. F u homophobes.
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Bah, A bunch of researchers read some data and made up the gay gene to get further fundings. I don't know of any prominent population geneticists or evolutionary geneticists who expect to find a 'gay gene'. It would be bad for a biologist career if he calls it a load of poo,Get the drift ;).
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Or...they actually found it. It is a peer reviewed study. If they science isn't there then it will be shown as fraudulent. Science can only prove what actually exists. Most geneticists I listen to fully expect this research to be proven out.

Homosexuality in men at least is a genetic trait.

That being the case we have to ask what god was thinking when he created homosexuality then turned around and condemned homosexuals to death.
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That is why God didn't create homosexuality because He condemns it. Humans have chosen to live in deviant ways. But we do have the choice to stop the behavior/s even though it takes a fight to do it.
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But god or nature did create homosexuality. Science has proven this out. Why did god create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death?
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Or, DUH, your 'god' doesnt and NEVER existed in the first place.. Damn, amazing how SCIENCE works.
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Yes, because gay people procreate and have gay children.. You are sooo infantile! Pathetic excuse for an 'enlightened' individual if you will.

Because parents who have 50 baby daddies are soooo superior to gay parents.. gay parents who must really THINK about having children and loving them and not just by accident.

I am soooo sick of the homophobia on this board. F u homophobes.
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The people who have these baby daddy's are living an immoral life and are most likely liars and cheats. They are no better than others who are living immoral lives.

And I am no homophobe because I am not afraid of gays or anyone living immoral lifestyles. Not condoning certain behaviors is much different than being afraid of certain behaviors.
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Or...they actually found it. It is a peer reviewed study. If they science isn't there then it will be shown as fraudulent. Science can only prove what actually exists. Most geneticists I listen to fully expect this research to be proven out.

Homosexuality in men at least is a genetic trait.

That being the case we have to ask what god was thinking when he created homosexuality then turned around and condemned homosexuals to death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14493050


That is why God didn't create homosexuality because He condemns it. Humans have chosen to live in deviant ways. But we do have the choice to stop the behavior/s even though it takes a fight to do it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


But god or nature did create homosexuality. Science has proven this out. Why did god create homosexuality then condemn homosexuals to death?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14493050


Or, DUH, your 'god' doesnt and NEVER existed in the first place.. Damn, amazing how SCIENCE works.
 Quoting: Illuminati Sckott 18511727


So you can say for a fact that spirit beings do not exist? Just because something doesn't have a physical body doesn't mean they aren't real. We just didn't show up on this planet on our own.

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